New partnerships sure to shake up Pro latin

[xxtupikxx]

According to russian dancesport page new top partnerships!:

Slavik Kryklyvyy (http://dancesportinfo.net/Couple/Slavik_Kryklyvyy_and_Elena_Khvorova,41440/Results.aspx) is partnering Hanna Karttunen!
Andrej Skufca (http://dancesportinfo.net/Couple/Andrej_Skufca_and_Katarina_Venturini,1513/Results.aspx) is partnering Elena Khvorova (http://dancesportinfo.net/Couple/Slavik_Kryklyvyy_and_Elena_Khvorova,41440/Results.aspx) !



http://www.dancesport.ru/news/n_922.phtml

[Becca]

I wonder where they get this information from?

[latingal]

Is there an english translation of this article somewhere? I'm afraid my russian is a bit rusty...

[JoepiE]

Is there an english translation of this article somewhere? I'm afraid my russian is a bit rusty...

Mine's too, but long live Bable Fish!!

BF give's this translation, not perfect, but readable:

To mayklu Of malitovski and To dzhoanne Of leunis now you do not envy...

Recently our portal became known that were formed two strongest dancing duets. The first of them - Slavik is loud and Khanna Of karttunen, the second - Andrey skufk and Helen khvorova. Slavik loud earlier stood paired with Helen khvorovoy, on the international competitions in category Professional Latin they represented Russia. In the time, that they stood in the pair (but this only more than two years - editor's notes), won such tournaments as German Open Championship 2006, Dutch Open 2006, World Masters 2007, Kremlin Cup 2006, they became prize-winners in the largest competitions - Blackpool Dance Festival 2007, The International Championship 2007. On the championship of peace among the professionals in Latine in Moscow (2007) they became silver prize-winners; the medals of the same merit they obtained also on the championship of Europe in Kiev (2007). The true reasons for their parting to us remained unknown, but it is possible to assume that they decided to achieve the even greater successes in other compositions after appearances at the tournaments of world value (World & European).

Andrey skufka (Andrej Skufca) earlier stood paired with Katarinoy Venturini (Katarina Venturini). They made the decision to part after 15- TI of summer (!) collaboration in the pair. In this time they achieved not only substantial advances in the category amateurs (champions of peace of by dvoyebor'yu 1996, 1998, the possessors of the goblet of the peace of 1996 on by dvoyebor'yu, the champions of Europe 1996 of by dvoyebor'yu, the champions of the peace of 2003 in the Latin American program, polufinalisty of the championship of peace on the standard of 2000), but also in the category the professionals (almost in all tournaments, in which they participated, they they left into the final stage, including on Blackpool Dance Festival, International and other).

Khanna Of karttunen (Hanna Karttunen) stood paired with the floor Killikom (Paul Killick). In 2003, after the championship of peace in Innsbruke (Austria), where they occupied 2 places, Khanna and floor they ended its appearances. But, as it seemed, only to the period. Only previously floor arose into the pair with Ekaterina lapayevoy, and now narrower than Khanna was formed new duet Slavikom. The latter, by the way, did not frighten the fact that Khanna of more than 5 years did not come out on the competitions. However, previously Khanna became the prize-winner of almost all competitions, in which assumed the participation. It is worthwhile to also note that after parting with the floor, Khanna together with its husband by Victor danced the staggering on the beauty show- programs and possesses exceptional physical conditions. It is not yet known at the given moment, who will represent what country on the international competitions. We sincerely hope that both these strongest duets (or at least one of them) they will dance for Russia.

DanceSport.Ru desires success to these pairs!

[samina]

uh oh...

[DancePoet]

Posting the partnership changes with the back up was helpful :cool:, We like to keep things clean around here. ;) :D

edited by Larinda

[Larinda McRaven]

Yes, thank you for posting a link for a souce that validates the information. As noted NUMEROUS times before hand, unsubstantiated information is simple gossip and potentially harmful when continually spread unchecked. Statements such as "I heard it from X who heard it from Y..." are unfounded and against our guidelines, as are posts that deal with the senstive nature regarding someones privates lives.

as Dp said, We like to keep it clean here.

[samina]

et... voila!:cool:

wishing these new partnerships much success... am personally looking forward to seeing slavik & hannah dance...

