Master P's shoes

[Big10]

I'm having second thoughts. Okay, like everybody else, I originally thought that he should wear "ballroom" shoes for the DWTS show. But then he seemed sincere when he talked about how they're his "lucky" shoes and he's most comfortable in them. I started thinking some more.....and now I think he should wear whatever shoes he wants, if that's how he best moves. Yes, his dancing sucks, so why not just judge him on his technique and leave it at that?

As I understand it, the judging is supposed to be purely on dance ability, not clothing or physical appearance. I understand that certain clothing can have the effect of enhancing the appearance of certain movements, but the style of a man's shoe won't really do much for that. And, as long as pivots/spins are not a big part of the choreography, then sneakers won't slow him down in any practical sense -- and they would actually improve his traction if he's scared of falling on the television stage.

I don't think the "basketball court vs. ballroom floor" comparison raised by Len is truly accurate either. There are practical/safety reasons why someone wouldn't wear hard-soled shoes on a basketball court, which don't come into play for ballroom dancing.

So, does anybody else share my view?

(If it makes a difference, I like some ballroom dancing, but I'll confess that I'm turned off by the fake-tan-plastic-smile-overemphasis-on-appearance aspect of it. The constant harping on Master P's shoes seems to be another example of that to me.)

[alemana]

shoes are not an aesthetic choice. they are a functional choice, and the basketball analogy was a very good one.

of course there is also a 'respect for the rules of the game' argument. that has been put into play in basketball this year as well, where too-long shorts (which have very little functional purpose - they wear them that way to look cool) were banned because they looked too sloppy (or 'ghetto,' arguably.)

so even in sports, certain clothing choices, even when there are no functional ramifications, are not allowed.

[alemana]

i agree that the focus on the shoes has become somewhat totemic. the producers' choice to focus on that is certainly part and parcel of the general trend to construct a villain.

but shoes are the #1 tool of the ballroom dancer. they are not an accessory first, or a fashion choice first, they are a tool first. so when somebody refuses to take up that tool, while claiming that he does in fact want to build the house, it rankles a little.

[Big10]

shoes are not an aesthetic choice. they are a functional choice, and the basketball analogy was a very good one.
Then what's the "functional" improvement of hard-soled ballroom shoes over sneakers?

Master P's shoes are much closer to the dance sneakers that many (most?) high-level dancers wear when they are practicing and trying to perfect their moves.

[alemana]

are you asking me (because i'm not sure) how it is that dancing in dancing shoes is better/easier than dancing in sneakers??

[Another Elizabeth]

If I were Ashly (and I were coming back next week), the next thing I would try would be to get him to put suede on the soles of the sneakers.

[Porfirio Landeros]

Then what's the "functional" improvement of hard-soled ballroom shoes over sneakers?

Master P's shoes are much closer to the dance sneakers that many (most?) high-level dancers wear when they are practicing and trying to perfect their moves.
I wouldn't call ballroom dance shoes hard-soled... actually, they're usually soft enough to feel the floor through them, and allow you to point. When I hear hard-sole, I think of traditional men's dress shoes that have the thick/hard leather bottoms.

Sneakers are sticky, and when you see high level dancers wearing them, it's probably one of the following: they're Latin dancers, they've been on their feet all day but they want to keep dancing in comfy shoes, or they don't want to focus on standard/smooth footwork.

I find it virtually impossible to do good heel leads in dance sneakers, but maybe that's just me.

[africana]

for some reason this show doesn't hold my interest for long, but big10 i agree with all your arguments re "just let him be", because I caught the part of the show where he explains his motivation for doing the program ("for the kids")
granted he didn't seem happy to be there but that's good enough lol, let him be

btw, resoling his lucky shoes seems like a common-sensical idea!

[Big10]

are you asking me (because i'm not sure) how it is that dancing in dancing shoes is better/easier than dancing in sneakers??
Sort of -- since you made the original declaration about a "functional choice." However, I guess anybody could answer, since I'm genuinely looking for an answer and/or people's opinions.

[alemana]

oh. i think Porfirio explained it well enough.

i wouldn't salsa in flip flops. i wouldn't ballroom dance in sneakers. i wouldn't pick my nose with a hockey stick. i'm sorry, it's just common sense.

[alemana]

the only thing master p is doing "for the kids," sadly, is acting a little bit like a baby.

honestly, i don't want to join the pile-on in P because it is, as i mentioned before, unfortunately saddled with Other Issues that rub me the wrong way. i feel for him on the one hand, and on the other, i honestly believe 99% of this crap is brouhaha for the sake of ratings. honestly, i do.

[Big10]

for some reason this show doesn't hold my interest for long, but big10 i agree with all your arguments re "just let him be", because I caught the part of the show where he explains his motivation for doing the program ("for the kids")
granted he didn't seem happy to be there but that's good enough lol, let him be
Okay, now I'll play devil's advocate, partly against my own point....hee hee. ;) If he's doing to show to demonstrate a "different" avenue for the kids, then it would seem like a good idea to demonstrate that there's a certain level of conformity to "different" standards that is expected, including a style of dress that they're not used to seeing on their streets. He's the CEO of his own multi-million-dollar rap empire (I think he was one of the top 10 celebrity moneymakers in the world a few years ago), so obviously he can wear whatever shoes he wants in his own office. Not everybody has that luxury at work, though. So, when he's on different turf, he should be an example for kids to "do as the Romans do," in a way that doesn't take away his own personality.

Anyway, again, all of those things are superficial concerns. If a person thinks he/she dances the best in whatever shoes, then I still don't see a problem with it, just from that standpoint.

[alemana]

definitely agree that if P were tearing up the floor in his lucky-ass shoes, it wouldn't be an issue.

[DrDoug]

i wouldn't salsa in flip flops. i wouldn't ballroom dance in sneakers. i wouldn't pick my nose with a hockey stick. i'm sorry, it's just common sense.

I wonder what it would do for the ratings if they got Master P to pick his nose with a hockey stick . . . .

[waltzgirl]

I think the point is that he's likely to dance better (at least a little bit) in dance shoes. In dance shoes, his feet would be more in contact with the floor and more flexible. Dance shoes fit more snugly, so the foot doesn't move inside the shoe. All these things would help him be less clunky. Even dance sneakers are snug and have split soles to aid flexibility. I'm sure there is a dance shoe maker who would be happy to custom make him a pair of shoes that functioned like dance shoes but looked more like he wants to look.

He keeps saying that his shoes are "P. Miller shoes." Are they his own line? Maybe sticking to them is a marketing ploy on his part.

[twnkltoz]

Tennis shoes stick. Ballroom shoes are designed to slide, without being too slick. Dance sneakers have soles that slide. Some of his heavy footedness, IMO, would have been solved by proper shoes...particularly important in quickstep.

And, I think he should show respect for the sport by following the dress code. It's not like it was going to cost him money.

