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cupojoe2
03-19-2004, 03:19 PM
Ok… since Jdavidb has played a “newbie filler” this deal, I don’t feel quite so bad with mine…
Leads -- how do you know when you have turned your partner too often and need to let their head stop spinning?
Follows – how do you let your partner know that if that enough is enough?
etchuck
03-19-2004, 03:24 PM
I know when the follower has turned too much (or is too dizzy to turn) if she no longer turns whenever I lead her to turn. Raise the left hand and she stays there and won't move. That or she's completely off balance and can't do more. Of course, then I find a way to lead her with two hands and she has no choice... mwahahahaha.... :twisted:
I have only danced with someone to the point where she was so dizzy she didn't dance for the rest of the night. Considering it was a salsa dance, the fact I was the only one to dance with that girl and only that one time while other men were trying to ask her out... that made me very unpopular.
Vince A
03-19-2004, 03:59 PM
Unless you've danced with them before and know that they are capable of more and you are capable of being solid in them, stick to at most, two turns. Most women "can" do more, many struggle at one!
My wife and I do a series of eight turns - something I'd never ever do with another follower . . . then we do a series of 6 turns where she goes, then I go, , she, then I, etc. I wouldn't attempt this with anyone else (again). I tried it once in a Jack and Jill knowing that the follower "knew" (???) the move . . . she just wasnt' expecting it!
Ok… since Jdavidb has played a “newbie filler” this deal, I don’t feel quite so bad with mine…
Leads -- how do you know when you have turned your partner too often and need to let their head stop spinning?
Follows – how do you let your partner know that if that enough is enough?
if they're not spotting i stop as soon as possible. otherwise it's a combination of feel in the connection and what i hear in the music. i also find it helpful to my partners that when i do bring my arm down, i lock it in place and brace the rest of my body to give my partner an anchor if she needs it, as well as take a dramatic pause to give her time to regain her equlibrium.
jdavidb
03-21-2004, 12:08 AM
I wouldn't be a newbie if this was a forum about bass guitar :D When I screw up in swing, "I'm actually better at ballet". When I screw up in ballet, I'm a bass player 1st anyway. When I screw up on bass, I make it sound like I did it on purpose. My ego has a safety network.
twnkltoz
03-21-2004, 12:40 AM
When I'm turned too much, I just stop turning. Sometimes, I might say something like, "Whew!" to drop the hint. I'm a pretty good spinner, and I spot, but I still don't appreciate being spun constantly. Spending three minutes fighting for my life isn't my idea of fun.
When I'm turned too much, I just stop turning. Sometimes, I might say something like, "Whew!" to drop the hint. I'm a pretty good spinner, and I spot, but I still don't appreciate being spun constantly. Spending three minutes fighting for my life isn't my idea of fun.
in swing i have never felt an urge to do more than a double turn; more than that just doesn't seem to fit either the music & style IMO. i am likely to try multiple turns in salsa if i have a partner that seems to be capable for it if the phrasing fits...
alfborge
03-21-2004, 07:11 AM
It seems that people forget that it is allowed to talk to your partner while you dance. If you get spun too much, just say that you're getting dizzy. Just remember to say it with a smile.
If the follower is turning pale (or green), that should be a pretty good indication that you've spun her one too many times.
I totally agree with tsb. In Lindy Hop and Boogie Woogie at least, more than two turns is superfluant. I do 3 turns with my regular dance partner, but that's different.
--
Alf
cupojoe2
03-21-2004, 08:23 AM
...three minutes fighting for my life...
I think that many who have danced with me would say that your quote captures
the essence of the experience... :wink:
dancin_feet
03-21-2004, 05:10 PM
My turns usually slow down and while spotting I'll glare at my partner, they'll usually stop. Either that or a "stop now or I'll throw up" comment usually gets them to stop!!
...three minutes fighting for my life...
I think that many who have danced with me would say that your quote captures
the essence of the experience... :wink:
ouch. where is rohio?
cupojoe2
03-22-2004, 02:32 PM
where is rohio?
rohio is Ohio... in cartoon dog talk...
bordertangoman
03-22-2004, 04:20 PM
Isn't there a ballet technique for pirhoettes that prevents getting dizzy?
I'm a whirling dervish.
jdavidb
03-22-2004, 04:58 PM
If she gets dizzy, start spinning her the other way to undo it. Just kiddin
where is rohio?
rohio is Ohio... in cartoon dog talk...
i guessed as much. curious mainly because i grew up in ohio.
bgirlswinger
03-22-2004, 06:29 PM
yeah ,. .you lead i follow,... but if somethign isn't working... talkin works
Itel lthem i feel dizzy or,.. can we cut back o nthe turns and they usually understand.
-amber d.
pygmalion
03-22-2004, 06:46 PM
For me, hysterical giggling often works ... like after a dozen turns or so. When you start laughing, the guy knows you've had enough. LOL.
Leads -- how do you know when you have turned your partner too often and need to let their head stop spinning?
When her last meal ends up on my shirt :wink:
More seriously, if she goes off balance, goes off track, grabs at my hand, or says "I'm getting dizzy".
A low-impact way to gain insight into how much a follow likes to turn is to provide a bit more lead than normal into a free spin and watch carefully; if she does multiples, then you're probably pretty safe leading them now and again. Likewise if you lead one spin and she does two, that's a pretty good sign.
