Dancing with the Stars II - Week 3

[cornutt]

I wanna be her.

I wanna be him...

[musicchica86]

Personally, I liked Tia's, but I'm not a judge.

[GJB]

Slightly off topic, but, they should put a real pro/am couple on one of the result shows. Might be inspiring for the stars.

[RhumbaWaltz]

Go Tia and Max!!! And she seems lovely.

[randomMysh]

Okay; whose tango was better - Stacey's or Tias????

Tia's!!!

[cornutt]

Stacy's tango was kind of over the top by comparison.

[musicchica86]

Did they HAVE to show that horrendous fish-leg clip for Giselle? Poor girl...

[deewoman]

The Argentine stuff was hot. The ballroom stuff was a bit weak. (But maybe that's because I know nothing about Argentine so I'm less critical of it?). I do think the audience will love it. Brilliant to use her song from True Lies. People have very fond memories of her dancing Tango to that song. Do they get to pick the music? Or do the producers pick it for them?


Wasn't that same tango song in Scent of a Woman?

[skwiggy]

Great that they talked about how much weight Tia has lost doing the show. Plus, you can really tell just by looking at her how much weight she has lost. She looks fantastic!

They did the same with John H. last season. Hopefully that gives people another reason to want to try it. :)

[RhumbaWaltz]

Tango: Stacy vs. Tia
I liked Stacy's lines and Tia's passion. They were quite different.

[mamboqueen]

Wasn't that same tango song in Scent of a Woman?


Yes!

[randomMysh]

Great that they talked about how much weight Tia has lost doing the show. They did the same with John H. last season. Hopefully that gives people another reason to want to try it. :)

I'm sure she did more than just dancing to lose all that weight.

[mamboqueen]

I'm sure she did more than just dancing to lose all that weight.


Huh? :shock:

[skwiggy]

I'm sure she did more than just dancing to lose all that weight.

Shhhh. They don't have to know that. ;)

[randomMysh]

Huh? :shock:

She's probably working her butt of at the gym to lose over 20 pounds in three weeks, 's all I'm saying.

[mamboqueen]

Gotcha!

I do have to give a lot of credit for these celebs to do this. It aint as easy as it looks and to put yourselves out there on live tv to do this....well, I just give them credit for doing it.

peace out!

[randomMysh]

Gotcha!

:P
:)

[RhumbaWaltz]

Good night all!

[cornutt]

All of the phone numbers are 1-800-868-34nn. The "nn"s are:

05 Drew
01 George
08 Giselle
09 Jerry
02 Lisa
07 P
04 Stacy
06 Tia

[mamboqueen]

Thank you for posting those :)

[Big10]

Very entertaining show. To answer one of the questions from this thread, I preferred Stacy's Tango to Tia's. The sharpness in Stacy's moves and her lines are just awesome.

I'd be a little worried about whether Jerry Rice continues, since his performance was weaker, he went first on the show (so not as fresh in people's minds), and the only score below him was Master P -- who was much more "likeable" in this show (and Ashly is always likeable). I can envision the support for Master P & Ashly being just enough to overtake Jerry under the circumstances. We'll see...

[gracie]

You can see the soft side of Master P coming out- or, is it all scripted? Too bad he refused to do any real Jive steps. He has that "poor tone throughout the whole body" thing. I thought Cheryl and Drew did a wonderful job. He actually had accurate footwork, the choreography was very cute and she is beautiful. You can tell Tony competes alot of women. He really knows how to show off a woman to her best advantage- the hottest guy--Maxim!!!!! What a beautiful, strong, masculine one he is. IMO

[cornutt]

Good night, all. Going to do some software work now. Plus, I have to get the computer off the phone line so I can call in my votes. :cool:

[gracie]

I thought he was okay and set up to look stuck-up last season. I never really minded his ponytail but it was out-dated. It was time for a new look, but, not sure this one is an improvement. Now he reminds me of a troll doll.

Cut's fine, styling needs to improve. OMG He DOES look like a troll doll!!!!

[ChaChaLicious]

oh god... Master P was terrible... nothing new... im happy that one of the judges said it was time for him to leave this competition.. its about friggin' time.. the others did very well IMO. drew, lisa and stacey will go far in this competition.. its going to be hard to decide as to who will win with those 3 being the last 3 couples remaining... looking forward to the upcoming weeks!!!!

[Indiana_Jay]

The Argentine stuff was hot.

OK, for those of us who are too new to dance to know, will someone please explain the references to Argentine? What about the dances was more Argentine and why didn't Len like that?

-IJ

[Chris Stratton]

Sometimes the star's personalities and circumstances get in the way, but the few times I've watched this show it seems that a primary factor is the pro's understanding of the subject dance and ability to communicate a functional subset of that to their student.

For example, of tonight's tangos the last was by far the best - even though the international ballroom element was somewhat brief, it came closest to setting up the specific diagonal elements of body position necessary to make that dance comfortable - with the result that the entire action of feet and body was the closest to this style of tango. While the argentine interlude was long, it also seemed quite well done - it as least looks like stage tango. One major mistake though - from an early link like line the pro opened off his partner to take the first promenade step in a divergent direction. But the other couples tended to both do that at every opportunity.

Latin isn't exactly my thing, but I felt like Louis has really learned from his quick elimination last season, and this time created a concept of jive that really fit his student's capabilities. Friends point out her lacking leg action, but I'd counter that jive is supposed to be an understated dance, not an overstated one, and to be able to keep up without stumbling over your own inertia is not a trivial accomplishment for a beginner. By focusing on the overall character of the dance instead of one detail, they were able to do something that bears a lot of general resemblance to what you might actually see in a ballroom competition context - really of what I saw on the second half of the show tonight, the closest any performance came to that.

[star_gazer]

Sometimes the star's personalities and circumstances get in the way, but the few times I've watched this show it seems that a primary factor is the pro's understanding of the subject dance and ability to communicate a functional subset of that to their student.

For example, of tonight's tangos the last was by far the best - even though the international ballroom element was somewhat brief, it came closest to setting up the specific diagonal elements of body position necessary to make that dance comfortable - with the result that the entire action of feet and body was the closest to this style of tango. While the argentine interlude was long, it also seemed quite well done - it as least looks like stage tango. One major mistake though - from an early link like line the pro opened off his partner to take the first promenade step in a divergent direction. But the other couples tended to both do that at every opportunity.

Latin isn't exactly my thing, but I felt like Louis has really learned from his quick elimination last season, and this time created a concept of jive that really fit his student's capabilities. Friends point out her lacking leg action, but I'd counter that jive is supposed to be an understated dance, not an overstated one, and to be able to keep up without stumbling over your own inertia is not a trivial accomplishment for a beginner. By focusing on the overall character of the dance instead of one detail, they were able to do something that bears a lot of general resemblance to what you might actually see in a ballroom competition context - really of what I saw on the second half of the show tonight, the closest any performance came to that.
OMG...I agree with Chris. These two were the most interesting performances of the evening.

[skwiggy]

OK, for those of us who are too new to dance to know, will someone please explain the references to Argentine? What about the dances was more Argentine and why didn't Len like that?

-IJ

The whole bit in the middle when they took a closer hold by wrapping their arms further around each other, and then she leaned on him, and he did some styling with his leg that looked like he was painting the floor with his foot was all very indicative of the style of Argentine Tango. I personally thought it was the highlight of the routine. Len seems to not like anything that strays too far from International style ballroom. He has given similar criticism of those who danced choreography that had a lot of American style ballroom elements to it.

Max even commented that he knew Len wouldn't like it. I guess he figured pleasing the crowd was worth displeasing Len. I think he was right.

[twnkltoz]

I'm watching now. Anyone else? I thought Jerry was cute but not great.

[twnkltoz]

West coasters: I've started a thread for us!

[twnkltoz]

Am I all alone here? I thought Giselle was fantastic. I thought the judges were a bit harsh. I wanted her to pick up her focus where she dropped it a few times, but otherwise great. Nice posture, teamwork, and showmanship.

[chachachacat]

I thought she looked great, too.
The only thing I noticed was really small head snap, and I wonder if she missed it or she has a neck problem or something...
I think the judges are being very harsh.

[twnkltoz]

wow, Drew rocked!!! (thanks for joining me!)

[chachachacat]

Drew and Cheryl were fantastic!

[twnkltoz]

I love George. I thought all the men had to do the same thing? They get to choose??

Weak lines, weak heal leads but at least they're there for the most part (flat in a few places) but he has so much showmanship I forgive him! ;)

[alemana]

jive is supposed to be an understated dance



now we know who's writing the descriptions on the ABC site.

[chachachacat]

:DYes, he is a marvelous entertainer, you gotta love him.

I had to fight w/ bf for the computer!


I wonder whether they get to choose, or All Big Controller.

[alemana]

i was very sad not to be here. i went to my salsa class and my friend volunteered to drive us to the restaurant where i *thought* the local dancer types would be watching. turns out they'd moved to another location. we were screwed, so we drove around until i came up with another likely locale.

we wound up in a very loud restaurant where some friends are the bartenders, so they turned it on for us, but we couldn't hear a thing.

i missed cheryl. bereft. but tia: my GOD, even without sound, she was amazing.

[twnkltoz]

Lisa did GREAT!!! this is shaping up to be an excellent competition.

[swan]

George Hamilton's interview was hilarious! He's so charming. Boy, he did resemble Erol Flyn! His dancing, though not great, the entire routine was utmost entertaining. And even Std showcase routines include a lot of argentine, I thought George could get by w/ that crooked 'frame'. Edyta was just AMAZING!

Tia looked like she's lot even more weight. She looked stunning just standing there. Can't wait to see her dance!

Drew has talent. I really saw that tonight!

Didn't like Giselle's tango. But she was better than last season's Rachel Hunter performance, Giselle's frame was better.

Louis just looked amazing even dancing w/ Lisa (whose jive was ok...But I liked their pivots!)

[new-ish]

Tia's Tango with Max had the most emotion of the night.

Before, Len's comments about dances not being International style bugged me, but tonight I thought it was a salute to Max.

Was it Argentine? Well probably about 40% of the way from Arthur Murray to Buenos Aires, but who cares? Great Job!

Oh, I have to admit to quite a bit of bias, since Carlos Gardel's "Por Una Cabeza" is one of my favorite songs. It's funny, because I read that Jonathan Roberts started dancing after seeing Al Pacino in "Scent of a Woman" dancing to "Por Una Cabeza."

[twnkltoz]

Stacey..wow. absolutely awesome. She's been my favorite all along...I was SO happy to see a mostly standard routine that wasn't all lifts and lines so that everyone could see that she IS a good dancer!

