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MadamSamba
03-20-2004, 07:33 PM
Just saw this in today's Herald Sun. It mentions the new reality-tv show,
Strictly Dancing (http://www.dance-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=2320) but it also talks a lot about ballroom dancing in the modern world...what do you reckon? Is ballroom still the staid and boring field most young people believe it to be or is it as sexy and funky as this article suggests?


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Ballroom dancing. Now there's a phrase capable of sending shivers up most spines, particularly those belonging to the most recent generation. The words immediately conjure up images of ancient dancers strutting to even more ancient melodies . . . not to mention sequins, lots of sequins, everywhere.

But as diehard viewers of the ABC's hit reality TV show, Strictly Dancing, will attest, dancing these days isn't as your parents, or more likely, grandparents, knew it.

There isn't a tacky fluorescent feather boa or a diamante-encrusted ankle-length gown to be seen. Instead, viewers are treated to a feast of bitching, back-stabbing, passion, sweat, and intrigue. Oh, and then comes the dancing.

The latest cab off the reality TV rank is doing for the samba and salsa what Temptation Island did for adventure travel and, as Australia's half-million social dancers have discovered, once you've been touched by the tango or seized by street latin -- there's no going back.

Dubbed a search for Australia's ultimate dance couple, Strictly Dancing pits 48 pairs, including some of Australia's best-known and most accomplished dancers, against one another.

But each couple must dance "out of their comfort zone". So, a pair well versed in ballroom dances such as the cha cha and rumba must try their hand, or feet in this case, at street dances, such as hip-hop, salsa, and funk.

Similarly, those trained in the fluid, improvisational pop or swing styles of dance go head-to-head with some of the country's best latin performers. As one social dancer described the concept: "It's like asking a swimmer to compete in a triathlon or getting an AFL team to play a rugby match alongside the Wallabies."

The result is a strangely addictive, emotion-charged ride. It's much like following your favourite football team through a gruelling four-month season, with more than one million people tuning in nationally each Friday to watch.

The figure is higher because, as one social dancer puts it, most dancers are out on a Friday night and most tape it and watch it the next day.

By the end of the show's run, viewers can expect to be able to see a clumsy alemana (underarm turn) and tell the difference between a death-spiral and a bum spin. Don't be surprised if you're tempted to sign up for lessons.
"Dancing tends to do that to people, it can be addictive. It's huge in Australia and it's growing, especially social dancing," says Ross McCaffer, who runs one of Melbourne's oldest dance studios, Star Studios in Bentleigh.
Body: "It's no longer rigid and staid, with rows of people going around and around in circles. Lots of people dance and don't make it public."
McCaffer estimates, conservatively, that more than 7000 people dance ballroom style socially across Victoria each weekend.

"Of course, that doesn't include street latin and swing or people dancing at clubs. People love to dance," he says.

"These days dancing is dynamic. It's electric, exciting, passionate and sexy. The dancing has changed, the gear has changed and the culture has changed. Yes, people are still doing foxtrots and waltzes, but then there's swing, there's street latin, there's Argentine tango. There's something for every age and style and taste."

Star Studios started free lessons to beginners last August and class sizes have tripled, "breeding the next generation of dance addicts".

Anecdotal evidence suggests dancing studios across the country have experienced a surge, albeit a small one, in enrolments.

Owner of BJs Dance Studio in Fitzroy, Rebecca Jones, says every time Dirty Dancing or Strictly Ballroom is replayed on TV there is a surge in people wanting to learn to dance.

The ABC hopes Strictly Dancing will tap into this innate human desire.

The show was the brainchild of Paul Melville, a veteran producer whose credits include Commonwealth Games broadcasts, The Mike Walsh Show and Good Morning Australia. His dancing qualifications are not so impressive and extend only "to a basic waltz and the occasional dip".

MELVILLE pitched the idea for "a show about dancing" to the ABC in October last year using the genre's rich and successful pedigree as leverage. There haven't been many dancing shows, but those that have made it to air have done exceedingly well.