[DancePoet]

And thank you. :cool:

[Ithink]

That translation is horrible! Wow...

[Larinda McRaven]

I couldn't even read it, it made me dizzy...

[syncopationator]

I wonder what country they will represent?

[DancePoet]

That translation is horrible! Wow...
Seemed wacky in places to me, too.

[Twilight_Elena]

Slavik and Hanna... wow. Sounds formidable. :D

[Becca]

I still wonder how true it is . . .

[tuftufwang]

I desperately want this to happen. Otherwise, the Pro Latin field is becoming kind of stale (at least to me) especially with Bryan's departure. It is in desperate need of some superstar couples.

[JoepiE]

I couldn't even read it, it made me dizzy...

Just to be clear, i didn't write it myself, i can't speak or read Russian. I put the article tru Babel Fish, a on-line translation program.

Sorry for the wacky sentences, but I understood the entire text, after two times of reading. :p

[JoepiE]

Im really looking forward to seeing Slavik and Hanna dancing together, tho I can't imagine what they look like together... jet.

IMO they're the best dancers there are right now. But Slavik has always overdanced both Elena and Karina, He shouldn't do that with Hanna, she's to good for that. I hope Hanna can put him in his place so to speak, and make herself more radiant in her dancing than Slavik. That's what i missed in Karina and Elena, they let themselfs be overdanced by him. I'm sure Hanna is at least in the top 3 of latin ladies, but I hope she's strong and powerfull enough to still be visible next to Slavik.

Just imagine the formidable dancer Slavik to have to fight (figurely speaking) with a superb dancer and hopefully very strong and powerfull dancer like Hanna.

[Larinda McRaven]

Yes, I understood where it came from. I use Bablefish often too, and it is rough at best sometimes, although it gets the job done.

[IlyZislin]

et... voila!:cool:

wishing these new partnerships much success... am personally looking forward to seeing slavik & hannah dance...

I wonder what country they will dance for....

[Pacion]

Just to be clear, i didn't write it myself, i can't speak or read Russian. I put the article tru Babel Fish, a on-line translation program.

Sorry for the wacky sentences, but I understood the entire text, after two times of reading. :p

:lol: At least, with all the progress being made with computers/robots, humans are sure to still be guaranteed employment as translators and interpretors! :lol:

[JoepiE]

On Dancesport.ru Slavik and Elena have confirmed to have split.

http://www.dancesport.ru/news/n_928.phtml
And for the non-Russians: http://babelfish.altavista.com/

[rainerng]

Frm Babelfish

Today Slavik loud and Helen khvorova was present at the tournament "gold cupolas". We succeeded herself in with them meet and presenting the question relative to their plans for the future and confirming the fact of the future partnership of each of them. And was obtained very ambiguous answer... In our conversation Of slavik it said that at the given moment it has already been tried with one female partner, but neither name nor surname so named. But it confirmed information that on the forum wrote actually he, but from the computer of its friend. To it it is very pleasant that its further fate disturbs not only personally it, but also many people, by which pleases itself that, as it tanetsuyet. Slavik it wished to all of success and expressed small wish about that which would be desirable to see on the forum a little less of insults; personally it it was unpleasant to read some unjustified and now and then extremely rough statements relative to itself and its associate- dancers. the Eks- female partner Of slavika (Helen) generally forewent the commentaries, after saying what to report thus far not about which. DanceSport.ru brings its apologies to dancers!

[waltzgirl]

Well, OK, then. (What????)

[Larinda McRaven]

But it confirmed information that on the forum wrote actually he, but from the computer of its friend. To it it is very pleasant that its further fate disturbs not only personally it, but also many people,

Slavik it wished to all of success and expressed small wish about that which would be desirable to see on the forum a little less of insults; personally it it was unpleasant to read some unjustified and now and then extremely rough statements relative to itself and its associate- dancers. the Eks- female partner Of slavika (Helen) generally forewent the commentaries, after saying what to report thus far not about which. DanceSport.ru brings its apologies to dancers!

SO here we have it... Slavik wishes forums were nicer and less gossipy. And HE DID NOT write the statement about the new partnership, but it was a "friend" who gossiped.

Can we please learn a lesson from this.

1. Just because you are "friends" with someone does not give you the right to say "He personally told me, so I am not gosssiping by spreading this across the internet..." Because until HE is ready to spread it across the internet... no one else has a right to. And such gossip affects amny people.