[swan]

Agreed, that head snap was TANGO! I was expecting a subpar tango from them, but I was very pleasantly surprised. They even did mostly international, in close hold more! I was very happy to see that. Very entertaining routine. Didn't like her do tonight though. The other ladies were ALL stunning. Stacey's do was subpar comparing to others - so blame on whoever's doing her do & costume!

[twnkltoz]

That didn't bother me...I thought she looked nice. I couldn't stop thinking, "wow she's pretty!" And "I want to do a routine to that song!"

[chachachacat]

I liked her tango. Her headwork was perfect.

[twnkltoz]

Ok, P sucked. BUT, he obviously tried this time. I'll give him that. It wouldn't be fair for him to stay another week over someone else. BUT, I'm glad he put his heart into it this time and seemed to have fun.

[twnkltoz]

6?????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chachachacat]

He really tried and he looked halfway decent. I thought the judges sounded like they had it planned. Bye-bye. It is time for him to go, and so, it seems, he shall go.

[swan]

P was definitely a likeable person this week. If he had been like this in the 1st 2 weeks, at least it could justify his staying this long. But w/ the bar setting pretty high by all other stars, he really gotta go...But I'm not so sure if he will be the one :(

[twnkltoz]

Good job Tia!!!! Posture could improve a little, but gawd she was beautiful and really she did a wonderful job. She is losing weight like crazy.

[swan]

Tia was stunning. Beautiful. It's a 'softer' tango than Stacy's. Very different types of performances. I liked both. The only problem I saw & felt 'uncomfortable' watching was Tia's neckline - which was broken often & I felt the 'pain' when I was watching it :)

[twnkltoz]

hehe I know that pain.

[chachachacat]

That was sizzling! I just fell under the Max spell!
They were really good, I think they'll get high marks.

[twnkltoz]

Awesome marks!!! Good for her...I'm so glad.

[swan]

Tia's Tango with Max had the most emotion of the night.

Agreed! Perhaps Stacey's was more technically proper (which was really not by much) Tia was stunning. The whole costuming, making up, she was by far the most beautiful lady tonight. I'm liking Max more as shows goes on. He's really quite talented. Never thought he could pull off on smooth or standard. Very impressed.

[chachachacat]

I feel like I'm in high school, calling the radio station over and over to win tickets to a concert. I had a friend whose father was a doctor, so they had two lines, and we tied them both up all weekend, trying to win a 45 of White Room by Cream!

[twnkltoz]

LOL cat!! thanks you two for hanging out with me so I wouldn't be making commentary all by myself!

[chachachacat]

That didn't bother me...I thought she looked nice. I couldn't stop thinking, "wow she's pretty!" And "I want to do a routine to that song!"

Yes! Cellblock Tango? Great.

[It's Wonderful]

It's been said before, but.... Oh. My. Gawd. Tia is fricken' amazing! She was gorgeous, her dancing was just superb, I loved the AT, and she was certainly my favorite of the night. Stacey's tango was fine, but her face was just so - wooden, I guess is the word. And I was disappointed in Giselle's tango - I had hoped for something better from them. I thought the dress, the music choice, and the general feel of their dance was just too perky for the simmering passion of the tango.

[chachachacat]

LOL cat!! thanks you two for hanging out with me so I wouldn't be making commentary all by myself!
You're very welcome! Thanks for being here!
I only had time to run back and forth and be very concise.
But it was fun. It 'd be more fun with a TV and laptop, on the sofa, in the parlour, as Miss Scarlett, with a glass of wine.;)

[twnkltoz]

I hope we can do this again next week *hint*. I just voted!

[swan]

Ya, I had fun posting as I was watching it. We did it like the East Coasters :) I voted, too - for quite a few different people :)

[Purr]

Best jive: Drew! He & Cheryl nailed it.

Best tango: Tia! That dance was smoking! And Max is pretty hot, too. Uhm, where do I sign up for lessons with him?

Most improvement from the previous week: Lisa! I was shocked at how well she did. Louis is doing a great job with her.

Most interesting concept in a dance: The theme from Stacey's tango. I wouldn't mind trying that out. But then, I've thought tango is a great way to work out all that latent hostility that can build up.

[SDsalsaguy]

Drew & Cheryl continue to deliver, without a doubt.

Lisa really got it this week and I'm glad that the judges scored them accordingly. I'm certainly pleased for her and Louis.

I really didn't like Stacey's costuming this week, it really didn't do anything for her or for her dancing (just like Tatum's dress last week for the rumba). I also have to agree with Len on Stacy's tango too... technically strong, but lacking any real characterization or feel of tango until near the very end (when she starts choking him).

Tia's tango, by contrast, was a little weaker technnically, but *dang* -- great costuming, great characterization of the dance, and by far and away the most feeling of any performance on the night!

[alemana]

we are finally starting to see more *acting* (a key part of dance performance) by these so-called *actors.* last season john seems to me the only one who really emoted effectively; this season, there's more of it all over. good.

[alemana]

i didn't see the whole thing last night so i don't know who got the highest scores... can anyone enlighten me?

[DancePoet]

Pre-show prediction:

George will get booted. Don't know if he'll get the lowest scores (probably won't, as P will keep up his last place streak), but George's injury is going to be his downfall.
George actually scored 5th out of 8, and he was quite entertaining despite his tango not being completely with it. :cool:

[DancePoet]

I think it *should* be P, but my fear is that it will be Tia. I really hope not. Not much good bum-watchin' after that.
Tia's tango was very nicely done! She finished 3rd.

However, :idea: I kind of feel like the two that came in 3rd and 4th last night were just a tad better than the two that came in 1st and 2nd.

[DancePoet]

He does a leg hook and ashley falls backward and crashes to the floor--ooh ick
Ouch!

[SDsalsaguy]

i didn't see the whole thing last night so i don't know who got the highest scores... can anyone enlighten me?
Drew/Cheryl and Stacy/Tony tied for first with 27, Tia/Max were right behind them with 26 (personally I would have switched Stacy and Tia).

[alemana]

hmmm interesting!

[DancePoet]

Lets say your kid was invited to do a show where they paired up real wrestlers with a variety of people from other professions. You kid was told they would be expected to "train" for five hours a week. Each week one of the amateur wrestlers, (you) drawn from ballroom dancing, sportscasters, football players, tv personalities etc. would get dropped and it was all supposed to be done tongue-in-cheek. Your kid dropped out due to injury and you were asked to take their place. Figuring you would get a chance to make a plug for ballroom dancing, you decided what the heck, it's a few hours, you know that nobody could be worse at wrestling than yourself so you would get voted off first, so you accept.
Who is Master P's kid? He must be a celebrity if he was asked to be on the show, correct? And Master P is considered a celebrity ... hmmm ...

Hey, and in the mean time I'm sure there is a little money to be made all the way around, know matter how you slice or dice it, no matter what perspective one is viewing this.

Would you consider it a treat to find out that you had been mislead and that really you were being set up to be humiliated on television, critiqued by judges as though you had seriously committed yourself to learning how to wrestle, and was expected to put in four to five hours every day to practicing? I don't know ... think of all that free publicity. ;)

And one might even get paid to do it, and maybe even sell a few more shoes? :lol:

(DP, your cynical side is showing again ... :roll: )

I don't think so. I think you would be saying, wait a minute, I committed five hours a week, not forty, I have a job, I have a life, I don't want to spend my every waking minute outside of my other life commitments wrestling and being judged on pro-wrestling criteria.
Well, perhaps this presumes the dancer is a star? There must be a way to make a bit of extra money here, correct?

I am not a dancer, and yes, I would be over the moon to get virtually unlimited hours a week with a pro for a couple of months. I wouldn't be over the moon doing it on national T.V. I definitely wouldn't be over the moon if it was some other activity, like bowling, or wrestling, or curling, or any other number of activities that just don't turn my crank.
He could have said, "no". ;)

[DancePoet]

True, but the other celebs were approached well in advance and most likely watched last year's DWTS before deciding whether or not to participate. P's acceptance was more impulsive and taken as an opportunity to get some airtime for Katrina victims. Did you know he "adopted" 2000 homeless Katrina victims?
Maybe it wasn't that impulsive then. ;)

With the exception of Jerry Rice this is a career boosting opportunity for the other contestants. It isn't for Master P. Miller is a very wealthy man successful bigshot. This will do nothing either for or against his career. I am sure he saw it as a charity thing.
Maybe a positive attitude could be beneficial for the charity?

[DancePoet]

i wonder who will get a wildly undeserved 10 this week. also i'm looking forward to the tango dresses!
I liked Stacy's and Tia's was ok, too. :D

Giselle's looked more like a latin dress.

[bjp22tango]

If Master P somehow makes it back this week, someone should take a pair of his shoes and suede them.

He almost tripped in the Quickstep. You would think he would "get it".

Maybe someone should suggest that he come out with a line of "hip" ballroom dance shoes.

[DancePoet]

He's getting a lot of mileage out of the "hood".
I could have sworn that P was from "da hood" and George was from "da wood". ;)

[DancePoet]

Okay; whose tango was better - Stacey's or Tias????
I liked Tia's better. I enjoyed the AT flavor. And Stacey just didn't seem to flow as well.

[Purr]

Drew/Cheryl and Stacy/Tony tied for first with 27, Tia/Max were right behind them with 26 (personally I would have switched Stacy and Tia).

Me, too.

[DancePoet]

Wasn't that same tango song in Scent of a Woman?
Ayuh.

[wyllo]

I loved that P was smiling after his jive!

Len needs to get off his international-style high horse a little -- I feel sorry for the competitors if he's ever asked to judge smooth or rhythm (I bet he wouldn't score anyone higher than third, lol). I thought the judges were a little on the mean side last night.

Loved Tia's tango and the routine that Max came up with. I think she should have had the high score with Drew in second and Stacey in the third (anyone else tired of hearing about her 42" legs? But maybe that's just envy talking...)

[DancePoet]

Great that they talked about how much weight Tia has lost doing the show. Plus, you can really tell just by looking at her how much weight she has lost. She looks fantastic!

They did the same with John H. last season. Hopefully that gives people another reason to want to try it. :)
Taking up dancing really can have a person lose weight. It is certainly not why a tall thin guy like me started, but even I lost some weight. Dancing is a great thing to do for so many reasons! :D

[DancePoet]

Very entertaining show. To answer one of the questions from this thread, I preferred Stacy's Tango to Tia's. The sharpness in Stacy's moves and her lines are just awesome.