[dancesportgirl21]

Picking one's nose with a hockey stick- that is an interesting image! LOL! I don't think that Master P's "doing it for the kids" is to get ratings, but instead to cover up how scared he looks when he's out there- its all a disguise. Before he danced, when they showed him before commercials he looked nauseous to me. Also, I do think he needs to wear ballroom shoes. As someone else said they are the foundation to any dancer, and him throwing the shoes was completely disrespectful- once again out of fear of change I think. I guess another analogie would be to say would Master P take a rapper seriously if he was in a non- rapper clothing style? No, so like Len said, if he doesn't take himself and his dancing seriously, who else will? Unlike the other dancers who are bringing the hardwork up a few notches, P is showing a definite lack of dedication.

[Ithink]

It's not like he'd care if it did cost him money! It's all about being a petulant, stubborn a**hole with him. "I want to do this and this little chick who claims to know what's best for me doesn't know squat" attitude is what he's about. He's disrespectful, rude, obnoxious and dumb as a load of bricks. Doesn't take a genius to repeat the same line about children of Katrina over and over again. It has nothing to do with a suggestion that he conform to the rules of the sport he's participating in and wear its uniform. Does he think 2.5 inch heels are comfortable and lucky for all the ladies to dance in?

If he was doing it to show people in the ghetto that someone can make something out of himself if they try hard enough and work at it, well then he's dumber than I think because with his behavior he's doing just the opposite - he's showing them that being a dimwitted prick is all he's capable of so what hope do they have?!

I know he won't be gone tonight but man, how I wish he was!!

[mamboqueen]

Wow, tell us what you really think, Ithink! *LOL*

(you're right, btw)

[gusmahler]

He keeps saying that his shoes are "P. Miller shoes." Are they his own line? Maybe sticking to them is a marketing ploy on his part.

They are his own line. See, e.g., http://www.shopping.com/xPO-P_Miller_J4_5_Basketball_Shoe_Mens

Surprised me because I thought Jay Z and 50 Cent were the only rappers with their own line of shoes (Reebok S. Carter and Reebok G Unit, respectively).

[fascination]

for the kids on board...ahem...ithink is referring to that which we do when we are sewing with a needle and poke our finger:rolleyes:

[alemana]

He keeps saying that his shoes are "P. Miller shoes." Are they his own line? Maybe sticking to them is a marketing ploy on his part.


BRILLIANT CALL

[discovery]

...He's ...dumb as a load of bricks.

Maybe you are just being figurative here, but I doubt he could do what he has done in his professional life and be "dumb as a load of bricks". The whole thing is interesting to me because on the one hand I can see the offense of what he is doing but on the other hand I appreciate someone doing their own thing despite pressure to conform.

I think it may also be useful--instead of reacting to this man-- to get curious. Why is he doing that? It's interesting. Plus it makes for good TV.

[africana]

Okay, now I'll play devil's advocate, partly against my own point....hee hee. ;) If he's doing to show to demonstrate a "different" avenue for the kids, then it would seem like a good idea to demonstrate that there's a certain level of conformity to "different" standards that is expected, including a style of dress that they're not used to seeing on their streets. He's the CEO of his own multi-million-dollar rap empire (I think he was one of the top 10 celebrity moneymakers in the world a few years ago), so obviously he can wear whatever shoes he wants in his own office. Not everybody has that luxury at work, though. So, when he's on different turf, he should be an example for kids to "do as the Romans do," in a way that doesn't take away his own personality.

Anyway, again, all of those things are superficial concerns. If a person thinks he/she dances the best in whatever shoes, then I still don't see a problem with it, just from that standpoint. the shoe doen't matter nearly as much as his attitude/demeanor, it's like the whole time his face was like "what the hell am i doing on this ridiculous show??" I was wondering the same thing
and then to see him prancing around on TV :lol: seriously it woulda made no difference what shoe he wore or how well he danced, he still woulda looked hilarious doing that skippy looking quickstep :lol:
I know it's not funny to broom types, but just think about those kids in the da hood watching that mess, smply comical :lol:

[Ithink]

I've never been of the opinion that being a successful rapper means you're very intelligent. You're catering to a segment of the population that is very much like yourself thus it would be quite easy to figure out what people like yourself want and give it to them. It takes much more of a genius, IMO, to do what Eminem, for example, is doing - to appeal to a broad spectrum of people with music that isn't typical of someone of his background...

And even if he was a genius, which I may or may not concede, his behavior is idiotic and worthy of the scorn that I expressed. Michael Jackson is truly a musical genius (without whom Master P would probably still be wearing his basketball shoes in the ghetto instead of running a multimillion dollar empire) who's music I adore. Doesn't mean I don't think his relationship with boys, given this society's mores, wasn't idiotic and dumb...

[Big10]

he's showing them that being a dimwitted prick is all he's capable of so what hope do they have?!
"All he's capable of"?

Here are just a couple of Internet articles I found with a quick Google search:

http://www.holeintheweb.com/drp/bhd/HipHop.htm
When his grandfather died Miller inherited $10,000 and used it in 1989 to open a rap record store, No Limit Records, in Richmond. A smart entrepreneur, he has, as Master P, parlayed this by the young age of 29 into a $361 million fortune, earning $57 million in 1998 alone.

http://tgorski.com/Adolescents/UYC-understanding_youth_culture/pg7.asp
Rapper Master P (Percy Miller) grew up in what he terms a "ghetto" in New Orleans, Louisiana. Relying mostly on word of mouth promotion and underground publicity, he started No Limit Records, a hiphop record store that evolved into an independent rap label. He released his first solo album in 1991, The Ghetto Is Tryin' to Kill Me, which became an underground hit. He has created a business empire, churning out movies, producing rap albums for various artists he refers to as "soldiers," and maintaining his own performance career. He has also branched out into sports management and tried his hand as a professional basketball player. Earning $56.5 million in 1998, Master P ranked 11 on Forbes magazine's Celebrity 100 and 1 among hip-hop fans who admire his "do it yourself," entrepreneurial, rags-to-riches success story.

It's my understanding that Master P has hit a few financial bumps since then, but apparently he's still very wealthy and accomplished. Plus, like another poster has mentioned, it's starting to look like this shoe "controversy" is a way to promote his personal line of sneakers on national network TV -- without paying the going rates for commercials. I wish I were as dumb as that load of bricks....


I've never been of the opinion that being a successful rapper means you're very intelligent. You're catering to a segment of the population that is very much like yourself thus it would be quite easy to figure out what people like yourself want and give it to them. It takes much more of a genius, IMO, to do what Eminem, for example, is doing - to appeal to a broad spectrum of people with music that isn't typical of someone of his background...
Do you happen to know the ethnic background of the majority of people who plunk down money for rap music?

Just curious. Other than asking that question, I don't think I want to take this thread down that path....

[fascination]

"All he's capable of"?

poster has mentioned, it's starting to look like this shoe "controversy" is a way to promote his personal line of sneakers on national network TV -- without paying the going rates for commercials. I wish I were as dumb as that load of bricks....



Do you happen to know the ethnic background of the majority of people who plunk down money for rap music?

