DWTS Season 5 - Week 6 [Archive]

anp73ga31

10-29-2007, 11:16 AM

This should be an interesting week. Several of the stars seem to be out of their comfort zone.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.

I hope poor Helio can get back to how he used to be before he started thinking too hard about dancing. Otherwise I'm afraid he could be on the chopping block here soon. Of course, now that only the good ones are left, its anyone's guess as to who will go next. The bottom two have been quite random this time(with the exception of a few people).

reb

10-29-2007, 01:08 PM

This should be an interesting week. Several of the stars seem to be out of their comfort zone.
Agree.

Although . . . my reaction to Sabrina doing Foxtrot is that she is getting a dance likely to be more within her comfort zone since Foxtrot *can* be jazz-y (since they're typically doing Smooth vs Standard, although it does depend on the music selection).

two_left_feet

10-29-2007, 03:34 PM

Jane will have a rough night doing a jive and a rock-n-roll group dance. And she's been in the bottom 2, so I think she'll go this week.

gingerbread

10-29-2007, 03:38 PM

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.

I hope poor Helio can get back to how he used to be before he started thinking too hard about dancing. Otherwise I'm afraid he could be on the chopping block here soon. Of course, now that only the good ones are left, its anyone's guess as to who will go next. The bottom two have been quite random this time(with the exception of a few people).

Sorry, I can't call Cameron one of the good ones, even if he has improved a lot since the first shows.

My Ox Is Broken

10-29-2007, 04:08 PM

I agree, gingerbread. It looks like Mel, Jennie, and Marie have dances they could execute really well, and I hope they do. It would be nice to see Helio return to his early form as well.

anp73ga31

10-29-2007, 04:12 PM

Jane will have a rough night doing a jive and a rock-n-roll group dance. And she's been in the bottom 2, so I think she'll go this week.

Well, thats the thing. Mel and Max have also been in the bottom two. So if they do bad, they could be in the bottom two as well. It could really go either way.

anp73ga31

10-29-2007, 04:13 PM

Sorry, I can't call Cameron one of the good ones, even if he has improved a lot since the first shows.

I was only calling him "good" as compared to Mark Cuban, Wayne Newton and all the others who are already gone who were much worse. Thats the ONLY way his dancing can be called good (and even that's a stretch).

DancePoet

10-29-2007, 07:10 PM

Sabrina's foxtrot was less then what it could be. She miss stepped in at least one and maybe even two spots, arms weren't flowing smoothly throughout, a little to sharp in her movements, limited amount of swing, ... hmmm ... what did I miss?

DancePoet

10-29-2007, 07:21 PM

Jennie's mambo seemed to have less dancing then there could have been. I wasn't as fully thrilled as the judges seemed to be.

salsera_alemana

10-29-2007, 07:25 PM

DancePoet,
At least you seem to agree with me. I did not see at all what the judges saw, we must have seen a completely different dance.

Thas mambo was awful, deserved 21 at the very most. She did not do one single decent basic step, it was all posing and she was very stiff when doing a few steps. I think I can judge a good from a bad mambo although I am not a ballroom dancer. But I have seen tons of real good to great mambo performances over the past years. And this was terrible.

I completely agree on Cameron. He has no feeling for the music, he is stiff and he mostly poses and his only plus is Edyta. And as a person he is also dull, at least for me, he starts annoying me with his comments.

salsera_alemana

10-29-2007, 07:32 PM

Jane looked so cute and sexy in her outfit. But her jive totally lacked energy, it was not good at all, I am afraid.

Do they all not live up to the level they showed in the past weeks or is it me, am I too critical today?

bluehatter

10-29-2007, 07:42 PM

Do they all not live up to the level they showed in the past weeks or is it me, am I too critical today?

No, I agree with you. Maybe they are all just tired, especially since they had to learn a group dance too this week. I'm watching Cameron right now and this has to be one of the least energetic Sambas I have ever seen. I hope they aren't too burned out.

DancePoet

10-29-2007, 07:44 PM

Jane's jive seemed to lack a bit of jump to it, seemed off on the music in places, and she didn't strike me as being much better than the other two ladies so far.

salsera_alemana

10-29-2007, 07:44 PM

Again I did not see what the judges saw.

I thought that was Cameron's best dance so far, at least for me. He did not only pose but actually did some dancing and to me it looked like samba dancing, he surprised me.

And like Carrie Ann I got the spirit of the dance. Samba comes from the "jungle", has African roots, so why does that bother the judges?

You guys who are Latin ballroom dancers tell me...

DancePoet

10-29-2007, 07:45 PM

Cameron was doing Samba? Oh, wait, ok, I did see in in the last third of the performance, ok. :roll:

Blah.

Merrylegs

10-29-2007, 07:45 PM

And like Carrie Ann I got the spirit of the dance. Samba comes from the "jungle", has African roots, so why does that bother the judges?

You guys who are Latin ballroom dancers tell me...

Exactly. It wasn't latin Ballroom. It was more (or less) Brazilian Samba which is a lot different.

Not a bad routine but a little quiet in places.

DancePoet

10-29-2007, 07:47 PM

Do they all not live up to the level they showed in the past weeks or is it me, am I too critical today?
I am beginning to wonder if I'm being too critical this week as well.

DancePoet

10-29-2007, 07:56 PM

Ok, Mel's rumba was very good. There was one spot where I sensed she and Maks were slightly off and she seemed to rush her steps to catch up. Her motions were much more rumba like then what we typically see from the stars, and yet it didn't seem complete.

DancePoet

10-29-2007, 07:57 PM

I'd give the following scores so far ...

Mel ... 9
Sabrina ... 8
Jennie ... 8
Jane ... 8
Cameron ... 7

DancePoet

10-29-2007, 07:59 PM

What? Mel only trained 6 hours this past week? While the others averaged 20?

