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Has anyone been watching this show on NBC since it debuted in September? I absolutely *LOVE* this show and make sure that I never miss an episode. :D
and123
11-30-2006, 12:04 AM
Yup. The last episode FINALLY started to tie things together. There were too many "But who is....?" "Why is...?" "How did....?" "What the....?" in the earlier shows.
DWise1
11-30-2006, 01:44 AM
I've been watching it on SciFi Channel, which is playing the first six episodes tonight. I've been trying to get a few friends to watch it too.
PS
Just heard on SciFi that the next episode is the last new one this year.
I am really enjoying it too. If you miss an episode, you can catch it on the website for a week.
I'm hooked on this show, too. I like how it's pretty easy to find repeats if you miss an episode.
DancePoet
11-30-2006, 12:00 PM
I've missed quite a few, but it has been good what little I've seen.
I've been watching it on SciFi Channel, which is playing the first six episodes tonight. I've been trying to get a few friends to watch it too.
PS
Just heard on SciFi that the next episode is the last new one this year.
Yep! After Monday, December 4th, this show will be on winter break. Next week's Heroes looks interesting and I'm eager to see (have read a few spoilers) who's being brought in to the show in the next few weeks! :D
Yep! After Monday, December 4th, this show will be on winter break. Next week's Heroes looks interesting and I'm eager to see (have read a few spoilers) who's being brought in to the show in the next few weeks! :D
Heh, I must've read those same spoilers... You talking about one of the more famous actors who is going to play the dad of one of the heroes?
Heh, I must've read those same spoilers... You talking about one of the more famous actors who is going to play the dad of one of the heroes?
Yep! Plus a certain former time traveler from another tv show who's supposedly had their powers longer than any of the other heroes :D
DancePoet
12-03-2006, 11:25 PM
This season's last episode is on tomorrow night.
This season's last episode is on tomorrow night.
Correction, this year's last episode until January 22nd when the season resumes with new episodes. More info here: http://tinyurl.com/ydgalr
:shock: :shock: :shock: WOW! Did anyone else see last night's episode!
Well, January 22nd is *finally* just around the corner. Took long enough!
and123
01-18-2007, 11:15 PM
can't wait!
Ditto! Monday's going to be awesome! (plus Prison Break returns too :D)
Alright, who watched it last night? :D
I did.
As usual, I have more questions than answers after having watched it.
I was surprised that Sylar (sp?) wasn't free. I had thought he escaped when he killed what's-her-name.
I did.
As usual, I have more questions than answers after having watched it.
I was surprised that Sylar (sp?) wasn't free. I had thought he escaped when he killed what's-her-name.
He got stopped before he could leave. Oh and he didn't kill Eden. He was about to, using his usual method but she knew that if he got her power he would be even more dangerous and probably unstoppable. So she took away that option.
It's not totally necessary but to better enjoy the show it doesn't hurt to read the graphic novels on NBC's HEROES site. Each one ties into the episode that's just aired or gives insight into a new character that will be on the show soon.
Link: http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/
The one showing the immediate aftermath of Eden's suicide/sacrifice...
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_011.shtml
or
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/downloads/Heroes_novel_011.pdf
explains how Sylar got stopped.
Looks like I shouldn't have read this thread until I saw Monday's ep...
Peaches
01-24-2007, 07:57 AM
Am always amazed by people who find the time to watch tv. How? I just don't get it.
I guess it's one of those things that will always be a mystery to me.
He got stopped before he could leave. Oh and he didn't kill Eden. He was about to, using his usual method but she knew that if he got her power he would be even more dangerous and probably unstoppable. So she took away that option.
It's not totally necessary but to better enjoy the show it doesn't hurt to read the graphic novels on NBC's HEROES site. Each one ties into the episode that's just aired or gives insight into a new character that will be on the show soon.
Link: http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/
The one showing the immediate aftermath of Eden's suicide/sacrifice...
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_011.shtml
or
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/downloads/Heroes_novel_011.pdf
explains how Sylar got stopped.
Hey, thanks! I'll check these out.
Looks like I shouldn't have read this thread until I saw Monday's ep...
Nah, none of those links spoil Monday's episode. They mostly deal with stuff that happened between Monday's episode and the previous one.
Am always amazed by people who find the time to watch tv. How? I just don't get it.
I guess it's one of those things that will always be a mystery to me.
DVR!!! :-)
Amen, although in my case, HTPC.
1 hour of TV in 42 minutes. Can't be beat.
Amen, although in my case, HTPC.
1 hour of TV in 42 minutes. Can't be beat.
I don't particularly like Comcast's DVR, but not like I really have an alternative that I want to use.
The sad part is that for every 2 minutes of show, we're getting 1 minute of commercial time!
and123
01-25-2007, 11:32 AM
Yeah, for me it's a VCR. Sorry, I'm behind the times a bit, but it works.
Yeah, for me it's a VCR. Sorry, I'm behind the times a bit, but it works.
You're not alone. :D I have 2 VCR's hooked up to my cable (gotta love splitters!) and one TV. I just program each one any time I've got 2 shows airing in the same time slot and just watch them when I can. Watched "Heroes" and "24" late Monday night and "Prison Break", "Battlestar Galactica" and "Dresden Files" late Tuesday night (both nights after getting home from dancing).
Such is the life of a TV junkie without a DVR ;)
Such is the life of a TV junkie without a DVR ;)
Plus you get to record two, and watch a 3rd. I'm stuck at two max. :wink:
I'm such a whore I have multiple HTPCs. Tuesday nights used to be my bane, which is why I have more than one--NCIS, The Unit, Veronica Mars, Gilmore Girls, Friday Night Lights. I like to record in HD, so I needed more than two HD tuners, and each MCE box can only handle two.
Finally watched this week's "Heroes." Pretty good. That Bennett guy is so freakin smarmy I wanna punch him in the face.
I'm such a whore I have multiple HTPCs. Tuesday nights used to be my bane, which is why I have more than one--NCIS, The Unit, Veronica Mars, Gilmore Girls, Friday Night Lights. I like to record in HD, so I needed more than two HD tuners, and each MCE box can only handle two.
I would imagine that once you get familiar and set up your HTPC, that it'd be 1000x better than my stupid Comcast DVR (they now have ads in the bars when I'm navigating the channel guide, and I have to hit a button 3x to bring up my "favorite channel list".).
What are the pros and cons? Is it one HTPC per computer? I'm sure that with the price of hard drives being so low (a co-worker just bought a 250Gig 3.5" external hard drive for $80), that your recorded show capacity is way longer than what I get in my DVR.
Finally watched this week's "Heroes." Pretty good. That Bennett guy is so freakin smarmy I wanna punch him in the face.
I'll say! Lol! But it makes for more interesting/dramatic TV.
Finally watched this week's "Heroes." Pretty good. That Bennett guy is so freakin smarmy I wanna punch him in the face.
I'll say! Lol! But it makes for more interesting/dramatic TV.
The thing about Bennet/H.R.G. is that he's not necessarily 100% evil or 100% good. Somewhere in between and it keeps us guessing which is why I like the character. Looking forward to his origin episode in a few months! :D
Pros and cons of HTPC is that you can only record in HD the stuff that's broadcast OTA. Most cable systems encrypt the premium HD channels, so you could only record SD versions of those channels.
Pros and cons of HTPC is that you can only record in HD the stuff that's broadcast OTA. Most cable systems encrypt the premium HD channels, so you could only record SD versions of those channels.
Hmm, you'd think there'd be a way to take the signal coming out of the HD tuner (i.e. after the decryption) and record that. Is it not possible to?
Well, it's technically feasible, but I think it requires high-end equipment. Not consumer-oriented at all. After all, what purpose do most consumers have for recording from a DVI or component HD source?
Yes, the MPAA would definitely freak out once that becomes available to the average consumer. Still, you'd think that some tech company out there would recognize the potential demand, and offer such a product.
Wait a few months, I bet we'll eventually see some sort of product. And then, within a few months or so (maybe faster) there'll be some sort of legal action against it, so you'll have a relatively small window to act on it, I bet.
Interesting how fast technology is moving nowadays. Hard to keep up!
The thing about Bennet/H.R.G. is that he's not necessarily 100% evil or 100% good. Somewhere in between and it keeps us guessing which is why I like the character. Looking forward to his origin episode in a few months! :D
Me, too! Another new episode tonight!
Me, too! Another new episode tonight!
Can't wait! Plus we Meet the Parents tonight! ;-) :D
SlowDancer
01-29-2007, 08:45 PM
Goodness...I'm not wearing my reading glasses and at first, I thought the show's title was "Herpes."
Gotta go find the durn glasses...
Goodness...I'm not wearing my reading glasses and at first, I thought the show's title was "Herpes."
Gotta go find the durn glasses...
Lol! Well I hope that's no one's super-power!
DancePoet
01-30-2007, 10:13 AM
Saw the show last night, but for some reason it seemed relatively slow moving. :(
Must've been the herpes!
:rolleyes:
and123
01-30-2007, 01:09 PM
Saw the show last night, but for some reason it seemed relatively slow moving. :(
I agree. Since I read the spoilers ahead of time, I was a little disappointed that they pretty much squished all of it into the last 30 seconds. Eh. It's moving, it's building. Invisible guy is a hoot.
I agree. Since I read the spoilers ahead of time, I was a little disappointed that they pretty much squished all of it into the last 30 seconds. Eh. It's moving, it's building. Invisible guy is a hoot.