2. Pro dancers do see the negative things written about them, the insults, unjustified and rough statements - and find it distasteful.

3. Even a website that brings "ligitimate news reports" can be inaccurate, and we shoulf NOT take postings from these sites as proof or validation to gossip.

[SDsalsaguy]

Exactly right Larinda, and exactly why DF has always had the policies it does in the interest of promoting (as per DF guideline #2) quality information about partner dancing!

[rainerng]

"In our conversation Of slavik it said that at the given moment it has already been tried with one female partner, but neither name nor surname so named"

Seems like he IS trying out with people.

[chocolatchica]

Whether it is true or not, I think this year is going to be big for Pro Latin. Seeing as how Bryan has retired, there are some new partnerships forming and new couples are joining the league (ie Eugene and Maria!!! Yay!!!!). I'm super excited to see how things turn out

[Kitty]

Larinda, not entirely correct.

here is what was in the interview (the machine translation is horrible):

Slavik and Elena were present at a comp where they were interviewed by the staff of dancesport.ru.
1) During the interview Slavik said that he has tried out with someone but didn't specify who. He confirmed that he and Elena split.

2) Earlier (after the earlier news release on dancesport.ru about him partnering up with Hanna and Elena partnering up with Andrey) Slavik has posted on the forum on dancesport.ru that he and Elena haven't decided yet about future partnerships, and thanked his fans for caring so much about his career. The posts were very warmly received by fans, and many wrote back words of support and admiration (though some expressed doubt whether it was really Slavik posting on the forum). During the interview Slavik confirmed that it was really him posting on the forum from a friend's computer. He also thanked his fans.

3) During the interview Slavik wished readers good luck and wished that on dancesport.ru forum there were less insults towards dancers. (russians are not too polite on that site, often posting very offensive comments regarding other dancers, especially under videos). He said it is unpleasant to read such rude and unjustified comments about himself or other dancers. (Though I don't think there were many, if any, offensive statements towards Slavik personally as he is very much loved and respected in Russia by everyone)

4) Elena Hvorova did not comment.

[Larinda McRaven]

So I interpreted incorrectly that it was not him posting.... yet I stand by my other statements.

Thank you Kitty for a better translation.

[tuftufwang]

Thanks to Kitty for a readable translation! Makes much more sense to me. In any case, I am keeping my fingers (and toes) crossed for the Slavik/Hanna partnership.

[dance234]

hahahah! wooooo.

[croaker]

So I interpreted incorrectly that it was not him posting.... yet I stand by my other statements.

Thank you Kitty for a better translation.
I really cannot stand it when someone else's words are being twisted to
push one's own agenda forward. Slavik never said anything about being
against gossip in general. Whether he is or not is not for me to judge but
to put words in his mouth that he has not spoken or written is disturbing to say the least. I read his comments in Russian and if anything he sounded pleased that
his fans are so interested in his career. What he was against is people being rude (quite understandable) not gossip or social chit-chat on the forums.

[Larinda McRaven]

I did not twist his words, I interpreted the babel translation as best as I could. So you are free to interpret his post your own way (and if you speak/read Russian then you would have a better idea of his intent than me) but I still stand by the agenda of DF. And that IS what I will push, it is my job to ensure a safe pleasant environment.

[fascination]

slavik's view on gossip is appreciated, respected, and irrelevant...our guidelines are the guiding principle here...and will be adhered to for those wishing to continue to participate

[contracheck]

I did not twist his words, I interpreted the babel translation as best as I could. So you are free to interpret his post your own way (and if you speak/read Russian then you would have a better idea of his intent than me) but I still stand by the agenda of DF. And that IS what I will push, it is my job to ensure a safe pleasant environment.

I don't know how Coraker got such an idea, but you clearly did not twist the words. The misunderstanding stems from the screwed up translation. I actually had gone to a Russian friend of mine for a sensible translation but Kitty beat me to it.

[croaker]

I got "such an idea" from the following statement. I think in all of good faith it needs to be
retracted.
SO here we have it... Slavik wishes forums were nicer and less gossipy.

[SDsalsaguy]

Sorry croaker, but even based on Kitty's better translation Slavik does wish that forums were nicer.