Well, something seems odd there.

old dog

10-29-2007, 07:59 PM

Was Mel B's dance a Rhumba? I failed to see anything I recognized, but I'm an amateur. Maybe it was the music. I failed to hear a rhythm I recognized. How the heck did she get 30 points?

Sagitta

10-29-2007, 08:11 PM

sabrina's foxtrot - too sharp pour moi

samba - not enough energy

jive - too quiet

mambo - again -- too weak.

DancePoet

10-29-2007, 08:17 PM

I liked most of Marie's Paso. :cool:

...

Helio's song seemed more like a hustle.

And how much cha-cha was in the routine? :roll:

DancePoet

10-29-2007, 08:19 PM

My scores this time ...

I'd give the following scores so far ...

Mel ... 9
Marie ... 9
Sabrina ... 8
Helio ... 8
Jennie ... 8
Jane ... 8
Cameron ... 7

RickRS

10-29-2007, 08:56 PM

On the plus side, as far as the TV audience will likely judge, Jennie and Helio seemed to be enjoying themselves a bit more this week, which translates into smiles during the dance, which means more votes.

Helio had his megawatt smile going. Jennie did get that frighten/nervous look a couple of times, but was actually smiles for the most part. What do that have to do with dancing ability? We'll forgive more when the "performer" appears more relaxed/confident.

Sagitta

10-29-2007, 09:29 PM

I liked most of Marie's Paso. :cool:

...

Helio's song seemed more like a hustle.

And how much cha-cha was in the routine? :roll:yup. Nice funky song but I did not see the song's mood translated well into helio's dancing. He needed a toned down song for the way he was moving...

And I must admit that I did like marie's paso quite a bit...

waltzgirl

10-29-2007, 10:44 PM

I'm watching the show now (west coast). I have to say that I'm a lot less addicted to it than in previous seasons. I even went to the grocery store tonight knowing I wouldn't be back in time to see the beginning. I think it's because there is no one whose dancing I'm rooting for. Last season was Apolo. I thought at first it would be Helio, but his slide has been surprising. I've voted some, for Mark Cuban because I liked his attitude and Jane to support the "woman of a certain age" demographic, but not really for anyone's dancing.

I liked Jane's costume. Very cute and she looks even younger in a ponytail.

anp73ga31

10-29-2007, 11:00 PM

I could barely watch Jane dance tonight. First, the outfit looked all wrong for her. The skirt showed her skinny legs and the fact that more of them showed just emphasized her awkwardness when dancing jive. If they would have given her more of an outfit like they gave Jennie for the group dance, it probably would have hid some of the awkwardness in her long legs and it wouldnt have looked so bad. Plus they just looked like they were trying to make her look too young, and it wasnt believable. I'm afraid she's going to go this week. :(

I liked Jennie's mambo and Helio's chacha because they looked like they were having fun doing it. Agree with the others that there wasnt much to the routines, though.

Marie's paso was disappointing. I did feel like she played it safe....he had her either posing or on the floor most of the time and it just seemed, well slow and not as energetic as I would have hoped. Compare it to Jennie's from earlier on, and it lacked sooo much.

Mel's rumba wasnt the greatest, but it did seem the closest to "right" of all the dances of the night. Max does well with rumbas. I think Samantha hurt her with the comment about the 6 hours of practice, though. Bet that cost quite a few votes. Great going, Samantha.

I didnt understand how Edyta's and Cameron's indian outfits fit with brazilian samba. :confused: And they slowed down the music to a crawl! What a great song to dance to when done at regular speed. If he couldnt have done it at regular speed, couldnt they at least have let him TRY to do it somewhere in between? It was blatantly obvious that they had slowed it down so he could do what he needed to do. The samba wasnt bad but I felt as if I was watching it in slow motion or something.

Sabrina would be great if she could just understand how to do "slow". Cant Mark explain it to her and get her to understand? Maybe let her watch some pros do a real foxtrot or waltz or something(like Valentina, who danced just last week....even when doing faster movements, she is still so smooth). She kept flinging her head and self around, which made for jumpy transitions rather than smooth ones.

The only thing I truly liked tonight was the group dance. Which was a surprise to me, as I didnt like the one Christian and his group of dancers did the other night and dont like the style in general. I think its because the women purposefully try to not look graceful and instead land their jumps and such with knees open and flat footed, etc.

Vince A

10-29-2007, 11:35 PM

******yawn***************

My Ox Is Broken

10-29-2007, 11:49 PM

reb

10-30-2007, 12:39 AM

Marie's paso was disappointing. I did feel like she played it safe....he had her either posing or on the floor most of the time and it just seemed, well slow and not as energetic as I would have hoped.

******yawn***************

The paso music made me yawn

DancePoet

10-30-2007, 08:43 AM

It was advertised on T.V. this morning that Barry Manilow would be on the show this evening.

LucyDiamond

10-30-2007, 08:54 AM

Berry Manilow - yuck! Glad I'll be in dance class.

mamboqueen

10-30-2007, 09:32 AM

Copa Cabana here we come! (think it'll be another practice night for me, too, Luce!)

LucyDiamond

10-30-2007, 09:45 AM

Well, Copa would be better than "I write the songs the whole world sings"... by a slim margin...

Pacion

10-30-2007, 09:49 AM

It was advertised on T.V. this morning that Barry Manilow would be on the show this evening.

rotfl! In less than an hour, since DP posted this, TWO people have said they will be in dance class! I wonder if this wasn't a plan on the teachers, to make sure that their students turned up for classes/practice? I can see this appearing in teacher training manuals (tell your students Barry Manilow is going to be on television, in 'x' programme, to reduce 'truancy'!) ;) :lol:

"Serious" question. In one of the UK newspapers where they were 'reporting' on Mel B's rumba, the journalist wrote: "The singer scored a maximum 30 points as she performed a sizzling version of the Cuban dance."