Christopher Eccleston's awesome. I remember watching a bit of the first season of Doctor Who and loving him on there! Looking forward to hearing about his generation of heroes (something Peter picked up on last night when Claude mentioned them).:D
Christopher Eccleston's awesome. I remember watching a bit of the first season of Doctor Who and loving him on there! Looking forward to hearing about his generation of heroes (something Peter picked up on last night when Claude mentioned them).:D
I didn't recognize it was him, what, with all that hair/beard...
I guess when you're invisible you don't care about simple little things like hair style, product and or/shaving ;)
DancePoet
01-30-2007, 06:25 PM
I agree. Since I read the spoilers ahead of time, I was a little disappointed that they pretty much squished all of it into the last 30 seconds. Eh. It's moving, it's building. Invisible guy is a hoot.
I didn't see any ads nor spoilers, and just bumbled into it last night.
And the invisible guy seemed to be the most interesting new twist. :cool:
I didn't see any ads nor spoilers, and just bumbled into it last night.
And the invisible guy seemed to be the most interesting new twist. :cool:
By all accounts (well, the comments on TV Guide and USA Today's Pop Candy), people seem to agree that last night's episode was slow. I tolerated the Niki bits in jail but felt there should have been fewer of them. *HATED* any and all scenes between Micah and D.L. as they dragged on and on. :mad: Favorite bits were Peter and Claude, Mohinder and Nathan and Niki and Zach.
I think next week's will be better and I'm also looking forward to Hana's appearance alongside Ted the Radioactive Man.
I liked last night's episode. (Will keep mum about what happened so that I don't spoil it for anyone...)
8-)8-)
DancePoet
02-06-2007, 09:30 AM
Ayuh, the story picked up a bit of speed, added some character, and new info on certain relationships. :cool:
Yep, and glad to know I guessed right on the father's identity. ;)
*Really* loving Claude as a mentor to Peter! :D
DWise1
02-06-2007, 03:53 PM
The show has an entry on Wikipedia now, BTW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_%28TV_series%29
The series loosely follows the writing style of American comics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_comic_book) by doing short, multi-episode story arcs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_arc) that build upon a larger, more encompassing arc. Even with small story arcs that move the story forward, Kring said he mapped out where he intends the show to go for the next five seasons.
Looks like the approach that JMS took with Babylon 5.
PS
Spoiler alert!
The page reveals who Claire's father is. My viewing time for the show is the Friday repeat on SciFi Channel.
Yep, and glad to know I guessed right on the father's identity. ;)
When I saw the cufflinks in the trailer after last week's episode I knew it could only be one person we'd already met.
I think I'm thoroughly confused as to when everyone started realizing that they had powers. It's been relatively recent for most of the heroes, right? The exception obviously being Claire's mom, possibly her dad, too.
When I saw the cufflinks in the trailer after last week's episode I knew it could only be one person we'd already met.
Agreed. Plus who else would be wearing a white dress shirt and that kind of watch? It *had* to be him and so it was.
I think I'm thoroughly confused as to when everyone started realizing that they had powers. It's been relatively recent for most of the heroes, right? The exception obviously being Claire's mom, possibly her dad, too.
So far as we know, yes. There's some debate at to whether Nathan's powers manifested themselves the night of the accident that paralyzed his wife or if it was prior to that. The only thing I can think of is that Nathan and Meredith's fling was prior to his marriage since it was so long ago.
Regarding Meredith and Claude, they're obviously from a previous generation of people with abilities and that seems to go back 15 years or so. The fact that HRG knows who Claude is (based on the convo with Isaac) is interesting.
What also has me confused is that for some reason, I thought that the older Suresh was responsible for some of them realizing that they had these powers. That he had actually done something to some of them in order for the powers to manifest? Was I incorrect?
Obviously with a lot of them, their powers will manifest in times of dire need, while others just have their power seem to just suddenly activate.
What also has me confused is that for some reason, I thought that the older Suresh was responsible for some of them realizing that they had these powers. That he had actually done something to some of them in order for the powers to manifest? Was I incorrect?
All Chandra Suresh did was his own research which was connected somehow with the Human Genome Project. He was able to, somehow, figure out which people around the world *might* manifest abilities. He didn't actually do anything to trigger a person's abilities. Human evolution did that all by itself.
More on the Human Genome Project:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genome_project
Obviously with a lot of them, their powers will manifest in times of dire need, while others just have their power seem to just suddenly activate.
Pretty much. I know human evolution plays a part in it and there are going to be more revelations about that as the show goes on. There are some good interviews with show creator Tim Kring which cover that and other story aspects here:
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/31459
and here:
http://tinyurl.com/2uwwqe
All Chandra Suresh did was his own research which was connected somehow with the Human Genome Project. He was able to, somehow, figure out which people around the world *might* manifest abilities. He didn't actually do anything to trigger a person's abilities. Human evolution did that all by itself.
More on the Human Genome Project:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genome_project
Yeah, I'm very interested in human evolution/genetics. Lots of fascinating stuff & cutting edge research going on there. There was a pretty good Time magazine article in October about how related we are to chimps. Also about how they're beginning to map the Neaderthal genome, too.
Pretty much. I know human evolution plays a part in it and there are going to be more revelations about that as the show goes on. There are some good interviews with show creator Tim Kring which cover that and other story aspects here:
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/31459
and here:
http://tinyurl.com/2uwwqe
Wow - ok. In that TV guide article, the 2nd to last question totally relates to my confusion about past and present Heroes.
DWise1
02-09-2007, 05:00 PM
¡Bummeríssimo! SciFi Channel has dropped Heroes from its schedule. I just missed last Monday's episode.
I thought I heard of somewhere on the Web where we can view past episodes. Anybody know about that?
¡Bummeríssimo! SciFi Channel has dropped Heroes from its schedule. I just missed last Monday's episode.
I thought I heard of somewhere on the Web where we can view past episodes. Anybody know about that?
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/
DWise1
02-10-2007, 12:03 AM
Thanks, tj. Worked fine.
What a family.
It's on tonight! :bouncy: :banana: :cheers:
If you miss it you can catch it here the next day:
http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/heroes.shtml
Or want to see it again (in a big window) but hear the actors speak with commentary in their own separate video window:
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/video/commentary.shtml
DWise1
02-12-2007, 08:12 PM
Yeah, I'll have to catch it on-line. I forgot to set my VCR before rushing off to work this morning.
and123
02-13-2007, 12:18 AM
Boy, that Sylar is one sneaky son of a b. But dummy didn't notice that the guy who called him had an accent, and the guy who showed up on his doorstep didn't?
confused - thought someone was supposed to die tonight. Guess that's next week.
confused - thought someone was supposed to die tonight. Guess that's next week.
Hmm, maybe Claire's mom, based on the preview? However, the Big Death is supposed to be March 5th.
Speculation has run from Simone to Niki to Matt to even Claire but I'm just looking forward to watching that night and being shocked. :shock:
Boy, that Sylar is one sneaky son of a b. But dummy didn't notice that the guy who called him had an accent, and the guy who showed up on his doorstep didn't?
confused - thought someone was supposed to die tonight. Guess that's next week.
Someone did die. "Dummy" did.
Someone did die. "Dummy" did.
Well yeah, he did. He got Sylar'd. But the big death they're teasing for next week appears to be someone in the guest-star credits and then the March 5th one is one of the regular cast. I'm hoping it's not Matt, Isaac or Claire.
Well yeah, he did. He got Sylar'd. But the big death they're teasing for next week appears to be someone in the guest-star credits and then the March 5th one is one of the regular cast. I'm hoping it's not Matt, Isaac or Claire.
If I had to pick out of those three, I'd say Matt. Almost seems like they're setting him up for a fall.
So not Nikki/Jessica or Peter?
If I had to pick out of those three, I'd say Matt. Almost seems like they're setting him up for a fall.
So not Nikki/Jessica or Peter?
Hard to say. One of the spoiler-columnists at TVGuide thinks he has it narrowed down to: Mohinder, Peter, Simone, H.R.G., Niki/Jessica, Micah, or Claire.
Update from today 2/14: It's not Claire.
As far as Matt goes, I read he'll be ready for Jessica next time. Wasn't it interesting how he could "hear" both Niki and Jessica?
http://www.spoilerfix.com/heroes.php
And I'm looking forward to Hana's debut next week (which we've seen online at NBC's site and which aired on TV a few weeks ago).
Hard to say. One of the spoiler-columnists at TVGuide thinks he has it narrowed down to: Mohinder, Peter, Simone, H.R.G., Niki/Jessica, Micah, or Claire.
Update from today 2/14: It's not Claire.
As far as Matt goes, I read he'll be ready for Jessica next time. Wasn't it interesting how he could "hear" both Niki and Jessica?
http://www.spoilerfix.com/heroes.php
And I'm looking forward to Hana's debut next week (which we've seen online at NBC's site and which aired on TV a few weeks ago).
Lol, just when I started to get used to the character's names, that website also uses just actor names!
So here goes another episode about talking about last night w/o giving anything away to those that missed it, lol!
I thought it was a pretty good episode. Was definitely surprised by some of the twists. (at least it made up for a pretty boring BS:G episode on Sunday night)
One question - I thought Psylar already knew how to turn his powers on and off?
and123
02-20-2007, 12:49 PM
One question - I thought Psylar already knew how to turn his powers on and off?