[reb]

Sorry croaker, but even based on Kitty's better translation Slavik does wish that forums were nicer.

underlines are my own - and thank you Kitty for being helpful!


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here is what was in the interview (the machine translation is horrible)
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3) During the interview Slavik wished readers good luck and wished that on dancesport.ru forum there were less insults towards dancers. (russians are not too polite on that site, often posting very offensive comments regarding other dancers, especially under videos). He said it is unpleasant to read such rude and unjustified comments about himself or other dancers. (Though I don't think there were many, if any, offensive statements towards Slavik personally as he is very much loved and respected in Russia by everyone)
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It's very easy to misinterpret on forums, in one language, much less two, or a rough translation. However, an unintentional misinterpretation is just that - unintentional, which is far less hurtful than accusing someone directly and specifically of motive or agenda.

I really cannot stand it when someone else's words are being twisted to
push one's own agenda forward.

Don't see any agendas here.

[Nik]

lol so how about that partnership.

[reb]

lol so how about that partnership.
How about them Bears?

[elisedance]

Last I looked they were hybernating still. And after reading this entire thread maybe - which is a classic storm in a russian tea cup - perhaps we should all be with them.....

[Joe]

How about them Bears?
Cubbies--Spring training! ;)

[reb]

Cactus league!!!!!!

There might even be one room left in the Phoenix area . . . (I've got a team out there and the sky high snowbird prices went through the roof during the SuperBowl and other events) - they do things right out there!

unununhijack??

lol so how about that partnership.

[Musique]

From Dancebeat http://dancebeat.com/default.aspx?ifbm=cs10

Slavik Kryklyvyy + Hanna Kartunnen
Feb. 20th. Hanna Kartunnen has told Dance Beat that although she is still dancing in her heart, she is not yet ready to dance with a partner yet. From her native Finalnd where she is currently residing, Hanna told us that she and Victor Da Silva split for personal reasons that had nothing to do with their dancing. "Our dancing together was something beautiful for me," said Hanna. She denied that she is currently dancing with Slavik Kryklyvyy.

[elisedance]

"Kryklyvyy"

4 'y's in one name? Isn't there a legal limit??
And on top of that, no other vowels.
Wow. :p

[Kitty]

"Kryklyvyy"

4 'y's in one name? Isn't there a legal limit??
And on top of that, no other vowels.
Wow. :p

well, if there were letters such as "Ы" and "Й" in the English alphabet, I am sure Slavik would use those. Instead he has to replace all the missing letters with a "Y". :-)



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Have to agree with croaker, I am also agaist twisting other people's words to prove one's agenda. In the interview Slavik expressed appreciation to his fans for the interest in his career, and only wished "there were less insults" (he said nothing against rumors or discussions or speculations e t c)

I understand fascination's point that this is a policy on this forum no matter what,
but please lets state it as that, and leave it as just that, and not try to make it sound like Slavik also wished that.

[tuftufwang]

From Dancebeat http://dancebeat.com/default.aspx?ifbm=cs10

Slavik Kryklyvyy + Hanna Kartunnen
Feb. 20th. Hanna Kartunnen has told Dance Beat that although she is still dancing in her heart, she is not yet ready to dance with a partner yet. From her native Finalnd where she is currently residing, Hanna told us that she and Victor Da Silva split for personal reasons that had nothing to do with their dancing. "Our dancing together was something beautiful for me," said Hanna. She denied that she is currently dancing with Slavik Kryklyvyy.

Thanks for the update! I am still keeping my fingers and toes cross for the Slavik/Hanna partnership.

[bluetango]

well, if there were letters such as "Ы" and "Й" in the English alphabet, I am sure Slavik would use those. Instead he has to replace all the missing letters with a "Y". :-)

He could have spelled it:

Krikleeviy

then people could actually pronounce it sort of correctly....

Or how about "Slavik Shouty" ?

[Rugby]

I am thrilled that Riccardo Cocchi and Yulia Zagoruychenko have gotten together. They told me they are very, very happy with each other and hit it off right away. I'm sure I can say this as their partnership is not unknown by now I'd assume. I have watched Riccardo for years and though I have only seen Yulia in the last two I have loved her dancing as well. They are great together and one of the nicest couples you can meet. I wish them luck and I'm sure they will be a crowd pleaser for sure.

