Dancing with the Stars II - Week 4

[mamboqueen]

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who thinks that (though that's not quite the word I'd use!). I enjoy watching Drew from the thighs down, but find the way he carries his shoulders and head oddly disturbing.


Well, so just focus on the torso. We all have our *parts* LOL! I find from the knees down a little bothersome. It's the pigeon-toes, I think. But, I still enjoy him thoroughly.

[mamboqueen]

Lisa & Louis are up!

[mamboqueen]

OMG! This music sucks!

[Larinda McRaven]

once again the music is atrocious.
Louis is so in his element with this dance though

[mamboqueen]

How can you get the character of the dance with this crap?

[waltzgirl]

Well, so just focus on the torso. We all have our *parts* LOL! I find from the knees down a little bothersome. It's the pigeon-toes, I think. But, I still enjoy him thoroughly.


LOL! Actually, I'm cheating from the West Coast, so I haven't seen his Paso yet. I'm remembering his jive last week.

[mamboqueen]

I'd have to give them 7's because of the music....

I don't like that dress at all either.

[cornutt]

I was right. It was like the American Idol audition show last night. Louis and Lisa worked their butts off, but that was just plain a bad idea.

[Larinda McRaven]

it is a very paso dress though

[mamboqueen]

I dunno. I think they're overpraising her. I didn't really think it was *that* good.

[SDsalsaguy]

...but that was just plain a bad idea.
What was?

[fascination]

totally agree MQ...she was still very stiff.of course he was awesome but she looked terrified and rigid...ewww..didnt work for me at all....

[Larinda McRaven]

What was?

the music?

[fascination]

music so far except for jerry's number has been...bleck

[Ithink]

I think it was her best, personally. She had the character of it down...

[LXC]

Like both Drew and Lisa. This show is so much better than the first season! Didn't I say that last week? I'm getting hooked.:D

Personally I think Lisa has shown the most improvement. Great job, Louis!

[cornutt]

What was?

Doing paso to that song. Heck, doing anything with that song. If you're going to do an '80s song, I could come up with about 10,000 that would be better. And the band's lame rendition made it even worse. Who came up with that arrangement? It was like listening to that guy on Idol last week who kept repeating the first line of "I Shot The Sheriff" over and over and over...

[mamboqueen]

The song was "The Final Countdown". Wasn't that from a movie? One of the Rocky movies, maybe?

If I had looked at just Lisa doing that dance, I wouldn't have known it was paso. Of course, Louis compensated.

[RhumbaWaltz]

I liked the Lisa and Louis' intro. Her girls are so cute!
And I've decided that I would like a pro to follow me around all day so that we can practice during my lunch hour and on days when my boss is out of the office! :)
RW

[fascination]

I thought drew did quite well...I still think lisa was rigid

[mamboqueen]

I liked the Lisa and Louis' intro. Her girls are so cute!
And I've decided that I would like a pro to follow me around all day so that we can practice during my lunch hour and on days when my boss is out of the office! :)
RW


No kidding!!!

[fascination]

The song was "The Final Countdown". Wasn't that from a movie? One of the Rocky movies, maybe?

If I had looked at just Lisa doing that dance, I wouldn't have known it was paso. Of course, Louis compensated.yes he did:cool:

[mamboqueen]

9, 9, 8


too generous for me.

[mamboqueen]

Although she got the right hairdo....

[fascination]

yes and yes

[cornutt]

The song was "The Final Countdown". Wasn't that from a movie? One of the Rocky movies, maybe?


It was done by a self-important '80s hair band whose name escapes me at the moment. It wasn't written for a movie originally, but it's been used in several.

[Larinda McRaven]

I have to say that even though P should go... I believe he will make it through again and George is on his way out. Everyone else is really rather good.

[mamboqueen]

Judges scoring:

Drew & Cheryl
Stacy & Tony
Lisa & Louis
Max & Tia
Jerry & Anna
George & Edyta
P & Ashley

[Larinda McRaven]

Pusycat Dolls tomorrow night? Ack I will mis it.

[SDsalsaguy]

Thanks for the play-by-play all you East Coasters!

Now I have to wait an hour and a half to see everything for myself... :(

[RhumbaWaltz]

Do we know the dances for next week?

[cornutt]

I dug up the phone numbers from last week's thread:

1-800-868-34nn:

05 Drew
01 George
08 Giselle
02 Lisa
07 P
04 Stacy
06 Tia

[GJB]

Tomorrow there's a Salsa demo. I wonder who?

[SDsalsaguy]

I dug up the phone numbers from last week's thread:

1-800-868-34nn:

05 Drew
01 George
08 Giselle
02 Lisa
07 P
04 Stacy
06 Tia
Are you sure they're the same this week? There is one less person afetr all..

[mamboqueen]

What haven't we had yet?

Cha cha and Samba

VW & ?

[cornutt]

Are you sure they're the same this week? There is one less person afetr all..

They've kept the same numbers every week. They just deactivate the ones for the couples who have been eliminated. I guess they're trying to avoid an American Idol phone number screwup.

[SDsalsaguy]

Tomorrow there's a Salsa demo. I wonder who?
Yesenia and Rodrigo -- from LA, and from the earlier rounds of "So You Think You Can Dance?"

[SDsalsaguy]

They've kept the same numbers every week. They just deactivate the ones for the couples who have been eliminated. I guess they're trying to avoid an American Idol phone number screwup.
Wow, you mean they got something right??? :shock: :shock: :shock:


Who knew? :lol:

[cornutt]

What haven't we had yet?

Cha cha and Samba

VW & ?

I believe they are all doing a group VW next week.

[cornutt]

Oh, and I still want to know who the Asterisk Cat Dolls are... :D

Good night, all. You Westies have fun.

[Ithink]

The boys did cha cha the first week so cha cha was done already...

I voted online for Jerry!! I have a huge crush on the man:)

[RhumbaWaltz]

Bolero, salsa, swing? I think they did cha cha the first week.

[SDsalsaguy]

Bolero, salsa, swing?None of those are International style dances, so no, not on this show.

[fascination]

Thanks for the play-by-play all you East Coasters!

Now I have to wait an hour and a half to see everything for myself... :(whatever will you do in the meantime?;)

[RhumbaWaltz]

None of those are International style dances, so no, not on this show.

Rookie mistake on my part! :)
RW

[SDsalsaguy]

whatever will you do in the meantime?;) Hmmm, I wonder....

...type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type,type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type,type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type,type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type, type,type, type, type, type...

[fascination]

:rolleyes: that was NOT what I was thinking sir

[SDsalsaguy]

Rookie mistake on my part! :)
RW
Well, you never know. Since they've moved from last season's 6 couples to 10 this season, it is possible. Still, given Len's ongoing comments about International style issues and "flavor," it still seems unlikely to me...

[SDsalsaguy]

:rolleyes: that was NOT what I was thinking sir It wasn't? Then whatever did you mean? ;)

[mamboqueen]

Well they only let me vote 7x on each phone. That's annoyng.

[mamboqueen]

I see a few of you in here who haven't commented...any comments? don't be shy :)

[fascination]

you will just have to use your very vivid imagination...while typing of course...:rolleyes: ...

[fascination]

Well they only let me vote 7x on each phone. That's annoyng.pull yourself together woman...slap slap

[mamboqueen]

pull yourself together woman...slap slap


Have a phone I can borrow??

:friend:

[fascination]

yeah....how are you at writing dissertations...perhaps we can help each other out....ivote for tony in the tub with a midwesterner btw..