I think it was too "new" to him and he hadn't gotten the hang of it yet. Personally, I was wondering why Peter didn't use his powers at the end. Then I realized he can only use them on himself (that particular one, I mean) -- he's not a Jedi, y'know? Claire didn't heal Peter back in Texas. He "sponged" the power off of her to heal himself.
Curious to see what's going on w/Hiro's power(s)....
One question - I thought Psylar already knew how to turn his powers on and off?
I don't think that's the case for every power he steals. He seemed to pick up his first victim's telekinesis pretty quickly and we don't know which of his victims he stole the freezing power from but he obviously has that under control. I guess with Dale's powers he's having a hard time mastering them and probably should've taken her iPod so he could drown out other sounds the way she did.
I think it was too "new" to him and he hadn't gotten the hang of it yet. Personally, I was wondering why Peter didn't use his powers at the end. Then I realized he can only use them on himself (that particular one, I mean) -- he's not a Jedi, y'know? Claire didn't heal Peter back in Texas. He "sponged" the power off of her to heal himself.
What I also got from that - is that he can't always pick when he wants to use his powers. Otherwise he would've just frozen those bullets before they struck.
Curious to see what's going on w/Hiro's power(s)....
It was kinda sad to see Ando go, but if that's what it takes for Hiro to finally regain his powers, so be it.
I don't think that's the case for every power he steals. He seemed to pick up his first victim's telekinesis pretty quickly and we don't know which of his victims he stole the freezing power from but he obviously has that under control. I guess with Dale's powers he's having a hard time mastering them and probably should've taken her iPod so he could drown out other sounds the way she did.
Ah, ok, that's why she used the iPod all the time. Makes sense.
Pardon the "bump & run", but I missed last night's episode and won't get to see it until Wednesday at the earliest...
...must resist reading this thread in the meantime! :cool:
Pardon the "bump & run", but I missed last night's episode and won't get to see it until Wednesday at the earliest...
...must resist reading this thread in the meantime! :cool:
No worries. I won't say anything. For whatever reason, my VCR didn't get the last 5 seconds or so (despite my having checked it for accuracy before going on my trip) so I decided to watch the whole thing online just now.
FANTASTIC episode is all I will say. Very curious to hear your comments on it tomorrow or whenever you've gotten a chance to check it out :D
and123
02-28-2007, 01:33 AM
I taped it and watched it earlier tonight. Boy, things are so much more intertwined and complicated than I had imagined. I may have to watch it again to see if I can pick up more clues. Loved seeing little Hiro! I think it was wise to focus on one group of people rather than bounce around between all of the others. There was a lot of story to tell.
Yeah, the more "heroes" they introduce, the harder it becomes to, A) tell a coherent story in one episode, and B) just friggin' keep track of them all!
Yeah, the more "heroes" they introduce, the harder it becomes to, A) tell a coherent story in one episode, and B) just friggin' keep track of them all!
You really think so? I must be the only person watching then who doesn't mind that the cast is big and that they can only focus on certain characters one week and then others the next. What I loved about the Feb 26th episode is that it never left that one particular setting outside of the flashbacks.
DWise1
02-28-2007, 12:39 PM
Having multiple characters with their own story lines, or threads, means that we're not just following one story, but rather multiple stories. Stories which intersect and connect with each other. And out of these threads the storyteller weaves a tapestry, which is the overall story. An overall story which may not be apparent by looking at each separate thread individually.
Much richer texture than from a single story line.
:notworth: Bravo! :applause:
Could not have said it better myself! :D
So I just watched the episode. What a great show! I love the complexities of HRG-guy, and thought they did a nice job with the storyline.
I can definitely get lost here and there with some of the smaller details that I'll miss. But overall, I don't mind that many characters... I'm keeping up with them ok except for the newest ones. Like for example, the new woman who was in the "company lab". Who was that?
So far as I know she'll be a character with abilities that we'll be getting to know more about in coming weeks. Next week is the last new episode until April so I anticipate it will be a good one.:D
DWise1
02-28-2007, 08:11 PM
No worries. I won't say anything. For whatever reason, my VCR didn't get the last 5 seconds or so (despite my having checked it for accuracy before going on my trip) so I decided to watch the whole thing online just now.
FANTASTIC episode is all I will say. Very curious to hear your comments on it tomorrow or whenever you've gotten a chance to check it out :D
I have yet to see it all. I caught the last 15-20 minutes when I got home from dance class, but I haven't had time yet to watch the beginning.
Since you missed the previews (and last week I couldn't get the web site to show them), there appears to be an interesting development with Simone. I don't feel I'm spoiling anything, since they've already shown a quick preview of her standing in her blood-stained blouse delivering dialogue. We won't know how she got to that point until next episode.
Sheesh, maybe she's got the Claire power too. Or someone else has a healing power.
Who the heck is the Hanna chick and where did she come from?
Sheesh, maybe she's got the Claire power too. Or someone else has a healing power.
Could be!
Who the heck is the Hanna chick and where did she come from?
I think Hana is the one from the online graphic novel (i.e. cartoon/comic book) over at www.nbc.com/heroes (http://www.nbc.com/heroes)
DWise1
03-01-2007, 11:19 AM
Sheesh, maybe she's got the Claire power too. Or someone else has a healing power.
Or maybe Peter's power is bi-directional, being able to project to others as well as to draw from them? Pure speculation, mind you.
Eg, I've read a lot of speculation into Dr. Xavier's death scene in that last movie and what role Wolverine will probably play in his return ("Excuse me, would you mind holding on to my katra for a while?").
Sheesh, maybe she's got the Claire power too. Or someone else has a healing power.
Did anyone think that Peter and/or Isaac might be hallucinating when Simone says "You wanna shoot me again?"
Who the heck is the Hanna chick and where did she come from?
Like tj just said...
I think Hana is the one from the online graphic novel (i.e. cartoon/comic book) over at www.nbc.com/heroes (http://www.nbc.com/heroes)
Hana Gitelman showed up online in "Wireless", a 4 part story that introduced everything about her. You can read all of those chapters here:
http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/
By the way, the most recent novel shows a flashback and sheds more light on how/why Claire was given to HRG to raise. It's worth a look.
By the way, the most recent novel shows a flashback and sheds more light on how/why Claire was given to HRG to raise. It's worth a look.
Cool, I'll go check it out!
DWise1
03-01-2007, 02:35 PM
How close are the novels to the canon?
How close are the novels to the canon?
They're designed specifically to fit the canon & enhance the show.
DancePoet
03-01-2007, 06:48 PM
this past Monday's show was super with all the flash backs! :notworth:
this past Monday's show was super with all the flash backs! :notworth:
Indeed! Pretty much Best.Episode.Ever! (or so far). :D
I don't know what was the bigger jaw dropper:
Claude being HRG's partner up until 7 years ago
Mr. Nakamura being the one who placed baby Claire (notice she has that smirk on her face back then too? :) ) with HRG 14 years ago.I have to wonder now: Is Hiro adopted as well? Or is Mr. Nakamura his biological father? If it's the former then Mr. Nakamura is protecting his son, or doesn't know his son can bend space & time.
I saw Claire in a Neutrogena commercial last night. :)
DWise1
03-02-2007, 11:59 AM
Indeed! Pretty much Best.Episode.Ever! (or so far). :D
I don't know what was the bigger jaw dropper:
Claude being HRG's partner up until 7 years ago
Mr. Nakamura being the one who placed baby Claire (notice she has that smirk on her face back then too? :) ) with HRG 14 years ago.I have to wonder now: Is Hiro adopted as well? Or is Mr. Nakamura his biological father? If it's the former then Mr. Nakamura is protecting his son, or doesn't know his son can bend space & time.
Also, same roof-top patio. What's the significance of that particular building? It keeps cropping up. Even to the point of Invisible Man having gone there to roost. Did it belong to Simone's relative (sorry, I forget whether it was her father or uncle whom Peter was caring for in the beginning)? Would that mean that he was connected to this organization as well? And then what of Simone?
Also, same roof-top patio. What's the significance of that particular building? It keeps cropping up. Even to the point of Invisible Man having gone there to roost. Did it belong to Simone's relative (sorry, I forget whether it was her father or uncle whom Peter was caring for in the beginning)? Would that mean that he was connected to this organization as well? And then what of Simone?
Excellent observations, DWise1. I think I was reading the commentary section on TV Guide's column for Heroes and someone brought up the same point about the roof of the Deveaux building being so significant for Mr. Nakamura, HRG, Claude, Isaac, Simone, and Peter.
What I wonder though is this: Have we established that Peter's dreams/prophetic hallucinations are Peter's? Or, crazy as this might sound, did he absorb them from Charles Deveaux before he died? Remember that Peter was his nurse in the last few months of his life. From the Heroes Wiki entry for Charles Deveaux:
http://heroeswiki.com/Charles_Deveaux
"Simone tells Peter that Charles came around just before he died and said that he flew (http://heroeswiki.com/Flight) above the world with Peter, who told him everything would be okay."
Food for thought :D
DancePoet
03-05-2007, 06:45 PM
Don't forget folks ... the next episode is on tonight. :cool:
Don't forget folks ... the next episode is on tonight. :cool:
DP beat me to it :D Also remember that tonight's episode, #18, Parasite (fka Like Any Parasite) is the *last* new episode until April 23rd. After tonight, there are 5 more episodes (3 regular and the finale a 2 hour ep). :D
I get the feeling we're going to be hurting after the 2 hour season 1 finale in May and longing for the beginning of season 2 ;)
40 minutes away and counting...