[contracheck]

From Dancebeat http://dancebeat.com/default.aspx?ifbm=cs10



What has happened to Paul Richardson? Retired? I don't know where he gets his energy, but hHe has been competing forever.

[DancingJools]

Paul has competed in Blackpool for 21 consecutive years, since he started as a junior. So, yes, it seems he's been competing forever.
Paul is retired (they announced it after winning the British championship a couple of months ago), though I understand Olga is not and may be willing to continue dancing with the right partner.

[pasopaul]

What has happened to Paul Richardson? Retired? I don't know where he gets his energy, but hHe has been competing forever.

Hi Contracheck,
Just saw your post and thought I would reply personally. It is nice to be thought of. Actually I retired from competition at the British National Championships in Blackpool during November. Olga is continuing. We have one more event to do at the WDC World Pro-Am event in Argentina in 2 weeks time and then she will start with her new partner. As for competing forever, your right it sure felt that way. In fact it was for 31 years from the time I started in Australia. I am proud to say I actually competed in the British Championships in Blackpool for 21 consecutive years (not sure if it is a record or not) and enjoyed every single one of them.:D The energy is starting to slow down but not my enthusiasm. I am still competing in Pro-Am events and will continue with that for quite a while yet, so I will get my buzz with my students.

Hope that helps to keep you informed:cheers:

All the best,

Paul Richardson

[tuftufwang]

Hi Contracheck,
I am still competing in Pro-Am events and will continue with that for quite a while yet, so I will get my buzz with my students.



And may I just add that you have the a few of the most competitive students in the Pro-Am circuit. It is always a great experience to compete with your students. They are at a different level than other competitors. Good luck with your future endeavors!

[elisedance]

PP - how nice of you to check in personally! Best of luck with the next stage of the career...

[reb]

I am still competing in Pro-Am events and will continue with that for quite a while yet, so I will get my buzz with my students.

Welcome to Dance Forums Paul!

Your statement is quite powerful!! :D

[contracheck]

Hi Contracheck,
Just saw your post and thought I would reply personally. It is nice to be thought of. Actually I retired from competition at the British National Championships in Blackpool during November. Olga is continuing. We have one more event to do at the WDC World Pro-Am event in Argentina in 2 weeks time and then she will start with her new partner. As for competing forever, your right it sure felt that way. In fact it was for 31 years from the time I started in Australia. I am proud to say I actually competed in the British Championships in Blackpool for 21 consecutive years (not sure if it is a record or not) and enjoyed every single one of them.:D The energy is starting to slow down but not my enthusiasm. I am still competing in Pro-Am events and will continue with that for quite a while yet, so I will get my buzz with my students.

Hope that helps to keep you informed:cheers:

All the best,

Paul Richardson

What a surpirse!! I couldn't believe my eyes to see your post. It's like God talking to me. It gave us great pleausre when we learned that you finally towered over your long time rival the other Paul, to whom you're evidently handing over your partner. It looks like the Latin scene is going to be bloodier in coming yrs with new powerful partnerships, but it would not be the same without you. You are also one of the kindest coaches and gentlemen I know. Best of luck to you and Olga.

[Merrylegs]

Wow! I can't believe it! Paul Richardson is really on Dance Forums! How cool is that??!!??!!

Is it really you, Paul? How do we know for sure? I know Dance Forums has been getting a lot of famous faces visiting lately but this is awesome. Any chance you'll be in the Boston area soon?

Congrats on a career that is beyond enviable! Cheers!!



Hi Contracheck,
Just saw your post and thought I would reply personally. It is nice to be thought of. Actually I retired from competition at the British National Championships in Blackpool during November. Olga is continuing. We have one more event to do at the WDC World Pro-Am event in Argentina in 2 weeks time and then she will start with her new partner. As for competing forever, your right it sure felt that way. In fact it was for 31 years from the time I started in Australia. I am proud to say I actually competed in the British Championships in Blackpool for 21 consecutive years (not sure if it is a record or not) and enjoyed every single one of them.:D The energy is starting to slow down but not my enthusiasm. I am still competing in Pro-Am events and will continue with that for quite a while yet, so I will get my buzz with my students.