Cuban dance? Is the rumba originally from Cuba? I know Cubans have a dance form called rumba/rhumba which I understand to be very different from the Latin dance/Dancesport rumba. Can someone tell me please, the origins of the rumba Mel B danced?

gingerbread

10-30-2007, 10:00 AM

we are alll being quite critical, aren't we? Are we wrong to have higher expectations? THese are non-dancers after all (except for Sabrina). They do seem tired, don't they? There definitely is no superstar this time round, it reminds me of the season Drew Lachey won. I would have to say at this point that Mel is the best dancer, disregarding whether or not I like the personality she chooses to project.
Who will go tonight ir more who will not go? Not Mel, not Sabrina, not Helio. I think Marie, Jane or Cameron are likeliest to go. What do you think?

and123

10-30-2007, 10:27 AM

I don't think it's so much us being overly critical as it is the judges seemingly not seeing what we are seeing (or ignoring it). It's almost as if they're afraid to criticize certain people, or are playing favorites. Not cool. For instance, with Jane, I think all of them mentioned Jive not being a good match for her dance-wise. How about some real constructive criticism? They don't seem to hesitate doing that for Sabrina.

Gahhhhhh :rolleyes:

mamboqueen

10-30-2007, 10:31 AM

I'm watching the show now (west coast). I have to say that I'm a lot less addicted to it than in previous seasons. ....

I liked Jane's costume. Very cute and she looks even younger in a ponytail.

I agree; I think it's lost its steam for me and I don't really work my schedule around the show like I used to ;). Besides, I can always watch the performances on MOIB.

I didn't have a problem with Jane's costume per se, but I wasn't crazy about the shoes. They just constantly drew my eye to them, and either she wasn't really pointing her toes, or the shoes gave that effect. I thought she looked nice otherwise, although the "jive" was a bit on the slow side.

The other performances were all okay for me, although like DP, I didn't get much "cha cha" from Helio's performance. Marie scares me now when she is on the floor for any reason...and I'm not really a fan of a woman being dragged around the floor by a man. Nothing to do with dance, just a negative image in my mind.

My favorite performance was Mel. She looked so relaxed and had some really nice movement. And Max looked pretty hot...I'm liking white shirts/black pants these days.

gingerbread

10-30-2007, 10:37 AM

I haven't seen Apollo anywhere since he won. Does he do appearances for the ballrooom world?

gingerbread

10-30-2007, 04:13 PM

Trying to figure out who they will ask to do the "repeat" performance. Should be Mel, as her rumba was best, but as she did one last week, I figure they will go with Helio.

anp73ga31

10-30-2007, 04:33 PM

Having Helio do the encore would make sense.

As for being rather critical, well, I guess thats the dancing curse. We know what its supposed to look like, and we know what our instructors would probably tell the stars to help them out, and then you hear the judges go off on something totally different, so the stars dont get it at all, and they do the same thing the next week, etc. Frustrating.

I have a confession....I actually like Barry Manilow. :oops:

Was anyone's radio station talking this morning about Julianne, um, breaking wind? lol! America must REALLY be bored...I heard it on the radio, then saw it online. And I didnt even catch it last night! had to go back and watch it again! Poor Julianne! I'd have DIED!!!

DancePoet

10-30-2007, 08:25 PM

rotfl! In less than an hour, since DP posted this, TWO people have said they will be in dance class! I wonder if this wasn't a plan on the teachers, to make sure that their students turned up for classes/practice? I can see this appearing in teacher training manuals (tell your students Barry Manilow is going to be on television, in 'x' programme, to reduce 'truancy'!) ;) :lol:
:lol:

Actually, he just did a song I hadn't heard previously, and he did ok.

What was super had to be Louis and Cheryl's dance to his song. And it seemed they actually showed quite a bit of the dancing. :notworth:

DancePoet

10-30-2007, 08:30 PM

They redid the group dance from last night, without Jane, food poisoning if I heard it correctly.

Mel & Max made it, as did Jane & Tony.

DancePoet

10-30-2007, 08:32 PM

That other group dance by whomever, seemed lame to me. The SO's son thought it was really blah compared to everything else he has seen over the last five seasons, and he isn't a dancer.

waltzgirl

10-30-2007, 08:37 PM

They redid the group dance from last night, without Jane, food poisoning if I heard it correctly.

Mel & Max made it, as did Jane & Tony.

I like Jane and am glad she's staying. But I wonder about the food poisoning. She seemed noticably less energetic and on top of the routine last night than the others were.

Maybe she was already getting sick. (But I'm cynical, having pulled the "food poisioning" excuse once or twice myself. :mrgreen::nope::oops:)

DancePoet

10-30-2007, 08:44 PM

Manilow's redition of Mandy wasn't good to start off, and it hurt to listen. He improved by the end, and seemed to be hitting the notes better.

Seemed he was really struggling with his voice early on, kind of sad.

Indiana_Jay

10-30-2007, 08:50 PM

:lol:

Actually, he just did a song I hadn't heard previously, and he did ok.

What was super had to be Louis and Cheryl's dance to his song. And it seemed they actually showed quite a bit of the dancing. :notworth:

Manilow was way out of tune on the first number. Kids who get cut from American Idol sing better!

DancePoet

10-30-2007, 08:54 PM

Maybe I was just blown away by the dancing? ;)

Oh, and Helio made it to next week.

Indiana_Jay

10-30-2007, 08:54 PM

The paso music made me yawn

It sounded like they brought in a bad high school band to play it. Did you hear the clarinet player squeak at the beginning of the song? Amazing.

