More Support for Men Learning How to Dance

[Pass It On]

MEN who know how to move on the dance floor know all the right moves in the bedroom, claimed a report yesterday.

A survey of 2,000 women revealed that the way a man dances is a dead giveaway to his performance between the sheets.

More than 80% of the women questioned said there was a definite link, and that magic movers were certain to be able to perform more than a few tricks in the bedroom.



Read the full story here (http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/page.cfm?objectid=12916863&method=full&siteid=50082&headline=Dancing%20into%20women's%20arms).

So which guys here in the forum are good dancers? :lol:

[Spitfire]

Is there any truth to it? - lol :lol:

[Vince A]

. . . that very few "real men" have responded to this!

Read the article by Victoria Ward . . . very interesting, and I do believe every word of it. I have heard of this, and have known about it for years! However, knowing this has not influenced my dancing to the point it is forced! I am me, I always dance as if the person I was dancing with was the only person on the floor. Short or tall, young or older, skinny or pleasingly plump, I look into their eyes, and want them to look back into my eyes as if we were in bed.

I social dance more now than I compete, and I rarely have to ask someone to dance. Usually, I am being asked to dance before I get off the floor. I am not bragging here, nor am I stuck on myself. Just trying to let you know "why" I believe that article -
I:
Know quite a few tricks in both places . . .
Am not a duffer . . .
Know I've been tested by women to check out my technique . . .
Am not flashy, but "could be" . . .
Am proud of my moves, but not too proud . . . proud enough to please . . .
Definitely am not shy . . .
Do not know how to do a "side-to-side" shuffle???
Have not taken up ballroom dancing - yet . . .
Have mega-rhythm . . .
Guarantee reaching the "peaks of passion" is almost certain . . . but that's up to you . . .
Am not a "furious action man," as I work very hard to control arms and legs . . .
Dance less with my mate . . . although she is my best social dance partner . . .
Am very "relaxed and rhythmic" and very smooth . . .
Do run out of gas, but after 4 to 6 hours of dancing, most everyone's reserve is low . . .
Love to be creative, always caring, most considerate, very skillful, and invent surprises . . .

In answer to your questions . . . "yes" I am a good dancer . . . and "yes," there is truth to it! I guarantee that if, almost every man out there would take pride in his appearance, his
personal hygiene, and his dance prowesses, and, would read and heed this article and not let it go to his head (no pun intended), his love life would be more than fulfilled and his dance card would be full!

Vince

[Vince A]

. . . that this past weekend, I attended a 5-day dance competition. As I was checking into the hotel where the event was being held, Victoria Ward's article came hauntingly to mind. It was then and there that I decided to practice (during the entire weekend) what I preach and to heed every word in the article.

Results: Without a doubt, it was the best "dance" weekend I have ever had. I have never had SO MANY women ask me to dance . . . even before I got off the floor from one dance, I was being taken by the hand and asked to dance. I danced with many advanced dancers and some pros. Seeing the smiles on their faces told me that I was dancing well, and . . . I was 'into' them!

It was unbelievable! I literally had to change clothes 3 times a day, and lost over 12 pounds over the weekend!

What a weekend. Now, I want to do an article from the guy's side of the fence. Hell . . . maybe a book, like "Men Are From Earth; Women Are From Earth - Get Over It!' or how about - "A Lead to Follow."

[Pass It On]

I think the confidence is setting in!
As long as you are fair and kind to all of the ladies, you'll be the hit of the party. Just be careful it doesn't go to your head too much. :lol: It happens all the time. On the other hand, there are some great male dancers that are also great people.

[Black Sheep]

Dancers in the bed room?
I can't answer the question about men's dancing being a good indicator of their bedroom performance, for obvious reasons; I'm a male. But I have always felt that I could pretty much judge a man's personality by his dancing, within some limits. The insecure showoff to me is obvious, the creative personality is easy to see, the ego centric who is more concerned with his gyrations while he leaves the girl left twiddling her thumbs is always somewhat pathetically amusing, the confident dancer who concentrates on his partner and is oblivious to others around him, the shy but good dancer (often the stud), he who dances for fun, then there is the seducer (dirty dancing) trying to convince others of his virility, and many other personality traits , I feel, can be analyzed by watching a male dancer. But determining action in the bed chambers by his dancing is one personality trait that is out of my spectrum of my experience for judging, except when watching ladies dance, then they all look like good bedroom material to me! But then I'm 80 years old going on 15.