Just curious. Other than asking that question, I don't think I want to take this thread down that path....true...and thank you for not taking us down that road

[SexyMan2Cha]

I wonder how P will react when he gets his fat, lazy ass voted off tonight. I guess ABC will love the attention he creates though. I guess tonight we'll find out how "moral" the producers of the show are. If I was the producer of that show, I would rig the votes if P didn't come in last.

[fascination]

honestly, :rolleyes: you guys have got to get a grip

[Big10]

I wonder how P will react when he gets his fat, lazy ass voted off tonight. I guess ABC will love the attention he creates though. I guess tonight we'll find out how "moral" the producers of the show are. If I was the producer of that show, I would rig the votes if P didn't come in last.
Why would producers want to rig it for him to lose? There is obviously a segment of watchers who want to see him (and Ashly) continue.

The producers don't care about the "purity" of ballroom dancing. They care about ratings and nothing else. That's why the tie-breaker is audience votes, rather than the judges' scores.

[scotttocs]

The producers don't care about the "purity" of ballroom dancing. They care about ratings and nothing else. That's why the tie-breaker is audience votes, rather than the judges' scores.

Actually the tie-breaker is producers opinions. If you read the stuff (at least last season) The producers reserve the right to adjust results for any reason.

[Big10]

Actually the tie-breaker is producers opinions. If you read the stuff (at least last season) The producers reserve the right to adjust results for any reason.
Link?

I've never heard that. Perhaps a competitor/couple could do something to get disqualified, but the show would lose total integrity if final results simply could be "adjusted" on a whim.

Every announcement I've heard is that if there's a tie between the rankings after the judges' votes and the ranking after the viewers' votes, then the tie-breaker is the couple who received more viewer votes. If you're talking about breaking an identical tie in both the judges' votes and the absolute number of viewers' votes (given the millions of people watching), then the probability of that scenario is about as close to zero as I could imagine.

[scotttocs]

Link?

I've never heard that. Perhaps a competitor/couple could do something to get disqualified, but the show would lose total integrity if final results simply could be "adjusted" on a whim.

I'm not finding one now, but I'm fairly sure I saw that at one point last season. I'd be happy to be wrong. (any may just be too damned cynical)

[DanceMentor]

I wonder if Supadance or International will come out with a model called the "Master P" should he win DWTS. :)
Actually, I believe International has pre-emptively released the P-NO shoe.
(inside shoe joke)

[Ithink]

"All he's capable of"?

Here are just a couple of Internet articles I found with a quick Google search:

http://www.holeintheweb.com/drp/bhd/HipHop.htm


http://tgorski.com/Adolescents/UYC-understanding_youth_culture/pg7.asp


It's my understanding that Master P has hit a few financial bumps since then, but apparently he's still very wealthy and accomplished. Plus, like another poster has mentioned, it's starting to look like this shoe "controversy" is a way to promote his personal line of sneakers on national network TV -- without paying the going rates for commercials. I wish I were as dumb as that load of bricks....



Do you happen to know the ethnic background of the majority of people who plunk down money for rap music?

Just curious. Other than asking that question, I don't think I want to take this thread down that path....

I wasn't talking ethnic background so that path was largely chosen by you. But even if the oft-repeated "truism" that 70% of consumers who buy rap music are white (yeah, I know something about that little ditty) is accurate, that statistic doesn't say much given that whites constitute a large majority of the general population... But anyway, that's not what I was saying.

I think music made by Master P caters to a certain mindset (read: NOT necessarily ethnic background) which is fairly easy to cater to if you have the same mindset...

Impressive as P's quoted credentials sound, it doesn't make any difference to me. I see what I see on TV - him acting like a stupid prick. Whether it's staged or not, it's still pretty damn apparent...

But be happy: the prick survives to annoy us all another week! POOR ASHLEY!

[Big10]

... But anyway, that's not what I was saying.

I think music made by Master P caters to a certain mindset (read: NOT necessarily ethnic background) which is fairly easy to cater to if you have the same mindset...
What kind of "mindset" is that? The kind that repeatedly tosses around the word "prick" in a place where others are attempting to converse civilly? Anyway, if I take you at face value on your explanation, then I guess I'll just remain confused about your original use of Eminem as a contrast to P's "background." Eminem didn't exactly go to private school and get a graduate degree, either....

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20021125&s=diarist112502
Though his given name, Marshall Mathers III, sounds dangerously well-heeled, the details of Eminem's upbringing are more than sufficiently hardscrabble. He was born to a single teenage mother on welfare. His father left when he was baby. He dropped out of high school after failing ninth grade three times, and he fathered a child out of wedlock.


Impressive as P's quoted credentials sound, it doesn't make any difference to me. I see what I see on TV - him acting like a stupid prick. Whether it's staged or not, it's still pretty damn apparent...

But be happy: the prick survives to annoy us all another week! POOR ASHLEY!
Actually, Ashly seems to be having fun as far as I can tell, and she had a pretty nice smile when it was revealed that she and P would continue for another week. I must admit, though, that I am happy for both of them and a bit entertained at how deeply enraged some observers seem to be getting over this whole shoe issue. :cool:

[fascination]

lets please stop with this choice of language...it is inflammatory and offensive and there are better ways to convey the same sentiment....thanks

[star_gazer]

I my isolated little world (Utah…home of Ashley and Andrea) we get kids into ballroom as a fun way to promote, among other things, manners and sportsmanship. Master P’s little temper tantrum when Ashley gave him the shoes is the opposite of that. He just acts like a spoiled brat.

[Big10]

I my isolated little world (Utah…home of Ashley and Andrea) we get kids into ballroom as a fun way to promote, among other things, manners and sportsmanship. Master P’s little temper tantrum when Ashley gave him the shoes is the opposite of that. He just acts like a spoiled brat.
Did everybody perceive that as true anger? :confused: I thought he was just playing around and overacting. She knew anyway that he didn't want to want to wear the shoes, which is why she tried to do it in the form of a "gift." The whole setup for it was very artificial anyway, with the TV cameras rolling and her presenting the gift to him in the middle of their practice floor. Who in here did not know that a pair of shoes were in that box even before he opened it? :rolleyes: Many people got a bad (and surprisingly hostile) impression from him at the beginning, and now they see what they want to see in his actions. Just my opinion.

Ashly seems very comfortable and playful around him, and I can't imagine that she would continue to be that way if she really thought she was working with a tyrant.

[star_gazer]

Did everybody perceive that as true anger? :confused: I thought he was just playing around and overacting. She knew anyway that he didn't want to want to wear the shoes, which is why she tried to do it in the form of a "gift." The whole setup for it was very artificial anyway... Well the whole thing is pretty artificial so that's okay. It just looked bad to see some guy kicking around a new pair of shoes someone just gave him. I was not in analysis mode..just casually watching...kind of caught me off-guard. Maybe if I watched it again more carefully I would catch the joke.

Many people got a bad (and surprisingly hostile) impression from him at the beginning, and now they see what they want to see in his actions. What I want to see is the best in people. But that's not the purpose of reality TV is it.

