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SDsalsaguy
01-08-2004, 02:41 AM
New Year’s Eve 2004

So… here’s a post that’s been waiting to be written for several days now (it’s been a little hectic with classes starting back up this week, etc.). I was originally thinking of writing this as a “happy thought” post but realized that that would place it in the DA forum, and this is too much about dance to go there. Anyway, enough rambling on my part, here’s the shpiel…

Let me start off with New Year’s Eve… I was invited to one of the two salsa parties happening in town that night. One of the local DJs and one of the local promoters got together to put on this particular event and both, independently of each other, ended up inviting me to be there. While I’ve thanked each, in person, I just want to say how very much I appreciated their respective invitations. It’s always nice to feel welcome, but even nicer to feel wanted and valued! :D

Well, one of the salseras there (who was among those performing that night) happens to be one of my favorite partners to dance with. We don’t frequent the same clubs on a regular basis, so it is always a treat to get a chance to dance with her and, on this particular evening, the mix of regulars and not-so-regulars provided several opportunities for us to dance. After our first dance, as I was escorting her off the floor I told I told her “it was a pleasure, as always,” to which she responded that she’d just been talking to someone else about how much fun it is to dance with me. Well, let me tell you all, that pretty much made my New Year’s Eve right then and there. This was actually the second time she’s told me this, so seems unlikely to be a fluke. And it means a lot to me, for several reasons. For one thing, she’s a better dancer than I am. She also regularly dances with several guys who are better dancers than I and, exacerbating this, we dance somewhat different basic styles.

I guess the only “downer” of the evening was one of the three DJs. The DJ who was hosting is my favorite DJ in SD, so he was great, and the other SD DJ there plays with him regularly so was also good. The organizer who helped put on the event *loves* to bring down LA DJs though... Now I realize that everyone has their own tastes, but to my mind this guy, who was supposed to be “one of the best in LA” just sucked! In all fairness one of the performers there that night told me that he (the performer) had heard him (the DJ) somewhere else before and that it had been awesome, but that tonight was just terrible. In his first set the LA DJ mixed three merengues together so that there was 15 minutes of merengue straight, without even a break between songs! Who in G-d’s name likes that? I mean seriously now, even if you like merengue, you might appreciate a chance to switch partners or something, no? :roll: :headwall:

In a similarly telling detail, there was one guy, in the entire evening, who, as he took the floor with a partner, backed straight into me and never so much as looked around to apologize. As I watched this same guy dancing later I also noticed a variety of shines performed, over several measures, without looking in his partners direction even one…guess what? He turned out to be the LA DJ’s brother! :evil: (Just as an aside, I swear to G-d that – as much as it may not seem like it – there are *many* LA salsa dancers who I very much enjoy dancing with and/or admire! My gripe is only with the “only turbo, look at my spins and tricks, is my partner good enough for me to look good” crowd.)

Tragically the LA DJ was the one who played the last set of the night so, very much related to the issues MapleLeaf Salsero raises here (http://www.dance-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=1935), I was rather hesitant to approach the salsera I enjoy so much since only faster songs were being played and we do not connect as well for these. Actually, the last three songs of the night were all of the ultra-turbo variety. What type of moron finishes off New Year’s Eve with three back to back turbo salsas? :headwall: Anyhow, given how rarely I see this particular salsera I decided I didn’t want to let the opportunity pass me by so did dance with her a couple of more times, but it did sort of leave a bad taste in my mouth…we didn’t connect as well as we had earlier (and as I knew would be the case given the music) and I very much regret that those were our last dances of the night. I just hate to think that I left her with a less enjoyable dance than we started out with… :cry:

An interesting twist involved a small group (probably about 10-15 people) from some other New Year’s party in the same hotel dropping in at the very end of our event who all applauded after each song as we wrapped up our event. As a larger issue this was pretty illustrative of the different eyes that dancers and lay people see dance with as well as different frames of reference…what they thought of as applause worthy displays were, in my mind, disappointing conclusions to the night.