Black Sheep

[Vince A]

. . . the confidence IS setting in. It's what has been missing in my dance.

I am "fair and kind to all the ladies," and I do not use my dance abilities to get them into the sack! I actually felt like I was the "hit of the party" this past weekend.

As for letting it "go to my head," - no way! Been there. Done that! After several 1st overall wins during 2002, I was seriously knocked down a peg or two at World's. I was humbled and learned my lesson. Never again. That was six months ago, and I still have not competed, as I need to grow a little more.

Besides, there is no need to do this . . . I already have the best partner, in life and in dance. I hope that every male out there could be as lucky as I am to find such a partner.

. . . and "no," she doesn't have this website!

[Vince A]

213 hits . . . and only a handful of males reply! Come on guys. Are you that unsure of yourselves?

Black Sheep - Ah, a man who knows!
I pride myself on learning how to "read' people. The book, "Body Language" has been a invaluable tool for life. I certainly can also just watch a person dancing, and can tell you what kind of person he/she is.

I see that were are both going on "15" . . . how can we possibly have so much knowledge?

By the way, I sent you an E-mail via your Website. Even if you are 80, I'm one man who would love to jump into your back pockets for a few months, so I could learn from you. I know you have a lot to say and teach. Thanks for all your comments here in Dance-Forums.com . . . I read and cherish each one.

Vince A

[MissAlyssa]

I believe there is quite a bit of truth there..but my lips are sealed :lol:

[PunkDancer]

Hey People! I am a Guy and just joined this forum. I started dancing at age 16. And i had a couple questions. But this is mostly to the guys.(girls if you have comments please reply). 1)"Why did you begin dancing and what styles of dance?" and for straight sexual oriented guys. 2)" Do other guys make remarks or talk about you being in dance/ even question your sexual orientation?" :?:

[Vince A]

Hey People! I am a Guy and just joined this forum. I started dancing at age 16. And i had a couple questions. But this is mostly to the guys.(girls if you have comments please reply).

1)"Why did you begin dancing and what styles of dance?"
It was in my blood . . . my Mom was a champion Jitterbug dancer, as well as Ballroom, and I played music from an early age . . . so the musicality and rhythm made dancing a natural expression of music if I wasn't actually playing it.

I'm mostly into Swing-type dancing.

2)" Do other guys make remarks or talk about you being in dance/ even question your sexual orientation?" :?:
Does it really matter??? You are 16, and most of the guys you hang with today will not be around you in 5 years.

But to answer your questions . . . of course they make remarks. Guys do this to each other - especially at your age.

Have I been questioned about my sexual oreintation?
Of course, but who cares? Are you going to let what someone else says or does influence your thinking or what you want to do. I rarely turn down a dance - male or female. It's dance . . . we're not having sex

If what your male friends say or do has an influence on what you say or do or hide, you are the one who needs to change the attitude. You cannot control what they say or do, but you can control the way you perceive it, and then change your attitude.

I would venture to say, that since you are on this site . . . you like to dance. I encourage you to do so . . if anything to discover something else about yourself. You are brave to ask the questions you did . . . now be brave and ignore (I know it will be difficult) what is said about you.

Dancing can open doors for you. Doors that maybe you have only dreamed about . . . oh . . . one last thing . . . WELCOME TO THE DF!

[Sagitta]

And welcome to df PunkDancer! I started last year in my 20s.

In ref to 2)...people talk about comments being made, but no-one has ever said anything derogatory to me. I actually like dancing both follow and leader roles, and it does not make a difference to me if I'm dancing with a guy or gal. People might be saying things behind my back, but I don't really care. I know that for the typical guy my approach to dance is a little odd. Yesterday night in dance class a beginner was having trouble with a move and I told him to lead me. He was a little taken aback, but he got used to it and appreciated the advice that I gave him. (I help out teaching latin.)

In ref to 1) I started dancing because I though it looked like fun and wanted to. I started with swing but moved to latin...salsa, cumbia, bachata, forro, cha-cha, merengue...argentine tango. I know a little ballroom as well, but latin is my focus.

Ciao!

[twnkltoz]

I think it's more a matter of what sort of dancer he is. My ex-boyfriend is a decent social dancer, but dances by himself. Has no idea he has a partner....ie, turns away from you and gets mad because you're not where you belong, etc. Also, been dancing the same moves for as long as I've known him. Guess what? Selfish and totally uninteresting lover.