[SDsalsaguy]

you will just have to use your very vivid imagination...while typing of course...:rolleyes: ...
Oh reeeeeeeaaaaaaaalllllllllyyyyyyyyy? :raisebro:

[Big10]

I dug up the phone numbers from last week's thread:

1-800-868-34nn:

05 Drew
01 George
08 Giselle
02 Lisa
07 P
04 Stacy
06 Tia
You forgot Jerry, whose last two digits are 09.

This week I would be worried about George, Lisa, and Master P. George's 7's were way too generous (way too many gimmicks and Edyta was working as hard as Ashly has to), and that resulted in some score inflation for the other dancers. Lisa just seems freakishly excited, and I don't know how that will play for the viewers. The pre-dance clip of Master P in Utah was interesting, but Ashly didn't too him too many favors with her comments afterwards. The co-host seemed rougher than usual with him as well.

[moother]

I definitely thought he was the best of the night and that was even with the THRILLER music! That young man works hard and gives it all he can! I loved his cape work too.
As for costumes I LOVED the Purple on Stacy and she did well too, just didn't grab me
I almost fainted when I heard that P has only practiced 20 hours but I don't know why I was surprised because it shows in his footwork! I do love Ashley and I think she hates dancing with him but I think she really likes him as a person.

[fascination]

oh hey that reminds me...we have lots of really interesting threads that newcomers might really have an interset in...be sure to check them out ya'll....

[fascination]

Oh reeeeeeeaaaaaaaalllllllllyyyyyyyyy? :raisebro:I knew you could do it if you tried....:cool: enjoy, my friend....but do be careful about what you type:cool: bats eyelashes

[fascination]

did I mention that we have some awesome helpful threads that everyone should check out? lots of very useful stuff there...but keep your grubby hands off the admin:cool:

[fascination]

okay...time for bed now...some of us did not have an early morning kitty nap....probably see you in the IRU...kiss kiss

[Big10]

I almost fainted when I heard that P has only practiced 20 hours but I don't know why I was surprised because it shows in his footwork! I do love Ashley and I think she hates dancing with him but I think she really likes him as a person.
I was a bit surprised at how little Master P has practiced, too. :? Nevertheless, I honestly think Ashly enjoyed dancing with him in the previous weeks, but it was obvious she was frustrated during the dance this week.

[Larinda McRaven]

Oh, and I still want to know who the Asterisk Cat Dolls are... :D

Good night, all. You Westies have fun.

Pusycat Dolls... but the filter won't let me spell it out correctly.

[mamboqueen]

Oh...did someone mention some new threads? *LOL*

[mamboqueen]

Pusycat Dolls... but the filter won't let me spell it out correctly.


Pretty interesting since someone got "bitchslap" in earlier....

[mamboqueen]

So, predictions on who gets the boot tomorrow night?

[Infosaturated]

Seven vote limit this week because there were seven couples. Next week the total per line will be six.

[mamboqueen]

ohhhh! thank you for enlightening me. I thought it was 10/week.

[mamboqueen]

Okay. I'll start. I think it will be George.

[Infosaturated]

And thanks for the play by play everyone, I couldn't have standed it without any news at all.

[mamboqueen]

2 hours to go??? Enjoy it!

[SDsalsaguy]

2 hours to go??? Enjoy it!
Nope... "only" 47 minutes...

[twnkltoz]

All right folks, are there going to be more than 3 of us this week?

[twnkltoz]

West coasters, I've started a thread for us again.

[SDsalsaguy]

Unfortunately my internet access is nowhere near the TV... :?

[twnkltoz]

Sorry Jonathan! Mine's around the corner but close enough that I can come back in between!

[SDsalsaguy]

Dag nabbit, wish this was easier!

Actually, it's sort of funny... last week when I was on the phone with Larinda we kidded that it would make a geat addition to the "You know you're a DWTS addict when..." thread if I had to write: "...when you wire your apartment for wireless internet in order to type about DWTS while watching it!" :lol:

[SDsalsaguy]

West coasters, I've started a thread for us again.
Thanks twnkltoz. We'll merge it in to this thread after the West Coast airing. :)

[twnkltoz]

Here we go! (or, here I go as the case may be...)

[twnkltoz]

George was entertaining as always. I wouldn't say he was good exactly, but fun and cute.

[Bradamant]

Rats, I just got home and missed Georgie-Porgie.

[Bradamant]

Tia and Max had a cute routine.

[twnkltoz]

Tia, showmanshipwise was great. She was awfully rough though. Too bad.

[Bradamant]

I need to count the mpm in that Fox. Curious how fast it was.

[twnkltoz]

Wow. I didn't expect them to score so high.

[Dance4Ever]

I've lurked on this thread for quite some time but decided to take the plunge and join the party! I must say the best part of this season of DWTS is the back stories and jokes by the celebrities/pros. The Tony bath tub scene was absolutely hilarious !

I think Lisa is the most improved of the celebrities. It is quite inspiring to see that with constant handwork, tangible and measurable improvement can be seen. And of course, I loved the zombie fingers in Drew/Cheryl’s dance. Memories of the good old Micheal Jackson days came flooding in!

A lot of people are upset about the voting system and how it makes poor dancers like Master P to remain on the show. I for one have no problems with the voting system. The fact that people rush to their phone to vote for their favorite celebrity keeps them involved and hopefully will translate into interest in giving our beloved sport/art a shot.

[twnkltoz]

Well. P was...P. About like last week.

[Bradamant]

P looks like he is stealing himself for the comments.

[waltzgirl]

Welcome, Dance4Ever! We'd love to have your input on other topics, too.

[chachachacat]

That was awful!

[Bradamant]

His Jive made me smile last week at least. This week I had to cover my eyes and sneak looks through my fingers.

[gusmahler]

I can't believe the female judge said this was P's best performance. Admittedly, I'm not a dancer, but he looked like absolute crap this week. Last week, he was passable. This week, nope. I will be upset if he doesn't get eliminated this week.

That said, to me, Ashley is the most appealing female pro, both in looks and attitude. It'll be sad to see her go.

[twnkltoz]

LOL Bradamant.

Tia scored higher than I expected.

What is with the descriptions of what the judges are looking for?? They make it sound like these are compulsory movements.

[swan]

I love the costumes this week. Everyone was stunning. Every week goes by, I have more & more respect for Max! Love their foxtrot. Yes, footwork was messy, this & that. But it was a lovely performance.

I absolutely despise P. He can't even put up a Paso face (we know he can't dance, but he could try to do what George did!)

[Bradamant]

TT: Tony in Tails

[Bradamant]

Foxtrot to an oldtime country song. Hmm. I'll have to ponder that.

[twnkltoz]

That wasn't Stacey's best but it was nice. The free work was good, but her footwork was weak.

[gusmahler]

20 hours of practice for P compared to 130 for everyone else. That's just sad.

As for Stacy, I don't think any of the competitors seem as happy to be dancing as she does.

[swan]

That interview was so funny! Tony was great. The salad comment & for him to sit in the tub & said - you thought you're getting Stacey. Ha...

OK, the foxtrot. Her movement was weak. It didn't flow as well as Tia & Max's, IMHO.

She's got great flexibility, beautiful top line, leg line, etc. But somehow she cannot move! For smooth dances, you've got to move. She seemed to just step from foot to foot, transferring her weight all right, but no gliding...

[chachachacat]

I thought she did a beautiful job. 9.

[Bradamant]

And she seemed inordinately tentative at times. (I am on a "t" kick, I think . . .)

[Bradamant]

She's got great flexibility, beautiful top line, leg line, etc. But somehow she cannot move! For smooth dances, you've got to move. She seemed to just step from foot to foot, transferring her weight all right, but no gliding...


I agree. I was thinking she needs to get into her knees a lot more.

[twnkltoz]

Drew was overly choppy IMO, but I don't know much about paso either. Otherwise quite good. Also, I like paso to be done to the traditional song...I just can't see it to Thriller!