That's Dancing, a ballroom dancing competition that aired on the ABC in 1989 and 1990, occasionally out-rated 60 Minutes while its inspiration, the BBC's Come Dancing, ran for several years and has been recomissioned in England.

The annual Australian Dancesport Championships, aired on Christmas night every year, consistently take the top ratings spot.

The spectacular Burn the Floor, a ballroom and latin dancing extravaganza, has played to sold-out audiences across the globe since its debut in Australia four years ago.

Melbourne plays host to the World 10-Dance Championships, one of the world's most prestigious dance competitions, in December.

"One thing dancers kept telling me was that they were born to dance, but I think everybody was born to dance," says Melville, who, as soon as filming ends on May 31, will sign up for lessons in latin dancing.

"Humans crave three things, joy, companionship and ecstasy. Dancing, any type of dancing, provides all three. It's perfect for TV."

More than 200 couples across the country auditioned for the show, including a number of same-sex couples.

Unlike competition dancing, Strictly Dancing allows same-sex couples to perform alongside traditional male and female pairings and, as the show's host, Paul McDermott puts it, "Oh, my God".

So far four all-female teams have made the final cut, but the producers are yet to find male couples convincing enough to pass the audition process.

The show calls for dancers who perform convincingly as a couple in any of 12 dance styles, and male couples appear to have a harder time with the strict lead and follow traditions of dance.

Each couple was given between three and six weeks to learn six dances of the producers' choosing.

As is the norm in dance competitions, they were given no clue about the music to which they would be dancing.

On the night of filming, each couple performs the six dances in a nightclub atmosphere to a live band and audience. The best couple, the duo with the most points in each dance moves on to the semi-final -- like Australian Idol for the feet instead of the voice.

"Most people tune in to the Dancesport championship at Christmas after eating too much on Christmas Day," says Melville. "They're generally entertained and amazed by what they see, but they want to know more about the couples, what drives them, what they care about, what makes them compete.

" Strictly Dancing goes backstage and you get a feel for the couples, their individual personalities and just how competitive they are."

Among the couples featured is the Shepparton brother and sister team Jeremy and Amanda Garner, Australia's number two latin couple. Despite their obvious superiority in most forms of the dance, their lack of hip-hop and jazz experience meant they missed out, controversially, on first place in the maiden episode by 1.2 points.

"Amanda and Jeremy were fantastic, but the show is about the ability of a couple to dance outside their comfort zone and cross over into dance styles they're unfamiliar with, but technically capable of performing," says Melville.

While Strictly Dancing will no doubt prove hugely entertaining to the non-dancing masses, even die-hard dancers such as Marie Nogalo are not entirely one-eyed in their praise of the show.

"I can't see how you can fairly judge hip-hop against latin or jazz," says Nogalo, the Garners' coach and a nationally accredited latin judge.

"They've got totally different techniques being applied. Some of the dances are partner-oriented dance forms, whereas others are single-person dances.

"There's more skill required in the partnering dances, but at the end of the day, things may not be quite how we like them, but the show will still be enjoyed by most people and it's great publicity for dancing."

T HE Garners, who come from a family of six brothers and sisters, all of whom dance, have the same reservations, but remain gracious in defeat.

"It was fun and nerve-racking, but it was exciting and a great experience to be on TV," says Amanda, 18. "We didn't win and yes, we were a bit disappointed, but everyone danced well. We're used to competing and part of competing is getting used to losing."

Only seven episodes of Strictly Dancing have been filmed, with the remainder due to be filmed by the end of May. The winning couple, who by the end of the series will have shown proficiency in 12 dances, will be dubbed Australia's ultimate dancing couple.

It is bound to inspire new dancers such as Linh Tu, a new dancer who works as a wealth-management portfolio administrator by day and hits the dance floor at night.

"Plucking up courage to go dancing is one of the best things I ever did," she says.

"Dancing has brought so much to my life. I mix with people I wouldn't ordinarily, I've made tonnes of friends and it has brought me incredible amounts of self-confidence and I hold myself better.