Lol, I hate it when they make you wait on a cliff hanger.
Lol, I hate it when they make you wait on a cliff hanger.
I actually like them. It makes sure I tune in for the return episode. :D
Tonight's mid-season or 2/3 season finale was pretty good though not the slam-bam-thank-you-ma'am that last week's was (last week's Company Man is hard to top).
S P O I L E R S B E L O W
Seriously, do not scroll down until you've seen the episode.
Interesting developments with who is in danger or left dangling in difficult situations until April 23rd:
-HRG (busted by Thompson and The Company)
-Mohinder (in a world of hurt)
-Peter (in a world of hurt x 10)
-Nathan (moral quandary)
-Matt (still incarcerated but cooperating, it seems)
But the whole cliffhanger thing is so comic-esque.
I actually like them. It makes sure I tune in for the return episode. :D
I should qualify my remark - I don't like them if I have to wait weeks or longer to find out. :lol:
But the whole cliffhanger thing is so comic-esque.
Very true! Didn't think of that!
(But growing up, I never had to wait that long for the next issue, lol!)
DWise1
03-06-2007, 10:31 AM
-Peter (in a world of hurt x 10)
"I didn't recognize you without the scar."
"I didn't recognize you without the scar."
Yep, exactly. I knew he was losing the bangs a while ago as it's a complaint that series creator/writer/producer Tim Kring has gotten more than a few times. Now we know how Peter loses the bangs and gets the scar. I read that Milo Ventimiglia agreed to shave his head but requested a scar. Well he obviously will get what he asked for :D
Also it was interesting to see Hiro and Ando travel into the future.
There isn't much info about episode 19 (April) but episode 20 is set 5 years in the future and I hear it's going to be incredible.
There isn't much info about episode 19 (April)
My initial guesses:
Mohinder & Peter somehow escape from Psylar, who also gets away.
HRG & Matt somehow team up to escape, too.
Question - so is Hiro/Ando's future written in stone? Have we determined yet if "the future" is dynamic or static for this particular universe?
My initial guesses:
Mohinder & Peter somehow escape from Psylar, who also gets away.
My guess is that Peter will use telekinesis and his healing ability to get away from Sylar.
HRG & Matt somehow team up to escape, too.
All that's known about episode 19 is some vague details on characters who will be appearing.
Question - so is Hiro/Ando's future written in stone? Have we determined yet if "the future" is dynamic or static for this particular universe?
I think it's dynamic. It can change based on actions characters take. Or maybe it is static? Episode 20 should shed some light on that.
I know Simone appears one more time in the show (she was in Peter's vision of going Hiroshima in NYC but I don't know if she'll appear there or somewhere else).
If Future Hiro came from a timeline where Claire died, then I could see why Peter would have a scar. But given that in this timeline Peter *did* save Claire, I'd think the scar would heal. Maybe Peter will only have the scar for a short period of time? Or perhaps he hasn't fully mastered Claire's ability and so he doesn't heal completely?
My guess is that Peter will use telekinesis and his healing ability to get away from Sylar.
Yeah, fairly obvious about the healing, although like you said, why is he left with a scar?
All that's known about episode 19 is some vague details on characters who will be appearing.
Who? :smile:
I think it's dynamic. It can change based on actions characters take. Or maybe it is static? Episode 20 should shed some light on that.
Yeah, I'm trying to think of any events that have given that away or not. So far, the only time travel is the message to Peter in the subway, and when Hiro tried to save the red-head, right? Oh, and he traveled to the past and the company training period, I think?
I know Simone appears one more time in the show (she was in Peter's vision of going Hiroshima in NYC but I don't know if she'll appear there or somewhere else).
Hmm, interesting they're keeping her around.
If Future Hiro came from a timeline where Claire died, then I could see why Peter would have a scar. But given that in this timeline Peter *did* save Claire, I'd think the scar would heal. Maybe Peter will only have the scar for a short period of time? Or perhaps he hasn't fully mastered Claire's ability and so he doesn't heal completely?
Right - that's a good question. I'd say more likely that he hasn't mastered control over the abilities similar to how Sylar is still vulnerable to sound.
All that's known about episode 19 is some vague details on characters who will be appearing.
Who? :smile:
From http://spoilerfix.com/heroes.php
Episode 1.19: Title Unknown
Airdate: March/April 2007
02/13 - Some scenes will feature a highly computer-savvy geek in his 20s. Source: SpoilerFix.com (http://www.spoilerfix.com/)
01/27 - This episode will feature a comic books fanboy who is said to be a slacker in his late 20s, the head of security in a large casino, some very competent guard, and the bodyguard of a highly powerful man. Source: SpoilerFix.com (http://www.spoilerfix.com/)
01/23 - Peter is going to get a much more severe image makeover than Isaac. I'm told that producers have had problems with continuity, so they asked Milo Ventimiglia to cut his hair. He agreed to shave his head—but requested a scar. And he will get one. Source: Kristin on E!Online (http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Kristin/)I think it's dynamic. It can change based on actions characters take. Or maybe it is static? Episode 20 should shed some light on that.
Yeah, I'm trying to think of any events that have given that away or not. So far, the only time travel is the message to Peter in the subway, and when Hiro tried to save the red-head, right? Oh, and he traveled to the past and the company training period, I think?
I think that about covers it. He travelled 2 weeks into the future to the day of the election, then back to the present, the times with Charlie 6 months ago and the company retreat back in Japan like you mentioned. And now, 5 years into the future. Can't wait to see the *future* versions of Matt Parkman, Hiro again and all! :D
DWise1
03-06-2007, 09:13 PM
Just now catching the first part of last night's episode (taped while I was in WCS) until I leave for ballroom classes. Figures that Mrs. Bennett would have a doggie tune as the ringer for her phone.
It was a new one to me. Last ones I heard were "Hot Dog Boogie" and "Jingle Bells", played a few decades ago on Dr. Demento.
and123
03-07-2007, 11:55 PM
Been avoiding this thread until now. Finally got to watch it tonight. Wowwww, my head is spinning.... :shock: So many people aren't who they seem that it's hard to know what's really happening anymore. Never assume! Glad to see that Mohinder isn't such a dumbass after all though, aside from his unfortunate slip that left him maimed on the ceiling :(
That shapeshifting chick is gonna be a PITA to deal with...
Also, does Sylar have to kill his victims to take their powers (a la Highlander) or is mere exposure enough, a la Peter Petrelli?
DWise1
03-09-2007, 10:27 AM
M-e-t-a-phorically, Sylar's power is in taking things apart to see how they tick. So then, yes, I believe that he has to kill them, though I'm not sure how he [literally] picks their brains apart.
Peter's power -- and character -- is highly empathic.
First 2 minutes of the April 23rd episode, ".07%"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYIizVeYx3U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYIizVeYx3U)
And this next one is a bit spoilery but it reveals something *huge* about someone we just met...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8bE1pQZx3o
Not watching clips...not watching clips...not watching clips.
Not watching clips...not watching clips...not watching clips.
Such admirable restraint. :D Myself, I don't have your willpower. ;)
http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Trivial-Mattrs/Preview-Heroes-Returns/700017621
Preview: Heroes Returns with a "Super" Hour
So much happens.
So. Much. Happens.
And I can breathe barely a word about it to you, out of deference to the impassioned plea contained within the memo accompanying ".07%," the first new episode of NBC's Heroes in seven weeks, hitting your screens April 23.
So why am I here blogging about it? Because it's just so, so good, and it has been so, so long since we left Sylar in that room with Mohinder and Peter, and saw Hiro and Ando teleport to a decimated Big Apple. Amidst scads of reruns and a rash of reality-TV programming, it heralds a most welcome return.
Here's what I want to share with you/what I believe I am safe to say:
• The dense first 15 minutes are simply thrilling, capped by a Sylar-Peter showdown that I can only liken to the song "Dueling Banjos." You'll wish it lasted longer, but... it doesn’t.
• A new painting is unveiled, this time shedding light on Nathan's fate.
• There's a funny wink to the practice of spoiling TV shows such as Heroes. They all but mention Ausiello by name. (Mike will like that I said that. Hi, Mike!)
• A certain sect of "sick" 'shippers get themselves a sweet moment.
• Lotsa Matt Parkman!
• Ali Larter? Never looked hotter.
• Mama Petrelli does not deserve a visit from the FTD man on May 13.
• Hiro and Ando surface late in the game — or very, very late, depending on how you look at it — but when they do... well, just as you may find yourself wondering, "Oh yeah, whatever happened to...?" you get your answer. And... we fade to black. I'm going to stop there and encourage you to look forward to experiencing the long-awaited episode in all its glory yourselves. I can't fathom how the entire third story arc of this season can keep up the pace, but if it can, yowza. Recent snow flurries be damned, it's going to be one hot May.
So is this bunch of episodes the last til the end of the season, or is there gonna be another hiatus in between?
So is this bunch of episodes the last til the end of the season, or is there gonna be another hiatus in between?
April 23rd, April 30th, May 7th, May 14th and then the Season 1 finale is May 21st. Plus that last one is 2 hours long.
Season 2 will start in the fall so it's gonna be a long summer. :D
and123
04-13-2007, 10:22 PM
*la la la la* not listening, not watching *la la la la*
stop tempting me!!!! :rolleyes:
DWise1
04-14-2007, 01:10 AM
"the final five chapters"???