I'd be a little worried about whether Jerry Rice continues, since his performance was weaker, he went first on the show (so not as fresh in people's minds), and the only score below him was Master P -- who was much more "likeable" in this show (and Ashly is always likeable). I can envision the support for Master P & Ashly being just enough to overtake Jerry under the circumstances. We'll see...
Maybe I could vote for Jerry, just to keep him around and give him another shot?

[DancePoet]

Sometimes the star's personalities and circumstances get in the way, but the few times I've watched this show it seems that a primary factor is the pro's understanding of the subject dance and ability to communicate a functional subset of that to their student.

For example, of tonight's tangos the last was by far the best - even though the international ballroom element was somewhat brief, it came closest to setting up the specific diagonal elements of body position necessary to make that dance comfortable - with the result that the entire action of feet and body was the closest to this style of tango. While the argentine interlude was long, it also seemed quite well done - it as least looks like stage tango. One major mistake though - from an early link like line the pro opened off his partner to take the first promenade step in a divergent direction. But the other couples tended to both do that at every opportunity.

Latin isn't exactly my thing, but I felt like Louis has really learned from his quick elimination last season, and this time created a concept of jive that really fit his student's capabilities. Friends point out her lacking leg action, but I'd counter that jive is supposed to be an understated dance, not an overstated one, and to be able to keep up without stumbling over your own inertia is not a trivial accomplishment for a beginner. By focusing on the overall character of the dance instead of one detail, they were able to do something that bears a lot of general resemblance to what you might actually see in a ballroom competition context - really of what I saw on the second half of the show tonight, the closest any performance came to that.
Some interesting observations.

And I still feel like Tia's and Lisa's performances were better then Stacy's and Drew's.

I would have ranked them as follows:

Tia and Lisa tied for first.
Drew and Stacey tied for 3rd.
George 5th.
Giselle 6th.
Jerry unfortunately 7th.
P definitely at 8th.

[DancePoet]

Agreed, that head snap was TANGO! I was expecting a subpar tango from them, but I was very pleasantly surprised. They even did mostly international, in close hold more! I was very happy to see that. Very entertaining routine. Didn't like her do tonight though. The other ladies were ALL stunning. Stacey's do was subpar comparing to others - so blame on whoever's doing her do & costume!
I must admit, there were some good lines, it did look like more of a ballroom tango then any of the others, her head did seem to be doing what it is suppose to do, her costume was super, the coreography to the song was very interesting and creative, but for some reason I didn't like how things seemed to flow. Maybe this became more of an issue because this doesn't seem to be Tony's strongest dance?

Of course if I could tango dance half as well as Tony, then I'd be thrilled.

[DancePoet]

Ok, P sucked. BUT, he obviously tried this time. I'll give him that. It wouldn't be fair for him to stay another week over someone else. BUT, I'm glad he put his heart into it this time and seemed to have fun.
The rest were all better than he was this week, even though we saw him finally coming out of his marketed persona. It would be unfair if he makes it to the next round, but sometimes life isn't fair.

[dancergal]

Wow, so many comments to read. I tried to turn on my computer last night so I could see the comments as the show was on, but I didn't want to miss anything as my computer is in another room and running back and forth wasn't cutting it!

On the whole, great dancing from everyone I thought. This group of stars are so much better than last season. The women are amazing. I just loved Tia's Tango and I thought Drew did a great job. He's far above the other men, even though they are very entertaining. I love George just for pure entertainment value. Jerry looked so much better in the practice clips. Don't know what happened to him on the dance floor. He's performance was so hesistant and flat. I loved Lisa's dance. She looked wonderful too! She cracked me up about her "girls." Stacey's boring dress and her wooden face really ruined the dance for me. Giselle's dance wasn't the best and I can hardly remember it. P. just needs to go although I do believe he tried a little harder. And was it just me, or did you see Anna's "bum" during her dance??!

[mayanempire]

Loved Tia's tango and the routine that Max came up with. I think she should have had the high score with Drew in second and Stacey in the third (anyone else tired of hearing about her 42" legs? But maybe that's just envy talking...)

I SO agree! I thought it was just me. I'm a salsera, and I don't know much about tango, but Stacey was scaring me with that "axe murderer" expression glued to her face. To me, she looked far less natural than Tia. Plus, Max's choreography was sensational.

[DancePoet]

Yes! Cellblock Tango? Great.
I was once part of a group of 8 dancers who gave a performance to the Cell Block Tango. We had a great time with the coreography that our instructor developed. The words really lead themselves well to creating an interesting performance. It can be lots of fun! :D

[LXC]

Contrary to most posters here, I like Stacey's tango much better than Tia's. My mind just shut off when I see Tia's broken frame and neckline and how she struggled with balance. No matter what other tricks they did, it's just not enjoyable to watch. I'm really surprised at the high scores. But I guess most people think marks are fair:cool:

I'm enjoying this season sooooooooooo much more!

[twnkltoz]

Given that the Cellblock Tango is sung but a bunch of murdresses, I kind of liked the detached ax murderer look on her face! :)

[mayanempire]

Given that the Cellblock Tango is sung but a bunch of murdresses, I kind of liked the detached ax murderer look on her face! :)

Touche!

[caityrosey]

Who is Master P's kid? He must be a celebrity if he was asked to be on the show, correct? And Master P is considered a celebrity ... hmmm ...

Hey, and in the mean time I'm sure there is a little money to be made all the way around, know matter how you slice or dice it, no matter what perspective one is viewing this.

I don't know ... think of all that free publicity. ;)

And one might even get paid to do it, and maybe even sell a few more shoes? :lol:

(DP, your cynical side is showing again ... :roll: )


Well, perhaps this presumes the dancer is a star? There must be a way to make a bit of extra money here, correct?


He could have said, "no". ;)

I'm actually sort of curious to know what kind of contracts the stars have to sign to go on this show. They may very well be required to designate a back-up person should they be unable to participate.

[mayanempire]

Who is Master P's kid? He must be a celebrity if he was asked to be on the show, correct? And Master P is considered a celebrity ... hmmm ...


I would have actually much rather have seen P's son, Romeo. He's a cute kid rapper/actor. Well, I guess he isn't so much of a kid anymore (I think he's 18 now. Boy, I'm getting old). However, he stars in a kid's show on Nickelodeon. It's in the vain of Lizzie McGuire or That's So Raven.
Very popular with the tween/teen set.
(Considering I have no children, please don't ask me why I know this. But I do have an excuse--I work in media!) :)

As far as Master P being a celebrity: he's worth a lot of money, but is, admittedly, a washed-up rapper. However, I think he's earned a B to Drew Lachey's D-level celebrity status (although Drew is far more pleasant to watch dancing!). Let's face it--none of the "celebrities" are really household names...

[Porfirio Landeros]

I'm actually sort of curious to know what kind of contracts the stars have to sign to go on this show. They may very well be required to designate a back-up person should they be unable to participate.The story as I have heard it, is that there was already a back-up celebrity training to replace Romeo, even though P had already accepted (but had not been showing up for practice). The back-up celeb was supposedly even present at the premiere of Season 2 in the audience.

So, P really did have a chance to back out, so he really is doing this show for his own reasons (Katrina/Self-Promotion/Inspiration-to-the-hood/doing-Ashley-a-favor/etc....)

[DancePoet]

I'm actually sort of curious to know what kind of contracts the stars have to sign to go on this show. They may very well be required to designate a back-up person should they be unable to participate.
Hmmm ... :idea:!!!

[DancePoet]

The story as I have heard it, is that there was already a back-up celebrity training to replace Romeo, even though P had already accepted (but had not been showing up for practice). The back-up celeb was supposedly even present at the premiere of Season 2 in the audience.

So, P really did have a chance to back out, so he really is doing this show for his own reasons (Katrina/Self-Promotion/Inspiration-to-the-hood/doing-Ashley-a-favor/etc....)
Why am I not surprised. ;)

Thanks for the info Porfirio!

[gusmahler]

As far as Master P being a celebrity: he's worth a lot of money, but is, admittedly, a washed-up rapper. However, I think he's earned a B to Drew Lachey's D-level celebrity status (although Drew is far more pleasant to watch dancing!). Let's face it--none of the "celebrities" are really household names...

Well, it depends on the meaning of the word celebrity.

Master P was a minor rap star in the mid 90s, though his star has dimmed since then. Here's a bio of his: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE57A18DA48AB7020D09D3252C8B877F705FE44 F78F172C0456D3B82D699D3C4EB559CDAE81B0E577B466ADFF 2EA2160ED1C0EB5FF6DE622D5DF0&searchlink=MASTER|P&uid=CAW010601201259&samples=1&sql=11:kk8gtq2ztu4a~T1

Jerry Rice is only the greatest WR to ever play the game of football and possibly the greatest player to ever play the game. Although football is the biggest sport in the US and Rice had an incredible career, it's apparent that his football celebrity never made him as much of a mainstream name as Michael Jordan or even Barry Bonds. The mainstream media seems to focus on quarterbacks, not wide receivers. Nonetheless, to any sports fan, Jerry Rice is a huge name.

Tatum O'Neal once won an Oscar, so she was a star at one point. Her career is obviously nowhere now, though.

I don't even know who Lisa is.

Giselle is a local newscaster. So I guess she is "famous" where she broadcasts, but not anywhere else.

George Hamilton is most famous for his tan, but has been a B/C level celebrity longer than anyone else on the show.

Stacy is very popular, but only in a niche market. Outside of the niche, she was unknown.

Drew is most famous as Nick's brother. Nick is only famous because he's Jessica's husband. 98 Degrees never had the popularity of the Backstreet Boys or N'Sync, but they did have a good level of popularity for a while in the late 90s. Here's a 98 Degrees bio.

Tia was a B level star in the late 80s/early 90s. Though she's a has been now.

So there's no one in the show that would make the average person say, "oh my God, that is a really famous person whom I want to see dance." But they are all famous in their own little way.

[alemana]

Master P was a minor rap star in the mid 90s, though his star has dimmed since then. Here's a bio of his: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE57A18DA48AB7020D09D3252C8B877F705FE44 F78F172C0456D3B82D699D3C4EB559CDAE81B0E577B466ADFF 2EA2160ED1C0EB5FF6DE622D5DF0&searchlink=MASTER|P&uid=CAW010601201259&samples=1&sql=11:kk8gtq2ztu4a~T1




whoa there! let me introduce you to a wonderful tool called tiny url.


tinyurl.com

[gusmahler]

whoa there! let me introduce you to a wonderful tool called tiny url.


tinyurl.com
Before today, this forum was automatically shortening the URLs for you. For some reason, it didn't do it then. Here are the URLs:

Master P's bio:
http://tinyurl.com/db2f2

98 Degrees bio:
http://tinyurl.com/9844z

[gusmahler]

Is there any reason that the women have been dancing the slower dance each week so far? We don't really know how, e.g., Drew will do in a slow dance or Stacy will do in a fast dance.