"The best bit is that, particularly with ballroom, you step back to a time when men acted like gentlemen and women were treated and acted like ladies."

ShyDancer
03-20-2004, 09:14 PM
I think it has the Stigma of being old fashioned...and I think a big part of the problem is people dont realise that Latin Dancing falls under the "Ballroom" catergory. I had this problem for a long time, I wanted to dance Mambo, Cha Cha etc.. but I only ever saw schools advertising Ballroom classes so I never looked into it, only by chance did I find out that Ballroon actually included the Latin that I so badly wanted to try!
I always envision Ballroom to be the Waltz...... :lol: :lol: :lol: I find it very amusing to look back and realise just how little I knew!
My friends laughed when I told them I was Ballroom dancing......some of them are now trying it out once they saw what I have learnt!

I think schools need to advertise a lot more efficiently.....Send out flyers with something like "Come try a sexy Mambo, a flirty Cha Cha Cha, move those feet and swing those hips to a sexy latin beat"
Something that will entice people! If others have the image I once did of ballroom dancing then it is sure to remain fairly unpopular.

Shamby
03-20-2004, 09:17 PM
I was the same Shydancer. I thought ballroom was exactly as described, long feathery dresses, tackily applied make-up and, as the article says, ancient dancers moving to even more ancient tunes. Couldn't have been more wrong. I reckon a few studios should use your advertisement!!! I'd try it!

Genesius Redux
03-21-2004, 01:14 AM
Seems to me that it's not about sexy vs. staid, "hip" Latin and rhythm on the one hand and "old-fashioned" smooth/standard on the other. It's really about visibility--well-advertised dances, public performances, and as has been pointed out in other threads, ballroom dance as a viable choice for Phys Ed classes in schools, initially with swing and salsa perhaps.

I don't think the smooth/standard dances seem so much old-fashioned as unattainable. People think of Fred and Ginger, and wonder (rightly) where they could ever use the foxtrot or the waltz. While those dances are not "sexy" in the same way that mambo is sexy, or "flirty" like a cha cha, they are certainly romantic--two bodies moving as one. People are starved for romance, too.

More promotion and visibility, a conscious attempt to create more venues for dance, would be a nice trend. I was talking to someone just the other day about the idea of a dance studio with a great floor, dances on the weekend, and maybe a coffee shop attached to it. If you build it, they will come.

Porfirio Landeros
03-21-2004, 09:15 AM
Here's the official site: http://www.abc.net.au/strictlydancing/

I wonder if they'll try anything like this in the USA.

ABC produced that Dance Fever show, which showcased a couple of partner dancers. A Latin-dance couple made it pretty far, and their rumba got some very good praise from the judges, but the show only aired on the cable version - ABC Family.

Sabor
03-21-2004, 10:11 AM
Way i see it.. the problem is simple ..

The phrase ''Ballroom'' needs to be changed because its simply not, never was, nor ever will be a sexy catching phrase.. it really does the dance styles included injustice.. so, not so much effort is really required to promote it.. just simply change the 'title' and voila!

Porfirio Landeros
03-21-2004, 10:21 AM
The phrase ''Ballroom'' needs to be changed...

I think the American Style movement may already have the right idea...

Shall we start referring to the Ballroom Standard dances as "Smooth"?

Wow, Smooth dancing is soooo sexy.

Did you see how inspiring those Smooth dancers were?

I want a Smooth dancer, not just a Smooth talker...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Genesius Redux
03-21-2004, 10:31 AM
The phrase ''Ballroom'' needs to be changed...

I think the American Style movement may already have the right idea...

Shall we start referring to the Ballroom Standard dances as "Smooth"?

Wow, Smooth dancing is soooo sexy.

Did you see how inspiring those Smooth dancers were?

I want a Smooth dancer, not just a Smooth talker...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

"Smooth operator.....
Smooooooooth...operator...."

:lol:

Sabor
03-21-2004, 10:49 AM
or..