I thought this was supposed to be a five-year story arc.
I assume that they really meant the final five for this season.
"the final five chapters"???
I thought this was supposed to be a five-year story arc.
I assume that they really meant the final five for this season.
That's what they meant. If you think of Heroes as a comic book (not that hard to do), they could've also said the "final five issues". Sometimes NBC's marketing dept does stupid things, like this. ;)
The "buzz" is growing. Been seeing a lot of commercials for it while watching the NHL playoffs this afternoon.
It's B-A-C-K!!! 9pm tonight, NBC!!! :rocker: :banana: :cheers:
DWise1
04-23-2007, 08:39 PM
Setting up the VCR soon as I get home. Now if I can just remember to change the channel on the cable box.
and123
04-23-2007, 10:18 PM
[string of cuss words] I didn't realize DWTS was on til 9:30 and ended up missing the first 15 min of Heroes. Craaaaaaaap! :mad:
[string of cuss words] I didn't realize DWTS was on til 9:30 and ended up missing the first 15 min of Heroes. Craaaaaaaap! :mad:
It'll be online by tomorrow morning. http://www.nbc.com/heroes
Yeah with DwtS going till 9:30 (at least, for now :? ), I have to skip taping "24" (which will be online by tomorrow morning on its MySpace) page to tape "Heroes" on one VCR (yeah I'm old skool) and Dancing with the Stars on the other.
DWise1
04-24-2007, 01:23 AM
Worked late so that I just rushed in fast enough to grab my shoe bag and water. Wasn't until I arrived at the studio that I realized I hadn't set up either VCR. Oh, well, I'll have to catch the episode either online or on SciFi Channel.
Worked late so that I just rushed in fast enough to grab my shoe bag and water. Wasn't until I arrived at the studio that I realized I hadn't set up either VCR. Oh, well, I'll have to catch the episode either online or on SciFi Channel.
Looks like the repeat will be 7pm this Friday on the Sci Fi Channel.
DWise1
04-24-2007, 01:16 PM
Had caught the last 15 minutes. At the very end, I immediately thought of that line from "Short Circuit":
Here I am standing beside myself!
*semi-spoiler alert*
- I do wish that the fight between Sylar and Peter had lasted longer. But they probably don't have the budget that a movie would have.
- I also like how everything is slowly coming together, as well as how they add in additional mysteries each week.
- And I like "Radioactive Man's" new look. He doesn't look as sinister/evil with the shave & haircut. Probably signifies a changing of allegiances?
*semi-spoiler alert*
- I do wish that the fight between Sylar and Peter had lasted longer. But they probably don't have the budget that a movie would have.
Tim Kring has said that last night's fight was just round 1. Expect Peter and Sylar to go a few more rounds, either in the finale or in season 2 (yes, Sylar is being made a regular in season 2).
- I also like how everything is slowly coming together, as well as how they add in additional mysteries each week.
Episodic, serialized TV writing at its best. :D
- And I like "Radioactive Man's" new look. He doesn't look as sinister/evil with the shave & haircut. Probably signifies a changing of allegiances?
More importantly, he looks less like the Geico caveman (and no, the actor never did those ads) and more like a regular human being. ;)
and123
04-24-2007, 04:43 PM
I'm watching it online right now. Kick. A-ss! :cool:
Wired 15.05 (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.05/): Behind the Scenes With Heroes Creator Tim Kring and "Hiro," Masi Oka
http://www.wired.com/entertainment/hollywood/news/2007/04/magkring#
Great article with Tim and Masi Oka. :D
Watched it last night. Really good episode. I actually thought Peter was toast, because they didn't let on that nobody had taken the shard of glass out of his noggin.
Merrylegs
04-26-2007, 08:00 AM
Watched it last night. Really good episode. I actually thought Peter was toast, because they didn't let on that nobody had taken the shard of glass out of his noggin.
Yeah, that was really gross when she pulled it out.
I'm a bit of a newbie to Heroe's and am trying to catch up on the storyline. I'll have to go back and read thru old posts.
Merrylegs
04-26-2007, 08:02 AM
[string of cuss words] I didn't realize DWTS was on til 9:30 and ended up missing the first 15 min of Heroes. Craaaaaaaap! :mad:
Yup, I almost missed the beginning too. Thankfully on Tuesday DWTS runs the highlights from the previous night so I don't think you'll miss too much by flipping back and forth between stations.
Peter really needs a lot of practice with his powers. Sylar could have really kicked his butt if Mohinder hadn't been there to knock Sylar out.
Peter really needs a lot of practice with his powers. Sylar could have really kicked his butt if Mohinder hadn't been there to knock Sylar out.
I'll say! What in the world was he doing standing there, invisible, with his back to Sylar?!?
Peter really needs a lot of practice with his powers. Sylar could have really kicked his butt if Mohinder hadn't been there to knock Sylar out.
In the original script, the Peter & Sylar fight ended differently. From the executive producer's blog:
http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/
There were also more beats of action in the Sylar/Peter fight, including that Sylar was pushed out a window by Suresh and fell several stories to the pavement.
At the end of the day I think most of these compromises have no negative impact on the show. Adam (the episode's director) and the art department dealt with all the changes quite well. The only one that continues to perturb me is how Sylar is taken out. The world’s most fearsome villain, immediately after taking care of Peter, who has about 14 powers, gets knocked out by a chalkboard?!? Oh well.
I'll say! What in the world was he doing standing there, invisible, with his back to Sylar?!?
That's the one thing I didn't get either. Why turn your back? He was already invisible. :confused:
The only one that continues to perturb me is how Sylar is taken out. The world’s most fearsome villain, immediately after taking care of Peter, who has about 14 powers, gets knocked out by a chalkboard?!?
Maybe it takes a lot of concentration to use his powers. If so, it'd be hard to notice other things going on, especially from behind. I don't think he can use more than one power at a time.
DWise1
04-28-2007, 01:52 PM
The only one that continues to perturb me is how Sylar is taken out. The world’s most fearsome villain, immediately after taking care of Peter, who has about 14 powers, gets knocked out by a chalkboard?!? Oh well.
Ah, yes! The old "chalkboard from behind" trick! Third time I've fallen for it this week.
The element of surprise caught him flat-footed. And I don't think he's trained himself to react quickly to problems (such as we have in dancing) since most every encounter he's been in has involved him just walking in casually and taking what he wants at his leisure.
That's the one thing I didn't get either. Why turn your back? He was already invisible. :confused:
I figure he could see what was coming and was looking for cover, but wasn't quick enough.
Besides, it was more dramatic to see the reaction on his face. Plus the makeup job would have been more difficult with the shard penetrating his face.
And that would have meant that he was just standing there watching it happening and doing nothing about it, which would have made even less sense.
DWise1
04-28-2007, 01:59 PM
Now, what are Ma Petrelli's talents? Did Pa have any? Apparently she was involved with Lindermann's earlier band of heroes, but is there more to that story?
And isn't it just simply amazing that heroes just naturally end up marrying/shacking-up? It seems that every hero has parents who both have talents. Well, we don't know about Hiro yet, but Dad's involvement with the company might be a clue.
Also, it didn't look like Hiro liked himself very much.
****Semi-spoiler alert************
Another great episode!
I kinda saw the future Hiro outcome ahead of time (pun intended). The Sylar twist was unexpected. Mohinder was really obvious, although I was wondering why his thoughts weren't read. And next week's episode looks great!
and123
04-30-2007, 10:12 PM
all I have to say is,
:shock::shock::shock::shock:
Merrylegs
04-30-2007, 10:17 PM
all I have to say is,
:shock::shock::shock::shock:
ditto that! Hole-eeee crap! How many people just died in this episode? Whoah!
Question - so is Hiro/Ando's future written in stone? Have we determined yet if "the future" is dynamic or static for this particular universe?
So I guess this question got answered last night!
****Semi-spoiler alert************
Another great episode!
I kinda saw the future Hiro outcome ahead of time (pun intended). The Sylar twist was unexpected. Mohinder was really obvious, although I was wondering why his thoughts weren't read. And next week's episode looks great!
Parkman seems to have learned to control his power, so he only uses it when he focuses, as to earlier when he was hearing random thoughts from people. I would assume he would have no reason to scan Mohinder since "Nathan" apparently trusted him implicitly.
Parkman seems to have learned to control his power, so he only uses it when he focuses, as to earlier when he was hearing random thoughts from people. I would assume he would have no reason to scan Mohinder since "Nathan" apparently trusted him implicitly.
It's a reasonable explanation. Would also explain why he trusts "Nathan".
Masaya
05-02-2007, 12:09 PM
What I didn't really get is, why did Parkman do what he did to Mr. Bennett? Seemed like they were getting along well.
What I didn't really get is, why did Parkman do what he did to Mr. Bennett? Seemed like they were getting along well.
To make up for that fact that he lost Ando and Hiro after Peter stepped in. Couldn't exactly go to his boss empty-handed. Plus he let "Nathan" know where Claire was.
Two more episodes left for the season.
I wonder how much of a cliffhanger they'll end the season with? I could see them not even detonate the nuke - leave us hanging with whomever just about to explode.
Two more episodes left for the season.
I wonder how much of a cliffhanger they'll end the season with? I could see them not even detonate the nuke - leave us hanging with whomever just about to explode.