[swan]

Is there any reason that the women have been dancing the slower dance each week so far? We don't really know how, e.g., Drew will do in a slow dance or Stacy will do in a fast dance.

Lisa did a jive last night. Stacy w/ her leg kicks should have nice speed.

[mamboqueen]

Lisa did a jive last night. Stacy w/ her leg kicks should have nice speed.


I dunno. I always felt that being shorter gave you more ability to move quicker. I'm on the tall side and always question if I wouldn't be better off doing standard or smooth. The longer/taller something is, generally the longer it takes to move. At least that's what I read....

[alemana]

this forum prohibited full URLs before today, i thought, but it certainly never tiny-url'ed them for me automatically.

[salsera_alemana]

I SO agree! I thought it was just me. I'm a salsera, and I don't know much about tango, but Stacey was scaring me with that "axe murderer" expression glued to her face. To me, she looked far less natural than Tia. Plus, Max's choreography was sensational.

I have been lurking on this thread and had some good laughs and many a nods to what you have been commenting.

I second this! I was all in awe about Tia's tango and also had goosebumps! The Argentine touch was what did it to me! The choreography was fantastic! I do not dance tango myself but love to see it. Stacey ruined hers with her stone face, that really bothered me although her dancing was good.

[dancergal]

Well, it depends on the meaning of the word celebrity.

Master P was a minor rap star in the mid 90s, though his star has dimmed since then. Here's a bio of his: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE57A18DA48AB7020D09D3252C8B877F705FE44 F78F172C0456D3B82D699D3C4EB559CDAE81B0E577B466ADFF 2EA2160ED1C0EB5FF6DE622D5DF0&searchlink=MASTER|P&uid=CAW010601201259&samples=1&sql=11:kk8gtq2ztu4a~T1

Jerry Rice is only the greatest WR to ever play the game of football and possibly the greatest player to ever play the game. Although football is the biggest sport in the US and Rice had an incredible career, it's apparent that his football celebrity never made him as much of a mainstream name as Michael Jordan or even Barry Bonds. The mainstream media seems to focus on quarterbacks, not wide receivers. Nonetheless, to any sports fan, Jerry Rice is a huge name.

Tatum O'Neal once won an Oscar, so she was a star at one point. Her career is obviously nowhere now, though.

I don't even know who Lisa is.

Giselle is a local newscaster. So I guess she is "famous" where she broadcasts, but not anywhere else.

George Hamilton is most famous for his tan, but has been a B/C level celebrity longer than anyone else on the show.

Stacy is very popular, but only in a niche market. Outside of the niche, she was unknown.

Drew is most famous as Nick's brother. Nick is only famous because he's Jessica's husband. 98 Degrees never had the popularity of the Backstreet Boys or N'Sync, but they did have a good level of popularity for a while in the late 90s. Here's a 98 Degrees bio.

Tia was a B level star in the late 80s/early 90s. Though she's a has been now.

So there's no one in the show that would make the average person say, "oh my God, that is a really famous person whom I want to see dance." But they are all famous in their own little way.

If you go on ABC.com you can read a short bio of each celebrity and what movie/sports/etc. they are famous for.

As for me, I never heard of Drew, Stacey, Giselle or Master P.

[gusmahler]

this forum prohibited full URLs before today, i thought, but it certainly never tiny-url'ed them for me automatically.

It didn't tiny url them, it would post it as a clickable link, but the entire text of the link would be viewable. E.g., look at the last link I posted here:
http://www.dance-forums.com/showpost.php?p=244931&postcount=19

[Big10]

The story as I have heard it, is that there was already a back-up celebrity training to replace Romeo, even though P had already accepted (but had not been showing up for practice). The back-up celeb was supposedly even present at the premiere of Season 2 in the audience.

So, P really did have a chance to back out, so he really is doing this show for his own reasons (Katrina/Self-Promotion/Inspiration-to-the-hood/doing-Ashley-a-favor/etc....)
Very interesting insights. :cool:

I can't imagine why it would be a secret, but is there any way you could let us know (or give us a hint) about the identity of the back-up celebrity?

Also, based on your comments, I guess the back-up celebrity was training with a different "pro," so Ashly wouldn't have been on the show at all if Master P didn't agree to take Romeo's place and dance with her. Is that correct?

[scotttocs]

I just love the term "back-up celebrity"

[LXC]

I have been lurking on this thread and had some good laughs and many a nods to what you have been commenting.

I second this! I was all in awe about Tia's tango and also had goosebumps! The Argentine touch was what did it to me! The choreography was fantastic! I do not dance tango myself but love to see it. Stacey ruined hers with her stone face, that really bothered me although her dancing was good.

During my mom's visit last summer, she saw for the first time our dancing. She very much loved the waltz and foxtrot, was ok with quickstep, but she just couldn't bear the tango! Or should I say international tango. The head flick, the bent leg, the leg/feet kicking, it's just not dancing to her. I was worried that my poor tango didn't do it justice so I showed her video of the best professional dancers to convince her; still she didn't like it. I was soooooo disheartened. Now I see this may be a common reaction. It's me that looking at such stone face as normal:raisebro:

Seriously, those who think Stacey's facial expression was unbearable, what do you think of J. Roberts during the pro demo?

[alemana]

i am still unable to watch international tango without busting out in guffaws.

[LXC]

i am still unable to watch international tango without busting out in guffaws.

thanks... for reminding me again what a weirdo i am

[scotttocs]

i am still unable to watch international tango without busting out in guffaws.

That would be your loss, IMO

[WRhythm]

I cannot stop laughing at the host's diction..."rival", "nemesis"....They are certainly going for the high drama effect or perhaps I should say affect.

[Big10]

To answer one of the questions from this thread, I preferred Stacy's Tango to Tia's. The sharpness in Stacy's moves and her lines are just awesome.
After second viewing (tonight), I guess I will change my mind and say that I like Tia's tango better. Stacy's was still very nice, but Thursday night I was probably overly influenced by how hot Stacy is.... :oops:

[scotttocs]

After second viewing (tonight), I guess I will change my mind and say that I like Tia's tango better. Stacy's was still very nice, but Thursday night I was probably overly influenced by how hot Stacy is.... :oops:

Actually tonight, I was able to see a lot more holes in Tia's tango. But I still like Tia's better.

[scotttocs]

Jerry is in!

Hopefully that confirms that we won't be subjected to P anymore.
Sorry Ashly.

[musicchica86]

I don't know...we might be sans George and Edyta this week...

[scotttocs]

I don't know...we might be sans George and Edyta this week...

As much as I'd like to not see George again, Having P still there is too painful to contemplate.

[musicchica86]

*** is this music?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[scotttocs]

Other than NOT PASO I'm clueless.

[GJB]

I wonder who's choreographing the pro group numbers? I thought the paso was cool.

[scotttocs]

I'm wondering who choses the pro pairings as well..

[LXC]

I really liked the group dance. The show is getting better and better!

And Jerry is IN!!!!!!!:banana:

[musicchica86]

The dance rocked. The music sucked.

[scotttocs]

The dance rocked. The music sucked.

I wish I was watching that in a bar with bad sound.

[musicchica86]

I think that music choice was probably the poorest of the series...a new personal low for DWTS's band.

[scotttocs]

Nnnnnooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GJB]

Break dancers were boring. I liked the group that was on the other dance show better - already forgot the name of it maybe America's Best Dancer?

[WRhythm]

Oh for goodness sake! This is just getting ridiculous!

[Bradamant]

I think that music choice was probably the poorest of the series...a new personal low for DWTS's band.

Worse than the Sonny and Cherr V. Waltz last season? (I'm on the west coast . . .)

[musicchica86]

*screams*

*loudly*

[GJB]

Worse than the Sonny and Cherr V. Waltz last season? (I'm on the west coast . . .)

It's from one of the Rocky movies title is something like "Gonna fly now"?

[musicchica86]

It was hustle music or something like that...really, really bad.

[Big10]

*screams*

*loudly*
So did I. :cool:

This forum will remain very entertaining for at least another week. I had not called/voted this season before Thursday night, but I called in one for Stacy and all the rest for P/Ashly....

[GJB]

Shocking! Everyone's voting for Ashly. Bogus!

[LXC]

In the first result show when they announced that P was safe, Ashly looked so excited and surprised. Then when they announced it last week, she had absolute no facial expression, which looked really odd, making me think she felt bad for the eliminated couple or something. Now this week, she was all surprised and happy again. Wonder what's going on. But she's so cute, I'm sure a lot of the votes went to her.

[musicchica86]

I'm in shock.

[scotttocs]

I'm going to hide in disbelief now.

[WRhythm]

No...no...NO! Ugh, not the choices that I would have made!

[Big10]

It's from one of the Rocky movies title is something like "Gonna fly now"?
It's from the original Rocky movie, and I think the title is simply "Rocky's Theme" or "The Theme from Rocky" or something very original like that.

[Big10]

I'm sure a lot of the votes went to her.
That's been my belief all along. Ashly is super-cute and her energy and enthusiasm are infectious.

There are polls over on Raphael's blog, and the last time I looked, the "celebrity" that people least wanted to win was Master P -- but the pro dancer that they most wanted to win was Ashly. She has a fan base of her own.

[twnkltoz]

OK, for us west coasters who want to know what happened...be specific!!! Who's in, who's out??

[Bradamant]

OK, for us west coasters who want to know what happened...be specific!!! Who's in, who's out??

Giselle is out, everyone else is in.

[twnkltoz]

WHAT??!!!! Oh, that SUCKS.

[DanceMentor]

That is a big surprise to me too. I can see how Ashley having a large fan base could keep her in longer. From a judging standpoint, surely Master P should not be "in" still, but all is fair in love and war and dancing. :)

[swan]

I think that music choice was probably the poorest of the series...a new personal low for DWTS's band.

W/ all the top dancers in that formation, you'd have thought they'd have collectively selected something that everyone would approve. Why didn't they protest? The dancing was absolutely FAB!

[musicchica86]

Maybe if the judges all give P 1's or 0's next week, their score will trump the audience vote...

[SDsalsaguy]

Maybe if the judges all give P 1's or 0's next week, their score will trump the audience vote... Not really, becuase they'll stil have the lowest ordinal from the judges, just like the previous weeks when they've made it through.

