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salsarhythms
11-24-2003, 06:57 PM
Let me tell you a story...This is a story about a myth...NOT
a fiction, but about myth...

This guy was out at the clubs all the time. So of course
he was able to refine his dance through all the practice.

Never had a problem with the ladies turning him down
when he would ask for a dance, and he was basically
always having a good time. (Both he and his partners.)

He then starts taking lessons to learn new routines
and patterns to use as part of his arsenal.

He had to "un-learn" some things so at first he was having
a bit of a hard time.

The way he looked at it though was that because he was
never "formally" trained, he had to get rid of some bad
habits...at least that's what the instructor said.

Anyway, after learning a bunch of routines, he realized
that as he danced, he could only remember a handful of
them, so he would obviously repeat his routines.

It had gotten to the point where he was quite boring
on the dance floor...at least that's what his partners were
saying...

And this was strange because he was always so much fun
to dance with.

After some time, he goes back and learns
more and more routines...perhaps in the hope that the law
of averages would allow him to remember some more routines
when the time came.

Then that night...

The band was on the stage...the drummer starts off with his
2/3 clave beat:

TA-TA TA-TA-TA

Congero comes in TUM-TUM TA-CU-TU-CU TUM-TUM

TA-TA TA-TA-TA
TUM-TUM TA-CU-TU-CU TUM-TUM

TA-TA TA-TA-TA
TUM-TUM TA-CU-TU-CU TUM-TUM

Ther goes the singer singing his first few notes and BAM
the band goes into a mambo frenzy...

Looking around all you see is smiles, people clapping as they
get up to dance this number.

One couple gets on the dance floor and start dancing
with their eyes closed, because, for this song, they don't need
to see anything...they will let their other senses do all the work.

And there goes our guy, girl after girl turning him down, and
with each rejection, his smile gets smaller and smaller...

His one girlfriend turns to him and says...

..."Hey Pa, don't take this the wrong way...but you just got
boring on the dance floor..."

THE END

What happened here guys?

Well, by no means am I saying that salsa instruction is bad
but the thing is that there are times where we have put
so much structure into our routines that we tend to
become boring.

What happens when you've done all the partnerwork
and routines you can remember? Exactly, you'll be
repeating.

That's when salsa gets boring.

Salsa DOES NOT get boring when you feel the music.

Salsa DOES NOT get boring when you improvise.

Salsa DOES NOT get boring when you connect with your partner.

However, these are the things that are sometimes lost at the
hands of an incompetant instructor.

And by me saying that I want to make something clear...

I blame the instructor because I have seen instructors that are
so rigid in "their" way of doing things that they will literally water
down and kill what's inside of you.

If you're even in a situation like that, RUN.

Another point this brings out is that even if you do know a ton
of routines and spins, nothing beats a dancer who clearly feels
the music and dances to the music, not to some steps he/she
learned the night before.

I have nothing against learning more and more routines, but
don't do it at the expense of being original...the last thing
you want to be is a copy of everyone else, and guess what...

THAT'S WHEN SALSA BECOMES BORING.

Sagitta
11-24-2003, 09:19 PM
You are so right!! And almost every salsa thread seems to end up here on this issue. It's just like any dance. You can learn the steps/moves/routines and do them, but until you have musicality you really don't have much of anything.

Unfortunately I'm not there yet in salsa where I can always feel and dance to the music. :( But, I am aware and am working to it. :)

salsachinita
11-25-2003, 01:43 AM
Beautiful, Fernando! Another must-read!
:notworth: :notworth: :notworth:

salsachinita
11-25-2003, 01:53 AM
I consider myself really lucky that I have been 'un-taught' the other way round!

In my newbie days I used to get taught one way in the studio, then get COMPLETELY un-taught in the clubs....!

It made me realised a few things.
1. There is more than one way to execute the same moves.
2. No such thing as 'one style more superior than the rest'.
3. Sensuality is more important than 'technically perfect'.

These days I am out there dancing with the newbies, urging them to stop worrying about dishing out more moves/tricks, but have fun with me instead :wink: !

Pacion
06-27-2004, 03:34 PM
I blame the instructor because I have seen instructors that are
so rigid in "their" way of doing things that they will literally water
down and kill what's inside of you.

If you're even in a situation like that, RUN.

Another point this brings out is that even if you do know a ton
of routines and spins, nothing beats a dancer who clearly feels
the music and dances to the music, not to some steps he/she
learned the night before.


I agree that this could kill someone's relationship with salsa. In addition, I believe that not enough instructors give their students permission to play ie. play with the moves you just learnt. We did it on the left side? Go home and try it on the right side. I showed you a hip roll on that count? Try a shimmy or hair flick instead.

Using a cooking analogy :D the steps/patterns the teacher teachs is a receipe, not the dish being created.

Chris Stratton
06-27-2004, 05:10 PM
This is very interesting, in that it seems to illustrate the fundamental and overwhelming difference between salsa and ballroom.

Salsa would appear to be a dance that has evolved to be something you learn by doing.

Ballroom in contrast has always had counter-intuitve core principals which pretty much require instruction. It comes out of a culture where dance was considered something that the young people of class learned as part of their formal education. Allthough the early forms of ballroom were drastically simpler and more-folk dance like than the stately choreographed dances they replaced, some bias towards training has remained.

In salsa you speak of people having to unlearn in the clubs impractical habits picked up in the studio. In ballroom we also know of bad teaching, but generally it's the other way around - people have to make a specific effort unlearn various instinctive habits before they are comfortable or even safe to dance with. Both non-dancers and dancers alike seem to easily recognize that the disciplined basis brought by those with resonable-quality training makes these dances both possible and comfortable. But I'd be the first to admit that this kind of background also makes it harder to understand the subtle core ideas of salsa...

salsalawyer
06-27-2004, 06:06 PM
I have been guilty of that!!


More and more lessons to become less of a dancer, more of robot.


there is a fine line between that and refining your skills.

salsachinita
06-27-2004, 10:39 PM
More and more lessons to become less of a dancer, more of robot.
there is a fine line between that and refining your skills.

My thoughts exactly.

That was the reason why I've posted this thread:
http://www.dance-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=2290&highlight=flava

salsalawyer
06-28-2004, 02:50 AM
nice thread!

I think its one of those things that we struggle with. Salsa with its origins as street dance versus more formalized dance forms such as ballroom.

MacMoto
06-28-2004, 04:10 AM
Thanks Chris for reviving this great thread. :D

youngsta
06-28-2004, 07:08 AM
Great stuff Fernando! I learned this the hard way about a year ago when I was taking lessons like a mad man. I hit this never ending plateau...was like a void. I finally decided to just go out and dance and not worry about all that 'stuff'. That was the best decision I ever made!

cocodrilo
06-28-2004, 08:07 AM
nice thread!

I think its one of those things that we struggle with. Salsa with its origins as street dance versus more formalized dance forms such as ballroom.

Ditto! :D