[gusmahler]

Reading about Stacy looking around the room before saying "we're all trying hard" is nothing compared to watching her do that. I fell out of my chair laughing when she looked around the room and said what she said.

Back to P, the backstage interviewer was really harsh on him. She's been a fluff interview before today.

[swan]

That was quite a thrilling performance by Drew & Cheryl! The best of the night, IMHO. He had the stomping feet, the facial expression, the whole package! I was very impressed.

[twnkltoz]

Maybe they're trying to ensure he doesn't go through?

[Bradamant]

Yes, Thriller not so thrilling.

Drew did really well though. Other than hungry ears trying to snack on his shoulders again this week, he had pretty darn good posture this time.

I liked the capework. Just because. I'm a sucker for spectacle. :p

[Bradamant]

Why are they making out like Jerry is skittish about taking ballet? He is famous for having taken quite a bit in the past in furtherance of his football career. :confused:

[Dance4Ever]

Thanks waltzgirl. This is a great forum with lots of useful information.

[twnkltoz]

Jerry was ok. I don't think he's improved much since the beginning. Frame is pretty good, but movement was choppy. Doesn't seem to have any foot strength?

[twnkltoz]

8? no way.

[gusmahler]

Agreed about Jerry. He seemed off. Yet the judges loved him. With his fan base, he's sure to continue.

[swan]

I gave him an 8 on that one. Considering the stiff foxtrot competition, he didn't do too badly. His posture was nice & he did glide more than Stacy! I thought he made huge improvement over last week.

I hope he stays. George is entertaining, but he doesn't dance. Master P, we've already beaten that horse to death.

[twnkltoz]

WOW Lisa was like a totally different person! If anyone is this season's Kimberly, I think it's her. She's really coming along.

[Bradamant]

I haven't liked her dancing before this week - at all - but I have to say she did much better with this one. IMO. Good job.

I think the darkened hair suits her better too. Takes the gaze up . . .

[twnkltoz]

And the lips didn't look as weird. Great scores! She's cute how excited she gets.

[swan]

I think Lisa did ok. Her legs were stiff. I still think Tia danced better than Lisa this week, thus, I didn't agree w/ the score...

Hopefully no huge surprise tomorrow (meaning if George or P goes, that's not a surprise).

[chachachacat]

Congrats to Drew for doing "The Man's Dance" justice. It's all on the man in this dance, and he was equal to the task. I would have LOVED a pro/am student with that much talent!

[chachachacat]

Welcome, Dance4ever! Love your avatar.

[twnkltoz]

BTW, I watched Skating With Celebrities all the way through for the first time this week. I like their scoring system better!!

[SDsalsaguy]

Welcome, Dance4Ever! We'd love to have your input on other topics, too.
Ditto! :D

[Ralph]

I love that song "Don't let me be misunderstood"!

[bjp22tango]

I have to wait to get a tape to see the performances, but it sounds like the music selections were really attrocious this year.

Please don't let me be misunderstood would make a better Cha Cha than a Paso Doble, I would think, not that it is either of them but the arrangement...

Does anyone know who picks the music?

Last year the teachers got to pick didn't they? Which is why John/Charlotte always had recognizable dance music?

Even if they had to choose current music for the dances you would think there would be better pieces suited to the march of the Paso Doble.

A few years ago someone made Paso Doble arrangements out of Don't Cry For Me Argentina, the theme from Titanic and a few other current songs of the day. They didn't do anything for me, but at least they conformed to the Paso Doble feel. How about a Paso Doble arrangement of a James Bond theme? They are all overly dramatic.

[fascination]

Pretty interesting since someone got "bitchslap" in earlier....yeah I edited someone on that yesterday morning elsewhere in the forum

[fascination]

Unfortunately my internet access is nowhere near the TV... :?I have to run upstairs and downstairs at every commercial...I can t even imagine how insane my family thinks(knows) I am

[alemana]

i watched the show on a big screen with no sound, as i did last week, so my experience of it is quite different than most other peoples'. considering how grating the music is and how inane the panel commentary is, having the sound off is mostly a blessing.

from a purely visual point of view, then, the overwhelmingly best performance imho was Drew and Cheryl's. Tia and Max were less dramatic but also very good, and we sort of were floored by how lovely Lisa looked in that lace and ruffle paso dress. we both LOVED it and thought she'd improved almost freakishly dramatically. i also really appreciated seeing how the personal relationship that L. and L. purportedly has comes across in their dancing - in how she trusts him, in how they look at each other, in how they experience the judging *together.* yes, she was extremely excited afterward, but her involvement was so sincere and her joy so palpable, personally i found it exceedingly *******ing. ballroom types become so jaded so quickly - but lisa is living every moment fully right now, no irony, no distancing herself from the experience. a good lesson for me.

the contrast between the expressiveness of the stars this season versus last season is overwhelming. kelly monaco won last season with a consistently wooden face and practically nonexistent body action - she did steps but very rarely did she dance.

in comparison, this season we have a non-excellent dancer (Tia) whose ability to emote and characterize the dances is so strong that she's making it into the final rounds. (she is also being groomed and costumed very persuasively. her updo's are gorgeous.) we have Drew, whose physical limitations are easily seen, but who is working the flavor so hard he's beating the female celebs pretty handily - a very notable achievement, for reasons we all understand. we have Lisa, who has evolved in a few short weeks from "step. pose. step. pose" to forming a visible bond with her instructor and dancing *with him* with genuine feeling and enthusiasm.

the ratings are slipping this season and some tv critics have come out saying the skating show is trumping DWTS. this show definitely does not have the legs of an American Idol or Survivor, but even these two seasons have done more to expose ballroom dancing than anything else we're likely to see anytime soon. i've personally handed out a dozen recommendations for studios and teachers in the past month alone - if i were a less ethical person, i'd be making money teaching ballroom myself right now, that's how intense the demand is at the moment.

[Phil Owl]

WOW Lisa was like a totally different person! If anyone is this season's Kimberly, I think it's her. She's really coming along.

Definitely, Lisa did really well for sure! I also enjoyed Stacy's and Tia's as well as Drew and Cheryl's performances a ton!

Jerry seems to have stalled at a plateau.

And for the love of God, WHEN IS THAT IDIOT MASTER P GOING TO GET THE BOOT???? I feel so sorry for Ashly getting stuck with him. GRRRRRRRRRR!!!

[Infosaturated]

Does anyone know who picks the music?

Last year the teachers got to pick didn't they? Which is why John/Charlotte always had recognizable dance music?

Even if they had to choose current music for the dances you would think there would be better pieces suited to the march of the Paso Doble.


Last year Alex said that for most dances they were each given 3 to 5 music selections to choose from that had been prepared by the band, with the exception of the Paso Doble, for which they had no choice.

This year, apparently George rejected the Paso Doble music they were given and was offered the Matator from Latin Jam 5.

I think the issue is the band has to have learned the music. If you think about it, the pros on this show are consumate professionals. They wouldn't choose to dance to these weird choices if they had better ones.

I suspect the contracts require them to choose from the show's selection so no one thought to "revolt" before George.

Last year I felt it was unfair that John and Charlotte got all the traditional appropriate music in their choices.

[Infosaturated]

Raphael's blog has the dances up now :)

He is such an angel to get them up so fast!

[moother]

Why are they making out like Jerry is skittish about taking ballet? He is famous for having taken quite a bit in the past in furtherance of his football career. :confused:

I thought Lynn Swan was the guy that took ballet?

[Infosaturated]

It's a shame that most of the voting will be based on last week's show not this week's.

The phone lines open before the dancing begins, and with the complaints of the lines being jammed many people will have voted before seeing the contestants dance.

Therefore, I predict George will go home this week, and Miller next week because it has been revealed that he isn't practicing, and Ashley was so clearly suffering. She didn't even make the "call" sign when their number was being announced.