My husband is a WCS dancer and totally tuned to his partner. Guess what? Absolute opposite of the above guy.

I don't know if it has anything to do with dancing or not...maybe it's a personality issue.

[Pacion]

As I said on another thread PD, welcome! I agree with Vince! (Although I am female :wink: )

One of the reasons I agree is that I was recently asked whether I thought a certain well known/famous male salsa teacher and performer was gay :shock: I was like :shock: :shock: :shock: how am I supposed to know :!: I only dance with the guy :shock: and no, I was about to try anything to findout whether he is/isn't :lol: If this teacher had listened to such comments/questions about his sexuality and had stopped dancing, the salsa world would be a much poor place for it :(

I can imagine that it is difficult for guys but, no more difficult I guess for hetersexual women who wanted to play rugby/football or even work in the construction industry. :? Hopefully, it has become easier than it was say 10 or even 20/30 years ago :?

[Sagitta]

Since this is coming up the place where I go dancing has quite a few people with same gender sexual orientation. The odd thing is while I've seen lesbians dancing with each other at the latin nights I've never seen gay guys doing the same. Straight guys will dance with each other, but not gay guys. In fact I see the gay guys come in with boyfriends and then proceed to dance with ladies all night. :? I asked one for a dance and he was taken aback. :?

[tsb]

i think it's more a case that if you already have the temperment that makes you an attentive & considerate lover, the way you dance will reveal that to others.

richard powers up at stanford put it this way:


A bunch of us guys were talking after a dance years ago and one said,
"Have you ever noticed that the best dancers are often the best lovers?"

Then when I passed this observation on to my wife Melanie, she replied,
"Are you guys just discovering that NOW? We've been saying that for
years!" ;)

What is the connection between the two? (which is why I brought this up to
a dance class.)

Most people agree that the best lover is the one who is totally THERE for
his or her partner. A "bad lover", regardless of technique, is one who is
only in it for his or her self gratification.

Similarly, your best dance partners are totally there WITH you, not just
using you for their self gratification.

(Beyond that, there is no further connection necessary between these two
realms. ;)


it IS true that the process of learning to become a good lead can teach things about what really pleases our followers - but i suspect it's individual temperment that influences what nuances are assimilated by any given leader.

i was going to take issue about the line in the article about ballroom dancers - but i note that this is based in the UK, where i suspect most of the people dancing ballroom are dancing international style. let's put it this way; at my alma mater, i saw the following written on the side of one of the engineering buildings:

michigan engineers do it with precision

underneath it someone (no doubt of the fairer sex) had responded:

the last thing you need is precision

[tsb]

Since this is coming up the place where I go dancing has quite a few people with same gender sexual orientation. The odd thing is while I've seen lesbians dancing with each other at the latin nights I've never seen gay guys doing the same. Straight guys will dance with each other, but not gay guys. In fact I see the gay guys come in with boyfriends and then proceed to dance with ladies all night. :? I asked one for a dance and he was taken aback. :?

here in la i know of at least one place (rudolphos) where they have a gay salsa night. haven't been there myself, but i've heard through the grapevine that some of the guys are terrific followers. i will not speculate on the implications.

[jon]

Wanting good connection and paying attention to your partner are useful behaviors in many contexts, not just dance floors and bedrooms. This is a surprise to anyone?

[DancePoet]

Well ... interesting.

I read the title of this thread, and since I was looking for a good spot to put my 500th post, I felt it would be neat to provide some encouragement for other men just beginning to learn ballroom dancing. Didn't expect to find the actual direction of this thread to be as it is, but this works anyway.

I suspect that if a survey of 2000 women says "that the way a man dances is a dead give away to his performance between the sheets", this must be true! I'd go a step further and say that the way a man dances is a dead give way to his personality which very likely indicates how he dances through life, not just between the sheets.

I enjoy dancing with women, and one of my favorite parts about dancing is having the woman smile, giggle, and laugh. If they are enjoying the dance, then they are happy, and this brings joy to me, too!

I know this translates into how I am between the sheets, yet I speak this with confidence, and not arrogance. I enjoy being "creative, caring, considerate, skillful, and full of surprises" on the dance floor, and this is can be a personal choice for anyone in how they conduct themselves throughout life, not just with dance and making love.

I started taking lessons to learn what I perceived to be a fun social skill for use at social events. It has become a useful way to practice social skills beyond just the technique and art of the dance itself. As a result of the coupling process that goes on between two dancers, I believe it is actually improving the way I dance through life.