DancePoet

10-30-2007, 08:58 PM

Jennie and Marie are safe ... putting Sabrina and Cameron in the bottom two ...

waltzgirl

10-30-2007, 08:59 PM

Wow! Curse of the foxtrot?

DancePoet

10-30-2007, 09:00 PM

Wow! What a result! :shock: :shock:

Indiana_Jay

10-30-2007, 09:00 PM

Holy cow!

DancePoet

10-30-2007, 09:04 PM

Wow! Curse of the foxtrot?
Why a curse?

mamboqueen

10-30-2007, 09:04 PM

shockeroo!

and123

10-30-2007, 09:05 PM

Waltz Tango Foxtrot?!? This is total BULL****! :mad::confused::(

waltzgirl

10-30-2007, 09:08 PM

Why a curse?

People often seem to get fewer votes when they do a smooth dance. So it's really a WTFVw curse.

Merrylegs

10-30-2007, 09:09 PM

Waltz Tango Foxtrot?!? This is total BULL****! :mad::confused::(

Hmm. I've never called my dance teacher "baby" and got a kiss on the head! :shock:

Hilarious!!!

reb

10-30-2007, 09:09 PM

West Coaster here, but I still can play along a little . . .

It sounded like they brought in a bad high school band to play it. Did you hear the clarinet player squeak at the beginning of the song? Amazing.

Yes I did - glad you mentioned it (speaking as primarily a brass player, what can be expected of a reed instrument!)

Merrylegs

10-30-2007, 09:09 PM

So it's really a WTFVw curse.

Nice one!

salsera_alemana

10-30-2007, 09:10 PM

I am in shock!!! I was pretty sure it must be Cameron who goes home. How could this happen? Sabrina for once was not the one with the highest scores last night but she was still strong compared to Marie, Jane, Jenny and Cameron. This is totally crazy! And everybody seemed completely shocked: the audience, the judges, the competitors and most, of course, Sabrina and Mark. Unbelievable!

Maybe people thought she would be safe and would not need their votes. And that is what can happen. It is a shame, really. I was not a fan of Sabrina's, however, I think this is totally unfair to her as she was one of the best dancers on the show.

So glad "my" boy Helio made it!

SlowDancer

10-30-2007, 09:10 PM

I have a confession....I actually like Barry Manilow. :oops:

Me, too. I've seen him in concert twice and he was fantastic.

Merrylegs

10-30-2007, 09:13 PM

I like Barry Manilow too. you might say I'm a Fanilow.

(Sorry, someone had to say it!) :)

mamboqueen

10-30-2007, 09:16 PM

I missed it. Where was Jane tonight?

Maybe all the Cheetah Girl fans were in bed by 10:00 last night. Really hard to fathom that she would have less votes than, say, Jennie or Jane.

SPratt74

10-30-2007, 09:17 PM

I wasn't a fan of Sabrina, nor did I think that she deserved 10's for mistakes that I could see. Her Fox Trot left little to be desired, and I didn't think her Rumba was that great. The Fox Trot also looked like she was trying to hurt someone the whole time, and even I was like what is she doing? I was surprised that Jayne and Marie made it though, but not surprised at the same time. They are people that I admire and respect, and I totally give them applause for doing something like this. Not that I expected Sabrina to go home now, but I wasn't really expecting her to stay for the finals either.

and123

10-30-2007, 09:18 PM

How can you not like Barry Manilow :cool:

I am still totally ripped about the results though :(

Oh, Jane allegedly had food poisoning.

anp73ga31

10-30-2007, 09:18 PM

People didnt vote for Sabrina because they didnt like the fact that she dances as her day job. No one likes to put a professional (even in another style of dance) up against people who have never danced before. Its unfair. And Americans generally dont like unfairness. Remember Stacy Keibler? Same thing....(only Sabrina is much better than Stacy was).

I'd really rather Cameron had gone first because he is a terrible dancer IMO. Or Jane because she's pointed fingers at Mel and Edyta and others on the show for getting points where she didnt (Loved her at the beginning of the show but now I'm just disappointed in her actions). Or even Marie, because its painful to watch her dance and wonder if she's going to faint again. But oh well... its just a show, and really the best part to me is watching the pros dance on the result show. :)

SPratt74

10-30-2007, 09:21 PM

mamboqueen

10-30-2007, 09:22 PM

Oh, Jane allegedly had food poisoning.

I suppose Carrie Ann spiked her Wheaties?? :raisebro:

anp73ga31

10-30-2007, 09:22 PM

Yes, was glad to see Louis again. Also it was nice to see Jonathan and Anna dance together as well....

anp73ga31

10-30-2007, 09:22 PM

I suppose Carrie Ann spiked her Wheaties?? :raisebro:

Tony will claim this next! lol!

mamboqueen

10-30-2007, 09:23 PM

SPratt74

10-30-2007, 09:23 PM

Yes, was glad to see Louis again. Also it was nice to see Jonathan and Anna dance together as well....

Did Anna brush up against the piano? I actually jumped when I saw that, because I kept thinking... I hope she doesn't hit any of the candles that were on top of the piano! ;)

mamboqueen

10-30-2007, 09:23 PM

Tony will claim this next! lol!

Well he would only have a complaint if she had been eating said Wheaties with no feet on the floor. :razz:

DancePoet

10-30-2007, 09:28 PM

Waltz Tango Foxtrot?!? This is total BULL****! :mad::confused::(
I agree that someone else would have been a better choice to go, but her Foxtrot seemed to have elements that she used in her Paso, that she used in her ... now we'll never know about the other two, waltz and tango. ;)

DancePoet

10-30-2007, 09:31 PM

Hmm. I've never called my dance teacher "baby" and got a kiss on the head! :shock:

Hilarious!!!
Ayuh, I noticed that, too.