[patois]

I've lurked on this thread for quite some time but decided to take the plunge and join the party!

A lot of people are upset about the voting system and how it makes poor dancers like Master P to remain on the show. I for one have no problems with the voting system. The fact that people rush to their pir favorite celebrity keeps them involved and hopefully will translate into interest in giving our beloved sport/art a shot.

Splish, splash...the sound of me diving into DWTS thread as well. I've been known to do a bit of lurking myself.

I have no problem w/the voting system either, but this time with respect to Master P, it just isn't working. The voting for him has little to do w/his ability to dance and improve. It's more a statement having to do with his own agenda. The show is not improved by his continuing to be there, obviously waay beyond his time to go. In the big picture I agree that the voting system will hopefully translate into greater interest in our sport, but most of P's voters won't be hitting the dance floors!

Love the show. Love more to dance!

[alemana]

i don't care if it's the 'voting system' or the costuming or the fake erotic tension between the couples.... whatever gets more eyeballs on ballroom is fine with me. we all know that nothing produces interest like conflict - it is the basis of all drama - so if the producers want to enlist P to be their Problem Child this season, and he's willing to play along, i honestly don't care if he WINS the contest.

[patois]

i don't care if it's the 'voting system' or the costuming or the fake erotic tension between the couples.... whatever gets more eyeballs on ballroom is fine with me. we all know that nothing produces interest like conflict - it is the basis of all drama - so if the producers want to enlist P to be their Problem Child this season, and he's willing to play along, i honestly don't care if he WINS the contest.

You may well see him win! Looks like P has as good a chance at it as those who are actually dancing! I wonder, tho, if the producers are so delighted w/P and his entertainment value. Last night's show was full of pleas all around to eliminate him. Unfortunatly I won't be tuning in tonight to see if P is still in the running -- actually I won't be tuning in tonight because there's a class/party at the Stardust Ballroom and my dancing shoes are calling me!

[smoozer]

but most of P's voters won't be hitting the dance floors!


Please tell me how you know that those who vote for P will not be hitting the dance floors.

Someone please tell me who are the people that vote for Master P.

[DancePoet]

Just for laughs, I read through the message board on the Dancing with the Stars website. Some of the fans are reporting they're voting for Master P irrespective of how he dances, just so they can control the outcome of the show. They also said they are telling all their friends to vote for Master P too, and "Vote for Master P" websites are starting to spring up. I ran searches on Google, Yahoo, MSN and Ask Jeeves, and it seems a number of radio stations have "Vote for Master P" hype on their sites, as do other sites.
Lovely. :roll:

[DancePoet]

Does anyone think the show will return if he should win???

I bet ABC execs are all huddled in a conference room pondering this. Crisis mode!
:lol:

[DancePoet]

:raisebro: All of my son's little friends keep IM'ing me thinking he's online. What's up with this? Wonder if I shoud chat with the girls to discourage them....hmm...
:lol: :lol:

[delamusica]

Back to P, the backstage interviewer was really harsh on him. She's been a fluff interview before today.

True, but I was glad that somebody finally called his bluff about "giving 110%" when he's obviously not. It's hard to argue with statistics comparing his hours of practice to the hundreds of hours of other performers' practices.

And how he kept trying to say that the judges aren't scoring him well because they don't like his music? Sheesh.

[moother]

They have scored him badly because he dances badly. I think the people that vote for him may have done so originally because he is the underdog and people love underdogs, but now they are voting for him just to prove it can be done.
To bad really because when it really was a dance competition it was great. At least until it's over I can at least watch the other teams dance and enjoy it.

[ChaChaLicious]

i really hope that on tonights results show master p will be eliminated.. its not fair to other competitors who are working so hard. he isnt talented (not at dancing at least) and shows no potential on the dance floor. i feel so bad for ashley because she got eliminated last season and this season she got stuck with a not so great partner again.. i hope master p is gone tonight!

[new-ish]

When this season started, I thought Lisa Rinna would be out on the first or second night, but I think she might make it to the finals. She is working very hard, but it also shows how critical the match with the Pro and Choreography are. Jerry Rice's partner Anna is a beautiful dancer, but I don't think her choreography works to his advantage (but he definitely has a fanbase.)

As for Master P, look at the bright side if he makes it another week...Ashly Delgrosso!

[DancePoet]

Hamilton's Paso didn't do it for me. He'll be lucky if he is still around next week. His scores were way higher then they should be. It leads me to believe the judges were leaving plenty of room to mark P down as far as they felt they could if he did poorly.

Tia and Max did very well. Loved it when they showed Max's students! Plenty of expression through the dance. Choreography worked nicely, yet when she returns to Latin, I wonder how much improvement will be there. The scores again seemed to show they were looking to mark P down if he did poorly.

What a contrast between Ashly bringing P to meet family and Max bringing Tia to meet his students. Sheesh. :roll: And he blantantly promoted his shoes and his album ... not surprising. ;) And 20 hours compared to 120 hours of practice ... ayuh, it shows. If I wrote more here, I'd likely be repeating myself from another thread.

Stacy and Tony did well. Seemed like there was some hesitancy shown, and the flow somehow seemed more stiff then Tia/Max. I'm wondering why this is, but not sure. Could the ballet training be effecting this?

Drew and Cheryl seemed to do well, too. His job is very difficult with this dance, particularly with only a week to train. Yet their scores seemed high, and this seemed to be the trend with all the couples last night.

Jerry's foxtrot showed he is making an effort with perhaps a slight increase in his ability. His attitude still seems right on, and I suspect because he is learning the lead for this it doesn't look quite as nice as the ladies who gave this dance a shot. Oh well.

(It seems interesting that Foxtrot was paired to Paso Doble.)

Lisa and Louis seemed to be what I would expect from a pro-am pairing like this. He is definitely doing a good job trying to work with her effort, even though her effort seemed less on then some of the others. Score were too high, but again, following the evenings trend. I liked her costume!

I would say Tia took the night followed very closely by Drew & Stacey. Then Lisa & Jerry, George 6th, and P last.

[Dance4Ever]

Thanks SDsalsaguy, chachachacat. I feel at home already!

I wonder if we will continue to see this significant improvement in Lisa's dancing. Due to fortuitous events, she has danced three Latin dances in a row. Given that Latin is Louis' strong suit, she has been able to get the best of training and do very well. But after next week's samba (assuming she survives tonight), I feel she will be at a disadvantage because she will now have to dance the standard dances. This is a more critical stage in the competition with the better dancers competing for the crown (also assuming you know who has been knocked off) and it would have been the right time to dance her strongest dances which appear to be Latin.

On the other hand, Tia has shown a marked improvement while dancing two standard dances in a row. It's impressive considering Max is a Latin pro. She could have an advantage in the later stages when she has to dance the other Latin dances assuming she can assimilate Latin techniques from Max as effectively as she has learnt standard so far.

I just realized an shift in how I perceive this show. Initially, there was the "wow" factor due to my surprise and admiration that people with little or no ballroom dance experience can get on the dance floor after a few weeks and carry out intricate choreography. But after the first two weeks, that "wow" factor is no longer there and now I am looking for better quality dancing. That's why Drew and Stacy still continue to impress and entertain me.

[waltzgirl]

I was really impressed with Louis' choreography for Lisa. He's a flashy dancer (and has a bit of a rep for ego), so I was very impressed that, even though paso is "the man's dance," he downplayed his role a bit and choreographed and danced in a way that kept the focus on her. A true pro!

[DrDoug]

"...when you wire your apartment for wireless internet in order to type about DWTS while watching it!"

Um, if it's wireless, why would you have to wire your apartment for it?

[Big10]

but most of P's voters won't be hitting the dance floors!

Please tell me how you know that those who vote for P will not be hitting the dance floors.