Whatever the cliffhanger will be will definitely lay the foundation for Season 2. I hear there will be two "volumes" next season whereas this season was just volume 1 and had, I *think*, 3 main arcs which had mini-arcs of their own. I liked how NBC spaced out the episodes this season. Granted, the wait-time between arcs was *torture* but we survived it and were rewarded with more quality TV. :D
Yes, but I think the layoffs contributed to lower ratings.
Yeah, I'm not used to a show breaking up it's season so often. I don't really like it, but since the show has me hooked I've been watching anyway.
I wonder if the lower ratings will make them change to a more traditional format? (when/where did they talk about lower ratings, btw?)
Yes, but I think the layoffs contributed to lower ratings.
I don't know about that. Keep in mind that "24" and "Dancing with the Stars" (bloated as it is during that last half hour) are probably chipping away at "Heroes" ratings. The ratings game is one that's hard to predict. Would you rather that they aired all of the episodes back-to-back and then have the season end in February (assuming they start in September)? I can take a few weeks off and know that I'll be back and watching again the moment it comes back on. I just can't believe that people still complain about gaps or repeats. TV's been doing this for decades. :rolleyes:
Yeah, I'm not used to a show breaking up it's season so often. I don't really like it, but since the show has me hooked I've been watching anyway.
I wonder if the lower ratings will make them change to a more traditional format? (when/where did they talk about lower ratings, btw?)
Pretty much any news outlet, tj. Adrian Pasdar (Nathan Petrelli) weighed in on this today over on TV Guide.com
http://community.tvguide.com/blog/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Todays-News/700000044
Adrian Pasdar: Heroes' Numbers Are Still Super
Asked to comment on recent — if not utterly incongruous and undeserved — slip in total viewers, Adrian Pasdar told TVGuide.com during a Wednesday conference call that when it comes down to the coveted 18-to-49 demo, "We're still bringing home the bacon, and that's our responsibility."
Likening each Monday night to a film opening, he says, "We're doing $100 million worth of business every time," drawing 11 million to (at the season's highest point) 16 million viewers. That said, he maintains, "It's the demographic that holds true. If we had started to slip , there'd be some concern, but we're still winning the 18-to-49. The demographics have held tight the entire time." Not to mention how [I]Heroes is doing with X-ray vision- and superspeed-enabled viewers.
See "losers": http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/08/AR2007050801864_2.html
Not surprised. Six weeks -was- a bit too long. Following the "24" mode of no repeats probably would work best given the serialized nature of the show. I'm curious to see what NBC will decide.
Yeah, I think 6 weeks was too long of a break, too. At least they're still winning their target demographic.
DWise1
05-10-2007, 02:42 PM
Not surprised. Six weeks -was- a bit too long. Following the "24" mode of no repeats probably would work best given the serialized nature of the show. I'm curious to see what NBC will decide.
You mean the network that mishandled Star Trek? Hmm.
DWise1
05-10-2007, 02:47 PM
Did anybody else notice about Sylar's artistic ability? He's able to acquire others' powers (by taking them apart and seeing how they tick -- the watch analogy), but what about their other talents?
His first painting after taking Isaac's power looked rather crude, rather like a 1920/30's style of German modern art (I forget the artist's name and the style, just that it was condemned by the Nazis) only a bit better. Then his later paintings looked better. And the mushroom cloud he did on his mother's floor was very artistically rendered.
You mean the network that mishandled Star Trek? Hmm.
Lol, I was thinking the same thing.
If they were to be stupid and cancel the series, it'd probably making it a big success elsewhere! ;) :)
Did anybody else notice about Sylar's artistic ability? He's able to acquire others' powers (by taking them apart and seeing how they tick -- the watch analogy), but what about their other talents?
His first painting after taking Isaac's power looked rather crude, rather like a 1920/30's style of German modern art (I forget the artist's name and the style, just that it was condemned by the Nazis) only a bit better. Then his later paintings looked better. And the mushroom cloud he did on his mother's floor was very artistically rendered.
He does seem able to control his newfound powers much better than Peter.
He does seem able to control his newfound powers much better than Peter.
He's had 6 months more to practice than Peter has. Ever since he killed Brian Davis in his watch shop and acquired Brian's telekinesis. We don't know who he took the cryokinesis from but we saw proof of that in episode two with the frozen head of Molly Walker's father.
I think Peter's just now getting the hang of juggling multiple abilities and Sylar's just a bit ahead of him.
What I want to know is this: how the heck did Sylar "unfreeze" after Hiro stopped time in his attempt to kill him? Was it Hiro's sword coming into contact with Sylar's skin that undid the time freeze?
DWise1
05-10-2007, 03:54 PM
Lol, I was thinking the same thing.
If they were to be stupid and cancel the series, it'd probably making it a big success elsewhere! ;) :)
Not enough episodes yet. When JMS was on CompuServe promoting his idea for a sci-fi series, his plan from the start was that it be five seasons long. He explicitly based his plan on the case of Star Trek.
Star Trek was cancelled during its second season, but an unprecedented letter campaign from fans caused NBC to change its mind and renew it for a third season, the quality of which was diminished by the network's constant interference with production. The show went immediately into syndication and it was in syndication that the fan base continued to grow until the studio could see a profit in making the movies and the new shows.
Now, said JMS, for a show to be sold successfully into syndication, it needs to have run at least three seasons. You need enough episodes to show daily and not have them repeat too soon. Two seasons does not generate enough episodes, but three does. Therefore, JMS reasoned, he wanted his new show to run at least three years so he planned for five. And it nearly got cut short at four years.
His show was "Babylon 5", which did run for five seasons, though that fifth season nearly didn't come to be. Though his syndication hopes don't appear to have materialized; so far I've only seen it syndicated on Sci-Fi Channel.
I think it was on the Wikipedia article for Heroes that I read that it also has a planned five-year overall story arc. I thought it interesting that last week's episode had Hiro and friend (sorry, spaced on the name -- "Nando"?) go five years into the future. Kind of made me wonder whether they were showing us one possible ending to the story so that they could then build to a different ending. Kind of showing us where it could lead and, with that knowledge, we can look for and appreciate the enormous impact of seemingly small events along the way.
Did anybody else notice about Sylar's artistic ability? He's able to acquire others' powers (by taking them apart and seeing how they tick -- the watch analogy), but what about their other talents?
You mean he doesn't have to eat their brains?
You mean he doesn't have to eat their brains?
The show's creator and one of the head writer's have both said that they have left this part about Sylar deliberately vague. *HOWEVER*, season 2 will apparently go into detail on what, exactly, Sylar does to a victim after giving them the telekinetic mindsaw.
What I want to know is this: how the heck did Sylar "unfreeze" after Hiro stopped time in his attempt to kill him? Was it Hiro's sword coming into contact with Sylar's skin that undid the time freeze?
I thought it was just Hiro's time freeze wearing off?
But yeah, I could see it being something else, too...
His show was "Babylon 5", which did run for five seasons, though that fifth season nearly didn't come to be. Though his syndication hopes don't appear to have materialized; so far I've only seen it syndicated on Sci-Fi Channel.
It's available on DVD (Netflix), in case you're looking for it.
Just making sure - events can be changed in time for the "Heroes" universe, right? I'm trying to remember what it was that changed that proves that.
Just making sure - events can be changed in time for the "Heroes" universe, right? I'm trying to remember what it was that changed that proves that.
I'm not sure. We knew as far as episode 2 that Isaac would die at Sylar's hands. Or rather, *could* die. Funny that Hiro didn't think about him at all or gave thoughts to saving him.
The only event that changed, I think, was Claire being saved by Peter at Homecoming. Beyond that...I'm not sure what other event proves that things can change.
The only event that changed, I think, was Claire being saved by Peter at Homecoming. Beyond that...I'm not sure what other event proves that things can change.
Ah! That's it! She had died when Psylar and Hiro first fought, resulting in Hiro wanting to save her.
Good enough for me! (provided the writers are careful about this sort of thing)
Ah! That's it! She had died when Psylar and Hiro first fought, resulting in Hiro wanting to save her.
Good enough for me! (provided the writers are careful about this sort of thing)
I think the writers will be. Many of them come from comic book writing backgrounds (or are writers who have written comics) so I *think* they'll have some kind of continuity planned out. Probably much like the string-theory setup in Isaac's future apartment that Future Hiro set up.
I think the writers will be. Many of them come from comic book writing backgrounds (or are writers who have written comics) so I *think* they'll have some kind of continuity planned out. Probably much like the string-theory setup in Isaac's future apartment that Future Hiro set up.
Re: the writing/plot
It's definitely one of the show's strengths.
Heroes spinoff announced and I have to admit that I like this idea. First we had the graphic novels to tie into the show's stories, and then the Heroes 360 experience (I got a recorded phone call from Nathan Petrelli today, which was neat) and now this.
http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Look-Hottest-Fall/Nbc-Announces-Fall/800014976
NBC "bulks up" with 30 combined episodes of Heroes: Origins, an innovative new spin-off that will introduce a new character each week, one of whom will be chosen by viewers through NBC.com to become a cast regular the following season.
NBC "bulks up" with 30 combined episodes of Heroes: Origins, an innovative new spin-off that will introduce a new character each week, one of whom will be chosen by viewers through NBC.com to become a cast regular the following season.
Well, as long as we don't get so much coverage that ratings suffer, sure why not?
Not too many big surprises with tonight's episode. Mostly smaller ones, IMHO. I still am leaning towards them not really resolving everything next week and making us have to wait on another cliffhanger into next season.