Anyway, I was invited to an after party at the DJ’s house after our event wound down. I was one of the first people back to the house and, while we were waiting for the others to arrive, one of the other salseros completed making my night with a couple of comments. Apparently he too had observed my last dance of the night with the salsera I mention above and said that he had enjoyed vicariously being along for the ride, just watching us. I thanked him for the compliment but also had to lament the fact that that was our last song/dance of the evening (for the reasons already specified). He said that surprised him and then went on to say that watching that one dance alone, and his vicarious experiencing of it, had been worth coming back into town for…he had just got back from Germany where he’d been for Christmas! :D As if that wasn’t good enough, he also went on to allay some of my concerns regarding that last dance having been something of a disappointment to her, telling me that she seemed to look serious most of the time but there were many times during our dance where she would just beam. :D

A bunch of additional people later, several snacks, a good salsa DVD, a couple more dances, a cup of coffee, and several bottles of water later I called it a night, came home, and got to work on compiling The 2003 DF Awards (http://www.dance-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=1862).

…and that was my New Year’s Eve, con salsa, 2004! :D

borikensalsero
01-08-2004, 08:59 AM
SD, if I were a lady, I would move to Cali so I can have a chance to dance with you. It truly seems that we see eye to eye when it comes to dancing.

I too disagree with the last songs of the night being turbo songs. Maybe the latecomers were still full of energy, hence, enjoyed the speed of the songs, not necessarily considering the timing. I too would have looked at them funny though. I can't stand the "look at me", "is she good enough to make me look good" fellows. Do you think is an age thing, considering age to be some sort of obscure measure of maturity?

On the DJs defense, some time DJs do have an off night. Perhaps, Dj-ing for the event got the better of him. However, does a DJ who chokes when the spotlight is on, a good DJ? Although, in my opinion a good DJ would never finish a song, not even a last set with turbo-me-to-faint songs.

It’s a wonderful feeling when a better dancer enjoys sharing the dance-floor with us. It’s such an uplifting feeling. I am glad to hear that even when you didn’t matched that first dance, you were able to find out that she beamed at times as well. I feel you though, the last dance, at least to me, means so much. It did sound like a great way to receive and end a year, with SALSA

MapleLeaf Salsero
01-08-2004, 11:13 AM
Hi SD,

I´m gald you had an enjoyable New Year´s Eve party.

What type of moron finishes off New Year’s Eve with three back to back turbo salsas?

Now that was funny! :lol: (I´m still laughing)

I can´t agree with you more. I think that DJs often forget that the music there´re playing are for the people on the dancefloor! A 15 minute merengue song (or 3 blended together) is far too much! I personally have a limited amount of merengue patterns and will have to repeat them over and over again during the never ending merengue. Besides, you start to become emotionally and physically tired.

Turbo salsas are not apropriate to finish off the night (or to start it off). I find myself sometimes arguing with DJs about this kind of thing. They usually brush me off with some kind of "Yeh, I´ll see what I can do". Right!

Don´t they hit the dancefloor once in a while as we do?. Aren´t they supposed to know theses things? I once complained to a DJ at the end of the night informing him that 95% turbo salsas and 5% medium salsas was too much for the salseros/as. He looked at me with awe and said, "I played some slow salsas also". I then asked him to give me an example. Since he couldn´t remember any, he said the salseros seemed to be enjoying the turbo salsas... Really? Is that why half way through the night there were no more than 5/6 couples on the dancefloor?

This gets me worried because I usually only get my salsa fix through slow or medium salsas. I did however manage to acheive this once thru a fast song...

Regards,

borikensalsero
01-08-2004, 12:29 PM
I too wonder why DJs seem to get a kick out of that fast stuff all night long when they themselves dance. There are a number of DJs here in NY City who can hold their own on the dancefloor, however, they seem to not see that speed monsters empty the floor rather quick. I really think they play for themselves instead of the dancers.