Someone please tell me who are the people that vote for Master P.
I'd be curious to know those answers as well. I don't have time to do a search, but I thought I had already read a couple of posts in this forum with anecdotes about how some adults and teens now see ballroom as more approachable, having seen a guy like Master P struggling but still trying to have fun.

[cornutt]

On the other hand, Tia has shown a marked improvement while dancing two standard dances in a row.

You're right. Tia does seem more at home with standard. Good catch! I think the same could be true about Jerry.

As far as the "wow" factor, I agree... once the novelty wears off, we start looking for better dancing. And I think most of the competitors are the same. You notice that, except for P and George, all of the scores were clustered pretty closely last night. And other than those two, I think all of them have improved over the four weeks. Some more than others, obviously. I think Lisa took a big step fowards this week. Stacy just kind of maintained this week. (But she also got blindsided by a miserable performance from the band... it's hard to dance well when the music is slogging around like a wet sponge in the dryer.) Jerry recovered nicely after his setback with the jive.

[randomMysh]

I had to leave in the middle of the show yesterday, so I just finished watching it today.
Was it just me, or was Louis singing along to the song?? lol!!!

[twnkltoz]

I thought Lynn Swan was the guy that took ballet?

Moother is correct according to my mother the football fan.

[pygmalion]

Wow. No wonder I've skipped the results show so far. Lame. :lol:

[randomMysh]

YAY!!!! Wheeee! Hurray!!!

Can you tell I'm excited? :lol:

[fascination]

this is one happy moderator...perhaps now we can move on:rolleyes:

[randomMysh]

Teee heee...the last dance is to "Another One Bites the Dust". :lol:

Next week's dances are samba for everyone and a group...salsa? :shock:

[ChaChaLicious]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!

its about friggin time... MASTER P is gone....

its time to celebrate and prepare for the following weeks cuz now the competition is ON!!!!!!!!!!!1

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

[pygmalion]

this is one happy moderator...perhaps now we can move on:rolleyes:

Amen. Hallelujah and praise the Lord. :lol: Now maybe we can move on.

[waltzgirl]

YAY!!!! Wheeee! Hurray!!!

Can you tell I'm excited? :lol:

Does that mean what I think it means? I'm on the West Coast and I'm going dancing later, so I won't see the results show until late tonight.

Are we really P-free?

[Big10]

Come on, even if you won't admit it, I know that some of you will miss him and how interesting he made the show and the accompanying "discussions." ;)

I thought he was gracious about leaving -- and I was really glad to see Ashly clarify how much she liked him. It was cool to have the interview and the montage of extra footage. He's really not a bad guy....

[DanceMentor]

I'm guessing Master P might hold the record for having the lowest scores but managing to stay on the show until the 4th weak. I thought his behavior improved steadily throughout the show, and that he came to show more respect for ballroom dancing.

[pygmalion]

I thought he was gracious about leaving -- and I was really glad to see Ashly clarify how much she liked him. It was cool to have the interview and the montage of extra footage. He's really not a bad guy....

Agreed, agreed and agreed. And agreed. :wink: Well said, Big10. :D

[waltzgirl]

Come on, even if you won't admit it, I know that some of you will miss him and how interesting he made the show and the accompanying "discussions." ;)

I thought he was gracious about leaving -- and I was really glad to see Ashly clarify how much she liked him. It was cool to have the interview and the montage of extra footage. He's really not a bad guy....

I didn't mind his being there so much as I minded that having him continue each week meant I wouldn't get to see another dancer who I enjoyed watching more.

I didn't find the "discussions" at all interesting--mainly because they weren't discussions. Mostly, dancers just reacted emotionally to his lack of effort because it felt like he was insulting something dear to us all, and other people reacted emotionally to the feeling that *he* was being insulted by that reaction. Boring, IMHO.

[Big10]

I thought his behavior improved steadily throughout the show, and that he came to show more respect for ballroom dancing.
It's all a matter of perception, of course, but honestly I don't think his behavior or attitude ever changed. The editors on a show like this one have a LOT of influence on public perception, and I could guarantee you that every celebrity had unflattering moments that were simply not shown and "left on the cutting room floor." I never saw Master P as disrespectful to anybody at any time -- even the judges who slammed him.

His general demeanor is simply different than what a lot of people are used to, and he was not very effective at expressing himself, either on the dance floor or in some of the show's interview sessions. He did become a little more comfortable on the dance floor (especially with his Jive), simply because of experience, but he was never going to become "good" just during this season.

[Big10]

I didn't find the "discussions" at all interesting--mainly because they weren't discussions. Mostly, dancers just reacted emotionally to his lack of effort because it felt like he was insulting something dear to us all, and other people reacted emotionally to the feeling that *he* was being insulted by that reaction. Boring, IMHO.
And yet you're still discussing it now, aren't you? ;) Hee hee....

[waltzgirl]

And yet you're still discussing it now, aren't you? ;) Hee hee....

I KNEW the moment I clicked "Submit Reply" that I should have left it alone!

[pygmalion]

It's all a matter of perception, of course, but honestly I don't think his behavior or attitude ever changed. The editors on a show like this one have a LOT of influence on public perception, and I could guarantee you that every celebrity had unflattering moments that were simply not shown and "left on the cutting room floor." I never saw Master P as disrespectful to anybody at any time -- even the judges who slammed him.

His general demeanor is simply different than what a lot of people are used to, and he was not very effective at expressing himself, either on the dance floor or in some of the show's interview sessions. He did become a little more comfortable on the dance floor (especially with his Jive), simply because of experience, but he was never going to become "good" just during this season.

I agree, yet again, Big10. I also found his video retrospective striking. How many times did he say he was "from the 'hood?" A million? :lol:

I'll never forget growing up, and hearing my Mom say that she didn't want people from her neighborhood think she'd moved away and forgotten where she came from.

I suspect some of that concept may have played into P's demeanor. He has a reputation to uphold and a persona to maintain -- homeboy from the 'hood who made it big. Doesn't exactly jibe with being an aspiring ballroom dance competitor, now does it? A pretty tough balance, IMO.

[Beto]

Amen. Hallelujah and praise the Lord. :lol: Now maybe we can move on.

Indeed!! I'm relieved that he's gone, finally!

[pygmalion]

I'm relieved that the issues he raised will subside. The reason I never watch this type of show (other than DWTS) is that I hate to see people eliminated ... even people who're bad at what they do. :?

[fascination]

I'm relieved that the issues he raised will subside. The reason I never watch this type of show (other than DWTS) is that I hate to see people eliminated ... even people who're bad at what they do. :?I cant even watch ballgames for this reason...I know its stupid but I feel really badly for the loser

[mamboqueen]

Well, my dh forgot to tape the show for me. I'm guessing I didn't miss much...although I really wanted to see the salsa dancing. How was that?

Who was in the other bottom spot, vote-wise?

[Beto]

Well, my dh forgot to tape the show for me. I'm guessing I didn't miss much...although I really wanted to see the salsa dancing. How was that?
Rodrigo and Yesenia did some flashy LA-style dancing. The song that they performed to was an odd one though as the singer was singing about the cha-cha while the dancers aren't doing that. Maybe it's just me but a song about the chachacha should be a chachacha song, no? That little quirk aside, it was a nice performance.

Who was in the other bottom spot, vote-wise?
If my memory serves me correctly it came down to Tia and Master P. in the bottom spots after the viewers votes were taken into account.

[pygmalion]

Rodrigo and Yesenia did some flashy LA-style dancing. The song that they performed to was an odd one though as the singer was singing about the cha-cha while the dancers aren't doing that. Maybe it's just me but a song about the chachacha should be a chachacha song, no? That little quirk aside, it was a nice performance.




