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gtdaniel
06-24-2007, 09:37 PM
Hey Everyone,
I recently purchased the ISTD Ballroom Technique. It arrived over the weekend and i have been focusing on learning the waltz figures that i haven't learned yet in my private lessons. I am getting used to understanding all the notation, and most of the figures make sense to me..but i am confused about the Reverse Corte...here's the issue:
It seems to me that there is really only one "step", since step 2 is closing without weight and step 3 is position held..so you are left with your left foot free and you are left Backing DC against LOD (which is also facing DW, correct?). The follows step is a 4-6 of a natural turn. Wouldn't doing this step leave me backing the LOD? Why would i want to do that as opposed to some forward moving step like a LF Change or a Whisk like most other figures? This confusion leads me to believe that i may be interpreting something incorrectly. Can anyone clear this up for me?
Thanks,
Daniel
ACtenDance
06-24-2007, 10:01 PM
A common place to do this figure is in a corner after doing a natural spin turn. A common follow is a back whisk. Haven't ever seen anyone use 4-6 of a natural turn as a follow... possible, but not necessarily wise in most cases. This figure can look very impressive due to the amount of turn done so compactly. This is probably the closest you can get to a "line" figure in bronze waltz.
gtdaniel
06-24-2007, 10:39 PM
Yeah, the back whisk is the other listed option...why is a back whisk an option but not a forward whisk or change? I have never done the step before or even seen it executed...is it something about the momentum you generate turning that makes a back step the only option? Also, could you elaborate on what makes it a "line" figure? Thanks again. :-)
Terpsichorean Clod
06-24-2007, 11:25 PM
Hi Daniel! Congrats on your new acquisition! I haven't had mine for much longer than you. I also just recently got Alex Moore's Ballroom Dancing, which says to follow a reverse corte ending backing DC against LOD with a (4-6) natural turn with no turn. Not sure why you'd want to still call it a natural turn... :shrug: Anyway, the book also suggests overturning the reverse corte - 1/2 turn on reverse corte followed by 1/8 turn on natural, or 5/8 turn on reverse corte followed by 1/4 turn on natural.
gtdaniel
06-24-2007, 11:32 PM
Hi Daniel! Congrats on your new acquisition! I haven't had mine for much longer than you. I also just recently got Alex Moore's Ballroom Dancing, which says to follow a reverse corte ending backing DC against LOD with a (4-6) natural turn with no turn. Not sure why you'd want to still call it a natural turn... :shrug: Anyway, the book also suggests overturning the reverse corte - 1/2 turn on reverse corte followed by 1/8 turn on natural, or 5/8 turn on reverse corte followed by 1/4 turn on natural.
Hey TC, so would that be second half of a right closed box? I guess if the momentum from the corte is carrying you backwards, that would be the logical way to setup for another natural figure.
How you you like the Alex Moore book? Do you find it very useful considering you have the grey book as well?
Terpsichorean Clod
06-24-2007, 11:46 PM
Yes. Shhhh. You're not supposed to say the "B" word. From speaking to some International dancers, it sounds like those don't even exist. ;) I'd been taking American Smooth classes for 8 months before I learned there were other ways of getting around the room besides closed (not gonna say it) B___. :oops:
Ballroom Dancing doesn't cover the entire syllabus. Still, I think the foot diagrams can be a nice aid. Just now, I had it open to a diagram of the reverse corte to natural turn (with no turn :rolleyes:). Also, I like the initial chapters on basic technique - hold, rise, stepping forward/backward, etc. Not that I'm really absorbing it. I'll have to come back from time to time.
gtdaniel
06-24-2007, 11:56 PM
I was actually thinking of making my own foot charts from the grey book. :p
I am getting used to understanding all the notation, and most of the figures make sense to me...
Just wanted to say, kudos! Half those manuals appear to me as some sort of dead language from an alien civilization...
And also, I just noticed you. :) Welcome to the DF! You're from Georgia... a southern state. ;) (I'm a Mississippi girl!) I got all nosey and checked out your profile.. noticed you're on myspace... I hope you accept my request!
gtdaniel
06-25-2007, 12:10 AM
Just wanted to say, kudos! Half those manuals appear to me as some sort of dead language from an alien civilization...