She seemed mighty disappointed, to the point of even apologizing to Ballas.

DancePoet

10-30-2007, 09:33 PM

I missed it. Where was Jane tonight?
I believe I heard she had food poisoning.

reb

10-30-2007, 09:39 PM

But Stacy (and Mario) both made it to the finals.
maybe the audience has been trained?:???:

wooh

10-30-2007, 09:57 PM

America likes an underdog. (Cite: Season 1.) Young dancer? Not only a dancer, but shown dancing for her video this week? They put a spotlight on her not being an underdog.

SPratt74

10-30-2007, 10:16 PM

America likes an underdog. (Cite: Season 1.) Young dancer? Not only a dancer, but shown dancing for her video this week? They put a spotlight on her not being an underdog.

I wondered about the video myself. In my opinion, some celebs got away with having dance experience since some haven't danced in awhile. But showing Sabrina as a current dancer might not have helped her case any. It was just a thought I had that night is all.

My Ox Is Broken

10-31-2007, 12:06 AM

Halfway through the season, I don't care about underdogs and experience. And I'm not interested in watching a show where people try hard and overcome stuff but are still only above average dancers. Sabrina was one of the three best dancers on the show, and that's why I wanted to see her in the finals.

waltzgirl

10-31-2007, 12:07 AM

Watching the show now.

Poor Tony! Having to do the group routine by himself.

Great to see Louis! I really miss him. Did something go a little bit wrong with their ending pose?

Boy, Tony looked truly shocked when they said Jane was safe. From his expression at the beginning of the show, I think he thought they were toast. I used to suspect that they actually told the dancers who was out before the show, but his reaction convinced me otherwise. If he's that good an actor, he's in the wrong profession!

The Dance War group--all I can say is that I hope they are better singers than dancers! Or maybe it was the choreography. I wasn't sure what kind of dancing it was supposed to be--hip hop? I think I've learned enough from SYTYCD to appreciate good hip hop, and this didn't seem to qualify. I *was* impressed with the speed of the lift where the girl rotated vertically.

Can any Brits out there tell me where Len's accent is from?
.
Now, from Sabrina and Mark's expressions, I think they know they are out (maybe they only tell the one who will be leaving).

It was a shock that Sabrina left (or would have been if I hadn't read the spoilers). Dare I hope that America has learned enough about ballroom that they recogized that her foxtrot was too harsh and out of the dance's character? Or is it just the WTFVw curse? I guess I just don't understand who is voting and why.

Didn't like Barry's version of "My Eyes Adored You." Much prefer the original by Frankie Valli (or the version by the guy who played him in "Jersey Boys").

Well, that's enough of my play-by-play reactions. At least I didn't post them all as individual posts!

DanceScientist

10-31-2007, 12:37 AM

But Stacy (and Mario) both made it to the finals.

I think people liked Sabrina. She got the top scores every week through the first half of the competition, and I think her fans just got complacent in voting. Then, she had one weak dance this week and did not get her usual 27+. And, unfortunately for her, she got eliminated before ever being in the bottom two. Have you noticed the trend that the person in the bottom two who isn't eliminated is rarely in the bottom two the following week?! Fans wake up when they see their favorite in the bottom two. Also, starting next week, each celebrity will perform two dances, which would have worked in Sabrina's favor. I can't imagine her having two weak dances in the same night! If Sabrina had only survived this week, I'm sure she would have made the finals without ever being the bottom two again. I will miss watching her!

chachachacat

10-31-2007, 12:59 AM

I was shocked! So was Carrie Ann, and she had tears in her eyes.
I was sure it would be Cameron.
Past seasons were easier to rank, and call the winner early.
Not this year!

What an exciting season we are having!

reb

10-31-2007, 02:11 AM

Poor Tony! Having to do the group routine by himself.

yea, and he showed well I thought. He's been in some interesting situations on National tv.

Now, from Sabrina and Mark's expressions, I think they know they are out (maybe they only tell the one who will be leaving).
I felt bad for them because they seemed so unprepared.

CaroUK

10-31-2007, 02:22 AM

Can any Brits out there tell me where Len's accent is from?

Len is from North Kent - just outside London on the south side of the river.

He runs a HUGE dance school in Dartford Kent and is a very successful teacher.

My sister's neice goes to him each week and adores her classes!

Back on topic- what a shock - just like our big shock on Strictly Come Dancing this week when two of the judges favourites went into the bottom 2

Merrylegs

10-31-2007, 06:13 AM

So was Carrie Ann, and she had tears in her eyes.

She cries or is on the verge of crying pretty much every episode. What do you think that's about?

dba_75

10-31-2007, 07:01 AM

I was also shocked to see Sabrina go because I feel she really was one of the better dancers. I've read the theories on this forum as to why some think she was eliminated from the competition and maybe those theories are true. However, I wonder if some people are voting for their favorite celebrity regardless of how good or bad their dancing is. It would explain a lot, in my opinion. Instead of being a true dancing competition, at times it seems to be more of a celebrity popularity contest to me. Then again, if in fact the voting tends to lean towards those who don't have prior dancing experience, then maybe in the future they should select only celebrities who don't have any dancing experience to even out the playing field. Then maybe I wouldn't feel so disappointed when a good dancer (in my opinion) is eliminated.

waltzgirl

10-31-2007, 07:05 AM

Welcome to DF!

Yes, we all recognize that a lot of people vote for the celebrity they like best regardless of dancing. We just thought that Sabrina had a lot of fans in the demographic that we assume votes most--young teen girls. So we're trying to figure out why they *didn't* vote for her.

However, the results have been so variable this season, it does seem like there are fewer automatic voting blocks than in past seasons.