SDsalsaguy
01-08-2004, 02:48 PM
Thank you so much Boriken. Coming from you I take that as a compliment of the highest order indeed!

As far as the latecomers, they were just spectating! Who gives a @$#&% what they might have enjoyed watching, the DJ was – well, at least in theory – supposed to be playing for us (i.e. the dancers who actually came to this event).

Now as for your suggestion about an age discrepancy, while I think there may be something to this I also don’t think that, in and of itself, accounts for everything. In particular I’m thinking of a couple of 50+ guys in town who still use neck drops on a social floor vs. my favorite salsa partner in Århus who was in her mid-20s but ticked me off by apologizing for not doing “styling.”*

MapleLeaf and Boriken... regarding the general DJ thing, isn’t it amazing how many of them seem oblivious to the dance floor? Umm, hello? Did you not notice the floor emptying out? Or, even if there are enough dancers taking turns to keep the floor packed or enough hard core dancers who’ll dance anyway, how about some basic logic here? I agree that far too many DJs play what they want to hear regardless of the “danceability” of their overall selections. I don’t know, maybe the fact that they only come down to the floor for short bursts at a time has something to do with this? As regards this particular DJ, anytime the DJ starts their first set with edited music announcing their “handle”? Well, you know it’s going to be a long night, now don’t you…


* I actually find this interesting in its own right, as it seems to suggest that some ways of moving count as styling while others don’t…as if it is possible to dance without one’s own style! I do, of course, recognize the larger notion here, that there are stylistic embellishments that some people and some styles emphasize over others and/or use more than others.

danceguy
01-09-2004, 12:47 AM
SD,

I really enjoyed hearing about your new years festivities! Now the question that begs to be asked, did you ask this woman out? :P :ladiesma: :P

I find it very interesting to hear everyone's stories about DJ's - I'm very new to the club Salsa scene so I've only seen our two regular DJ's that we have at the nightclub I go to.

Interestingly enough, they are both female, one of which spends most of her time on the dance floor and is a really good dancer. I always smile when I see her out there dancing away, and then rushing back to change the song right before its over. :P

Even when she isn't on the floor (which isn't very often), she's always standing up on the DJ platform doing Salsa by herself and her energy is added to everyone on the floor. The other DJ dances quite a bit too, but I have no idea if this is considered right or wrong by anyone's standards, as I don't have a large set of club experiences to draw upon.

The only problem I have ever had with a DJ was at a ballroom school dance (not my regular venue either), and the DJ said he was going to put on a hot salsa next, and I felt my blood surge when he said this as I had been waiting for one all night. One of the best dancers there whom I really loved to dance with came up to me and asked if I did Salsa, to which I replied "HELL YES, LET'S DANCE!" :P

So the song came on...and right away I suddenly felt that I was off...and that the music was missing something. I apologized to my partner for messing things up, and then she said "you know, he made a mistake. This isn't a Salsa, its a Samba, but you can still sort of Salsa to it." I tried that and didn't do too well, so I ended up learning some basic Samba from her instead of having a good Salsa dance...which made me want to go over to the DJ and kick him in the rear. :roll:

And oddly enough, the DJ was the owner and main instructor at the dance school. :shock: :roll: :shock:

borikensalsero
01-09-2004, 09:06 AM
This isn't a Salsa, its a Samba,

:shock: :shock:

You should have kicked him in the rear!!!

borikensalsero
01-09-2004, 09:43 AM
You are very welcome SD. It is my pleasure to know that you share the same passion as I :D

I’m still trying to figure out why some people have a need to do a neck drop on a social floor. I’m always amazed at the egos flying high on the dancefloor. I really can’t comprehend why some people who can do the same, never do, yet other seem to always do it, regardless of situation. The see no line separating the stage and the floor. I was hoping age had something to do with it, but as you’ve mentioned, apparently not. Can the Ego control a person so much even at the latter stage of their life? I can see in youth, were we are still trying to find out the extent at which the ego is allowed to manifest itself, but crapola, wouldn’t it finally realize that not everything in the world is for self indulgance?