And also, I just noticed you. :) Welcome to the DF! You're from Georgia... a southern state. ;) (I'm a Mississippi girl!) I got all nosey and checked out your profile.. noticed you're on myspace... I hope you accept my request!
Consider it done. :-) That's a cool profile picture by the way.
Terpsichorean Clod
06-25-2007, 12:13 AM
I was actually thinking of making my own foot charts from the grey book. :p
Great! You make the diagrams, and I'll buy your new edition. :D
Yeah, the back whisk is the other listed option...why is a back whisk an option but not a forward whisk or change? I have never done the step before or even seen it executed...is it something about the momentum you generate turning that makes a back step the only option? Also, could you elaborate on what makes it a "line" figure? Thanks again. :-)
Hi daniel!
The figure ends preparing the lady to go forward OP on the next figure, thus a change or whisk wouldn't fit. As for the nature of the direction of the figure, you are correct--technically you can go anywhere you want at any time, but it would be a bit awkward to go forward (as the man) on step 4 of a natural wouldn't it?
gtdaniel
06-25-2007, 12:42 AM
Hi daniel!
The figure ends preparing the lady to go forward OP on the next figure, thus a change or whisk wouldn't fit. As for the nature of the direction of the figure, you are correct--technically you can go anywhere you want at any time, but it would be a bit awkward to go forward (as the man) on step 4 of a natural wouldn't it?
Thanks Josh...I heard about Allegro. :-( Where are you teaching now?
Alex Moore's Ballroom Dancing, which says to follow a reverse corte ending backing DC against LOD with a (4-6) natural turn with no turn. Not sure why you'd want to still call it a natural turn... :shrug:
TC, I can't be sure either but a likely reason is that there's no "back change step" (as in VW, for example), so maybe putting it this way was the easiest way? Also, as you mentioned, you can overturn the corte and underturn the natural to get a DW-facing alignment, so just saying "natural turn" after the corte rotating various degrees was the easiest way to write it.
Thanks Josh...I heard about Allegro. :-( Where are you teaching now?
Academy--just had first lessons yesterday, got several tomorrow as well and liking it very much there!
gtdaniel
06-25-2007, 12:51 AM
Fantastic, well I'll definitely see you there. Danella mentioned that Tatyana, Michael, and Tanya might be going to Academy, I'm glad to hear you made it there. I actually have a lesson at 1:15 tomorrow so maybe I will see you soon. :-)
I actually have a lesson at 1:15 tomorrow so maybe I will see you soon. :-)
Yes definitely--I'll be there at 1:30, see you then!
tangotime
06-25-2007, 03:41 AM
It looks like I may have posted a response to this, in another post--ooops!
( or are they coincidentally 2 separate ones ) Appears so-- in Syl q
You could also do a closed finish.
Terpsichorean Clod
06-25-2007, 11:02 AM
TC, I can't be sure either but a likely reason is that there's no "back change step" (as in VW, for example), so maybe putting it this way was the easiest way? Also, as you mentioned, you can overturn the corte and underturn the natural to get a DW-facing alignment, so just saying "natural turn" after the corte rotating various degrees was the easiest way to write it.
Thanks for the explanation, Josh. I think that makes a lot of sense. :D
etale
09-27-2008, 09:26 AM
I am confused reading the ISTD Ballroom Technique:
Man, second step.
Feet positions: Left foot closes to right foot without weight
Footwork: Heel of left foot, then toes of both feet
How do you turn on heel of left foot having left foot closed without weight?
Larinda McRaven
09-27-2008, 10:09 AM
You don't turn on the heel of your left foot. You are turing on your right foot while the heel of your left foot touches the floor as it moves towards the right foot, similar to an impetus.
I am confused reading the ISTD Ballroom Technique:
Man, second step.
Feet positions: Left foot closes to right foot without weight
Footwork: Heel of left foot, then toes of both feet
How do you turn on heel of left foot having left foot closed without weight?
You don't--you turn on the right foot, with the weight toward the heel. The left heel drags on the close on 2, and then you will use some pressure on the toe of your LF as the rise occurs.
Once you feel comfortable with this version though, try the alternate "THT" version, as it generates a larger swing for the lady and a slighly quicker rise.
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