[wooh]

The lower the judges score them, the more people will feel the need to call in and "save" them. That sucks for Giselle (and for me, I'm a Jonathan fan...) I'm surprised, I'd figured it would be Tia that would be out. Giselle didn't have much of a fan base either, but I figured Jonathan would have had some fans since he's been on the show for 2 whole seasons now. The judges need to give P and Ashley something like 10,9,10 so that the audience will think they're safe and vote for someone else (or not vote at all.) In fact, I'd not be surprised if they gave him such low scores (when they're inflating everyone else's) and said all the stuff about "It's time for you and the show to part ways, blahblah" just for that reason, to inspire the audience to call in for him. I'm about to boycott the show in favor of Skating with Celebrities. This is getting to be ridiculous. If your so stupid to vote for P as your favorite, you deserve to have your phone disconnected. I don't care how lovable Ashley is, the man can't dance.

[Bradamant]

I think that music choice was probably the poorest of the series...a new personal low for DWTS's band.

I just got home and am watching the results show.
Okay, I agree. I never thought anything could top last year's V. Waltz but I was wrong.

It wasn't even hustle music. (And I'll hustle to darn near anything.) This was the most non-danceable of any piece of music ever on the show.

[Bradamant]

You know, I have always thought breakdancing was pretty cool. But why have an exhibition of it on _this_ show? With all the social partner dance styles available to showcase? Perhaps a NY style hustle (maybe a bookends routine) or a WCS or Salsa or or or . . . I don't get it.

[SDsalsaguy]

You know, I have always thought breakdancing was pretty cool. But why have an exhibition of it on _this_ show? With all the social partner dance styles available to showcase? Perhaps a NY style hustle (maybe a bookends routine) or a WCS or Salsa or or or . . . I don't get it.
Probably trying to atract a different audience... although how they'd know about it without already being a viewer is beyond me.

[Big10]

You know, I have always thought breakdancing was pretty cool. But why have an exhibition of it on _this_ show? With all the social partner dance styles available to showcase? Perhaps a NY style hustle (maybe a bookends routine) or a WCS or Salsa or or or . . . I don't get it.
You may be under the mistaken impression that the producers actually care about promoting one form of dance or another. I'm sure they only care about making different aspects of each show appeal to as wide a variety of viewers as possible...."Music? Dance? Let's toss it in there!"

I don't watch much primetime TV, but if I recall correctly, ABC has tended to have a number of "family" shows on Friday nights. In the grand scheme of things, there are a whole bunch of teenagers who stay home and watch TV on Friday nights. The producers probably figure that having some teen-oriented element of the show will keep them watching, along with their parents. That might explain the presence of Drew Lachey, Master P, and the teen singer who was on the previous results show -- as well as the *****cat Dolls who were announced as next week's performers. If you're not familiar with that singing group, they'll probably do their rendition of "Sway" from Shall We Dance, but the group's persona generally is all about appealing to hip young people.

{Edited to say -- I didn't realize we couldn't say "*****cat" in here!}

[DancePoet]

Well, it depends on the meaning of the word celebrity.

Master P was a minor rap star in the mid 90s, though his star has dimmed since then. ...

Jerry Rice is only the greatest WR to ever play the game of football and possibly the greatest player to ever play the game. Although football is the biggest sport in the US and Rice had an incredible career, it's apparent that his football celebrity never made him as much of a mainstream name as Michael Jordan or even Barry Bonds. The mainstream media seems to focus on quarterbacks, not wide receivers. Nonetheless, to any sports fan, Jerry Rice is a huge name.

Tatum O'Neal once won an Oscar, so she was a star at one point. Her career is obviously nowhere now, though.

I don't even know who Lisa is.

Giselle is a local newscaster. So I guess she is "famous" where she broadcasts, but not anywhere else.

George Hamilton is most famous for his tan, but has been a B/C level celebrity longer than anyone else on the show.

Stacy is very popular, but only in a niche market. Outside of the niche, she was unknown.

Drew is most famous as Nick's brother. Nick is only famous because he's Jessica's husband. 98 Degrees never had the popularity of the Backstreet Boys or N'Sync, but they did have a good level of popularity for a while in the late 90s. Here's a 98 Degrees bio.

Tia was a B level star in the late 80s/early 90s. Though she's a has been now.

So there's no one in the show that would make the average person say, "oh my God, that is a really famous person whom I want to see dance." But they are all famous in their own little way.
Before DWTS II, I hadn't heard of P, Giselle, Stacy, nor Drew (although I had heard of 98 degrees).

[DancePoet]

I dunno. I always felt that being shorter gave you more ability to move quicker. I'm on the tall side and always question if I wouldn't be better off doing standard or smooth. The longer/taller something is, generally the longer it takes to move. At least that's what I read....
I'd say you look very good doing Latin. ;)

[DancePoet]

I just love the term "back-up celebrity"
:lol:

[DancePoet]

During my mom's visit last summer, she saw for the first time our dancing. She very much loved the waltz and foxtrot, was ok with quickstep, but she just couldn't bear the tango! Or should I say international tango. The head flick, the bent leg, the leg/feet kicking, it's just not dancing to her. I was worried that my poor tango didn't do it justice so I showed her video of the best professional dancers to convince her; still she didn't like it. I was soooooo disheartened. Now I see this may be a common reaction. It's me that looking at such stone face as normal:raisebro:

Seriously, those who think Stacey's facial expression was unbearable, what do you think of J. Roberts during the pro demo?
His facial expression was very intense!

[Big10]

If your so stupid to vote for P as your favorite, you deserve to have your phone disconnected. I don't care how lovable Ashley is, the man can't dance.
Do you honestly think that anybody considers Master P to be the best "dancer" on this show? Come on, now. :roll: Some people probably do consider Ashly as their favorite pro; some people feel sympathy for Master P; some people like the entertainment value of having him on the show; and a few people may just like him for his music accomplishments in the past.

Nobody thinks Master P is "the best dancer," but that has never been why people were voting for him, anyway. He and Ashly both know that. George Hamilton knows that about himself, too. Kenny Mayne and Tatum O'Neal knew that they had no chance of winning this "competition" purely based on dance ability, either. Were they supposed to just quit after they saw how talented Drew Lachey and Stacy Keibler were? All of the celebrities are being paid to entertain the general public (and generate advertising revenue for ABC), and that's what they're doing.

[DancePoet]

After second viewing (tonight), I guess I will change my mind and say that I like Tia's tango better. Stacy's was still very nice, but Thursday night I was probably overly influenced by how hot Stacy is.... :oops:
Understandable. ;)

[DancePoet]

Jerry is in!

Hopefully that confirms that we won't be subjected to P anymore.
Sorry Ashly.
Unfortunately not! :(

[DancePoet]

So did I. :cool:

This forum will remain very entertaining for at least another week. I had not called/voted this season before Thursday night, but I called in one for Stacy and all the rest for P/Ashly....
You must be kidding?

I'm shocked P made it past this 3rd show of the season. The judges had him placed last and at this point deservedly so. What happened with the audience judging??? Unreal. Frankly something is seriously wrong if the audience judgiing had enough impact to keep him on the show at this point for another round. Ugh!!! Totaly disappointing. I'm almost to the point of calling this a sham. Is there anyway it can be assured we won't see P again after the 4th round? It just seems so completely wrong for him to still be there. Oh my goodness, I enjoy the Xmas spirit, but bah humbug to P still being around at this point. :shock: :( :headwall:

[DancePoet]

Shocking! Everyone's voting for Ashly. Bogus!
Which means they voted for P! :shock:

[DancePoet]

Giselle is out, everyone else is in.
I wasn't impressed with Giselle's tango, but this really is quite shocking. At least she seemed to take things well. What a bummer.

(DP is shaking his head in almost utter disbelief.)

[DancePoet]

Probably trying to atract a different audience... although how they'd know about it without already being a viewer is beyond me.
Yeah, the kind of audience that will vote for P. Lovely. :roll:

[DancePoet]

Well, I suppose at this point the best thing to do is to hope this causes enough controversy in the media so that enough people watch the next show, see how really bad P is at dancing, and then he finally gets voted off.

And perhaps this will do big things for ballroom dancing with more people watching?

[Bradamant]

ABC's site has been down for the last 7 hours. Heh. I wonder why.

[Ralph]

I was really shocked to hear that Giselle was out. For crying out loud, she was one of the four best dancers (the others being: Stacey, Drew and Lisa).

[Bradamant]

I was really shocked to hear that Giselle was out. For crying out loud, she was one of the four best dancers (the others being: Stacey, Drew and Lisa).

From the beginning I thought she was one of the three best dancers.

My list of the top four jibes with yours -- except I'd replace Lisa with Tia. There is just something about the way Lisa moves that . . .very viscerally horrifies me. :confused: I can't even articulate why.

I have insomnia so I checked out the ABC site. Can finally get into it (after almost 9 hours) but can't post. Good move on their part. It was totally out of control over there.

[moother]

After last nights show I was just disgusted! I thought this was a dance contest and it appears to be a popularity contest based on something else.
Even the judges tried to make sure "P" was gone by giving them very low scores and instead it must have spiked votes from his supporters.
At first I felt like they should give him a chance but the chance has been given and he is NOT a dancer.

[Ralph]

Who was at the bottom two with Giselle? P?

[mamboqueen]

George.

[mamboqueen]

My husband screwed up the recording, but I made the people whose party I was at last night turn the tv on for 15 minutes to see the results. Flabbergasted!

The only thing I can muster up to say is that it's a total disgrace when the person who worked the longest and hardest to win (according to Tom Bergeron) is off the show before the person who clearly cares the least. Sad. If ABC has any good sense, they'll "fix" the results next week...no one would be any wiser.

[Chris Stratton]

Well, I suppose at this point the best thing to do is to hope this causes enough controversy in the media so that enough people watch the next show, see how really bad P is at dancing, and then he finally gets voted off.

Perhaps the TV audience sees P dancing the way they would, and everyone else doing something wierd that they can't identify with.

[Laura]

Ahh, interesting point Chris.

I'm kind of wondering if we're going to end up with some kind of weird Kelly Monaco like situation again. I remember last season, where she was just horrible on the first show, but people kept her around and she kept getting better and then won, even though she was never the best. Maybe that's the kind of thing that the great mainstream of American television viewers likes to see.

Drew looked so good...maybe it was "too" good, and people think he's some sort of ringer 'cause he was in a boy band or something like that.

It's all crazy and weird and I'm starting to think it's too pointless to try to figure out. At this point all I can do is sit back and watch with horror and fascination.