Its so smooth it borders on slippery.. want to slipp a little?

Its so smooth.. its nicked ''the vaseline dance"..

etc. etc.. :lol:

etchuck
03-21-2004, 11:19 AM
Here's the official site: http://www.abc.net.au/strictlydancing/

I wonder if they'll try anything like this in the USA.

ABC produced that Dance Fever show, which showcased a couple of partner dancers. A Latin-dance couple made it pretty far, and their rumba got some very good praise from the judges, but the show only aired on the cable version - ABC Family.

If the audiences in Australia and Britain do well enough with it, you can probably expect an American version. Then you could anticipate a production of a "world challenge" like World Idol did...

I guess it depends on all this Olympic stuff goes too.

dancin_feet
03-21-2004, 05:06 PM
The phrase ''Ballroom'' needs to be changed...

I think the American Style movement may already have the right idea...

Shall we start referring to the Ballroom Standard dances as "Smooth"?

Wow, Smooth dancing is soooo sexy.

Did you see how inspiring those Smooth dancers were?

I want a Smooth dancer, not just a Smooth talker...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Isn't that why they changed the name to Dancesport?

tsb
03-21-2004, 05:19 PM
The phrase ''Ballroom'' needs to be changed...

I think the American Style movement may already have the right idea...

Shall we start referring to the Ballroom Standard dances as "Smooth"?

Wow, Smooth dancing is soooo sexy.

Did you see how inspiring those Smooth dancers were?

I want a Smooth dancer, not just a Smooth talker...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

NAIR does the trick for me. but any depilatory will suffice.

Porfirio Landeros
03-22-2004, 01:31 PM
Here's the official site: http://www.abc.net.au/strictlydancing/

Did anyone get a chance to check out the videos of excerpts from this show? It's pretty cool to see the range of dances they have to do. The ballroom couples seem to be the best all-around, compared to the street and jazz dancers. :o

DancePoet
03-22-2004, 07:52 PM
The studios can help by educating through their marketing efforts to those who don't quite have an accurate perception of what the dance world is all about. The movie industry can help with this by the manner in which they show what the dance world is like. Dancers talking about dance with family, friends, co-workers, and others, peoples' impressions will change over time, too.

And dance is only as sexy as a person wants it to be in their own mind. :)

Adwiz
03-23-2004, 10:08 AM
The phrase ''Ballroom'' needs to be changed because its simply not, never was, nor ever will be a sexy catching phrase..

The IDSF has been hard at work on this front, changing the name to "DanceSport." I think their efforts are right on, and they are also not rushing it too quickly but allowing it to develop. Terms like "coach" and "athlete" or "competitor" are now being used in place of "teacher" and "dancer." Medals are given out that look like medals used in Olympic games or other athletic competitions. This process has been attracting young people and will continue to improve the image of the sport. In 5 more years or so I think we'll be seeing very little use of the term "Ballroom dancing."

DancePoet
03-23-2004, 08:25 PM
Very little use of "Ballroom Dancing"? Really? I'd be surprised. Maybe less use, but then I tend to enjoy it's connotation, so I'm likely being influenced by my feelings. The future could certainly prove me wrong.

Adwiz
03-24-2004, 10:36 PM
The future could certainly prove me wrong.

Could prove me wrong too. As a marketing guy, I tend to always be too optimistic about how fast things change. :wink:

pygmalion
03-26-2004, 10:28 AM
No fair. Apparently BBC1 is starting a new TV show as well (or is it the same one?) Strictly Come Dancing. And the ballroom teachers in the UK are braced for a resurgence in interest. Although, from what I understand, ballroom dance always has been a part of British popular culture. True?Get your dancing shoes on! Mar 26 2004




By Jenny Parkin, The Huddersfield Daily Examiner


Ballroom dancing is big this spring, as BBC1 launches its new flagship show, Strictly Come Dancing. In Huddersfield, more couples than ever are taking the floor. JENNY PARKIN talked to local dance teacher Peter York

IT'S usually the wife's idea. She decides it's time they learned to dance properly, and marches her hapless husband, one arm twisted behind his back, to the local dance school.