Yes. It was flashy. Big time flashy. And no, it didn't seem all that much like salsa to me, to be honest. *shrug* And yes. Why was he singing about cha cha to a salsa song? And, more importantly, why was the camera on him so much, when the show was about dance?

I have no idea. :lol:

[twnkltoz]

Whoo Hoo!!!!

[moother]

Yippee! Next week can really be a dance contest!

[twnkltoz]

Do the *****cat Dolls remind anyone else of the Spice Girls?

[new-ish]

I just hope that part of the performance fee for the *****cat Dolls was some real choreography for their future performances.

auto-censor, gotta luv it. I wonder what they do on cat chat?

[new-ish]

Yes. It was flashy. Big time flashy. And no, it didn't seem all that much like salsa to me, to be honest. *shrug* And yes. Why was he singing about cha cha to a salsa song? And, more importantly, why was the camera on him so much, when the show was about dance?

I have no idea. :lol:

Flashy yes, connection???

[africana]

Yes. It was flashy. Big time flashy. And no, it didn't seem all that much like salsa to me, to be honest. *shrug* And yes. Why was he singing about cha cha to a salsa song? And, more importantly, why was the camera on him so much, when the show was about dance?

I have no idea. :lol: they looked great but that SONG was such a purile representation of salsa music, and I think the choreography was too ballroom-ish, looked more like latin/rhythm than salsa. They could have put in all the stunts and tricks but still looked more salsa-ish heh

[twnkltoz]

The salsa was fun to watch, but frankly I like watching more dancing and less gymnastics.

[africana]

I agree!! makes it look like they're trying too hard

maybe their routine was confined by song choice (i wouldn't feel inspired by it myself)

[twnkltoz]

I liked the singer. But, I'm not a salsa dancer so I may not know good salsa from bad salsa! I just know what I like. ;)

[Beto]

I liked the singer. But, I'm not a salsa dancer so I may not know good salsa from bad salsa! I just know what I like. ;)

Did anyone catch the singer's name? He looked familiar somehow. I cringed when Samantha Harris mentioned "Carnival time" and then brought out the salsa dancers. I associate 'samba' with 'carnival' (or carnivale) but salsa? I'm thinking it was something on the prompter or script. Or maybe it was said to her in her earpiece (much like the reveal of who stays and who goes).

I'm going to watch my tape again to see if I can get that singer's name.

[Bradamant]

Did anyone catch the singer's name?
I'm going to watch my tape again to see if I can get that singer's name.

I thought I knew, but, nope, I was misinformed. I'll hunt for it too.

[Ralph]

I had to leave in the middle of the show yesterday, so I just finished watching it today.
Was it just me, or was Louis singing along to the song?? lol!!!

Louis does that frequently when he is dancing.

[Joe]

Pretty interesting since someone got "bitchslap" in earlier....
You'll note that it was censored.

[patois]

Please tell me how you know that those who vote for P will not be hitting the dance floors.

Someone please tell me who are the people that vote for Master P.

Good questions. I really do not know that "many of those who vote for P won't be hitting the dance floor." Example of another not-necessarily-so-accurate sweeping generalization...I stand awakened.

Somewhere along the way, I got the impression P was receiving high votes for who he was and not necessarily for his performances. He's repeatedly said he is doing this for the hood to raise awareness of what is possible, about believing in yourself and not limiting yourself. Really anything is possible, and voters could be lining up outside of dance studios all over the country...the world! I don't really care which set of voters from DWTS that might include. I do hope that many, many others will discover the joy, thrill, and fantastic pleasure that ballroom dancing can provide. I've been one of those so lucky. The show certainly is raising awareness of this sport and that is good.

I also don't know who P's voters are. I guess like other voters, they are friends, fans, those who appreciate his dancing efforts, etc. There are other posts here that seem to know more about that than I do. I just have my opinions--oh yeah!, this is a Forum, IMO place. Keep dancing. Keep watching DWTS! It is fun. Hum...(true confessions) just how often do I watch and "dream" I'm up there dancing--someone tell me I'm not the ONLY one! Hot-cha-cha-cha, Baby!

[Purr]

My favorite dance was Drew & Cheryl's paso doble to "Thriller". I was wondering how they were going to pull that off, but they did, and in a big way! Go Drew & Cheryl!

My first 2 picks for the final 3 at this point would be Drew & Cheryl and Stacey & Tony. My 3rd pick is still somewhat up in the air. Lisa has improved steadily each week, and I really liked her & Louis' paso doble. Jerry showed a lot of improvement from last week too; Anna is doing a great job with him. Tia seems to capture the feeling and emotion of each dance, even if she's not quite there technically. Her tango with Max was my favorite of her dances so far. So it's a tough call. As for George, I think's he's having a great time on the show, and I do find his dances entertaining. But I don't think he should make the final 3.

My favorite, obviously, to win is Drew & Cheryl. He gives 110% effort with every dance, and I admire that. However, I won't fret or be sorry if they don't win. As far as I'm concerned, they're all winners!

[mamboqueen]

You know, I was looking at pictures of Drew on the ABC website, and in several of them, he looks like he has no neck. He needs to drop his shoulders (coming from someone who has BTDT!). He does exude an incredible amount of enthusiasm. I think being partnered with Cheryl is perfect for him....although I could see him with Ashley as well. Very bubbly personalities. I wonder how they pair these people up.

[Purr]

What is BTDT?

[saludas]

Just a thought...


Humor in the millenium is cruel and mean, as evidenced by shows like Jackass and the success of crank callers getting their own tv shows. The 'success' of Master P is thought of as a very 'funny' consequence of the insincere and meanspirited voting that seems to have had more to do with the 'let's rubberneck the accident' approach that kept Master P on the air than it does with anyone actually thinking that it was about dancing, hard work, 'anything is possible', etc, IMHO.

One of the things that makes dance so appealing to me is the honesty of movement - either you do it or you don't, and the constant striving for movement that comes from your (spiritual as well as physical) center; the expression of emotion and interaction. These things are very much missing in many people's lives these days. And watching train wrecks makes me cringe.

As long as people look at someone like Master P and actually buy into his rhetoric that 'anything is possible - but hey let's not even try to exert energy to do it' then you'll continue to have viewers championing people who look to shortcuts and 'quick fixes' to have success, rather than real people who put their hearts into things...

[new-ish]

What is BTDT?

In my neighborhood it stands for "been there, done that"

[pygmalion]

What is BTDT?

Been there done that.

[pygmalion]

I wonder how they pair these people up.

I was wondering that myself.

[pygmalion]

One of the things that makes dance so appealing to me is the honesty of movement - either you do it or you don't, and the constant striving for movcement that comes from your (spiritual as well as physical) center; the expression of emotion and interaction. These things are very much missing in many people's lives these days. And watching train wrecks makes me cringe.


Interesting perspective, saludas. Pretty profound thought for this early Saturday morning. :cool: :)

Gotta say I agree with this. Train wrecks make me cringe, too. That's another reason why, in general, I don't watch these types of shows. For some reason, a lot of people seem to enjoy watching the spectacularly bad. Not I.

That said, I'll say it again. I don't think that DWTS is primarily about dancing. It's about making money, in my jaundiced view. Seeing it from that perspective helps me put DWTS into a slightly different context. I don't expect honesty of pretty much anything. Reality shows aren't real. A pity, but I think it's true.

[Infosaturated]

Interesting perspective, saludas. Pretty profound thought for this early Saturday morning. :cool: :)

Gotta say I agree with this. Train wrecks make me cringe, too. That's another reason why, in general, I don't watch these types of shows. For some reason, a lot of people seem to enjoy watching the spectacularly bad. Not I.

That said, I'll say it again. I don't think that DWTS is primarily about dancing. It's about making money, in my jaundiced view. Seeing it from that perspective helps me put DWTS into a slightly different context. I don't expect honesty of pretty much anything. Reality shows aren't real. A pity, but I think it's true.