Ashly seems very comfortable and playful around him, and I can't imagine that she would continue to be that way if she really thought she was working with a tyrant. Ashley appears to be making the best of the situation. IMO she doesn't look very happy.

[DancingMommy]

Before reading the entire thread....

If he wants to torque a knee and get MAJORLY and maybe permanently injured, let him have at it. Maybe then he and George Hamilton will be on an equal playing field... err... court... But B-ball shoes are too darn sticky on a hardwood floor to be practical when ballroom dancing. There's a freaking reason the soles of ballroomn shoes are suede.

Now if he wants to chrome some B-ball shoes, go for it. I'm all for bucking the appearance establishment, but do it SAFELY please.

[DancingMommy]

Then what's the "functional" improvement of hard-soled ballroom shoes over sneakers?

Master P's shoes are much closer to the dance sneakers that many (most?) high-level dancers wear when they are practicing and trying to perfect their moves.

Actually, the sole surface of dancesneakers is very different from B-ball sneaks. It's a different material entirely even if it looks the same. B-ball shoes are designed to stick to the floor and give traction while dancesneaks/ballroom shoes are designed for maximum spin/mobility/smooth movement.

[mamboqueen]

I was thinking the same thing, DM. With his weight on that knee...it could be ugly.

[DancingMommy]

I was thinking the same thing, DM. With his weight on that knee...it could be ugly.

But hey... Maybe he can market a new knee brace when he blows his knee out *dancing* rather than playing B-ball. :eyeroll:

[Big10]

Actually, the sole surface of dancesneakers is very different from B-ball sneaks. It's a different material entirely even if it looks the same. B-ball shoes are designed to stick to the floor and give traction while dancesneaks/ballroom shoes are designed for maximum spin/mobility/smooth movement.
Ashly is realistic, and there's no way she would choreograph anything for Master P that would require him to do multiple spins. Anyway, I did acknowledge the pro's and cons of basketball shoes in my very opening post to this thread:
And, as long as pivots/spins are not a big part of the choreography, then sneakers won't slow him down in any practical sense -- and they would actually improve his traction if he's scared of falling on the television stage.
Indeed, I own a pair of "basketball" shoes that I will occasionally use for dance practices, myself, when I know that spins are not going to be involved. They are very comfortable and the tread on some brands of basketball shoes isn't as "sticky" as others. I also own a pair of dance sneakers that are at least a half-size too small (even though they were the largest available in the store), so I know how difficult it would be for Master P to find a pair of dance sneakers (or other ballroom shoes) in his size. If I recall correctly, he's somewhere between 6'3" to 6'5" tall, and I'm sure his feet are proportionate.

I definitely can accept the points about shoe functions if we're talking about moves for intermediate-to-high level dancers. But this TV show isn't about that. People may also have differences of opinion whether the shoe issue is a sign of disrespect, or just a marketing ploy, or something else. However, in light of the relatively basic movements that any of the male dancers on the show will be asked to make, do you still believe that ballroom shoes will make much of a difference in the quality of Master P's actual dancing?

[Joe]

Only if he gets an attitude adjustment to go along with them.

[Joe]

Oh, and I could swear that the shoes Ashly gave him weren't real ballroom shoes--they looked like just a pair of street shoes, but I could be wrong.

[DancingMommy]

I also own a pair of dance sneakers that are at least a half-size too small (even though they were the largest available in the store), so I know how difficult it would be for Master P to find a pair of dance sneakers (or other ballroom shoes) in his size. If I recall correctly, he's somewhere between 6'3" to 6'5" tall, and I'm sure his feet are proportionate.

You must be kidding me. Our coach is approching 6'4" and HE can find dance sneakers AND appropriate shoes... So I don't think it's a matter of not being able to get shoes that fit....

And as far as spins go, it's not so much about spins.... A crossover break can be MURDER on the knees if you aren't wearing decent shoes. Body goes one way, knees go the other... OUCH!

Or Quickstep... Getting one's feet stuck to the floor and not being able to step quickly... Or Foxtrot/Waltz.... How can one get a decent basic together with one's feet sticking to the floor? ARGH.

And being able to *feel* the floor. Not possible in B-ball/thich soled shoes. Lack of control, etc. So do I think his actual dancing would improve with "real" dancing shoes.... ABSOFREAKINGLUTELY.

[Big10]

You must be kidding me. Our coach is approching 6'4" and HE can find dance sneakers AND appropriate shoes... So I don't think it's a matter of not being able to get shoes that fit....
I don't know what size feet your coach has, but I can guarantee you that it's not "easy" to find dance-related shoewear for tall guys. Depending on the make of shoe, I wear a 12 or 13 in "normal" shoes, and my options are extremely limited when it comes to dance shoes. Companies seem to have gotten better in the last year or so but, again, the options are limited. I'm sure Master P could afford some custom-made shoes, but why go through all that trouble?

And as far as spins go, it's not so much about spins.... A crossover break can be MURDER on the knees if you aren't wearing decent shoes. Body goes one way, knees go the other... OUCH!

Or Quickstep... Getting one's feet stuck to the floor and not being able to step quickly... Or Foxtrot/Waltz.... How can one get a decent basic together with one's feet sticking to the floor? ARGH.

And being able to *feel* the floor. Not possible in B-ball/thich soled shoes. Lack of control, etc. So do I think his actual dancing would improve with "real" dancing shoes.... ABSOFREAKINGLUTELY.
"Not possible" in basketball shoes? You do realize, don't you, that a basketball court is a smooth hardwood surface kinda like a....uhh.....ballroom floor? Huge basketball players pivot and make quick moves all the time on hardwood floors, and top-of-the-line basketball shoes are designed to help them do so. Of course, multiple spins and sophisticated dance moves aren't involved in basketball -- but neither are they involved in the choreography for Master P.

Anyway, we may just have to agree to disagree on this point. I do appreciate your opinions on the topic, though, as well as those of anyone else who chooses to chime in.

[Ithink]

My partner is 6'3" and I believe he has size 13 street shoe. I haven't heard him complain about lack of shoe options... And if my partner can get shoes, then MP can sure get them too. Too bad he doesn't respect the sport he's attempting to follow this simple convention.

[Big10]

Too bad he doesn't respect the sport he's attempting to follow this simple convention.
There's a difference between a "convention" and a requirement. Obviously, the producers wouldn't allow him on the show if he refused to abide by a true requirement.

If he stays within the rules, albeit outside the "convention," then there shouldn't be such an uproar, in my mind. Why is individuality so deeply scorned?

[saludas]

If he stays within the rules, albeit outside the "convention," then there shouldn't be such an uproar, in my mind. Why is individuality so deeply scorned?

Because this is a DANCE forum, not a reality show popularity forum, and the comments made here pertain to dance.

If someone came to your job, wore the wrong uniform, and made light of your job (by refusing to even TRY to do a good job) and then asked for your salary, would you smile and call him an individual or take offense?