Hope you'll stick around to participate in future discussions.

gingerbread

10-31-2007, 08:41 AM

Yes, was glad to see Louis again. Also it was nice to see Jonathan and Anna dance together as well....

I loved Jonathan and Anna's number, it was lyrical and soft, really beautifully felt and danced. I actually preferred it to Eddie and Valentina's a few weeks back.
Someone in this post mentioned Jane playing the 'age card". which is a very clever comment. Unfortunately that is what she seems to be doing. That is beneath her and I really wish she would not stoop to that. Maybe now that someone half her age has been eliminated she will shut up about it. Poor Sabrina, she was a go-getter, always upbeat, never bitching in rehearsals, a hard worker, and, while I know nothing aboujt the Cheetah Girls, I am left with a very good impression of her as a person, if not as a ballroom dancer. Poor Mark, he's not really a talker, is he? Couldn't think of anything to say to her at the end.

SPratt74

10-31-2007, 09:13 AM

I felt bad for them because they seemed so unprepared.

Yeah they did, didn't they? Did they expect tooo much maybe? I don't know. I guess I'm always the one that expects the worst in case the best doesn't happen. But yet I've lived life a lot longer than she has. So, she probably wasn't prepared to take a loss... especially since she does work as a performer.

My Ox Is Broken

10-31-2007, 09:39 AM

Yeah they did, didn't they? Did they expect tooo much maybe? I don't know. I guess I'm always the one that expects the worst in case the best doesn't happen. But yet I've lived life a lot longer than she has. So, she probably wasn't prepared to take a loss... especially since she does work as a performer.I think somebody else alluded this, but the couple that survives a trip to the Bottom Two usually gets saved by the votes the next week. It's a warning for the couple to shape up and for their fans to vote for them in earnest. Jane and Mel were the only celebs who'd been in the Bottom Two before, so once they'd been told they were safe, that meant that one of the couples would be going home without any warning that they were in danger.

If past trends keep up, Cameron's the only one who doesn't need to be worried next week.

and123

10-31-2007, 11:17 AM

To her credit, Sabrina seemed very gracious about getting cut. Heard her on the radio this morning, and she has nothing but kind words for everyone. While I didn't expect her to win in the end, I really enjoyed her performances with Mark and will miss them a lot. They played off each other so well.

anp73ga31

10-31-2007, 11:17 AM

Saw Sabrina on Jimmy Kimmel last night and Good Morning America this morning. Even though I think she never should have been on the show in the first place, I have to admit that she was very gracious during both appearances(during the time that I was watching GMT, that is, cant vouch for the whole thing as I had to go to work). Never tried to play any sort of "card" as Jane has been doing, also never put anyone down (as Jane has been doing). Hopefully the others will take the hint and do the same even while on the show.

reb

10-31-2007, 12:03 PM

I loved Jonathan and Anna's number, it was lyrical and soft, really beautifully felt and danced
I totally agree - and thoroughly enjoyed their performance to the extent that the star, Barry Manilow, receeded into the background as musical support for their dancing.

reb

10-31-2007, 12:07 PM

Yeah they did, didn't they? Did they expect tooo much maybe? I don't know. I guess I'm always the one that expects the worst in case the best doesn't happen. But yet I've lived life a lot longer than she has. So, she probably wasn't prepared to take a loss... especially since she does work as a performer.
yep. Learned with a few losses.

When in a line-up and they're calling the placings, its out of one's hands, so no internal bravado can 'will' a higher placing at that point. At that time, it's best to prepare oneself for the next possible outcomes and have your weight forward (mentally and physically) so you're not rocked with the realization if you're called earlier than you might have expected.

SPratt74

10-31-2007, 12:12 PM

I think somebody else alluded this, but the couple that survives a trip to the Bottom Two usually gets saved by the votes the next week. It's a warning for the couple to shape up and for their fans to vote for them in earnest. Jane and Mel were the only celebs who'd been in the Bottom Two before, so once they'd been told they were safe, that meant that one of the couples would be going home without any warning that they were in danger.

If past trends keep up, Cameron's the only one who doesn't need to be worried next week.

That's a big "IF". It's the world of reality tv after all. ;)

reb

10-31-2007, 12:13 PM

She cries or is on the verge of crying pretty much every episode. What do you think that's about?
So unimpressed with her, I took a quick look at her resume and it made me think she is more qualified to be a star on DWTS than a judge.

SPratt74

10-31-2007, 12:17 PM

yep. Learned with a few losses.

When in a line-up and they're calling the placings, its out of one's hands, so no internal bravado can 'will' a higher placing at that point. At that time, it's best to prepare oneself for the next possible outcomes and have your weight forward (mentally and physically) so you're not rocked with the realization if you're called earlier than you might have expected.

Exactly and completely agree! It is a competition, and even those that win most of their lives might lose at some point without any warning. You are never safe in a competition no matter how good you think you are. Someone might be better in the eyes of those that matter. In this case... the viewers outweighed the judges. Either way, it's just television. Life will go on as we have seen in past seasons. And sometimes for the better. For example some DWTS celebs are working again, and that can't be a bad thing. ;)

Beto

10-31-2007, 12:32 PM

That other group dance by whomever, seemed lame to me. The SO's son thought it was really blah compared to everything else he has seen over the last five seasons, and he isn't a dancer.
On top of that the band and the singers completely butchered one of my favorite Fatboy Slim songs. As some of you may recall, the video for Weapon of Choice showcased Christopher Walken's dance skills to a great degree.