Back to the reason I originally picked this thread for my 500th post ... I encourage men to take lessons, practice what they have learned, discover how patience can really help, and don't forget to be loving in the way you dance with the women in your life, whether or not you are on the dance floor with them.

[Danoo]

well im 14 years old and been dancing for 11 weeks :)
all the women say im a good dancing and most women ask me to dance after they say im really good so

theres a bit a good news :P :roll:

[PunkDancer]

Thanks for the info. and for your experiences and opinions to the questions. Vince: I'll be 18 soon. (started when I turned 16). But I dont let other peoples remarks alter the way I feel about dancing at all. I just wanted to know if all male dancers deal with the same problems. But for me its a little more then that. because my own girlfriend makes remarks about it. Including other people I deal with on a daily basis. I learned salsa and merengue from my family. I even teach other kids in dance class. But the studio I dance at dont teach latin dance. Its HipHop, Tap, Ballet, Jazz, and Tumbling. But just me being in Ballet results in people questioning my sexual orientation. They also are a little taken back by my flexability.
:)
But again nobody can say anything that will alter how I feel about dance.

[Sagitta]

Good for you PunkDancer!! :cheers:

[Sagitta]

well im 14 years old and been dancing for 11 weeks :)
all the women say im a good dancing and most women ask me to dance after they say im really good so

theres a bit a good news :P :roll:

I want to say something, but my mom is saying no. :(

[PunkDancer]

wow! some one gots a Big Head! :wink: (danoo)

[DancePoet]

And to think Sagitta was biting his tongue! Lol. ;)

[love2swing]

2)" Do other guys make remarks or talk about you being in dance/ even question your sexual orientation?" :?:

Well, my fiance used to get crap from his work friends. They are all the macho, stereotypical construction worker guys. But then, a couple weeks ago when a couple of them asked him to play basketball with them the following day, he declined and said he had a dance lesson. He said they all got looks on their faces like they were going to make fun of him, and then one guy's facial expression changed completely and said "Man, I've always wanted to know how to do that." And a few other guys admitted the same thing. Well, we passed out business cards, and now a few of them take lessons at the same studio we do. The point of this story? I don't know-- just dont' worry about what other people think. If you want to do it and it's something you enjoy, just go for it!

Also, women love a man who can dance! Just throw that in if anyone questions your sexuality.

[PunkDancer]

I also got from your story that: the people laughing could be interested in the same thing, they just laugh to avoid the situation you are in now.(being laughed at!)

[DancePoet]

Way to go love2swing! Great story!

[DWise1]

One word:
"It's important to have good solid basics."

And connection.

[PunkDancer]

Plus it not good to laugh at people in any situation. " They may forget what you said, But they will never forget how you made them feel." Me I got inspired by college guys doing cheer. I want to start now. Did you know that when cheerleading started it was mostly or all guys!!? and all straight. So I dont know why people think of it as "only homosexuals cheer!" :?:

Who knows what will be said whats I start that!!?

[Danoo]

wow! some one gots a Big Head! :wink: (danoo)

*looks around and points to himself*
me never :P

[cocodrilo]

I can't offer my honest opinion on this subject as I have never dated a dancer. All I can say is that the latinos I know in the salsa scene are pretty passionate guys, and some of them are quite sexy, so hmmmm. I might believe that report... :wink:

[DancingMommy]

Let's be perfectly candid...

My main requirement (after religous ones) was that my husband to be be a "better dancer than me". ;) I lucked out. :idea:

And having been married "before" to a pathetically bad (read can't dance to save his life) dancer, I can honestly say the article DOES in fact ring true.

[danceguy]

Most people agree that the best lover is the one who is totally THERE for
his or her partner. A "bad lover", regardless of technique, is one who is
only in it for his or her self gratification.

Similarly, your best dance partners are totally there WITH you, not just
using you for their self gratification.