The DANCERS here see Master P as a 'poseur' who is mocking their world. When someone gets to stay on a 'dance contest' show based upon callin popularity rather than dance ability, it is a slap in the face to the real dancers and the people who are really trying, so yes, this 'individuality' is scorned.

[Purr]

It's not like he'd care if it did cost him money! It's all about being a petulant, stubborn a**hole with him. "I want to do this and this little chick who claims to know what's best for me doesn't know squat" attitude is what he's about. He's disrespectful, rude, obnoxious and dumb as a load of bricks. Doesn't take a genius to repeat the same line about children of Katrina over and over again. It has nothing to do with a suggestion that he conform to the rules of the sport he's participating in and wear its uniform. Does he think 2.5 inch heels are comfortable and lucky for all the ladies to dance in?

If he was doing it to show people in the ghetto that someone can make something out of himself if they try hard enough and work at it, well then he's dumber than I think because with his behavior he's doing just the opposite - he's showing them that being a dimwitted prick is all he's capable of so what hope do they have?!

I know he won't be gone tonight but man, how I wish he was!!

I couldn't have writen it better myself.

[Purr]

Ashly seems very comfortable and playful around him, and I can't imagine that she would continue to be that way if she really thought she was working with a tyrant.

Maybe it's making the best of a bad situation.

[mamboqueen]

The DANCERS here see Master P as a 'poseur' who is mocking their world. When someone gets to stay on a 'dance contest' show based upon callin popularity rather than dance ability, it is a slap in the face to the real dancers and the people who are really trying, so yes, this 'individuality' is scorned.


Bingo!

[DancePoet]

the only thing master p is doing "for the kids," sadly, is acting a little bit like a baby.

honestly, i don't want to join the pile-on in P because it is, as i mentioned before, unfortunately saddled with Other Issues that rub me the wrong way. i feel for him on the one hand, and on the other, i honestly believe 99% of this crap is brouhaha for the sake of ratings. honestly, i do.
Ratings? No. :shock: Never. ;)

(DP, now, now, don't be so cynical ... :lol:)

[DancePoet]

It's not like he'd care if it did cost him money! It's all about being a petulant, stubborn a**hole with him. "I want to do this and this little chick who claims to know what's best for me doesn't know squat" attitude is what he's about. He's disrespectful, rude, obnoxious and dumb as a load of bricks. Doesn't take a genius to repeat the same line about children of Katrina over and over again. It has nothing to do with a suggestion that he conform to the rules of the sport he's participating in and wear its uniform. Does he think 2.5 inch heels are comfortable and lucky for all the ladies to dance in?

If he was doing it to show people in the ghetto that someone can make something out of himself if they try hard enough and work at it, well then he's dumber than I think because with his behavior he's doing just the opposite - he's showing them that being a dimwitted prick is all he's capable of so what hope do they have?!

I know he won't be gone tonight but man, how I wish he was!!
It all starts with a positive attitude, and I'm not sure he is demonstrating one, no matter what shoes he is wearing this won't likely change. I wonder whether or not dancing shoes would even help him at this point. ;)

[DancePoet]

They are his own line. See, e.g., http://www.shopping.com/xPO-P_Miller_J4_5_Basketball_Shoe_Mens

Surprised me because I thought Jay Z and 50 Cent were the only rappers with their own line of shoes (Reebok S. Carter and Reebok G Unit, respectively).
Ah! I guess it isn't just for ratings! :lol:

[DancePoet]

Maybe you are just being figurative here, but I doubt he could do what he has done in his professional life and be "dumb as a load of bricks". The whole thing is interesting to me because on the one hand I can see the offense of what he is doing but on the other hand I appreciate someone doing their own thing despite pressure to conform.

I think it may also be useful--instead of reacting to this man-- to get curious. Why is he doing that? It's interesting. Plus it makes for good TV.
Perhaps a little questioning is good for one's soul. :cool:

[DancePoet]

the shoe doen't matter nearly as much as his attitude/demeanor, it's like the whole time his face was like "what the hell am i doing on this ridiculous show??" I was wondering the same thing
and then to see him prancing around on TV :lol: seriously it woulda made no difference what shoe he wore or how well he danced, he still woulda looked hilarious doing that skippy looking quickstep :lol:
I know it's not funny to broom types, but just think about those kids in the da hood watching that mess, smply comical :lol:
Perhaps if he showed them he could dance?

Imagine what that might do for the children in "da hood"?

Sheesh ... it might even start a movement!

[DancePoet]

It is getting harder for me to want to read this thread when I start seeing Master P referred to as a p ... (the rest not posted) ... please let us be careful? Thank you! :D

[DancePoet]

Actually, Ashly seems to be having fun as far as I can tell, and she had a pretty nice smile when it was revealed that she and P would continue for another week. I must admit, though, that I am happy for both of them and a bit entertained at how deeply enraged some observers seem to be getting over this whole shoe issue. :cool:
I don't know ... she could just be providing one of those performance placed smiles we ballroomers use no matter what. ;)

[DancePoet]

lets please stop with this choice of language...it is inflammatory and offensive and there are better ways to convey the same sentiment....thanks
Ah! Looks like you beat me to it ... see what happens when I read all these posts from the beginning? ;) :lol:

[DancePoet]

I my isolated little world (Utah…home of Ashley and Andrea) we get kids into ballroom as a fun way to promote, among other things, manners and sportsmanship. Master P’s little temper tantrum when Ashley gave him the shoes is the opposite of that. He just acts like a spoiled brat.I would say his throwing of the shoes does not set a good example for the children in "da hood". ;)

[DancePoet]

Did everybody perceive that as true anger? :confused: I thought he was just playing around and overacting. She knew anyway that he didn't want to want to wear the shoes, which is why she tried to do it in the form of a "gift." The whole setup for it was very artificial anyway, with the TV cameras rolling and her presenting the gift to him in the middle of their practice floor. Who in here did not know that a pair of shoes were in that box even before he opened it? :rolleyes: Many people got a bad (and surprisingly hostile) impression from him at the beginning, and now they see what they want to see in his actions. Just my opinion.

Ashly seems very comfortable and playful around him, and I can't imagine that she would continue to be that way if she really thought she was working with a tyrant.
Wait ... you mean ... did someone say "ratings" and Master P promoting his shoes? Oh my! This couldnt' be on national T.V.! :shock:

Then again, look what other poor examples of bad behaviour crop up now and again on T.V.

Ayuh, not a good example for the young'uns.

[DancePoet]

Oh, and I could swear that the shoes Ashly gave him weren't real ballroom shoes--they looked like just a pair of street shoes, but I could be wrong.
:lol: Quick ... where is the instant replay in slow mo' when we need it? ;)

[DancePoet]

And as far as spins go, it's not so much about spins.... A crossover break can be MURDER on the knees if you aren't wearing decent shoes. Body goes one way, knees go the other... OUCH!

Or Quickstep... Getting one's feet stuck to the floor and not being able to step quickly... Or Foxtrot/Waltz.... How can one get a decent basic together with one's feet sticking to the floor? ARGH.

