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Vince A
12-03-2003, 12:55 PM
Although this is entitled with the word "Swing" in it, I thought it applied to all . . . it's lengthy! I apologize if it's appeared here before.

Jenn . . later transfer to Newcomer's?

Practice Safe Swing!
ISDEMANY
(IZ-DAH-MANY)

The Interplanetary Swing Dance Etiquette and Manners Association of New York

PART ONE: AVOIDING INJURY

(The purpose of this list is to let newcomers know what's considered safe and respectful swing.)

1. Smoke or drink as far from the dance floor as possible. It's easy to accidentally burn dancers in motion with a lit cigar or cigarette. Spilled liquids turn a dance floor into a skating rink. Dancing feet can get cut on broken bottles and glass.

2. The floor is for dancing. Walk around the edge of the dance floor, rather than trying to thread your way through the dancers. When not dancing, stand clear of the dance floor! When dancing, leave room on the edges for walkers. Good dancers are usually skilled at avoiding collisions with other dancers, but unnecessary obstacles are annoying and take up dancing space.

3. If you are too drunk to drive, don't dance! You'll just run into people, annoy them and make yourself look foolish. And, of course, get someone else to drive.

4. Try not to wear any sharp or protruding rings, bracelets or hair decorations, or take them off before you hit the dance floor. Take sharp keys out of your pockets. Stiletto heels are sharp enough to pierce a foot; cowboy boots and steel-toed army boots are very hard on toes.

5. Whenever possible, if you are teaching, learning, or practicing moves, do it off to the side and not on the main dance floor. When you're practicing, it's more difficult to watch out for those around you and away from the crowd you'll be able to concentrate better on what you're practicing.

6. If the dance floor is very crowded, (A) Don't take up excessive space or travel from area to area. (B) Do not do Charlestons or any kicking steps!!! (C) Look behind and around you so you don't crash into or step on others. Make it easy for other dancers to predict where you--and your feet--will be. When people get kicked, crashed into, or poked, dancers get injured and can even be put out of commission entirely.

7. Air steps (or aerials), drops and slides are for jam sessions, competitions, and performances.These moves should never be done on the social dance floor. Never throw or lift someone without their permission! You risk hurting others (not to mention yourself), and besides, many clubs and dance studios do not permit these moves on their dance floors at all.

8. Some of your best moves come from creative avoidance of collisions. Check for space and all the infinitesimal permutations of where other heads may wind up before dipping or letting yourself be dipped. And don't push people or use your partner as artillery. Even in the middle of a dance, apologize for stepping on another person's foot, kicking them, or crashing into them. If someone tells you you've just kicked them, graciously apologize and make sure they're ok. As in driving, good dancing includes the skill of dancing with everyone on the dance floor, not just your partner. Collisions are not acceptable behavior driving or dancing. Don't make others mad at you.

9. If you see someone doing any of the above and they don't respond to being nicely told that their behavior is dangerous, don't argue, just alert the club manager, especially if the situation is truly hazardous----drunk dancers, broken glass, inappropriate aerials, etc. We all need to be responsible for each other as well as ourselves.

Please copy this list and pass it on to others. Ask that this be regularly distributed and taught in schools. (Please send any questions or suggestions to fiftynites@aol.com) As our beloved bandleader George Gee has said, "Practice Safe Swing."

Michael

Sagitta
12-03-2003, 01:05 PM
I've seen something similar before but it definitely bears repeating. I saw someone last night who was doing dips to someone. You could see from her expression that she was terrified of the dips after the first one, but he did it again and again and again. Then he stopped, after doing it about 5/6 times!! :x

Vince A
12-03-2003, 01:28 PM
Ouch, ouch, ouch. I hope she said something to him after that dance!

No lead should put another in a dip unless he/she knows that the dipee knows how to do it.

Someone in a dip should be able to support herself in a dip . . .

SDsalsaguy
12-03-2003, 01:42 PM
Someone in a dip should be able to support herself in a dip . . .
As great as this sounds vince, I do plenty of dips where this would not be physically possible! I certainly don't do these with most people nor do I do them often...but it is somewhat misleading to suggest that the dipee can always be on their own balance.

Vince A
12-03-2003, 02:02 PM
Someone in a dip should be able to support herself in a dip . . .
As great as this sounds vince, I do plenty of dips where this would not be physically possible! I certainly don't do these with most people nor do I do them often...but it is somewhat misleading to suggest that the dipee can always be on their own balance.
I'm sure that there are exceptions, but in every workshop that I have attended where dips were being shown or taught, this point was well emphasized by the instructor - especially when it was a female instructor.

SDsalsaguy
12-03-2003, 09:37 PM
I understand the principle, and the woman should always maintain as much of her own balance as possible – i.e. she should never fling herself into a dip – but the "be on your own balance" really doesn't work in any number of dips. It should go without saying, however, that you should never lead someone into one of these more “advanced” dips if you/she can’t execute the dips where she *is* still on her own balance…

pygmalion
12-12-2003, 02:15 AM
I'm sure that there are exceptions, but in every workshop that I have attended where dips were being shown or taught, this point was well emphasized by the instructor - especially when it was a female instructor.

Yes, Vince. I've also studied with a couple very mature female dancers, who also emphasized this point strongly. The woman should maintain her own balance, even when the dip looks precarious. The woman maybe enhance the dip by "giving" the man some of her weight. And she may use a little boost from him to get out of the dip. But she's basically holding herself up.

DancingMommy
12-12-2003, 03:19 PM
I've seen something similar before but it definitely bears repeating. I saw someone last night who was doing dips to someone. You could see from her expression that she was terrified of the dips after the first one, but he did it again and again and again. Then he stopped, after doing it about 5/6 times!! :x

I was dipped by a guy in a club and he slammed my head in to the (cement) floor. :evil: Let's just say he didn't get another dance from me - or any other girl that night. There were plenty of witnesses..... :twisted:

Sagitta
12-13-2003, 12:14 PM
I was dipped by a guy in a club and he slammed my head in to the (cement) floor. :evil: Let's just say he didn't get another dance from me - or any other girl that night. There were plenty of witnesses..... :twisted:

He deserved that!! Hoped he didn't get many dances from others too.

Dancegal
12-14-2003, 01:23 AM
I understand the principle, and the woman should always maintain as much of her own balance as possible – i.e. she should never fling herself into a dip – but the "be on your own balance" really doesn't work in any number of dips. It should go without saying, however, that you should never lead someone into one of these more “advanced” dips if you/she can’t execute the dips where she *is* still on her own balance…

I hold my balance but I can physically only do so to a point - if someone is leading a lower dip, it's nowhere but down...I've been dipped almost to a horizontal position during blues dances :o :shock: - don't think I could have held my own on THAT one...

My note from "To Dip or Not to Dip"
Just a comment for teachers out there:

PLEASE be careful who you teach dips to - don't teach it to raw dance beginners please - I attended a class to help out with beginner swing dancers and they tried to teach a small dip. Well, the leads led bigger dips and yours truly fell to the floor for the first time after years of "dipping" (oh, and he fell too ). Neither one of us got injured (to his credit he kept me from hitting my head) - we just got some big laughs. Yeah, I can hold my own but only so far down