Great post tsb, I agree fully with this. It really hit home for me when I think of dancing at your partner's level, accepting them for who they are...and then with a little positive encouragement a more experienced person can allow the other to learn and grow. Not forcing or making their partner dance at a level that's above them...but allowing their expressive and passionate side to come out. Many times the good dancer/lover is hidden away and has been too hurt or intimidated by bad experiences to come to the surface. But when someone is able to make that breakthrough... :)

When I see men using women in an abusive way on the dance floor...I try not to imagine how they treat their lovers. A few weeks ago I was at a huge Salsa club and there were 3 guys dancing with this one girl who was a spinning tornado machine. One guy would dance with her, spin her 20 times (plus a few other tricks) and then pass her off to one of his friends. It was one of the biggest displays of ego and soul-less dancing I have ever seen. But in all honesty...what it reminded me of was pornography...dancing without any heart and soul...if true Salsa is like lovemaking...then this was the exact opposite. :oops: :roll:

SG

[Laura]

Once again I'm jumping in late, so I'll just speak to the original topic.

I was just talking to a friend of mine who is currently in China. My friend tells me that at the dancesport training schools there, girls pay twice as much as boys to attend. It used to be the the girls would pay and the boys would get in free, but this has changed. Still, I wonder what effect doing a sort of "ladies' night in reverse" would have in the US? Bars and clubs have drink and admission discounts to attract women, why not have partner dance clubs and studios try the reverse? I guess it would only work if cost rather than personal and clutural inhibitions were a major barrier to men starting partner dancing.

[Chris Stratton]

Bars and clubs have drink and admission discounts to attract women, why not have partner dance clubs and studios try the reverse?

I wonder though if one gender feeling a sense of being "in demand" creates some odd, negative tone to the interaction - sort of a license to take advantage of that status.

[Laura]

Well, that's already the case with dancesport in the US, so it's not like we'd be creating a new situation :)

[peachexploration]

....... and then pass her off to one of his friends. It was one of the biggest displays of ego and soul-less dancing I have ever seen. But in all honesty...what it reminded me of was pornography...dancing without any heart and soul...if true Salsa is like lovemaking...then this was the exact opposite. :oops: :roll:

SG

Right SG, this is one of the MAIN reasons I stay away from clubs unless I come with a partner. :?

[Chris Stratton]

Well, that's already the case with dancesport in the US, so it's not like we'd be creating a new situation :)

But a lot of these apparent demographic differences get reversed in an adjacent level or style or region... so sometimes you have to wonder if the real problem is a tendancy to define others by their current appearence rather than by even their near term potential.

Of course a bar or a social dance is mostly about immediate potential... wheras dating or a partnership can be as much about future possibility as the present.

[tj]

A few weeks ago I was at a huge Salsa club and there were 3 guys dancing with this one girl who was a spinning tornado machine. One guy would dance with her, spin her 20 times (plus a few other tricks) and then pass her off to one of his friends. It was one of the biggest displays of ego and soul-less dancing I have ever seen.

SG

Care to qualify your statement further? I’ve done this exact sort of thing before with a couple of my buddies, and the 4 of us were having a wonderful time. We weren't doing it for the audience - it was a mutual appreciation for the artistry of my two male friends as well as her ability to handle all of it and fit her own styling within the greater framework of the dance.

I don't think that the act of 3 leads sharing a follow is an ego/soul-less dancing thing at all. Maybe to someone watching, but I could give a hoot about what that person is thinking.

[danceguy]

TJ - I didn't mean that switching partners was soul-less...it was the energy that the particular folks gave off. It could be dancing with one partner or 10 partners...I've seen partner switching that was very very beautiful. :)

Keep in mind this is only my opinion...and perhaps I tried to get my point across a bit too much. I didn't mean to offend you if that's the case.

SG

[PunkDancer]

girls pay twice as much as boys to attend.

This is true. At my studio I pay half price then the girls.

[tj]

TJ - I didn't mean that switching partners was soul-less...it was the energy that the particular folks gave off. It could be dancing with one partner or 10 partners...I've seen partner switching that was very very beautiful. :)

Keep in mind this is only my opinion...and perhaps I tried to get my point across a bit too much. I didn't mean to offend you if that's the case.

SG

No problem, SG. It's why I wanted you to clarify your statement.

[DWise1]

Once again I'm jumping in late, so I'll just speak to the original topic.

I was just talking to a friend of mine who is currently in China. My friend tells me that at the dancesport training schools there, girls pay twice as much as boys to attend. It used to be the the girls would pay and the boys would get in free, but this has changed. Still, I wonder what effect doing a sort of "ladies' night in reverse" would have in the US? Bars and clubs have drink and admission discounts to attract women, why not have partner dance clubs and studios try the reverse? I guess it would only work if cost rather than personal and clutural inhibitions were a major barrier to men starting partner dancing.
Interestingly, a local ballroom that teaches Salsa offers discounts for new female students and for couples (so as to not upset the lead/follow balance), while we stags (unaccompanied males) must pay full price even from the start. This speaks to me of there having been way more guys than girls when the policy was put into place.