And being able to *feel* the floor. Not possible in B-ball/thich soled shoes. Lack of control, etc. So do I think his actual dancing would improve with "real" dancing shoes.... ABSOFREAKINGLUTELY.
Is he suppose to be dancing? That was Quickstep? Hmmm ... looked like skipping down the court to me ... aren't they suppose to run down the court? ;)

(DP, there you go again ... :roll:)

[DancingMommy]

My partner is 6'3" and I believe he has size 13 street shoe. I haven't heard him complain about lack of shoe options... And if my partner can get shoes, then MP can sure get them too. Too bad he doesn't respect the sport he's attempting to follow this simple convention.

And that's exactly what it boils down to. A lack of respect... For the judges, his coach, for himself if you want to get right down to it.

[DancingMommy]

Because this is a DANCE forum, not a reality show popularity forum, and the comments made here pertain to dance.

If someone came to your job, wore the wrong uniform, and made light of your job (by refusing to even TRY to do a good job) and then asked for your salary, would you smile and call him an individual or take offense?

The DANCERS here see Master P as a 'poseur' who is mocking their world. When someone gets to stay on a 'dance contest' show based upon callin popularity rather than dance ability, it is a slap in the face to the real dancers and the people who are really trying, so yes, this 'individuality' is scorned.

Can I say AMEN????

[DancingMommy]

Maybe it's making the best of a bad situation.

There have been many many times when I've had to plaster a smile on my face and just deal with a $#!tty scenario wrt students/lessons. You do what you have to do "on stage" and then you let it all out afterwards in private.

I have to say, that Ashly had the grip of death on MPs arm during the QS. She was literally backleading him where he needed to go.

[DancingMommy]

Is he suppose to be dancing? That was Quickstep? Hmmm ... looked like skipping down the court to me ... aren't they suppose to run down the court? ;)

(DP, there you go again ... :roll:)

True it wasn't QuickSTEP. It was more like SlowSkipThatMakesMyEyeballsBleed.

[DancePoet]

Bingo!
;)

[DancePoet]

And that's exactly what it boils down to. A lack of respect... For the judges, his coach, for himself if you want to get right down to it.
Respect? Isn't that what he's looking for?

Unfortunately, disrespect often doesn't breed respect in return.

[DancePoet]

I have to say, that Ashly had the grip of death on MPs arm during the QS. She was literally backleading him where he needed to go.
Not surprising. That's what happens when you try skipping instead of dancing. At least she seems to be trying.

[DancePoet]

True it wasn't QuickSTEP. It was more like SlowSkipThatMakesMyEyeballsBleed.
:lol:

I suppose it could be considered a modified basketball skip-down-the-court-since-you-are-so-far-ahead-in-the-point-total-if-the-opponents-score-a-few-extra-points-who-cares type of attitude to his quick step.

Yet he seems to be behind in the judges scoring. ;)

[DancingMommy]

:lol:

I suppose it could be considered a modified basketball skip-down-the-court-since-you-are-so-far-ahead-in-the-point-total-if-the-opponents-score-a-few-extra-points-who-cares type of attitude to his quick step.

Yet he seems to be behind in the judges scoring. ;)

Ayuh.

Is it me, or are the celebrities being given leeway with attitude, etc that they would never have been given if they were "ordinary folks"? It seems that way to me...

[mamboqueen]

You know...their very fragile egos can't handle much constructive criticism. They're probably used to being around their usual group of sycophants all day. Tatum is probably back in rehab....

[saludas]

Sorry, but if they were 'ordinary folks' it would still be a proam situation, and therefore their egos and pocketbooks are first consideration.

Everyone went into this with eyes wide open. The 'conflicts' are encouraged - it makes for good entertainment.

The stars go by this dictum: there is no such thing as bad publicity....

[DancePoet]

Ayuh. Back to the ratings and the bucks again. ;) :lol:

[Big10]

Oh, and I could swear that the shoes Ashly gave him weren't real ballroom shoes--they looked like just a pair of street shoes, but I could be wrong.I thought they were street shoes, too. By the way, thank God for Raphael Pungin! I looked at the clips from Week 2 on his website, and luckily he included the entire pre-dance video of Master P and Ashly. She gave him street shoes.

All these quotes I've seen about a "temper tantrum" over the shoes are crazy as well. That same video on Pungin's Blog shows Ashly breaking into a big laugh when Master P drops the shoes to the floor, and Master P is smiling/laughing at the same time, too. Like I said earlier in this thread, that whole incident was just a big joke. Ashly kept joking around with him and was totally playful after the actual routine and even when they received the judges' scores. Are you people watching the same show I'm watching? :?


Because this is a DANCE forum, not a reality show popularity forum, and the comments made here pertain to dance.How high is your horse? What forum are you reading? You must have missed all the current comments about Tony Dovolani's butt, as well as all the swooning last season about Alec's physical features. :roll: This particular sub-forum is EXACTLY about a reality television show, and all the pluses and minuses that go along with it.


If someone came to your job, wore the wrong uniform, and made light of your job (by refusing to even TRY to do a good job) and then asked for your salary, would you smile and call him an individual or take offense?If the boss allowed him to wear a different "uniform" (just like all of the other dancers on the show are free to wear whatever shoes the producers approve) then yes I would call him an individual and not take offense. We also have a difference of opinion on whether Master P is "trying." I think he is trying, but he's just not very good. What's so offensive about that?

By the way, whose salary is Master P taking? I guarantee you that the network executives are extremely happy about the controversy he is generating.


The DANCERS here see Master P as a 'poseur' who is mocking their world. When someone gets to stay on a 'dance contest' show based upon callin popularity rather than dance ability, it is a slap in the face to the real dancers and the people who are really trying, so yes, this 'individuality' is scorned.I'm a "real" dancer, too. :rolleyes: Sorry to break it to you, but the show has NEVER been purely about dance ability. That's why the call-in vote trumps the judges whenever there is a tie. PERIOD. The truth is that the American public would not tune in at even a fraction of the same rate to see even the absolute best ballroom dancers do their stuff during primetime TV, if no celebrities were involved. Just be grateful that ballroom dancing is getting any exposure at all, and you have to take the Master P's of the world as part of your Faustian bargain.

[alemana]

*claps*

[Ralph]

I think the that he should lose the shoes. If those are his lucky shoes, why doesn't he get high marks?
I liked it how George made a little 'spoof' of P. "I'm doing this for my brothers in the hood. Everyone in Beverly Hills and Palm Beach." :lol:

[alemana]

it could be construed that it's his magical shoes ALONE that are keeping him on this show, because lord knows his dancing isn't.

[delamusica]

haha! Good point!

[Ralph]

it could be construed that it's his magical shoes ALONE that are keeping him on this show, because lord knows his dancing isn't.

That's apretty good point.

[alemana]

maybe i'll order a pair of master p magic shooz for my next comp.

ya never know.