DWise1
05-15-2007, 12:38 AM
Her normal appearance. I don't think it is.
He must be talking about the one who can make illusions...
DWise1
05-15-2007, 10:25 AM
Obviously.
Even before her comment to Micah as they were going to the voting booth, back in the apartment when Micah didn't think the world was sick and she corrected him, specifically citing being rejected and mistreated just for how she looked.
DWise1
05-16-2007, 02:09 AM
Nobody else caught that Micah was being kept on the 42nd floor?
The Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything?
Why is that important?
I haven't read the book, or seen the entire BBC miniseries but it's something revealed in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
DWise1
05-16-2007, 10:32 AM
Terrible that these kids nowadays haven't read the classics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything
There was another site which listed a huge number of sightings of the Ultimate Answer, many from popular media (of course), many from classical literature, and several from the Bible. A couple popular-media sightings that they had missed were from "The X Files":
1. Muldar's apartment number was 42.
2. Muldar mentioned once that he had watched "Plan 9 from Outer Space" 42 times.
Also, about 15 to 20 years ago astronomers had calculated the Hubble Constant to be equal to ... 42.
Shortly after the kids (geeks in their 20's) took over "The Screensavers" (part of G4's assimilation of TechTV), wardrobe gave one of them a t-shirt to wear: on the front was "42" and on the back was "Do you know where your towel is?" Nobody on the set had the slightest idea what it all meant. Somebody in the studio audience had to enlighten them.
On the negative side, if a password needs to contain a number, then the user will probably make it 42.
I know about "Galaxy." I just had no clue what it had to do with "Heroes." Still don't.
I know about "Galaxy." I just had no clue what it had to do with "Heroes." Still don't.
Yeah, I've read the "increasingly misnamed trilogy" several times. And had the same question about it's relevancy to Heroes. Lol!
DWise1
05-17-2007, 10:30 AM
I know about "Galaxy." I just had no clue what it had to do with "Heroes." Still don't.
The answer, as always, is "42".
42 is a number that keeps cropping up all over the place. Of course, in many, if not most, of the occurances in the literature and in the media since 1980 (the approximate time when Hitchhiker's Guide first aired, though I'll have to refer to the radio play scripts to get the actual date) are the authors' deliberate choice of that number as a reference to the Guide. Somewhat similar to how just about every time that a US Navy aircraft carrier was needed in a story or movie, it seemed to always turn out to the the USS Enterprise -- that, of course, paying homage to Star Trek.
So, obviously the writers of Heroes are savvy and have a sense of literary history. So when they needed Lindermann to say which floor Micah was on, they chose, of course, 42.
Now, what about George Takei and that sword? Story told of when they were filming that early Star Trek episode, "The Naked Time", where a delusional Sulu thought he was a musketeer and was chasing crewmen down the passageways with a foil. In real life, as he was practicing with the foil he was doing the same thing to the production crew. The entire crew threatened to quit en masse if he was ever given a sword again. Don't know how it went during "Day of the Dove", since that episode postdated "The Making of Star Trek".
I wonder if he had behaved himself this time.
PS
Date confirmed. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy first aired on 08 March 1978.
DWise1
05-17-2007, 11:51 AM
And, no, I'm not the only one to sight 42 on Heroes. In the Wikipedia article on "Forty-two" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty-two), in the "In television and film" section:
In Heroes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes) the 'Walker System' is in the 42nd Floor of 'The Company' building - S01E22 'Landfall'
So because there's a 42nd Street that's an homage to Hitchhiker's?
I wonder if he had behaved himself this time.
Lol!
PS
Date confirmed. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy first aired on 08 March 1978.
Radio show or TV show? (Did you know that the Marvin from the TV show was in queue in the movie?)
So because there's a 42nd Street that's an homage to Hitchhiker's?
42nd level or floor, and yes, it's an homage to Hitchhiker's. Just like the NCC-1701 on Kaito Nakamura's license plate was a shout out to Trek fans several episodes back. Heroes dialogue and scenery has been chock-full of pop culture references since the beginning and I think that's a wonderful thing. :D
I still question whether they'll actually have the conclusion to the explosion tonight... They do love to leave us on cliff-hangers.
I still question whether they'll actually have the conclusion to the explosion tonight... They do love to leave us on cliff-hangers.
I think they will. And then just as they start Volume 2, it'll end. I think it's the "leave you wanting more" part that will make it difficult to wait til mid-September. :D
DancePoet
05-21-2007, 12:17 PM
I'm hoping this isn't on at the same time as DWTS.
DWise1
05-21-2007, 12:20 PM
Depends on when DWTS is on -- I'm dependent on the cable menu now and I didn't peak ahead for tonight.
You could use your VCR to tape one while watching the other.
Or you could wait until Friday when Sci Fi Channel repeats Heroes (double-check their schedule first).
Or you could go to the Heroes site after tonight and watch it on-line. I've had to do that a few times.
I'm hoping this isn't on at the same time as DWTS.
It isn't. DwtS runs from 8pm till 9:01pm tonight.
Heroes runs from 9:00pm till 10:02 tonight.
http://www.tvguide.com/Listings/default.aspx
I programmed my VCR to cut DwtS off at 8:59 tonight (I presume by then that the last dance will be over and it'll just be commercials followed by Tom and Samantha urging us to tune in tomorrow for the 2 hour finale) and then tape Heroes at 9:00 till about 10:04.
DWise1
05-21-2007, 04:01 PM
Wait a minute. I thought the season finale was a 2-hour.
Wait a minute. I thought the season finale was a 2-hour.
For Heroes? Not from the previews that I've seen.
For Heroes? Not from the previews that I've seen.
I think the info about that might've been misleading from the spoiler-sites. If you think about it, the last 2 episodes were parts 1 and 2 of the 3-part season finale. Things kicked up a notch with last week's events and tonight we get part 3. I know that I thought it was a 2 hour finale as well. :-|
and123
05-21-2007, 04:36 PM
Lost is 2 hrs. Twould be nice if Heroes was too. Ah well. I'm just glad not to have to deal with DWTS overlap for a change.
I'm just bummed that we don't get new episodes til September! :sad:
Lost is 2 hrs. Twould be nice if Heroes was too. Ah well. I'm just glad not to have to deal with DWTS overlap for a change.
"24" is two hours as well. Recording that on the other VCR. I agree that'd be nice if "Heroes" was 2 hours as well but I can live with just a one hour finale. ;)
DWise1
05-21-2007, 05:35 PM
I know that I thought it was a 2 hour finale as well. :-|
That's where I had gotten it from.
All right - there appears to have been a pretty big hole in the plot from tonight's season finale. But I'll hold off a few days before asking it.
Overall, I was pretty happy with the finale, and am looking forward to the next season.
ACtenDance
05-21-2007, 10:47 PM
The end of the exploding man part was kind of dumb... 2>1, what an odd decision
Merrylegs
05-21-2007, 10:51 PM
I've only started watching Heroes this season so I'm playing catch up.
I have some questions that I am hoping people can answer for me.
What is Mother Petrelli's deal? What is her involvement with the "big plan" (explosion)? And, what is her power?
Also, do you think Peter and Nathan died or just flew out of the atmosphere far enough to not harm anyone? Afterall, if it required Peter dying to avoid the explosion couldn't Claire have just shot him and saved Nathan, her father, from (maybe) dying?
As a neophyte, am I missing something obvious here?
Many thanks to anyone who can help.
Merrylegs
05-21-2007, 10:52 PM
The end of the exploding man part was kind of dumb... 2>1, what an odd decision
ah hah! I thought so too!
I've only started watching Heroes this season so I'm playing catch up.
I have some questions that I am hoping people can answer for me.
What is Mother Petrelli's deal? What is her involvement with the "big plan" (explosion)? And, what is her power?
They've been keeping her somewhat mysterious. She seems sinister, but also seems to be part of the former generations of Heroes. She thought Nathan was going to take the lead role after the nuking of NYC, while the other guy thought that Peter would be the one to save the day. Obviously, the "Nathan taking over" role was portrayed as being a more evil choice.
We don't know what her power is. Don't even know if she's got one. Just that she's mothered the two Petrelli boys which implies that she does have some sort of power.
Also, do you think Peter and Nathan died or just flew out of the atmosphere far enough to not harm anyone?
Definitely a mystery left for us to find out next season. It certainly seems that Nathan has no chance of surviving - I suppose he could just fling Peter off into space while flying out of range of the explosion.
Also, Peter should be able to survive as he's got Claire's regeneration ability.
Afterall, if it required Peter dying to avoid the explosion couldn't Claire have just shot him and saved Nathan, her father, from (maybe) dying?
That is the "Big Plot Hole" that I was complaining about in my earlier post. Why doesn't Claire just shoot him? Then they get Peter out of downtown NYC before he regenerates and explodes again?
As a neophyte, am I missing something obvious here?
Many thanks to anyone who can help.I want to know the reasoning as to how Psylar could live even though he was run through?
ah hah! I thought so too!
I don't understand the 2>1 reference? That both brothers died? I don't think Peter dies when Nathan flies him into the sky. He can certainly fly since he can steal Nathan's flying ability. And exploding doesn't necessarily mean that he dies. In the alternate future, he exploded in downtown NYC and lived.
Also, wasn't the main point that Nathan gave up his chance at power/presidency plus his own life, in order to do the right thing and save millions of lives?
I want to know the reasoning as to how Psylar could live even though he was run through?