[moother]

It isn't possible in the time left for "P" to improve enough for anyone to say he actually deserves to win. At least Kelly did improve a lot even though I along with many other people didn't think she deserved a win of J.O. He has several problems that he would have to address to make improvements. First he needs to wear dancing shoes, second he needs to let lose of his cool concept and focus on dancing and third he would need to have someone else's feet attached to his body. ;}

[mamboqueen]

It isn't possible in the time left for "P" to improve enough for anyone to say he actually deserves to win. At least Kelly did improve a lot even though I along with many other people didn't think she deserved a win of J.O. He has several problems that he would have to address to make improvements. First he needs to wear dancing shoes, second he needs to let lose of his cool concept and focus on dancing and third he would need to have someone else's feet attached to his body. ;}


You are right. There wasn't that big a gap between Kelly and John (if indeed, you thought there was one...either way, either could have won the prize and at least half the audience would have been happy). If P beat out the frontrunner, say Stacy or Drew, ABC would lose all credibility with the show.

[new-ish]

That's been my belief all along. Ashly is super-cute and her energy and enthusiasm are infectious.

There are polls over on Raphael's blog, and the last time I looked, the "celebrity" that people least wanted to win was Master P -- but the pro dancer that they most wanted to win was Ashly. She has a fan base of her own.

I hadn't thought of that, but count me in to the Ashly Fan Club. Last season, I voted as much as I could for Ashly and Joey, but I thought that Len's bias against them took them out earlier than they should have. This time around, I decided to enjoy the good parts of the show and fast forward through the stuff I don't care for.

[cornutt]

Here's the thing about the scoring system. As I understand it, they sum the judges' ordinals and the audience vote ordinals. As I recall, Giselle was 5th in the judges' scoring; the 6-7-8 placements were Jerry, George, and P. If the audience voted her last, then her total ordinal was 13. That means that P must have been voted no worse than 5th by the audience to also have a total ordinal of 13 (the audience vote is the tie-breaker). We know that P wasn't in the bottom two, so George was probably voted 6th by the audience which also gave him a total ordinal of 13. Jerry couldn't have been voted 7th by the audience because then his ordinal would also be 13 and he would have lost the tie-breaker to George and landed in the bottom two, and since we think we know who 5th and 6th were, then Jerry must have been voted 4th or better. This means that some other dance who is much better than P was voted 7th. If the way they announced the first two "safe" couples last night indicates that they had the top two total ordinals (that part isn't clear to me), then one of Tia, Drew, or Lisa was voted 7th by the audience. This suggests that they are the ones in the most danger next week.

Another interesting thing about the scoring system: In the final week, the judges' marks don't matter. If the judge and audience ordinals are opposite for the final two, then they both have a total ordinal of 3, but the audience vote is the tie-breaker. So whoever wins the audience vote is the winner, no matter how the judges score.

[mamboqueen]

I wish I had the brain function right now to assimilate that information.

Interesting....for sure.

[moother]

I loved Ashley last season with Joey and they were my choice to win. I just love to watch her dance, BUT watching her with P is not really dancing because I can't see her because of his distraction. I hope if the show has another season she gets another good partner! I would love to have seen her matched with Drew this time. If P wins this time there may not be a next season.

[Laura]

If P wins this time there may not be a next season.

That's what I was thinking. Heck, it could be the downfall of "competitive reality" TV.

[SDsalsaguy]

If P wins this time there may not be a next season. That's what I was thinking. Heck, it could be the downfall of "competitive reality" TV. Heck, as things stand already I think it's losing credibility in a lot of people's eyes... :?

[swan]

Here's the thing about the scoring system. As I understand it, they sum the judges' ordinals and the audience vote ordinals. As I recall, Giselle was 5th in the judges' scoring.

Yes, w/ P's being saved by the sum of ordinal system, he might be able to hang in there for a LONG time...

His popularity with the audience is probably at 4th& 5th place. The judges would have to really go check out the audience votes & start 'fixing' their scoring next week in order to save the real top 3 couples they'd like to see in the final as well as the couples they'd like to see to advance rounds rather than P. I think Stacey is rather safe at the moment.

But everyone else is really up in the air. No one else has the combo of popularity and the actual dancing.

Well, next week, I think the judges might have to score George really low to give some of the 'better' dancers a chance to advance & let P stay for another week...

[mamboqueen]

The prospect that the judges are going to have to think that way to 'strategize' P off the show is farcical. They're going to have to pre-determine their scoring before the dancers even get to dance....and what if the scores don't remotely jive with the performances....

[wooh]

Cornutt,
My understanding is the last show will be THREE couples, to prevent the farce that was last year's judges' scores (which everyone knew didn't matter.) So at least, we can know that P won't win the whole thing (he'll come in 3rd with the judges, he can come in first with the audience but that will still only make him 2nd place. Unless of course the judge's first choice is third with the audience, then they're tied for 2nd, so second in audience and 2nd in judging would fall where in that? Now I'm confused too.... Maybe P can win the whole thing, because America certainly is stupid enough to vote for it, and by stupid, I mean doesn't agree with me!)

Question for international DWTS people, do they have the absurd celebrity fan base problem in other countries? I'm not naive enough to think that the "best" dancer as a ballroom enthusiast would choose it is a definite win. But it's just so repugnant that Giselle that wants to be on the show, has a bit of talent (or at least inarguably more than P) and works as hard as she does.. She gets kicked off simply because of P's "fans." P is supposed to be this Katrina victim adopting humanitarian, but he's claiming a spot that rightfully shouldn't be his.

[SDsalsaguy]

P is...claiming a spot that rightfully shouldn't be his.
I don't think we can really say that wooh, as P isn't the one claiming that spot for himself, the voters are. Do I find it absurd? Absolutely. And I agree with you it's a shame that one of the more talented celebs, *and the one who seems to have been enjoying it the very most,* is out while P is still in.

[Laura]

I just have to throw my hands in the air and laugh about this. This is America, we're famous for voting debacles. Here's a non-political one as an example: the whole Jon Stevens thing on American Idol the year before last, when he kept getting saved although he really wanted to go home. We're just a perverse lot, we Americans, especially when it comes to pop culture and pop culture backlash.

[wooh]

I don't think we can really say that wooh, as P isn't the one claiming that spot for himself, the voters are.

Hmm, well then *keeping* a spot that isn't rightfully his may be a better wording?
And I agree Laura, voting debacles are very American! I guess I should blame myself for P getting votes. I'm known for picking losers in every election, you can pretty much candidate for candidate figure out who I voted for by seeing who lost! So I'm officially now changing my tune and endorsing P Miller for DWTS2 winner!!

[Infosaturated]

I am not a dancer, would like to be a social dancer but it isn't in the cards right now...

Hmm, well then *keeping* a spot that isn't rightfully his may be a better wording?
And I agree Laura, voting debacles are very American! I guess I should blame myself for P getting votes. I'm known for picking losers in every election, you can pretty much candidate for candidate figure out who I voted for by seeing who lost! So I'm officially now changing my tune and endorsing P Miller for DWTS2 winner!!

By the rules of the contest, it is rightfully his. The name of the game is to garner votes anyway you can. Looks, looooog legs, niceness, ability to amuse, villiany, prior dance training, anything you can think of.

The playing field was wildly uneven from the get go in the selection of participants, both pro and amateur. Some contestants have an edge in that they are better known, others have extensive general dance training which gives them an edge, still others are matched with the more experienced pros.

Once the show starts "backstories" have an enormous impact. Last year people were turned off of Trista because they had taken a dislike to her on the "Bachelor" show, or because they felt she was stuck-up, and the interaction between her and Louis was unappealing. Evander was appealing so lasted longer. Rachel made it beyond Evander on her dancing but was boring and a bit too whiney. Kelly and John both made it on a combination of dancing and personality. Whether or not Kelly should have won, she did improve dramatically each week.

Giselle was better than either George or Jerry from the perspective of dancing but they too scored higher with the public not just Master P.

I didn't care for Miller from the get go, but he is growing on me. He really did improve some. I bet most non-dancers identify with his skill level than anyone elses. Almost everyone I know believes they have two left feet. Others will console themselves with, "at least I can dance better than him". Watching him advance is actually confidence building for a lot of viewers. If he can do it, maybe they can too.

Clearly he's the worst dancer, but so what? The number he and Ashley did was very amusing. It was fun and endearing to see him having fun with it. I believe that he and Ashley got over the personal clash and came to a genuine understanding of each other, achieved mutual respect, and it showed. Great backstory.

Giselle, her only hook was "oldest woman in really great shape". From an audience perspective, her tango wasn't entertaining. Maybe that was the fault of her pro, but there wasn't any real backstory going on either. Imagining a relationship between Giselle and Jonathan is, well, ewwwww, not appealing. She wasn't going to be a front-runner, the show raised her profile, so nothing to be upset about in her going.

Jerry, his dance was awful, he clearly didn't put in the hours this week. Based on effort Miller is more deserving than Jerry is this week. Jerry is getting the football voters. He's cute. Anna is a darling, her cookie comment was priceless. Dancewise, he isn't a contender but between his dancing being "okay" and his football fans he could make it a long way. I don't care one way or another.

Stacy has the WWE voters, and she is gorgeous, the "Tony crush" storyline doesn't seem to be grabbing anyone. She is falling prey to the Rachel syndrome, enough with the legs.. but she is much more likeable and appears to be a better dancer. Great dancing but lots of people felt her scores were inflated this week vis a vis Tia and Drew. I predict her career is going to take off because she is wasted on WWE. She will get modeling gigs, maybe some spokesmodel stuff, or even an acting job on a soap.

Drew, boyband stuff of course, buz about him and Cheryl and his very pregnant wife in the audience and his brother Nick. He can dance, and people are happy to see him out of his brother's shadow. Voting for him can be defended on dance ability alone so people won't admit that if he behaved like an ass they wouldn't vote for him.

Lisa's lips are turning people off as well as "the girls" reference but the clips of her and Louis are charming, her jive was really good to the untrained eye, her husband's enthusiastic support in the audience is sweet, and Louis is a hoot. The bondage remark was priceless, viewers from last season are now happy for him and blame Trista for making him look bad last season. Good backstory but won't keep them on to the end unless Lisa's dancing keeps improving dramatically.

Tia started off slowly, but her tango was out of this world. The credit goes primarily to Max for the save. Tia's charming, sweet, nice backstory with the baby and loosing weight, for those of you who don't know Tia was model slender was gaining her some votes, but, without Max it wouldn't have gotten her far. Max's choreography was brilliant. Tony looks like he wants to do it with Stacy, Max looks like he is head over heals in love with Tia, worships her. Their tango was HOT but tragic because Tia is a new mom so he hasn't got a chance. Fabulous fantasy. It reminds me of the Kelly/Alec story of last year. Everyone was convinced there had to be a budding romance there they were just so convincing.