Most of the students there are Latino (I'm one of the few hueros (ie, fair-complexion type) there) -- he even teaches the classes bilingually -- , so maybe it's a still a cultural thing in that social dancing is much more a part of Latino culture and there's much less of a stigma on guys dancing. It almost seems ironic, considering how important machismo is in Latino culture.

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Mexican by marriage.
It's harder for my wife; she's Irish by marriage.

[twnkltoz]

I don't know why, but for the last few months, most of my classes have been almost all men with only one or two women! This is more a case with intermediate and up classes...the intro and beginning classes tend to be a little more balanced as couples tend to come together.

[DancePoet]

Wow! Just noticed at the time of this post that the number of views to posts views on this topic is approx 36 to 1! I suppose do to the nature of this topic this shouldn't be surprising.

[Sagitta]

girls pay twice as much as boys to attend.

This is true. At my studio I pay half price then the girls.

And which studio is that? That's the studio I want to go too!!!

[DWise1]

I don't know why, but for the last few months, most of my classes have been almost all men with only one or two women! This is more a case with intermediate and up classes...the intro and beginning classes tend to be a little more balanced as couples tend to come together.
I have seen it suggested in discussion that while women progress much faster than men do in the beginning, the men then surpass the women and many women start to drop out when they find that they actually have to work hard to progress. Whether that's a factor in what you observe, I couldn't say.

Or would it be because the men need to continue in class to learn the new moves while the women are out in the venues just following those new moves?

[MacMoto]

A few weeks ago I was at a huge Salsa club and there were 3 guys dancing with this one girl who was a spinning tornado machine. One guy would dance with her, spin her 20 times (plus a few other tricks) and then pass her off to one of his friends. It was one of the biggest displays of ego and soul-less dancing I have ever seen.

I don't think that the act of 3 leads sharing a follow is an ego/soul-less dancing thing at all. Maybe to someone watching, but I could give a hoot about what that person is thinking.
It's more a matter or what the follow thinks than people watching, isn't it? Getting spinned 20 times and then passed off to someone else for more spinning is certainly not my idea of fun, but as long as the girl enjoys that sort of thing and the guys are doing it because they know she likes it, not just because they think it's fun, that's fine. Again, the love-making analogy fits here I suppose.

[tj]

I don't think that the act of 3 leads sharing a follow is an ego/soul-less dancing thing at all. Maybe to someone watching, but I could give a hoot about what that person is thinking.
It's more a matter or what the follow thinks than people watching, isn't it? Getting spinned 20 times and then passed off to someone else for more spinning is certainly not my idea of fun, but as long as the girl enjoys that sort of thing and the guys are doing it because they know she likes it, not just because they think it's fun, that's fine. Again, the love-making analogy fits here I suppose.

Yup - believe me when I tell you that we're not only paying attention to the other two guys, but the follow, too. In fact, the primary focus is on her, not the two guys. We won't do this with just anyone either.

There are some follows out there that absolutely kick ass - they'll handle anything you can think of, and while you're panting, trying to catch your breath because the song is so darn fast and long... meanwhile, she's like "Ho hum, is that all you've got? (in a playful manner of course)", so you need to pass her off to your buddy while you take a breather.

[salsachinita]

she's like "Ho hum, is that all you've got? (in a playful manner of course)", so you need to pass her off to your buddy while you take a breather.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: .......been there, done that (perhaps minus the multi-spinning :oops: )!

I love being passed around amongst friends......

[tj]

she's like "Ho hum, is that all you've got? (in a playful manner of course)", so you need to pass her off to your buddy while you take a breather.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: .......been there, done that (perhaps minus the multi-spinning :oops: )!

I love being passed around amongst friends......

It's also something that gets done for both "Birthday Dances" and "Farewell Dances".

Hey SC, on a related note: When I had my "Farewell Dance" in Seattle a few weeks ago, Gustavo put on a killer song - it was great except it was soooo long! He even joined me and we were dancing shines together. You would've enjoyed it.

[salsachinita]

Hey SC, on a related note: When I had my "Farewell Dance" in Seattle a few weeks ago, Gustavo put on a killer song - it was great except it was soooo long! He even joined me and we were dancing shines together. You would've enjoyed it.