About your fore mentioned DJ, yeah, I would have to pull one of those shine moves where you kick a leg forward and hope my shoe comes off and smacks him right on the chin. Dude, wake up, get of the high horse and come down to earth, you are stinking up the joint.

I have a belief that Male DJ has far less grasp about danceability than female DJs. I tend to say so because of the large amount of male dancers who stand growing roots in one spot, spin and flip the girl for a 6 minute song then literally walk off the dance floor, chin up in the air. The girl has to take a 3-song break just to catch her breath, while he can go on and do the same to a different lady.

A lot of DJs truly don’t see the floor emptying out. I can’t stand those nights, where I must look at my lady and say. Hon, if we don’t dance these horrible songs, we won’t dance all night waiting for him to figure out that his songs truly stink. It sucks having a hardcore salsa addiction; you are set up for so many falls by so called Salsero DJs. Night and night again we hear less and less good music, settling for the classics that aren’t, and pop salsa DJs think is classic. That said, I went out last night and Darn!!!! The DJs were 100 hot. I danced non-stop for about 3 hours, it was the best DJ night they’ve had a this particular Thursday venue. HOT HOT HOT HOT Sizzling HOT

peachexploration
01-09-2004, 04:05 PM
About your fore mentioned DJ, yeah, I would have to pull one of those shine moves where you kick a leg forward and hope my shoe comes off and smacks him right on the chin. Dude, wake up, get of the high horse and come down to earth, you are stinking up the joint.

ROTFL! Too funny!

SDsalsaguy
01-11-2004, 10:57 PM
Now the question that begs to be asked, did you ask this woman out?
Silly SG, don’t you know that on floor chemistry neither implies nor necessarily translates into off the floor chemistry? :lol:

Seriously though, she’s a sweetheart but the thought never crossed my mind. For one thing there’s a whole religion thing going on. Aside from which, one of those better dancers I mentioned in my first post, is her boyfriend. :lol:

As far as your samba for salsa story, I’ll do you one better. Several years ago I was at a collegiate ballroom comp at UNLV. Now while I don’t really even like the idea of salsa competitions, there was one ballroom partner I had at the time who I’d social dance salsa with at various ballroom comps. Well, long story short, we line up for our salsa event and what does the DJ start playing? …you guessed it, a frickin samba! :headwall: :headwall: :headwall:

We almost convinced the rest of our group to go out on the floor and *dance* samba (we figured if they commented on us doing the “wrong” dance we could comment on them playing the wrong music!) but, unfortunately, there were two couples in our group who didn’t know samba…

Boriken…I sooooooo feel you regarding the clueless DJ syndrome! Seriously now, how many brain cells does it take to figure out that if half the dance floor is clearing out maybe, just maybe, your selections are lacking? :?

danceguy
01-12-2004, 12:51 AM
Silly SG, don’t you know that on floor chemistry neither implies nor necessarily translates into off the floor chemistry?

I know SD, I was teasing you a bit! When I go out to dance Salsa, I go out to dance and enjoy being part of the community...I tend to ignore any women that come on to me. I take a long time to build trust...so I'm not in any hurry to go girl chasing these days. :)

Aside from which, one of those better dancers I mentioned in my first post, is her boyfriend.

I can't believe how many guys I've known have used this excuse! Boyfriends can be beat up, and girlfriends can be stolen away...heck this is America isn't it? :P :wink: :P

Well, long story short, we line up for our salsa event and what does the DJ start playing? …you guessed it, a frickin samba!

Perhaps we need to create a college for Salsa DJ's, and for their final exam - if they accidently play a Samba instead of a Salsa, they'll get an instant F. :D

SG