That's true, but why did Miller get voted off this week? Why did the audience turn on him?

I think people are very willing to give others the benefit of the doubt, which is a good thing. But, it is contingent on putting in an honest effort. This week, the viewers found out he wasn't practicing.

That made everyone feel "had" by Miller. He was no longer the clutz that was trying and just wasn't a natural dancer. That persona people could identity with. People do not want to identify with someone who isn't putting in an honest effort.

The unforgiveable sin was not and is not being a poor dancer, it's not trying.

Ashley tugged my heartstrings this week. She was trying so hard to say positive things without lying. She didn't make the "call in" signal when their number was announced. He managed to take the "bubbly" out of Ashley. Put that in the frame that he wasn't showing up for practice which made her job impossible. She must have struggled so hard to come up with a choreography that he could learn in five hours.

So, in conclusion, I don't think it was so much the "trainwreck" vote that was keeping him around, but the "underdog" vote. He lost the underdog vote when people found out he wasn't putting in any effort.

[pygmalion]

Actually, my comments just now were about the show in general and not Master P ... I think. :?

Interesting points, though, InfoSaturated. :cool: :) I still have no idea how the voting works (I deliberately never found out -- information overload. :lol:, )so I can't begin to speculate about why who got voted off or stayed on. But your theory sounds viable to me. *shrug*

[fascination]

i just dont want to waste my good pondering cells pondering it......

[fascination]

Interesting perspective, saludas. Pretty profound thought for this early Saturday morning. :cool: :)

Gotta say I agree with this. Train wrecks make me cringe, too. That's another reason why, in general, I don't watch these types of shows. For some reason, a lot of people seem to enjoy watching the spectacularly bad. Not I.

That said, I'll say it again. I don't think that DWTS is primarily about dancing. It's about making money, in my jaundiced view. Seeing it from that perspective helps me put DWTS into a slightly different context. I don't expect honesty of pretty much anything. Reality shows aren't real. A pity, but I think it's true.I agreed with this as well saludas

[Bradamant]

Did anyone catch the singer's name? He looked familiar somehow. I cringed when Samantha Harris mentioned "Carnival time" and then brought out the salsa dancers. I associate 'samba' with 'carnival' (or carnivale) but salsa? I'm thinking it was something on the prompter or script. Or maybe it was said to her in her earpiece (much like the reveal of who stays and who goes).

I'm going to watch my tape again to see if I can get that singer's name.

Found it, it WAS Chelo.

www.musichelo.com

:D

[chachachacat]

i just dont want to waste my good pondering cells pondering it...... :lol:

[DancePoet]

Humor in the millenium is cruel and mean, as evidenced by shows like Jackass and the success of crank callers getting their own tv shows. The 'success' of Master P is thought of as a very 'funny' consequence of the insincere and meanspirited voting that seems to have had more to do with the 'let's rubberneck the accident' approach that kept Master P on the air than it does with anyone actually thinking that it was about dancing, hard work, 'anything is possible', etc, IMHO.

One of the things that makes dance so appealing to me is the honesty of movement - either you do it or you don't, and the constant striving for movement that comes from your (spiritual as well as physical) center; the expression of emotion and interaction. These things are very much missing in many people's lives these days. And watching train wrecks makes me cringe.

As long as people look at someone like Master P and actually buy into his rhetoric that 'anything is possible - but hey let's not even try to exert energy to do it' then you'll continue to have viewers championing people who look to shortcuts and 'quick fixes' to have success, rather than real people who put their hearts into things...
Very interesting perspective!

There is a pattern in some humans' behaviour that shows people being all eyes for "train wrecks". And I suspect this has certainly helped the network make some additional advertising dollars through P's situation, just hopefully not at the expense of viewing ballroom dancing in a negative manner. I'm feeling like this show is doing good things for ballroom based on my relatively localized experiences. I believe with P being gone, those who have started watching this show for the first time AND stick around to continue watching more, will be the folks most likely to find there way into a dance studio for lessons. The others who don't will be those folks looking for the shortcuts and quick fixes, and such folks often lose out when it comes to long term joy.

[DancePoet]

That's true, but why did Miller get voted off this week? Why did the audience turn on him?

I think people are very willing to give others the benefit of the doubt, which is a good thing. But, it is contingent on putting in an honest effort. This week, the viewers found out he wasn't practicing.

That made everyone feel "had" by Miller. He was no longer the clutz that was trying and just wasn't a natural dancer. That persona people could identity with. People do not want to identify with someone who isn't putting in an honest effort.

The unforgiveable sin was not and is not being a poor dancer, it's not trying.

Ashley tugged my heartstrings this week. She was trying so hard to say positive things without lying. She didn't make the "call in" signal when their number was announced. He managed to take the "bubbly" out of Ashley. Put that in the frame that he wasn't showing up for practice which made her job impossible. She must have struggled so hard to come up with a choreography that he could learn in five hours.

So, in conclusion, I don't think it was so much the "trainwreck" vote that was keeping him around, but the "underdog" vote. He lost the underdog vote when people found out he wasn't putting in any effort.
Many of the "trainwreck" voters could be "underdog" voters, too. And maybe it was a combination of the two?

I feel sympathetic towards Ashley. She had a tough job, and hopefully she got paid appropriately.

[DancePoet]

i just dont want to waste my good pondering cells pondering it......
With all the popndering cells you use, I'm glad you still have some left. ;) :lol:

[patois]

As far as I'm concerned, they're all winners!

Hear! Hear!

I've also enjoyed watching George dance so much! What a trooper. He shows such enthusiasm and joy--he's having so much fun, he's just a pleasure to watch. After seeing him in movies/tv all these years, this is a nice touch for his career.

[pygmalion]

She had a tough job, and hopefully she got paid appropriately.

Hmm. I hadn't thought about that. They're getting paid? (Over and above the priceless face time on TV?) Really? Not sure why, but I assumed that the pay was minimal. :?

[SDsalsaguy]

Hmm. I hadn't thought about that. They're getting paid? (Over and above the priceless face time on TV?) Really? Not sure why, but I assumed that the pay was minimal. :? I'm not sure what the figure is this season, but they're all paid for the whole season, but at a higher rate as long as the're still one of the "active" couples. They really do need to get paid too, since they can't rally take any other work at the same time and have to live on something.

I know the ammont last season was $2,000/month, but I'd asume that's gone up at least some....

[mamboqueen]

And I assume all of their expenses (hotel, meals, etc.) are covered? I dunno. It sounds like a losing proposition unless they're really thinking their business will pick up a lot because of this "advertising."

[pygmalion]

Yep. $2000 a month is minimal, in my view, considering ...

[alemana]

someone who knew about it posted that neither the pros nor the stars were being put up, fed, etc during the show - that the way 'reality' tv is framed by actor union rules means much lower compensation/benefits than, say, a sitcom. that's part of the reason there is so much 'reality' on TV right now - it's cheaper, many times over, to produce than your average sitcom/drama.

[pygmalion]

I hate "reality" TV, to be honest, but I think the economics make it fairly likely that reality TV is here to stay ... at least for a while. :?

[fascination]

i do too but I have been loving project runway...cant help it:rolleyes:

[Beto]

i do too but I have been loving project runway...cant help it:rolleyes:

That's a great show. I started watching it last month while out of town for a few weeks. Pretty amazing what the designers have to come up with each week.

[pygmalion]

I've never watched it. The commericials turned me off. Too much ego, IMO. :(

Is the show really good? :?

[fascination]

its a hoot imo...but not good to start in the middle...try to do the catch up episodes if you are really interested

[SDsalsaguy]

its a hoot imo...but not good to start in the middle...try to do the catch up episodes if you are really interested
Agreed... knowing who's who and what has come before makes a difference.