:D I wish I was there! He's the man 8) !

[tanzsegler]

Quote:
MEN who know how to move on the dance floor know all the right moves in the bedroom, claimed a report yesterday.

A survey of 2,000 women revealed that the way a man dances is a dead giveaway to his performance between the sheets.

More than 80% of the women questioned said there was a definite link, and that magic movers were certain to be able to perform more than a few tricks in the bedroom.




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So which guys here in the forum are good dancers?

What an article, wow,.! One sided that it is.

What about the converse side? Women who can dance

relaxed and rhythmic(ally)

are also better in bed.

Everything in the article seemed to be the same when describing women as well. Except of course the beer and football.

[Sagitta]

I don't like beer or football, but I know plenty ladies who do. :?

[cocodrilo]

I don't like beer or football, but I know plenty ladies who do. :?
Like ME!!! :D

[danceguy]

:doh:

Honestly, I think there needs to be more support for women dancing...at least in my area. There are enough leads to sink a battleship! :headwall:

[Sagitta]

I don't like beer or football, but I know plenty ladies who do. :?
Like ME!!! :D

Right!!

It's not that we want more men SG, or anyway, not me. I simply want support for me.

[amrimi]

:doh:

Honestly, I think there needs to be more support for women dancing...at least in my area. There are enough leads to sink a battleship! :headwall:

Where do you live? Sounds like a fun place to move to.

[dancin_feet]

I don't know about the correlation of men who dance and their bedroom skills. Then again, I've only ever gone out with non-dancers! :wink:

[squirrel]

I have dated dancers... and the only thing I can say iro their "bedroom performances" is that they make love the same way they dance... not in the sense of skills but in the sense of way of treating a woman, of enjoying themselves... those with a strong lead are the same in bed... the playful ones are interesting :wink: :lol: ... the boring leads - ouch!

[tsb]

I have dated dancers... and the only thing I can say iro their "bedroom performances" is that they make love the same way they dance... not in the sense of skills but in the sense of way of treating a woman, of enjoying themselves... those with a strong lead are the same in bed... the playful ones are interesting :wink: :lol: ... the boring leads - ouch!

on the wall of one of the engineering buildings at my alma mater, some one (presumably a male) once wrote:

"engineers do it with precision"

someone (presumably female) subsequently added:

"the last thing you need is precision"

[Addicted2Salsa]

:doh:

Honestly, I think there needs to be more support for women dancing...at least in my area. There are enough leads to sink a battleship! :headwall:

I am very curious about this.

In Melbourne I think that we have more girls than guys.

I find it interesting that in some places there are more guys than girls. As a guy I know that it is harder for guys to follow their desire to learn dancing (especially partner dancing) because of peer pressure or fear to be ridiculed. In that sense I admire girls for their courage to go and learn things that they like, e.g. dancing! :)

But from what danceguy said and a friend of mine, it seems that some places have more guys than girls.

Would anyone know what are the factors that could lead to a situation where there's more guys than girls?

Is it the competitive side of salsa being so strong in that region that guys get into it more than girls? Or is it because the guys in these regions are more opened to dancing? (No disrespect to the girls, I'm only saying this to help you guys understand my question)

Thnx for replying :P

[hopelessly_addicted]

where in melbourne is there more leads than followers??? Also, if you could gimme the venue names, I may be able to provide reasons for melbourne-specifically.

[hopelessly_addicted]

As a guy I know that it is harder for guys to follow their desire to learn dancing (especially partner dancing) because of peer pressure or fear to be ridiculed. In that sense I admire girls for their courage to go and learn things that they like, e.g. dancing! :)

That's an interesting concept that there's that peer pressure that you say guys feel. I'm gonna ask around leads that I know if they feel it as well! :P I know that girls don't particularly feel that pressure at all - ie my courage to start dancing salsa may have something to do initially with trying out an unknown territory, but has nothing to do with the peer pressure...

[Addicted2Salsa]

where in melbourne is there more leads than followers??? Also, if you could gimme the venue names, I may be able to provide reasons for melbourne-specifically.

I was referring to danceguy's post, and and was wondering why and where there are more guys than girls in salsa :)

Obivously, in Melbourne as in most parts of the world (from what i've been told), there are more girls than guys.