The Dance War group--all I can say is that I hope they are better singers than dancers! Or maybe it was the choreography. I wasn't sure what kind of dancing it was supposed to be--hip hop? I think I've learned enough from SYTYCD to appreciate good hip hop, and this didn't seem to qualify. I *was* impressed with the speed of the lift where the girl rotated vertically.
Agreed! Having watched SYTYCD the past 3 seasons and having gone to the live tour 3 weeks ago, the Dance War demo last night failed to impress. Though I will say I was pleasantly surprised by the the one-handed plant by one of the girls towards the end of the piece. She obviously has a strong hip-hop background or at least very good upper body strength and balance.

LatinDancer006

10-31-2007, 12:56 PM

I suppose Carrie Ann spiked her Wheaties?? :raisebro:

Metamucel

chachachacat

10-31-2007, 01:56 PM

SPratt74

10-31-2007, 02:32 PM

America likes an underdog. (Cite: Season 1.) Young dancer? Not only a dancer, but shown dancing for her video this week? They put a spotlight on her not being an underdog.

I wanted to comment on this because if I remember correctly, Kelly Monaco called herself an underdog. She was playing the underdog card even though others did not have dance experience at that time as well. Joey at the time I believe had the most dance experience.

anp73ga31

10-31-2007, 05:04 PM

I don't know what you mean by "age card." Aging is not a card, it's a robber that steals your beauty and ruins your body. I wouldn't want to compete against people in their prime, no foxtrottin' way!

Jane and Marie are incredibly brave to even try. Yes, moreso than the older men, who always get by with cute routines.

"race card" "age card" "gender card" "injury card" "sympathy card" etc. just expressions referring to the excuses and reasons the stars give as to why they are being persecuted by the judges, etc. thats all we mean by that. of course age is not a card.

As for Jane and Marie, they knew what they were getting into going in; its not like they havent seen the previous seasons or been told what kind of a show it is and what will be expected of them. At any rate, I just think its not necessary to go around saying things like "are they trying to get rid of the old one?" "I dont have dolls like marie" "....those like Mel who can walk around and pat pat the judges on the head and get 10s" "what about edyta and all HER lifts?" and other unnecessary very unclassy comments Jane has been making lately. I agree with a former poster who said that Tony seems to infect his partners with the "its me and her against the world" syndrome and makes them think they are way better than they actually are, to the point of them feeling persecuted when they dont get 10s every time. I'm just disappointed in Jane as a whole because I was so excited about her being on the show and was voting for her etc, until she and Tony started with the attitude. Turns me off entirely...

SlowDancer

10-31-2007, 09:13 PM

I agree with you. I'm Jane's age and was very excited about her participation the first few weeks, but I'm surprised and disappointed about some of her recent catty comments. She's supposed to be a mature, classy lady but bad-mouthing her fellow competitors is anything but. She really "deserved" to be booted off this week.

I really don't understand people who have such an unrealistic, inflated view of themselves and their abilities. If she wonders why she didn't get 10s this week, she only needs to review a video of her performance. I thought the judges were actually quite generous.

CaroUK

11-01-2007, 11:06 AM

Don't know whether you guys realise it - but Bruno has no Ballroom dancing credentials either.......

Just like the UKS show, the ONLY judge with any experience and qualifications in the field is LEN!

Of our judging panel, 3 are show dance choreographersin the West End, and of the 3 Bruno is the least successful and well known

anp73ga31

11-01-2007, 12:44 PM

Don't know whether you guys realise it - but Bruno has no Ballroom dancing credentials either.......

Just like the UKS show, the ONLY judge with any experience and qualifications in the field is LEN!

the fact that the music doesnt match the dances most of the time. But dont get me started on THAT. :rolleyes:

islandia55

11-01-2007, 10:14 PM

Dare I hope that America has learned enough about ballroom that they recogized that her foxtrot was too harsh and out of the dance's character?

And Len Goodman said, "Although the performance was excellent, it was too HARD, it was too AGGRESSIVE..." (hand gestures and facial contortions omitted)

Sabrina and Mark had to dance to Peggy Lee's "I'm A Woman". To my ear this was played and sung as a hard, aggressive, gritty number as it should have been. I think Mark Ballas's hard and aggressive choreography matched the character of the music very well. And I think Sabrina danced Mark's choreography very well. It was the music that was out of character with the foxtrot as described at the ABC website:

http://abc.go.com/primetime/dancingwiththestars/index?pn=aboutdances#t=0&d=23695

Which brings me to the commonly held disdain in this forum for the often abysmal music selections on this show. If the judges want a smooth, elegant and romantic foxtrot, then why should the dancers be burdened with music that is just the opposite. Oops, I beat a dead horse!

anp73ga31

11-02-2007, 06:40 AM

And Len Goodman said, "Although the performance was excellent, it was too HARD, it was too AGGRESSIVE..." (hand gestures and facial contortions omitted)

Sabrina and Mark had to dance to Peggy Lee's "I'm A Woman". To my ear this was played and sung as a hard, aggressive, gritty number as it should have been. I think Mark Ballas's hard and aggressive choreography matched the character of the music very well. And I think Sabrina danced Mark's choreography very well. It was the music that was out of character with the foxtrot as described at the ABC website:

http://abc.go.com/primetime/dancingwiththestars/index?pn=aboutdances#t=0&d=23695

Which brings me to the commonly held disdain in this forum for the often abysmal music selections on this show. If the judges want a smooth, elegant and romantic foxtrot, then why should the dancers be burdened with music that is just the opposite. Oops, I beat a dead horse!

Mark's choreography was perfectly fine. It was the way she whipped her head around in latin type style and jerked her body around same way during the dance. She's a dancer...If someone woudl have just shown her a foxtrot video(no one has ever said thats not allowed) or explained to her about smoothness from one move to the next I feel she would have done a perfect job. But she just never got the whole smooth transition thing, and as result, to me it looked like heres a move, BAM! heres another move, BAM! Instead of, heres a move aaaannnd heres another move aaannnd heres another move merged together. I dunno...I'm certainly not qualified to try to describe it but I know foxtrot enough to have looked at it going, "no, no no, thats sooo not it!"