It always amuses me that women act impressed if a man does a mere double.
alfborge
03-22-2004, 07:30 PM
Good point with the give hear some room and see what she does. I'll keep that in mind :)
twnkltoz
03-22-2004, 07:44 PM
If she gets dizzy, start spinning her the other way to undo it. Just kiddin
You kid, but that actually works! Next time you get dizzy, turn the other way once or twice. It does the trick!
dancin_feet
03-22-2004, 08:02 PM
If she gets dizzy, start spinning her the other way to undo it. Just kiddin
You kid, but that actually works! Next time you get dizzy, turn the other way once or twice. It does the trick!
It certainly does work. I'm always at my instructor to "unwind" me after he has tested my turns. :D
cupojoe2
03-22-2004, 08:27 PM
where is rohio?
rohio is Ohio... in cartoon dog talk...
i guessed as much. curious mainly because i grew up in ohio.
Today... it is freezing in Columbus... :cry:
so, on days like today, it is better to have grown up here than to actually live here...
I hope to grow up and move to somewhere warm like Pasadena...someday...
Today... it is freezing in Columbus... :cry:
bummer. btw, i went to school in ann arbor...
cupojoe2
03-22-2004, 11:05 PM
bummer. btw, i went to school in ann arbor...
sorry to hear that... but it is Ok, everyone makes a mistake or two when they are young... :wink:
bummer. btw, i went to school in ann arbor...
sorry to hear that... but it is Ok, everyone makes a mistake or two when they are young... :wink:
no problem, i acknowledge that OSU is a great alternative for people who can't get into college... :P
jdavidb
03-23-2004, 06:11 AM
If she gets dizzy, start spinning her the other way to undo it. Just kiddin
You kid, but that actually works! Next time you get dizzy, turn the other way once or twice. It does the trick!
I'll have to try again on myself. I tried it a couple of times to see if I could undo dizziness from chaines turns all the way across the room in ballet. I'll try again. Maybe it only works on some people?
cupojoe2
03-23-2004, 05:15 PM
no problem, i acknowledge that OSU is a great alternative for people who can't get into college... :P
Nice shot! If I was an OSU grad, I'd be hurt... maybe even crying… thankfully, I too am a UofM grad -- but not the one in Ann Arbor -- the one in College Park, MD.
no problem, i acknowledge that OSU is a great alternative for people who can't get into college... :P
Nice shot! If I was an OSU grad, I'd be hurt... maybe even crying… thankfully, I too am a UofM grad -- but not the one in Ann Arbor -- the one in College Park, MD.
i have to admit ACC basketball as a league is the toughest. still, i'm grateful that you understand. it was more intensified because i spent four years in the marching band so i had more than just bragging rights to be concerned about come new year's day. i'd like to think that the OSU fans who do the stupid things would have gone to michigan state had they been michigan residents!
cupojoe2
03-23-2004, 08:55 PM
i'd like to think that the OSU fans who do the stupid things would have gone to michigan state had they been michigan residents!
The bands in the Big Ten are better than the football!!! and the football is great! :)
When we go to the games, we go early to hear the band and stay late to hear them again.
Win or lose, after an OSU game, you can count on two things -- rioting and a great show from the band.
Sarah
03-24-2004, 12:51 AM
Ok? since Jdavidb has played a ?newbie filler? this deal, I don?t feel quite so bad with mine?
Leads -- how do you know when you have turned your partner too often and need to let their head stop spinning?
Follows - how do you let your partner know that if that enough is enough?
Leads - count the turns. If you reach four, you've done too many. (Four or more is booooooring, even if your partner is capable of it)
Follows - Stop following. Or fall over. Your choice. ;)
Cheers
Sarah
i'd like to think that the OSU fans who do the stupid things would have gone to michigan state had they been michigan residents!
The bands in the Big Ten are better than the football!!! and the football is great! :)
When we go to the games, we go early to hear the band and stay late to hear them again.
Win or lose, after an OSU game, you can count on two things -- rioting and a great show from the band.
the standard line at U-M is that the folks who don't make the team join the band. during my four years in band, our intramural football team went undefeated and even went on the road challenging other college band football teams and beat them.
osu fans definitely take the rivalry much more seriously than U-M fans.
Leads - count the turns. If you reach four, you've done too many. (Four or more is booooooring, even if your partner is capable of it)
in swing, definitely, but not necessarily in other dances. i've had many a gratified salsera tell me they'd never been turned so many times so smoothly before.
TemptressToo
03-24-2004, 11:02 AM
Miss Technicality to the rescue. Actually dizziness is a trick of the brain. I've learned this from figure skating where numerous rapid spins are done. It is kind of like a smell...when you walk into a room that smells of cookies...you only notice it for a while. Then your brain turns off the recognition.
Dizziness is the same way. After so much practice...your brain will stop registering it. So...yes, ballet dancers in theory control their spins by spotting (as do ballroom and latin dancer)...the reality of the matter is that after enough training...their brain no longer even gets dizzy. The sensation is trained away.
alfborge
03-24-2004, 11:40 AM
To be even more technical. The reason why one gets dizzy is that the brain is trying to make sense of the scenery that flies by in overwhelming speeds. This overloads the brain, and so you get dizzy. If you do enough spins, the brain will realize that it shouldn't try to make sense of the scenery when it goes by this fast, and so you won't get dizzy anymore.
I might be wrong in the above, but this is what I've heard from Johnny Lloyd, and he seemed pretty sure of himself when he said it :)
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