Each week the developing backstories coupled with the quality of the dancing will impact the voters. Voters may swarm to "save" George next week, or they may tire of his antics and decide they would rather make sure that Tia is safe. Miller could get even more votes because he and Ashley are getting fun to watch. I can't wait to see what Ashley will choreograph for the Paso Doble. It's going to be hilarious fun to watch.

A lot of the entertainment value is vested in the fact that they are ballroom dancing and I do want to see good dancing, but I also want to be entertained.

I don't think Miller can make it past the top contenders. George will go before him, possibly Lisa or Jerry. I think Stacy, Drew and Tia are the safest unless viewers swarm to save Jerry and George.

[ccc]

What this show really should do is keep everyone for the entire ten weeks and post their standings each week.

[DancePoet]

ABC's site has been down for the last 7 hours. Heh. I wonder why.
Why am I not surprised. :roll:

[DancePoet]

Perhaps the TV audience sees P dancing the way they would, and everyone else doing something wierd that they can't identify with.
Perhaps at least enough of the current audience to keep him around. ;)

However let's hope this doesn't keep going on with him much longer.

[DancePoet]

Ahh, interesting point Chris.

I'm kind of wondering if we're going to end up with some kind of weird Kelly Monaco like situation again. I remember last season, where she was just horrible on the first show, but people kept her around and she kept getting better and then won, even though she was never the best. Maybe that's the kind of thing that the great mainstream of American television viewers likes to see.

Drew looked so good...maybe it was "too" good, and people think he's some sort of ringer 'cause he was in a boy band or something like that.

It's all crazy and weird and I'm starting to think it's too pointless to try to figure out. At this point all I can do is sit back and watch with horror and fascination.
Well ... I'm torn between two phrases ...

(1.) Never underestimate the stupidity of the T.V. viewing public

and, hopefully, ...

(2.) You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

Who knows ... maybe he'll suddenly get serious and all this fretting will be for nothing. Then again, the operative word there is maybe. ;)
Or else

[DancePoet]

You are right. There wasn't that big a gap between Kelly and John (if indeed, you thought there was one...either way, either could have won the prize and at least half the audience would have been happy). If P beat out the frontrunner, say Stacy or Drew, ABC would lose all credibility with the show.
They haven't had much credibility in my eyes since last season. And let's hope there credibility doesn't hurt ballroom dancing's credibility in the process.

[DancePoet]

Here's the thing about the scoring system. As I understand it, they sum the judges' ordinals and the audience vote ordinals. As I recall, Giselle was 5th in the judges' scoring; the 6-7-8 placements were Jerry, George, and P. If the audience voted her last, then her total ordinal was 13. That means that P must have been voted no worse than 5th by the audience to also have a total ordinal of 13 (the audience vote is the tie-breaker). We know that P wasn't in the bottom two, so George was probably voted 6th by the audience which also gave him a total ordinal of 13. Jerry couldn't have been voted 7th by the audience because then his ordinal would also be 13 and he would have lost the tie-breaker to George and landed in the bottom two, and since we think we know who 5th and 6th were, then Jerry must have been voted 4th or better. This means that some other dance who is much better than P was voted 7th. If the way they announced the first two "safe" couples last night indicates that they had the top two total ordinals (that part isn't clear to me), then one of Tia, Drew, or Lisa was voted 7th by the audience. This suggests that they are the ones in the most danger next week.
Interesting assessment! The scary part is that this means P very likely could be around after next week! :shock:

Hmmm ... I'm wondering if there are enough people viewing this forum so that if someone comes up with an ingenious way to impact the vote we can find a way to get enough votes to prevent P from going all the way?

Another interesting thing about the scoring system: In the final week, the judges' marks don't matter. If the judge and audience ordinals are opposite for the final two, then they both have a total ordinal of 3, but the audience vote is the tie-breaker. So whoever wins the audience vote is the winner, no matter how the judges score.
Lovely :roll:

[DancePoet]

I loved Ashley last season with Joey and they were my choice to win. I just love to watch her dance, BUT watching her with P is not really dancing because I can't see her because of his distraction. I hope if the show has another season she gets another good partner! I would love to have seen her matched with Drew this time. If P wins this time there may not be a next season.
If he wins, I'd vote for there not to be. ;)

Well then again, if they change the rules to lessen the likelihood of having another P situation, then maybe I'd vote otherwise.

Gosh ... I just can't help thinking what this could potentially do to poorly impact the public's image of ballroom dancing.

[SDsalsaguy]

Gosh ... I just can't help thinking what this could potentially do to poorly impact the public's image of ballroom dancing.
I disagree DP, the public can vote for P and still recognize that he isn't the best dancer. More to the point, however, the professional demonstrations make it clearly visible what ballroom can look like.

[star_gazer]

The playing field was wildly uneven from the get go in the selection of participants, both pro and amateur... I think Stacy, Drew and Tia are the safest unless viewers swarm to save Jerry and George. The above is a great review! But,I am actually getting used to Lisa's lips. And I'm wondering what will Ashley do this week? All the women appeared to be having neck issues in the tango. Even Stacey seemed to lose her neck into her shoulders.

[pygmalion]

At work today, someone (not me :lol: ) took an informal poll and 75% of the people in the office (Other than me,) none of whom dance or know anything ballroom, are watching the show. Not sure what DWTS's impact will be, but there will be an impact. That's for sure. People are watching. :D

[Infosaturated]

The above is a great review! But,I am actually getting used to Lisa's lips. And I'm wondering what will Ashley do this week? All the women appeared to be having neck issues in the tango. Even Stacey seemed to lose her neck into her shoulders.

Thanks!

As a non-dancer I am swayed somewhat by the backstories but also want to see what I think of as "good dances. I agree about Lisa. The lip thing turned me off, but I was very impressed by her Jive.

The two best numbers for me were Tia's tango, and Lisa's Jive.

Tia's tango was the most passionate which is what I imagine a tango should be.

Lisa's jive was loose and fun which is what I imagine a jive should be like.

If it were not for Tia, I would have been impressed with Stacy's tango. In comparing them, Stacy's didn't have the passion and I did notice a missed step when they were doing what I can only refer to as "cross overs".

If it were not for Lisa, I would go with Drew on the jive. I saw a few missed steps on Drew's jive, and I could see that his choreography was more difficult. He was having fun, but probably because of the difficulty of the choreography he couldn't just toss himself into the dance the way Lisa seemed to. Lisa and Louis seemed to be dancing just for fun which for me is the heart of the jive.

Next week will narrow my choices. I really don't know which way I will lean. It will depend a lot on which of the dancers seem to be growing, appear to be versatile. Lisa may not be the best dancer, but she showed that she has versatility. I want to see Stacy and Tia do something fast, and I want to see Drew do something slow or dramatic or both.

You dancers split the dances by latin verses smooth (I think) but as a non-dancer I split them between fast and slow.

[swan]

Thanks!

In comparing them, Stacy's didn't have the passion and I did notice a missed step when they were doing what I can only refer to as "cross overs".

It's called the Skater's Walk :) And yes, they did miss it at the beginning & recovered.

[Infosaturated]

It's called the Skater's Walk :) And yes, they did miss it at the beginning & recovered.

Cool! Thanks for the name. :)

I just had a wicked thought. Next weeks dances are the paso doble and the foxtrot, with the couples each doing both. I started imagining how my favorite couples will do (Stacy, Drew, Tia, Lisa) and then realized something...

Miller and Ashley will be doing the Paso Doble. I am trying really hard to picture it.

I think it is going to be side-splitting funny.

What are we supposed to look for in the Paso Doble?

[star_gazer]

I think it is going to be side-splitting funny.Well, this is supposed to be entertainment. But there was some really GOOD dancing during last Friday's Paso. I'm used to having to pay a lot more to watch the professionals dance...and eight of them together! Don't think I'll see that again for awhile.

[twnkltoz]

Intense facial expressions! ;)

[ChaChaLicious]

WOW... I am truely blown away... This dance competition is turning out to be a complete joke. . . Master P. should've went this week. i understand his whole fan base cheering him on but he has no potential what so ever and should be removed from this show ASAP!!!! i was sooo disgusted watching him dance.. he just doesnt belong.. not all people can dance and thats okay and he is one of them. im really not enjoying DWTS as much as i have first season... its really one big joke now... i want to see some real competition, not a "big bafoon" (moderated to remove inflamatory reference) in a suit prancing around like fairy on the ballroom floor... he has no intellect, no sophistication, no ellegance, no posture nor poise and NO REASON to be dancing... its just wrong.. WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! i've never been so mad in my life... MASTER P... HAS GOT TO GOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Laura]

Miller and Ashley will be doing the Paso Doble. I am trying really hard to picture it.

I think it is going to be side-splitting funny.

OH my oh MY!

What are we supposed to look for in the Paso Doble?

Watch what P does, and then imagine the opposite :-)

[mamboqueen]

Lifted from the net:

"Paso-Doble: The Paso Doble is a theatrical Spanish dance that characterizes the man as the matador and the lady as his cape. Based on Flamenco dancing, the character of the dance is arrogant and passionate."

[ChaChaMama]

ChaChaLicious--

Master P may not have anything smart to say in his interviews on DWTS, but there nonetheless is some significant evidence that he IS smart.

He managed to parlay a small amount of start-up cash into a multi-million dollar fortune, turning a small record store into a music-production empire. He realized there was an on-going demand for gangsta rap and produced CDs that the public wanted to buy in HUGE quantity. His stable of talent did not include many big names, which in some ways makes his achievement all the more impressive. Working with only moderately talented artists, he racked up huge sales. In a capitalist economy, I believe that making a large amount of money using your brain and strategic abilities counts as evidence of being at least moderately smart. (And if you think you can do it better, knock yourself out!) At the very least, he's laughing all the way to the bank.

I would like to recommend that in the interest of the civility of this forum, you try to stay away from the "inflammatory refrences" moderated... You don't have to like Master P's dancing (heck, I'm not crazy about it either), but perhaps simply describing him as "clumsy," "having two left feet," or "lacking in confidence on the dance floor" would suffice.

ChaChaMama

[fascination]

in general, a return to a greater degree of civility would be appreciated.. pms to defend oneself or iron out differences, etc would be appropriate/preferable....