[SDsalsaguy]

maybe i'll order a pair of master p magic shooz for my next comp.

ya never know.
:doh: :doh:

[mamboqueen]

How high is your horse? What forum are you reading? You must have missed all the current comments about Tony Dovolani's butt,

uhhh...it's *also* about Max's butt. Ahem.

[alemana]

thank god you brought it back to butts. i could not have gone into week 3 otherwise.

[mamboqueen]

no kidding....*LOL* I like it better when the ladies are doing latin, if you KWIM.

[SDsalsaguy]

no kidding....*LOL* I like it better when the ladies are doing latin, if you KWIM.
Funny that... me too!

[mamboqueen]

:cheers: I knew we'd find some common ground!

[africana]

I thought they were street shoes, too. By the way, thank God for Raphael Pungin! I looked at the clips from Week 2 on his website, and luckily he included the entire pre-dance video of Master P and Ashly. She gave him street shoes.

All these quotes I've seen about a "temper tantrum" over the shoes are crazy as well. That same video on Pungin's Blog shows Ashly breaking into a big laugh when Master P drops the shoes to the floor, and Master P is smiling/laughing at the same time, too. Like I said earlier in this thread, that whole incident was just a big joke. Ashly kept joking around with him and was totally playful after the actual routine and even when they received the judges' scores. Are you people watching the same show I'm watching? :?
well said! it's not that serious...the only real bad thing i saw was his discomfiture with the whole dance thing

He already made a BIG BIG fool of himself by dancing that quickstep. that routine alone tore down any rep he might have been trying to protect, showing that he might be cool with looking foolish for a lttle while to "help the kids" or make more money marketing his lucky P miller shoes ;)

now if he could learn laugh at himself too :lol:

[DancePoet]

Ayuh.

Is it me, or are the celebrities being given leeway with attitude, etc that they would never have been given if they were "ordinary folks"? It seems that way to me...
Well, the whole thing is for ratings and marketing anyway, so this wouldn't surprise me. :lol:

[DancePoet]

I think the that he should lose the shoes. If those are his lucky shoes, why doesn't he get high marks?
I liked it how George made a little 'spoof' of P. "I'm doing this for my brothers in the hood. Everyone in Beverly Hills and Palm Beach." :lol:
:lol:

[DancePoet]

it could be construed that it's his magical shoes ALONE that are keeping him on this show, because lord knows his dancing isn't.
:lol: This wouldn't surprise me either.

[DancePoet]

maybe i'll order a pair of master p magic shooz for my next comp.

ya never know.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[DancePoet]

no kidding....*LOL* I like it better when the ladies are doing latin, if you KWIM.
:lol:

It doesn't matter to me whether the ladies are doing latin/rythmn or standard/smooth they still look better then the guys to me. ;)

[smoozer]

LMAO.
A ten page thread titled Master P's shoes. I have been quite amazed at how many people on the net and that I have talked to feel that P is dis'n ballroom dance with his antics.
FOLKS DON'T TAKE YOURSELF'S OR YOUR HOBBY SO DAMN SERIOUSLY.
From what I can see Ashley seems to be having a wonderful time.
.

[alemana]

um, ok.

[saludas]

LMAO.
A ten page thread titled Master P's shoes. I have been quite amazed at how many people on the net and that I have talked to feel that P is dis'n ballroom dance with his antics.
FOLKS DON'T TAKE YOURSELF'S OR YOUR HOBBY SO DAMN SERIOUSLY.
From what I can see Ashley seems to be having a wonderful time.
.

Er, this is a DANCE forum. Of course we take things pertaining to DANCE seriously.

[Big10]

From what I can see Ashley seems to be having a wonderful time.
Exactly! At least I know that you and I are watching the same show. ;)

[DancingMommy]

LMAO.
A ten page thread titled Master P's shoes. I have been quite amazed at how many people on the net and that I have talked to feel that P is dis'n ballroom dance with his antics.
FOLKS DON'T TAKE YOURSELF'S OR YOUR HOBBY SO DAMN SERIOUSLY.
From what I can see Ashley seems to be having a wonderful time.
.

Bear in mind that some of the people here are NOT "hobby-ist" dancers. Some of them *are* in fact professional dancers who take their livelihood VERY seriously.

And some of the amatuer dancers here aren't exactly hobby-ists, either. They are just as serious about their dancing as any pro.

And P *IS* disrespecting ballroom dance with his antics.

[smoozer]

And P *IS* disrespecting ballroom dance with his antics.

That would be a matter of opinion me thinks. I tend to be more concerned with the way dancesport is disrespected from within than anything that P does. Just an opinion.

[Big10]

And P *IS* disrespecting ballroom dance with his antics.
What "antics"? :confused: He's wearing a hat just like George Hamilton has done -- simply a different style. He's wearing shoes that are comfortable to him -- even though they're a different style from the other men. Plus, he has been remarkably poised in the face of some nasty things said to him by the judges each week. No cursing or shouting back at all.

Master P is just a poor dancer -- no argument about that -- although probably not that much worse than a whole lot of people after only a month of training.

[DancePoet]

LMAO.
A ten page thread titled Master P's shoes. I have been quite amazed at how many people on the net and that I have talked to feel that P is dis'n ballroom dance with his antics.
FOLKS DON'T TAKE YOURSELF'S OR YOUR HOBBY SO DAMN SERIOUSLY.
From what I can see Ashley seems to be having a wonderful time.
.
If he is being disrespectful, then all the more reason for him to be voted off.

Gee, imagine that, a rapper being disrespectful. Could that ever really happen? ;) :lol:

[DancingMommy]

If he is being disrespectful, then all the more reason for him to be voted off.

Gee, imagine that, a rapper being disrespectful. Could that ever really happen? ;) :lol:

Hrm...... I dunno... Maybe he's just doing it for the ratings?

[DancePoet]

Hrm...... I dunno... Maybe he's just doing it for the ratings?
Ah! Maybe if the ratings go up he gets more money. :idea:

[cantskiforlife]

Wow, long post on P's shoes. Took a while for me to catch up. :)

At first I thought it was annoying that P wore sneakers. As I read these posts and think about it more, it is not the sneakers that bother me. It is why he is wearing them.

P is definitely doing what he wants when it comes to his outfit, and shoes. On the street, I could care less. He doesn’t care to look clean-cut, wear tailored outfits, or maintain a stunning physique.

But competition is different. When you compete, you want to do whatever you can to increase your chances of winning.

On a social floor – I would be happy to see P dancing in his shoes. He would be dancing! J
On a competitive floor – Dance with passion and dance to win.

[cantskiforlife]

Actually, Ashly seems to be having fun as far as I can tell, and she had a pretty nice smile when it was revealed that she and P would continue for another week. I must admit, though, that I am happy for both of them and a bit entertained at how deeply enraged some observers seem to be getting over this whole shoe issue. :cool:

Ashley may be happy that she is on the show. But I really don’t think Ashley is having fun dancing with P. She looks more like she is holding on to her last bit of sanity and smiling to cover up the pain.