And of course the music mostly sucks, with a random match to the style that surprises us all. :rolleyes:

SPratt74

11-02-2007, 07:50 AM

Mark's choreography was perfectly fine. It was the way she whipped her head around in latin type style and jerked her body around same way during the dance. She's a dancer...If someone woudl have just shown her a foxtrot video(no one has ever said thats not allowed) or explained to her about smoothness from one move to the next I feel she would have done a perfect job. But she just never got the whole smooth transition thing, and as result, to me it looked like heres a move, BAM! heres another move, BAM! Instead of, heres a move aaaannnd heres another move aaannnd heres another move merged together. I dunno...I'm certainly not qualified to try to describe it but I know foxtrot enough to have looked at it going, "no, no no, thats sooo not it!"

And of course the music mostly sucks, with a random match to the style that surprises us all. :rolleyes:

I agree with you that the music was not the problem nor was it the choreography. In my opinion, it was the way that Sabrina would present herself during her routines (meaning she was far tooo hard and hardly any emotion). I'm sure that she was under stress. But it wasn't just this dance, it was some of the other dances that she did as well.

gingerbread

11-02-2007, 10:35 AM

On a much different level obviously, as she is a professional, I have always found Cheryl Burke's dancing too hard, not just the ballroom, but even the Latin. She tends to punch everything, and, while many of you praised the dance she and Louis did this week, I even found Louis' dancing too hard. Sorry, I love him too, but I would imagine his coaches, when he was competing, would not have liked that dance, no light andf shade, everything hard and fast. My favorite foxtrot of the year was actually on SYTYCD, when Danny danced.
And I agree with all your coments about Jane Seymour. She started off such an elegant and sophisticated woman and has thrown all that away with her whining. Maybe it is Tony's influence, I have no idea.

Imhere

11-02-2007, 11:23 AM

And I agree with all your coments about Jane Seymour. She started off such an elegant and sophisticated woman and has thrown all that away with her whining. Maybe it is Tony's influence, I have no idea.

I think Tony’s partners have DIVA written all over them.

Stacy- the WWE Diva
Sara – the country music Diva
Jane – the Queen of all Divas

He is a bit of a divo himself as well, but I like him.

evanluck

11-02-2007, 01:54 PM

If you look at Sabrina and Mark's foxtrot there were plenty of times where they intentionally showed a softer, more flowing quality.

I think that Sabrina gets penalized because her ability to do sharp, direct movements is so strong. None of the other stars on any season have been able to come close to her strength and speed and so it takes people by surprise. I thought that the instances where Sabrina and Mark chose to showcase her speed and strength in the foxtrot were appropriate to the music and were consistent the the dynamic quality of her partners movement.

As for why they got voted off I tend to think two things happened:

1. It is never good to come out of the gate super strong on these shows. People like to see some "arch" in your storyline on the show with you overcoming at least one obstacle so they can connect with your vulnerability (especially as a woman). This can be seen quite well with Jennie and Derek. The fall incident really helped people connect with her and get behind her. If you look at both DWTS and SYTYCD, the favorites who come out strong the first week and consistently do well from week to week never win (i.e. Mario Lopez, Stacey Keibler, Alison Holker).

2. On a related note, not being able to display that vulnerability makes even your fans complacent when it comes to voting. Seems like all the voters just assumed that the elimination was between Jane and Marie so they rallied behind their favorites between those two. The result was both of them ended up being safe and of the remaining stars, the ones with the lowest judges scores ended up in the bottom two. This happened in our household when my sister who is a big Sabrina fan voted for Jane with all her votes hoping to send Marie home.

chica latina

11-02-2007, 02:04 PM

If I could go back, I would have voted... I always look forward to watch Mark and Sabrina's number.... she's extremely talented but I need to agree that she lacked some fluidity sometimes.... it's good to have speed and power on your legs and some overall moves but the body should be more fluid & continuous like music is.

chachabelle

11-02-2007, 07:12 PM

You know, I've always thought Cheryl is a "hard" dancer. Don't get me wrong, I love her, but I've been reluctant to speak up and say anything as I've never heard it mentioned and thought it was just my imagination.

11-05-2007, 10:31 AM

Falap

11-07-2007, 06:10 AM

I finally watched the results show last night and it was, as my partner said, a travesty. Sabrina's face was just so incredibly heartbreaking. In all my time of watching this show I don't think I have ever seen an ellimination that provoked such a response from the judges, the audience, and all of the pros and contestants. Particularly the pros. I saw several of their faces and you could tell, they knew it was wrong.

I didn't think it was THAT shocking since she got only 25 points at that week. IMO it is by far not as unfair as Lisa Rinna and Stacy Keibler, who was the best celebrity in DWTS ever!, being voted off instead of Jerry Rice.
It becomes clear every season, that this is much more a popularity contest than anything else.

SPratt74

11-07-2007, 09:30 AM

I didn't think it was THAT shocking since she got only 25 points at that week. IMO it is by far not as unfair as Lisa Rinna and Stacy Keibler, who was the best celebrity in DWTS ever!, being voted off instead of Jerry Rice.
It becomes clear every season, that this is much more a popularity contest than anything else.

Welcome! :D

I discovered that DWTS was a popularity contest back in season one. But reality shows where the public votes, are going to affect the public more, because that's what they want. That's why they get the public involved in the first place. I voted way back then but not after that. It's hard not to get caught up with something that you think is unfair though, but that's the whole part of the drama that these reality shows are craving. But that's my opinion though. ;)