[fascination]

do you have a favorite?

[SDsalsaguy]

*Not* Santino!!!

[delamusica]

Somebody help! This thread is being hijacked!!!

;-)

[fascination]

*Not* Santino!!!agree

[fascination]

Somebody help! This thread is being hijacked!!!

;-)sorry at least we're not flirting

[Big10]

One of the things that makes dance so appealing to me is the honesty of movement - either you do it or you don't, and the constant striving for movement that comes from your (spiritual as well as physical) center; the expression of emotion and interaction. These things are very much missing in many people's lives these days. And watching train wrecks makes me cringe.Is dancing "honest" only if it's good? To me, Master P was honest with his movement/dancing -- he just wasn't very good on any technical level. To underscore that point, I believe that Ashly continued to have affection for Master P primarily because of his honesty -- despite his deficiencies in technique/talent.


As long as people look at someone like Master P and actually buy into his rhetoric that 'anything is possible - but hey let's not even try to exert energy to do it' then you'll continue to have viewers championing people who look to shortcuts and 'quick fixes' to have success, rather than real people who put their hearts into things...How could Master P be the model for a successful "quick fix"? :confused: He sucked! Everybody knew that....even Master P himself!

I'm much more in agreement with Infosaturated's analysis of what happened amongst the viewers.

[Big10]

That's a great show. I started watching it last month while out of town for a few weeks. Pretty amazing what the designers have to come up with each week.
I feel better after seeing you post that! I haven't told any other guy that I routinely keep up with both a ballroom dancing reality show and a fashion designing reality show. :lol:

(Actually, the only reason I know about Project Runway is because one participant, Chloe, lives here in Houston and I know her personally.)

[Joe]

Is dancing "honest" only if it's good? To me, Master P was honest with his movement/dancing -- he just wasn't very good on any technical level. To underscore that point, I believe that Ashly continued to have affection for Master P primarily because of his honesty -- despite his deficiencies in technique/talent.


How could Master P be the model for a successful "quick fix"? :confused: He sucked! Everybody knew that....even Master P himself!

I'm much more in agreement with Infosaturated's analysis of what happened amongst the viewers.
I disagree. I think the number being bandied about was that P had practiced for a total of 20 hours up through the last episode, and that was a fraction of the time the other "contestants" spent practicing. Even discounting for the fact that he had come in during the middle of the preparation period to cover for his son, that's still not much.

D'ya think that most people would say that those 20 hours was giving an honest effort?

[Purr]

Yep. $2000 a month is minimal, in my view, considering ...

Well, yes. But, the TV exposure and future name recognition is priceless.

[pygmalion]

Well, yes. But, the TV exposure and future name recognition is priceless.

Agreed. :) :cool:

[SDsalsaguy]

Well, yes. But, the TV exposure and future name recognition is priceless.
Sure... but they still have to pay their bills now. :wink:

[DancePoet]

I hate "reality" TV, to be honest, but I think the economics make it fairly likely that reality TV is here to stay ... at least for a while. :?
Sometimes "reality" T.V. reminds me of the Romans and their ideas of entertainment in the Coliseum.

[DancePoet]

sorry at least we're not flirting
This could change. ;)

[gusmahler]

I missed the show on Friday because I was out of town. I visited my mother the next day and figured she was watching it. She did. I asked her who was eliminated. She told me it was Tia! And she was so upset at P continuing, that I thought she was right (she's a former ballroom dancer).

Of course, she wasn't right. I don't know how she could be confused because they spent 10 minutes talking about how he was eliminated. Then I called her and told her that P WAS eliminated. I found out what happened.

For each of the other competitors, announcing their names means they are saved. But when the last two are there, the name announced is the one eliminated, not the one saved. She was so mad when P's name was announced (figuring he was saved, not eliminated) that she changed the channel. Whoops.

[pygmalion]

Good point. The way they did the announcements was confusing. I hadn't noticed that until now. Hmm. :?

[fascination]

This could change. ;)nope , I've decided to enter a monastery

[Big10]

D'ya think that most people would say that those 20 hours was giving an honest effort?
I think you and I are talking about two different things. The way I interpreted saludas's comment about "honesty" in dancing was that it referred to the dancer's subjective interpretation of the music. In other words, certain music might make you and me move in different ways (affected by age, flexibility, prior training, etc.), but each way would be a true reflection of what was happening inside of us.

If we're just talking about the practice time, I agree that most people probably would not say that 20 hours was "an honest effort," and that's probably the biggest reason why Master P did not get enough votes to last another week. I thought I read somewhere that the celebrities' contracts required only 5 hours a week, though, and if that's the case then he was actually doing what was asked of him. I also don't know what his work schedule is like. Most of the other "celebrities" are unemployed actors, but Master P is the owner and CEO of his own multi-million-dollar music enterprise. I'm sure there are many people who don't consider his style of music as "serious," but there is serious money involved it and the business side must be handled like any other business. For a similar reason, I'm also impressed with Lisa Renner's commitment a little more than some of the other celebrities because of her current job obligations, too.

[Joe]

nope , I've decided to enter a monastery
So that gender-reassignment surgery went well? ;)

[fascination]

So that gender-reassignment surgery went well? ;)nah...i'm just duct-taping them down...they aren't the most observant bunch

[delamusica]

Sometimes "reality" T.V. reminds me of the Romans and their ideas of entertainment in the Coliseum.

Interesting comparison . . . hadn't thought about it, but it makes sense.

I suppose that reality tv is a step above blood and death, but just barely . . .

;-)

[alemana]

that particular analogy is as overused as it is accurate - that is to say, in both cases, very.

[delamusica]

Overused?

*shrug*

Hadn't heard it.

[alemana]

yup. it's practically a cliche in writing about the rise of reality tv in the united states. but, as i say, there's definitely something to it, so.

[pygmalion]

Most of the other "celebrities" are unemployed actors, but Master P is the owner and CEO of his own multi-million-dollar music enterprise. I'm sure there are many people who don't consider his style of music as "serious," but there is serious money involved it and the business side must be handled like any other business. For a similar reason, I'm also impressed with Lisa Renner's commitment a little more than some of the other celebrities because of her current job obligations, too.

I don't know about the employment status of the celebrities, in general, Big10, but I do agree with what you're saying. Basically, this show is asking folks to commit a giant chuck of their time over the course of what? Two months? to learn to dance. Well, for those of us who love dancing, that's not much to ask. For the CEO of a corporation, it's quite a lot.

So, as much as I'm trying to avoid talking about Master P, I have to say that what I saw in him is pretty much what I've seen in other recreational dancers at Arthur Murray's or wherever. Those who spend more time dancing progress more quickly. Among my friends and fellow students, I wouldn't necessarily assume that those who spend less time are less serious. They just have less time, because of a heavy work schedule or school schedule or kids at home, etc. Maybe (just maybe :? ) the same thing is surfacing on DWTS. *shrug*

[pygmalion]

yup. it's practically a cliche in writing about the rise of reality tv in the united states. but, as i say, there's definitely something to it, so.

Yup. I would've gotten kicked out of Roman citizenship, back in the day. (A tangent, but were women even allowed to be citizens? :? )

I have no stomach for blood and gore, even when it's all dressed up and dancing around on my TV. :lol:

[Joe]

Roman women were citizens, but weren't allowed to vote or participate in politics. Actively, anyway--I'm sure there was a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff going on...

[fascination]

Yup. I would've gotten kicked out of Roman citizenship, back in the day. (A tangent, but were women even allowed to be citizens? :? )

I have no stomach for blood and gore, even when it's all dressed up and dancing around on my TV. :lol:I'm writing you in for president next time around...not a political statement mind you, just a belief that YOU are what the world needs more of...