[cantskiforlife]

If the boss allowed him to wear a different "uniform" (just like all of the other dancers on the show are free to wear whatever shoes the producers approve) then yes I would call him an individual and not take offense. We also have a difference of opinion on whether Master P is "trying." I think he is trying, but he's just not very good. What's so offensive about that?


Are you an individual when you wear regular shoes instead of ballroom shoes for a dancing show?

Individuality – It is a wonderful thing. However, is P really being an individual? Or a rebel? Individuality is expressing your beliefs and passions. Individuality comes from within and is how you express yourself to the world. Rebels are those who react to an external event. I think P is much more of a rebel than an individual. Of course what is he rebelling against?

Whatever it is, count me in! I want to be as happy as he is. I would love to have my future daughters date someone like him. I would definitely bend over backward to help him out (Please note the sarcasm).

Its sad to think what his refusal to wear ballroom shoes means about his person. However, I am actually glad that his persona was shown on TV. It is so depressing that I want people to see the harm it can cause. Its too bad it had to be done on a show that promotes ballroom dancing.

[Joe]

Methinks he doth protest a bit much...

[Big10]

Many people got a bad (and surprisingly hostile) impression from him at the beginning, and now they see what they want to see in his actions. Just my opinion.
I wrote this much earlier in this thread and I still think it holds true. I guarantee that anybody who started watching this season in Week 3 (where Master P was charming, funny, and unmistakably trying his best) has a completely different impression of Master P than many of the folks who started watching in Week 1.

Along those same lines of "seeing what you want to see," how many more excuses can you guys make for Ashly's continuing smile? :roll: How frequently does she have to smile before you start to believe that she's not faking it and honestly having fun? She was clearly able to show her frustration in that clip where Master P subsequently questioned her for "snitching" on him -- just like I think she is clearly showing her joy ever since then. Master P is apparently a nice guy who is trying his best, so I think Ashly appreciates that (even if his underlying dance talent is lacking).

[mamboqueen]

I can't possibly begin to attest to what Ashly must be thinking or feeling. However, she is trained to "fake" emotions as part of her job. I personally can't imagine her being happy at all. If nothing else, it's gotta suck to dance with someone who, by all appearances, does not seem to remotely enjoy it. I think, to her credit, she is putting her best face forward.

[Big10]

Individuality – It is a wonderful thing. However, is P really being an individual? Or a rebel? Individuality is expressing your beliefs and passions. Individuality comes from within and is how you express yourself to the world. Rebels are those who react to an external event. I think P is much more of a rebel than an individual. Of course what is he rebelling against?
Individual or rebel -- so what? Even if Master P were being a "rebel," it wouldn't necessarily offend me (which is the question to which I was responding).

Master P is wearing shoes that the producers of the show have approved. Period. The judges score accordingly, and the viewers vote accordingly.

In any event, Master P is actually adhering to "the rules" better than the two couples who did those illegal lifts in the last show....:p

[Big10]

If nothing else, it's gotta suck to dance with someone who, by all appearances, does not seem to remotely enjoy it.
Not even "remotely"? I recall smiles from Master P shortly after his Quickstep and after his Jive. Of course, he stopped smiling when Len told him how much he sucked and that he should "part" from the show -- which would make most people stop smiling. :? Master P smiles and laughs in the backroom with the other celebrities, and plays along with George Hamilton's jokes.

Perhaps my "people skills" are lacking, but I didn't think he seemed miserable at all in the last two weeks.

[saludas]

I can't possibly begin to attest to what Ashly must be thinking or feeling. However, she is trained to "fake" emotions as part of her job. I personally can't imagine her being happy at all. If nothing else, it's gotta suck to dance with someone who, by all appearances, does not seem to remotely enjoy it. I think, to her credit, she is putting her best face forward.


She's smiling because she realizes that all the votes she is getting are for HER because the viewers don't want to see her dumped because some middleaged no talent has such a misplaced attitude that he almost lost the first week. He forgot that the dancing was also Ashly's.....

[mamboqueen]

She's smiling because she realizes that all the votes she is getting are for HER because the viewers don't want to see her dumped because some middleaged no talent has such a misplaced attitude that he almost lost the first week. He forgot that the dancing was also Ashly's.....


I dunno. Apparently there are all kinds of "Save P" websites and movements out there. Ashly may be getting some sympathy votes, but I think it is nothing in comparison to what he is getting from his support base.

[smoozer]

Big 10 there appear to be several clairvoyants posting on this forum. Can't you tell.

Oh yea and what's wrong with rebels if in fact Master P is one? It seems to me if I recall correctly that I learned in elementary school that our country was founded by rebels. Rebel's have been the inspiration for many very positive changes in the good ol USA.

[Infosaturated]

I think we are over thinking it all. He probably wants to wear his own shoes because he feels comfortable in them and doesn't want to fall on his ass.

Kenny almost skidded right off the floor the first week. The shoes are black so not glaringly out of place to viewers. It would take years for Miller to develop anything remotely resembling a reasonably good ballroom dancer.

On the other hand, at a regular party where dancing is not the main event he would do just fine. Lots of guys would be delighted to do as well as he did and now think, maybe they can, and in their sneakers to boot!

[mamboqueen]

I agree. Let's pick on his suits.

(JUST KIDDING!)

[Infosaturated]

I agree. Let's pick on his suits.

(JUST KIDDING!)

No no lets do! I get the baggy pants hanging down between your knees thing, I have a nephew and a 16 year old daughter, but, not in a suit. lol, that really did look dreadful. It had neither the hip look nor the suit look, it just looked wrong, very wrong, from a purely style perspective.

[saludas]

No no lets do! I get the baggy pants hanging down between your knees thing, I have a nephew and a 16 year old daughter, but, not in a suit. lol, that really did look dreadful. It had neither the hip look nor the suit look, it just looked wrong, very wrong, from a purely style perspective.

Perhaps we all might be foregetting that they have producers and wardrobe people on these shows. The 'look' for Master P was premeditated by the show, too.

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Perhaps we all might be foregetting that they have producers and wardrobe people on these shows. The 'look' for Master P was premeditated by the show, too.

Excellent point, speaking of which, I like Loius's new look, much cuter. Week one was disconserting because it was standing straight up like a troll doll which was distracting, but it's better now, a bit more tamed and I like it.

Loius so won me over with his jive.

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Excellent point, speaking of which, I like Loius's new look, much cuter. I do too and the jive was fantastic. I just wish he would keep his tongue in his mouth...

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I do too and the jive was fantastic. I just wish he would keep his tongue in his mouth...

LOL, me too! But I think I got more used to it this season, or I see it as mischievous, or, it just doesn't bother me as much because I like him more so it's just a quirk.

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I think P picks his own clothes. It appears to me that he is so determined to cling to his persona with the shoes he would most likely would not let someone else pick his suit either.
Of course in my opinion if he wanted to be part of the show even at the last minute I wish he had really joined in and worn the shoes and good fitting clothes so that it wouldn't distract so much from the dancing.
Of course the way he dances maybe the distraction is what they are looking for.