[Addicted2Salsa]

As a guy I know that it is harder for guys to follow their desire to learn dancing (especially partner dancing) because of peer pressure or fear to be ridiculed. In that sense I admire girls for their courage to go and learn things that they like, e.g. dancing! :)

That's an interesting concept that there's that peer pressure that you say guys feel. I'm gonna ask around leads that I know if they feel it as well! :P I know that girls don't particularly feel that pressure at all - ie my courage to start dancing salsa may have something to do initially with trying out an unknown territory, but has nothing to do with the peer pressure...

Yep, it is.
I find it a bit strange but it is a fact that many guys find it a bit hard to dance because of peer pressure.....

[hopelessly_addicted]

just recently, i asked 2 guy friends whether their friends/workmates know that they dance. 1 said that they do, the other said that he'd tell if anyone would ask. Neither thought that they'd be teased if others know about it.. I guess it's kinda different for different people..

[pygmalion]

I agree that traditional gender-role expectations have loosened up a lot. I think there's still pressure for men to distance themselves from dancing, but perhaps not as strong as it used to be. Not sure. :?

[Sagitta]

just recently, i asked 2 guy friends whether their friends/workmates know that they dance. 1 said that they do, the other said that he'd tell if anyone would ask. Neither thought that they'd be teased if others know about it.. I guess it's kinda different for different people..

Very true. I'm a dancer and proud to be one. :wink: :)

[tacad]

Most people think it's cool that I dance. If I tell them I'm going swing dancing
or to one of tsb's salsa parties they think it's really cool. 8)

[sanityhaven]

I think that most guys believe other guys will tease them about dancing. When in reality, I think that most guys secretly want to dance and think its cool when some other guy tries it.

[pygmalion]

Hey. If only guys (in general) had any idea what women (in general) think about men who dance ... they'd all sign up for lessons immediately. :lol: :lol:

[Throwaway Overshare]

Hey. If only guys (in general) had any idea what women (in general) think about men who dance ... they'd all sign up for lessons immediately. :lol: :lol:

But when they do sign up for lessons, they soon learn that it's mostly the women who can't dance who hold this view strongly enough to be influenced by it.

[pygmalion]

Beg to differ with you, brother. :roll: :wink: :lol: You're right, IMO. There isn't a one-to-one relationship between a man's dance abilities and other relationship-related abilities.

But still, men who dance have a few dance-related aptitudes that appeal to me. Healthier/better-maintained bodies, in the aggregate. Ability and willingness to dance with me (something a lot of non-dancing women also value). Enough humility to try something new (dancing) even if he feels silly doing it. (This translates into other relationship areas as well, IMO.) Willingness to be led or back-led by a woman when the situation demands it. (Priceless! IMO)

Oh yeah. 8) A guy with experience in partner dance can be a very good thing. :wink: :lol:


Just my opinion. :lol:

[Throwaway Overshare]

Would you like to go dancing?

[sanityhaven]

Hey. If only guys (in general) had any idea what women (in general) think about men who dance ... they'd all sign up for lessons immediately. :lol: :lol:

So what pray tell is would that be? Enquiring minds want to know. :wink:

[pygmalion]

*giggle* Uhh... What is this thread about, anyway? :roll: :lol:

[sanityhaven]

*giggle* Uhh... What is this thread about, anyway? :roll: :lol:

since when did that matter? :lol:

[pygmalion]

Would you like to go dancing? :lol: :lol: Definitely. there's nothing quite like dancing with a man who knows how ... to dance. :lol: :lol:

[Addicted2Salsa]

just recently, i asked 2 guy friends whether their friends/workmates know that they dance. 1 said that they do, the other said that he'd tell if anyone would ask. Neither thought that they'd be teased if others know about it.. I guess it's kinda different for different people..

Hopelessly_addicted,
I agree that it's different for every guy. I have always loved dancing (until recently .. only solo dancing) and have had no need to hide it and have always been proud of it. It helps me in sports and keeping me fit :) Thx for replying to my post



I agree that traditional gender-role expectations have loosened up a lot. I think there's still pressure for men to distance themselves from dancing, but perhaps not as strong as it used to be. Not sure. :?

Indeed pygmalion, with hip-hop becoming so prominent nowadays (and group classes), its better now.. but I have a feeling that some guys still find it hard to pickup partner dance. E.g. many of my friends guy will give hip hop a try but many would think twice before going to a Jazz class :)


I think that most guys believe other guys will tease them about dancing. When in reality, I think that most guys secretly want to dance and think its cool when some other guy tries it.

Good POINT sanityhaven! :)