[Joe]

The prospect that the judges are going to have to think that way to 'strategize' P off the show is farcical. They're going to have to pre-determine their scoring before the dancers even get to dance....and what if the scores don't remotely jive with the performances....
Eh, what are the chances of that? :rolleyes:

[Pam]

At work today, someone (not me :lol: ) took an informal poll and 75% of the people in the office (Other than me,) none of whom dance or know anything ballroom, are watching the show. Not sure what DWTS's impact will be, but there will be an impact. That's for sure. People are watching. :D

A similar story, my son and his buddies (all early 20's) were hanging out at our house a couple of weeks ago and I called them down to see Stacy's rumba. It was a hit. Then, you guessed it, last show they all came over and watched the whole thing.

Even if Stacy's rumba was the hook, they're now interested and are even talking about next weeks show like it was an upcoming hockey game.

[pygmalion]

A similar story, my son and his buddies (all early 20's) were hanging out at our house a couple of weeks ago and I called them down to see Stacy's rumba. It was a hit. Then, you guessed it, last show they all came over and watched the whole thing.

Even if Stacy's rumba was the hook, they're now interested and are even talking about next weeks show like it was an upcoming hockey game.

That's pretty cool. For me, it's kind of a reality check (no pun intended) to hear what non-dance people have to say about the show. Of course DFers find DWTS entertaining. But hearing totally non dance-oriented people have their say validates the show's appeal, at least to me. :cool:

[Infosaturated]

That's pretty cool. For me, it's kind of a reality check (no pun intended) to hear what non-dance people have to say about the show. Of course DFers find DWTS entertaining. But hearing totally non dance-oriented people have their say validates the show's appeal, at least to me. :cool:

In that case, for another story, the kids in my daughter's high school graduating class have decided to try to arrange for someone to teach them all one dance for the Prom as a direct result of DWTS. They are contacting local dance studios to see what they can arrange. They ALL want to do it, bar none. They know they won't be good at it. The public stumblings of people like Kenny, Evander and Miller have made it okay to dance even if you aren't good at it. It's okay to just have fun trying.

One of the teachers knows how to waltz so some of them want him to teach them that. This teacher is known for being academically strict and wasn't popular with the students. When he was showing a couple of "eggheads" some steps and they were all laughing other students approached and now a bunch of them are pestering him to teach waltzing instead of math and science. It's become the buzz around the school. Did you know Mr. X DANCES!!!!!

[pygmalion]

Did you know Mr. X DANCES!!!!!

That's great! So now, instead of being Mister Nerd, he's Mister Cool. :D

[arianiah]

I for one am really getting annoyed with Master P. continuing on. I mean I'm sorry i'm not one of the fans that watches american idol for the first month because i don't like hearing the screeching hounds that think they can sing. I don't call that entertaining unless you are drunk at a kareoke bar. Another reason I don't drink. I am a fan of Kelly M. but for real- I thought Rachel should have beat her out. So if this is like a "Most Improved" winning story sure give it up for Master P. and i love how ashly keeps it within his level. But its not enough for me. I just hope it doesn't end up the same way as the last season with sloppy joe taking the fame because of the popularity of the person not their talent. I am so sick of it. I wonder what would happen if we could vote off the girls on the bachelor? hmmm..........

[pygmalion]

Vote off the girls on The Bachelor? (Sorry. I don't watch it, so I don't get the reference. :? )

[arianiah]

just imagine if the bachelor ended up with a girl that the audience chose...instead of the one that he would have had

[pygmalion]

Oh. Okay. So you're commenting on the judges' voting process. Got it. :cool:

[moother]

ARIANIAH!!!!
You are so right! I would love to be able to vote on the bachelor instead of him getting to pick! LOL

[pygmalion]

I never have understood why people watch all these "reality" shows. DWTS I understand, since it involves ballroom dancing. The others (all bazillion of them) I just don't understand. What's the appeal? :?

[africana]

thanks ChaChaMama :)

[pygmalion]

Yeah. She's articulate, isn't she? :)

[pygmalion]

Okay. So, from what I'm reading here, the major problem (in viewers' eyes, at least) is with the scoring set-up. So how could it be better? (I ask in all innocence, since I have no idea how the scoring and judging are supposed to work.)

And, on the Master P topic, didn't anybody here watch the original Real World or any of the shows since ( the idea behind all this reality TV cr*p? ) The basic idea is that the show producers make sure to include a couple really annoying contestants. That keeps the ratings up.

Don't forget. This show is only peripherally about dancing. (My opinion only. :cool: ) It's about getting ratings and revenue for ABC, first. If getting ticked off at bad dancing will make people watch, then bad dancing there'll be. My two cents. :wink: :cool:

[Infosaturated]

Okay. So, from what I'm reading here, the major problem (in viewers' eyes, at least) is with the scoring set-up. So how could it be better? (I ask in all innocence, since I have no idea how the scoring and judging are supposed to work.)

And, on the Master P topic, didn't anybody here watch the original Real World or any of the shows since ( the idea behind all this reality TV cr*p? ) The basic idea is that the show producers make sure to include a couple really annoying contestants. That keeps the ratings up.

Don't forget. This show is only peripherally about dancing. (My opinion only. :cool: ) It's about getting ratings and revenue for ABC, first. If getting ticked off at bad dancing will make people watch, then bad dancing there'll be. My two cents. :wink: :cool:

No, you're right in my opinion. If the scoring were changed to give greater weight to the judges they would lose a significant chunk of the viewers because it would be too easy to predict the winner. I would still watch, and many others would too, but the sports bars wouldn't be tuning in.

[DancePoet]

What this show really should do is keep everyone for the entire ten weeks and post their standings each week.
Hmmm ... this might be a good way to do it. :cool:

[DancePoet]

I disagree DP, the public can vote for P and still recognize that he isn't the best dancer. More to the point, however, the professional demonstrations make it clearly visible what ballroom can look like.
I hope so! :cheers:

[DancePoet]

At work today, someone (not me :lol: ) took an informal poll and 75% of the people in the office (Other than me,) none of whom dance or know anything ballroom, are watching the show. Not sure what DWTS's impact will be, but there will be an impact. That's for sure. People are watching. :D
The number of people taking lessons at one local studio where I am are definitely up. Social dance attendance in this area has been huge recently, too! :D

[DancePoet]

Lifted from the net:

"Paso-Doble: The Paso Doble is a theatrical Spanish dance that characterizes the man as the matador and the lady as his cape. Based on Flamenco dancing, the character of the dance is arrogant and passionate."
If P brings out a real cape to ham things up, then we'll likely be stuck with him for another week. :roll:

[Infosaturated]

I never have understood why people watch all these "reality" shows. DWTS I understand, since it involves ballroom dancing. The others (all bazillion of them) I just don't understand. What's the appeal? :?

I don't "get" all of them either, but of them Survivor was a favorite. It's fun to pick favorites and to study human behavior. The contestants all have different strategies and you never know who will win, which is the most important part. I sometimes like Amazing Race too but less so.

DWTS has mixed up a whole bunch of components to create a winning show. Heros and villians, glamourous costumes, stars known and unknown.

The judges are also playing parts. Len knows darn well what the rules are for American Smooth, it doesn't really matter. The judges aren't all ballroom judges and the judging criteria is non-existant because all they have to do is put the dancers in general order from best to worst which is pretty obvious from the get go.

What makes it interesting is that the viewers get to strategize. Should they vote for one couple, or spread out their votes to keep their favorites safe, or should they focus on the next to last in the hopes of getting rid of someone they don't like?

[DancePoet]

In that case, for another story, the kids in my daughter's high school graduating class have decided to try to arrange for someone to teach them all one dance for the Prom as a direct result of DWTS. They are contacting local dance studios to see what they can arrange. They ALL want to do it, bar none. They know they won't be good at it. The public stumblings of people like Kenny, Evander and Miller have made it okay to dance even if you aren't good at it. It's okay to just have fun trying.

One of the teachers knows how to waltz so some of them want him to teach them that. This teacher is known for being academically strict and wasn't popular with the students. When he was showing a couple of "eggheads" some steps and they were all laughing other students approached and now a bunch of them are pestering him to teach waltzing instead of math and science. It's become the buzz around the school. Did you know Mr. X DANCES!!!!!
Great story! There really is some good coming from having this show on T.V. :D :D :D

[DancePoet]

I wonder what would happen if we could vote off the girls on the bachelor? hmmm..........
I suspect the ratings would go up. ;) :lol:

[DancePoet]

Okay. So, from what I'm reading here, the major problem (in viewers' eyes, at least) is with the scoring set-up. So how could it be better? (I ask in all innocence, since I have no idea how the scoring and judging are supposed to work.)

And, on the Master P topic, didn't anybody here watch the original Real World or any of the shows since ( the idea behind all this reality TV cr*p? ) The basic idea is that the show producers make sure to include a couple really annoying contestants. That keeps the ratings up.

Don't forget. This show is only peripherally about dancing. (My opinion only. :cool: ) It's about getting ratings and revenue for ABC, first. If getting ticked off at bad dancing will make people watch, then bad dancing there'll be. My two cents. :wink: :cool:
Ayuh, it's all about ratings and ad revenue.

[Purr]

Okay. So, from what I'm reading here, the major problem (in viewers' eyes, at least) is with the scoring set-up. So how could it be better? (I ask in all innocence, since I have no idea how the scoring and judging are supposed to work.)

I think that instead of viewers voting for their favorite couple, the couple they would like to come back next week, they should be voting for their least favorite couple, the couple they don't want to come back next week. In other words, vote for the one you don't like.

[mamboqueen]

I think that instead of viewers voting for their favorite couple, the couple they would like to come back next week, they should be voting for their least favorite couple, the couple they don't want to come back next week. In other words, vote for the one you don't like.


Yup!

[Medira]

I think that would be a much better idea...especially when you're having trouble deciding who you want to vote for because you have a couple of favourite couples.

[skwiggy]

But that would make it much easier for the public to get rid of the "villains". And without villains, reality tv is no fun.

[Infosaturated]

But that would make it much easier for the public to get rid of the "villains". And without villains, reality tv is no fun.

That, and very negative hit to the star getting voted off. This way it is a combination of judge's score and fan votes, the other way, it is viewers saying specifically that they don't want you. No celebrity in their right mind is going to sign up for a show that gets them voted off based on active negative viewer feedback. They might as well kiss their career goodbye. This way, not getting enough votes doesn't mean people hate you, just that you have fewer fans than the others. A vote from the audience saying "we want you gone" is much worse.

[wooh]

They could change it for one week, that way the people watching would know, and the people blindly dialing P's number just to mess with the show wouldn't know, hehe. (But since I"m probably loading a couple phone #s into my phone to blindly call after my dance lesson (won't be home in time to vote), I'd end up voting off someone I liked then. Oh well...