But once they try a few steps, learn to move in time to the music, the men learn to love it - often more than the ladies!

This is how dance teacher Peter York sees it. And he should know, he founded York Dance Studios in 1975 and has been turning graceless beginners into competent, "nice and tidy" social dancers ever since.

Now, he's busier than ever, welcoming newcomers in bigger numbers than ever before to his two ballrooms at Radcliffe Road, Milnsbridge.

As for a revival, what revival? Huddersfield never stopped dancing.

For years, ballroom has been very much in the background of popular culture.

It's had little exposure in the media or on the TV. Now all that's set to change. A new BBC1 Saturday night show will combine the talents of Bruce Forsyth and the appeal of Come Dancing, which was first screened four years after the Second World War.

It's to be called Strictly Come Dancing and will involve celebrities dancing with professional dancers.

In Huddersfield, fresh interest is set to be sparked through the Lawrence Batley Theatre - a glitzy production actually called Ballroom, to be staged in July, will be a highlight of the summer programme.

Meanwhile, spring fashion conveniently fits in with the theme - the shops are full of twirly 50s-style skirts and dresses and dainty, pretty shoes.

Peter says: "Come Dancing was great because it made people aware of ballroom dancing. But the standard of dancing was so good, it could put ordinary people off.

"Those dancers would have been attending private lessons since the age of three. I teach competition-standard couples but they're not around at our socials for beginners and improvers."

Peter, a fellow and examiner of the International Dance Teachers Association, taught at Crosland Moor Liberal Club for four years before taking on the derelict former Milnsbridge County Club.

He opened on New Year's Day 1981 and today has seven other freelance dance teachers working for him, taking children's and adult classes.

Traditionally, couples have taken up ballroom or latin dancing when their children have grown up, and they're looking for a new, sociable past-time.

Peter explains: "If you holiday in Spain there are lots of opportunities for dancing and more and more people are going on cruises - where dancing is also big."

It can also bring new romance to a marriage. Peter's wife Roma says: "Couples who come to beginners' classes might not have danced together for years."

But younger couples have also been drawn to lessons. There's a growing trend for young men and women to learn how to waltz or rhumba in the run-up to their wedding - so they can impress their friends and relatives on the big day.

Some teenage girls, too, aged 13 to 15, have also shown an interest in learning ballroom steps at the York studio.

Learning is often easier than some newcomers fear but becoming competent needs patience and work.

Peter says: "There's no quick fix. Most starters are on a level. It's rare you get someone with three left feet - and equally unusual for someone to show real flair as soon as they hit the dancefloor.

"At the early stages, it's easy - men especially are often apprehensive. But when they realise they can move to the music without getting embarrassed, they enjoy dancing just as much as the women, if not more."

Peter buys specialist CDs from all over and can slow the music down to make things easier for tenative dancers, who pay £3.50 per session.

He says: "If they're good enough, some dancers train to win medals but for the vast majority, it's a social thing - a chance to dress up smartly, have a dance and a drink and meet new friends.

"It's certainly better for you than sitting in the pub!"

SO WHAT'S the difference. Peter York briefly explains those dances.

Ballroom: "Ballroom has been around since the turn of the century - there's the waltz, foxtrot, quickstep and tango. It's all about two people dancing as one, with style and posture. More advanced techniques can be very tricky to master - the correct sway, rise and fall, and footwork, are all important. "

Latin: "Latin encompasses rhumba and cha cha cha from Cuba, paso doble from Spain, the Brazilian samba and jive, from the US. Dance partners move rhythmically and individually. There's not as much contact as with ballroom."

Sequence: "As popular as it's ever been, it involves dancing a 16-bar sequence and dancing couples move around the floor together in a circle. This eliminates the need for floor craft, you don't have to worry about bumping into someone else. New sequence dances come out all the time. Old-time dancing, meanwhile, concentrates on classical sequences."