Hope that helps to keep you informed:cheers:

All the best,

Paul Richardson

[Masaya]

OMG it's Paul Richardson!
Dear Paul, I know you must be a very busy person, but we have a lot of threads on DF where we ask each other about technique and other principles of dancing. If you could impart some of your considerable knowledge to these discussions, whenever you have time, we would all be very grateful!

[pasopaul]

Wow! I can't believe it! Paul Richardson is really on Dance Forums! How cool is that??!!??!!

Is it really you, Paul? How do we know for sure? I know Dance Forums has been getting a lot of famous faces visiting lately but this is awesome. Any chance you'll be in the Boston area soon?

Congrats on a career that is beyond enviable! Cheers!!


Yes it is actually me. I am a D-Fer as well. An hour or two after I posted I had a phone call from Larinda to confirm that it was really me. I tend to check in and look on the forum once or twice a day, but have rarely signed in.

No plans to come to Boston at the moment, but am always willing. I was usually so busy travelling for comps that I was usually only in NY for a few weeks at a time. Now I hope to spend a bit more time in one place.

Masaya, if I get the chance and can work out a way to put in writing what I know, I will try to do so. It is a lot easier saying what you do rather than writing it. Well done to all of you who actually do try to express the dancing in the written word. There have been some really good explanations:notworth:

All the best
Paul

[latingal]

Welcome to DF Paul, it's a pleasure to have you posting...and lurking! *grin*

[Larinda McRaven]

:cheers:

[Joe]

Welcome back to Dance Forums Paul!
FTFY ;)

Hopefully being "retired" will encourage him to do more than lurk!

[Adwiz]

My partner and I had the pleasure of lesson time with Paul last year and I would encourage any DF'er to do so if such an opportunity arises. He's a wonderful teacher, with a great sense of humor and a very clear way of communicating ideas that makes it not only easy to understand the principles, but also to remember them later. With guest instructors you never know what you're going to get for your money -- sometimes you feel as if you've wasted your hard earned cash -- but I must say that this was one of the best values I've enjoyed in a guest coaching session.

[standardnut]

My partner and I had the pleasure of lesson time with Paul last year and I would encourage any DF'er to do so if such an opportunity arises. He's a wonderful teacher, with a great sense of humor and a very clear way of communicating ideas that makes it not only easy to understand the principles, but also to remember them later. With guest instructors you never know what you're going to get for your money -- sometimes you feel as if you've wasted your hard earned cash -- but I must say that this was one of the best values I've enjoyed in a guest coaching session.

For those of you that lives in the Tri-state area, Paul currently running a mini Latin workshop on Mondays at Dance Studio 101 in Manhattan. There is two more classes left.
Come join him for some world class dance information.

[samina]

Yes it is actually me. I am a D-Fer as well. An hour or two after I posted I had a phone call from Larinda to confirm that it was really me. I tend to check in and look on the forum once or twice a day, but have rarely signed in.

No plans to come to Boston at the moment, but am always willing. I was usually so busy travelling for comps that I was usually only in NY for a few weeks at a time. Now I hope to spend a bit more time in one place.

Masaya, if I get the chance and can work out a way to put in writing what I know, I will try to do so. It is a lot easier saying what you do rather than writing it. Well done to all of you who actually do try to express the dancing in the written word. There have been some really good explanations:notworth:

All the best
Paul

what a delight to hear.

welcome to DF, paul! i have heard such nice things about you personally. :)

am hoping you aren't shy about contributing!

[Becca]

The first show of Hanna and Slavik will be April 26th, in Austria.

Anyone know where I can find a cheap flight to Austria!?

http://www.danceragainstcancer.at/pdf/Hanna%20Slavik17032008.pdf (http://www.danceragainstcancer.at/pdf/Hanna%20Slavik17032008.pdf)

[chocolatchica]

They're also performing at Emerald :-)

[Becca]

When's that? Do you have any more details / info?

[Joe]

It will probably cost you less to go to Austria. :)

[Becca]

For sure! A LOT less!

I looked on the website but it says nothing on there, just about Max and Beata's show. Any details anybody has would be greatly appreciated!

[BM]

I Googled "Emerald Ball Slavik Hanna" and nothing relevant came up on the first couple of pages.

[Becca]

Maybe it's supposed to be some sort of surprise thing to have them there?

I don't know, but if it was me having them perform at my event, I would be more than shouting about it, the minute it was confirmed!