Sylar must have *some* kind of injury recovery or slight healing ability. He survived getting shot (we didn't see him stop the bullets with telekinesis) by Matt Parkman in episode or three (whichever episode it was where he raided the FBI's safehouse for Molly and nearly killed Audrey with her own gun). Also, Sylar survived the fall off of the top of the bleachers in Texas when he and Peter fought. You saw him stumbling away, looking a bit dazed and limping, before the Haitian and Eden knocked him out.
Pretty interesting visual motif there with the cockroach on the manhole cover where Sylar escaped. The last time we saw a cockroach was when Sylar was sedated and on the floor of the holding facility in Texas where HRG worked.
By the way, listening this morning, the local radio "personality" called the finale disappointing. I don't agree - what are your opinions?
(and what are the general write-ups/reviews saying?)
Masaya
05-22-2007, 12:22 PM
I thought the final showdown between Peter and Sylar was disappointing, to say the least.
One surprise is that when Jessica/Nikki knocked out the illusion woman (forgot her name), that she kept her original form. I thought for sure that she'd show some sort of "true form" rather than the current actress playing her.
I thought the final showdown between Peter and Sylar was disappointing, to say the least.
I agree with that but maybe the writers chose to avoid that route? Or they didn't have the budget to have Sylar use his cryokinesis, telekinesis, hearing, and liquefication abilities versus Peter showing off with every power he's absorbed?
One surprise is that when Jessica/Nikki knocked out the illusion woman (forgot her name), that she kept her original form. I thought for sure that she'd show some sort of "true form" rather than the current actress playing her.
Plot hole on the writer's part -OR- maybe Candice has spent so much time in that form that it's the form she'll revert to when knocked unconscious? :confused:
On another note, I really loved Nathan coming in to save Peter since Peter was pretty overwhelmed (something people seem to overlook when they ask why Peter didn't just fly away. Or have Jessica knock him out or have Claire shoot him).
And I liked the fact that Nikki now has access to her abilities without having Jessica take over.
Merrylegs
05-22-2007, 09:36 PM
I thought the final showdown between Peter and Sylar was disappointing, to say the least.
I'm thinking it wasn't the final showdown....
Merrylegs
05-22-2007, 09:41 PM
Isn't the draw-back to Peter's ability to absorb power that he can only use them one at a time? At least that seems to be what I'm seeing and hearing a bit from other sites.
Also the Jessica/Nikki duality made me think that the two separate "people" had reconciled back into one person. It's as if the love she has for DL and Mika (so cute!) allowed it to happen.
I wanted to see Candace's true form as well! I was bummed. Since she didn't die I'm guessing we'll be seeing her again next season.
I am aching to know who the "other boogeyman" is. The one that Molly can see but that can see her too. Any guesses?
I loved when Claire flew out the window and was all "to hell with you people". Loved that.
I'm trying to catch up with some of the previous episodes on the SciFi channel. Who knew I'd actually watch that station? Hee Hee.
Thanks for the tibdits.
Masaya
05-23-2007, 02:08 AM
it would be kinda funny if kensei and hiro ended up being the same person.
IMO Hiro f*cked up when he failed to lop off Sylar's noggin.
I also don't know that Nathan and Peter are both necessarily dead. Nathan could've just flown up over the ocean and dropped Peter before he exploded. Then Nathan could have just flown off and Peter would regenerate after his head asplode.
Isn't the draw-back to Peter's ability to absorb power that he can only use them one at a time? At least that seems to be what I'm seeing and hearing a bit from other sites.
Seems to fit what I can remember. How does that affect his ability to survive, though?
Also the Jessica/Nikki duality made me think that the two separate "people" had reconciled back into one person. It's as if the love she has for DL and Mika (so cute!) allowed it to happen.Good point. I found it surprising at first that she didn't know she had super strength, but I guess it makes sense.
I am aching to know who the "other boogeyman" is. The one that Molly can see but that can see her too. Any guesses?
My guess is that it'll be our new "super-villain" since Malcolm McDowell's character appears to be permanently dead. Maybe he'll team up with Sylar?
it would be kinda funny if kensei and hiro ended up being the same person.
Wow - I bet that that is what happens...
IMO Hiro f*cked up when he failed to lop off Sylar's noggin.
Yes, but done intentionally by the writers in order to keep that plot thread alive.
By the way, listening this morning, the local radio "personality" called the finale disappointing. I don't agree - what are your opinions?
(and what are the general write-ups/reviews saying?)
I found some review links over on USA Today's Pop Candy Blog
http://blogs.usatoday.com/popcandy/
TV Squad:
http://www.tvsquad.com/2007/05/21/heroes-how-to-stop-an-exploding-man-season-finale/
The Boston Globe:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2007/05/22/superpowers_can146t_save_145heroes146_finale/
The New York Post:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05222007/tv/explosive_finish_tv_adam_buckman.htm
The San Diego Union-Tribune
http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/tvtracker/archives/010099.html
SPOILERS for season two (you know how this goes: don't read if you don't want to know)
http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=62a29792-b3f3-401a-be08-4c90b16e2bf8
A transcript of the chat Tim Kring (show's creator) and Hayden Panettiere (Claire) gave on Monday night after the East Coast's airing of the finale from NBC's Heroes page (good reading)
http://blog.nbc.com/heroes/
Ugh, the reviews sound more negative than positive...
Ugh, the reviews sound more negative than positive...
I think the reason for that, or, a reason, is because people expected a *huge* showdown between Sylar and Peter and they were probably, mostly, unaware of the fact that Zachary Quinto (Sylar) will be joining the show full-time next season. To kill him off now wasn't the plan. Aside from Nikki taking a shot at him with the parking meter and Peter's punch (I can't recall if Peter absorbed her strength or not at that point. Was it just a punch or a super punch?), that was it and then Hiro came along like Isaac's 9th Wonder comic for the finale blow. So as final confrontations go, it was weak.
Or maybe they didn't have the budget what with all of the other effects in the show (Peter going invisible, Claire's "screw you guys, I'm outta here" exit, Nathan's last minute change-of-heart fly-in, Peter going supernova up in space, etc) :confused:
(I can't recall if Peter absorbed her strength or not at that point. Was it just a punch or a super punch?)
Yeah, Sylar bruised quite a bit from Peter's punches, so I'd call them super punches.
Or maybe they didn't have the budget what with all of the other effects in the show (Peter going invisible, Claire's "screw you guys, I'm outta here" exit, Nathan's last minute change-of-heart fly-in, Peter going supernova up in space, etc) :confused:
Yeah, I bet you're right - they ran out of budget for the FX.
http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Tv-Guide-News/Heroes-Creator-Solves/800015727 (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Tv-Guide-News/Heroes-Creator-Solves/800015727)
Heroes Creator Solves Finale's Biggest Mystery
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Milo Ventimiglia in Heroes by Trae Patton /NBC Photo
You've been wondering, we've been wondering, and you have to figure that Niki, Claire, HRG/Noah, Matt, et al, were wondering, too. At the conclusion of the Kirby Plaza skirmish on Heroes' first-season finale, why didn't Peter just fly his explosive self up, up and away, instead of making Nathan take one for the team, as well? Presented by TV Guide with that burning question, series creator Tim Kring pauses before saying, "You know, theoretically you're not supposed to be thinking about that."
When assured that viewers are, Kring confirms that — as many have theorized — radioactive Peter's other powers were "incapacitated" at that pivotal moment, and "somewhere in there is the explanation" for having Nathan grab his bro and do the "flying man!" thing. "But the real explanation is that we wanted Nathan to show up and [save the day]!"
"Yes, I will admit that there’s a very tiny window of logic there," Kring continues with a laugh. "But what can I say? It's requires the proverbial suspension of disbelief." Which, when airing opposite 24, a season finale is certainly allowed. — Matt Webb Mitovich, with additional reporting by Michael Logan
DWise1
05-30-2007, 03:45 PM
Two explanations on that:
1. Peter calls upon a power by remember the person he had absorbed it from. As most women should know already (but never seem to be able to apply that knowledge), if a guy is busy doing something then his mind is not going to be able to handle doing or thinking about something else that suddenly comes up at the same time (yes, they should know this already, but they go ahead and do it to us anyway -- and then have the audacity to look surprised at his inevitable reaction). He hasn't yet learned to call upon multiple powers simultaneously.
2. (the real reason) The story called for it. Nathan's actions were essential for the development of his character and for the telling of the story.
I have one friend whom I can drive crazy with this. I was a foreign language major before I switched to computer science, so I had taken a lot of literature classes, albeit in German rather than in English. That, coupled with my natural tendency to analyze everything to death, causes me to look at a story in terms the telling of the story -- my younger son, when he was in junior and senior high school, and I used to watch movies and TV together and we'd discuss what we were watching and I'd ask him why certain things were done the way they were or why somebody said something (like illusion girl's pointed comment about people mistreating others just because of how they looked). Then he took a cinematography class in high school and started explaining why certain camera angles and techniques were used. Bottom-line: it's all done in order to tell the story and to develop the characters. And armed with that, one can make some very good guesses about the direction that the story will take.
My friend took a very different path. She was taught to watch movies experientially. She'll sit up close to the movie screen in order to be immersed in it, so that she can experience the story unfolding. She absolutely hates spoilers or being given any kind of information ahead of time. So I've learned to keep my mouth shut. She also loves Heroes, so that's one more thing we can't talk about.
Ain't It Cool News posted this update from this morning's Heroes pres