Transition of dances - Please please help !

[Paul F]

Hello everybody. Can I just start by saying what a fantastic forum. thankyou to whoever has the task of moderating it :)

I am just starting out in the world of salsa and I have one question. Its not just an ordinary question, its one that I simply cannot get a straight answer too from anyone......
......"Does Salsa have footwork??"

Ok, I know this sounds like a stupid question but I will try and explain the best I can.

I have a background in Modern Jive. Love it or hate it MJ has essentially stolen all of the upper body movements from salsa and does not teach any footwork (or very very minimal). Here in Manchester we dance it to all types of music from rock to dance because it is danced to 4 beats in a bar ie. a movement for each beat.

Now I want to go into Salsa as I want to be able to 'feel' the latin music which I consider to be simply irresistable.

.....(im getting there with my question :wink: ).....

I know salsa is danced on 3 out of 4 beats eg. 123_567_ etc.

My question is....As long as I keep to that beat pattern DOES IT MATTER WHERE MY FEET ARE??????

For example - the cross body lead. As far as I know it I would step forward with my Left - lady back on Right - then replace my weight - then I would 'open' on 3. This is the way I have seen it taught.

RIGHT

***If I were to, say , step across my right foot with my left on one - lady back on right - then replace my weight on 2 then open on 3.....would this be wrong????
I have kept to the beat and opened on 3. As far as the lady is concerned I could have wrapped my foot around my head as long as Im there on 3.

I know this may sound very silly to most of you but its something I have wanted an answer to for so long.

Can I do any footwork as long as I stick to the beat??

Dont get me wrong i realise some moves require my feet to be placed in a certain place/direction etc. otherwise i would step on the lady's foot :roll: but as far as i can see from watching videos of the top salsa people they dont have any set pattern to their feet but obviously are right on the beat.

Sorry for the long post. Thanks so much for reading.

[ShyDancer]

Ooooh! This topic ought to get some good responses!

Sorry I cant help you out as Ive just started Ballroom Salsa, and yes we do have steps....There are some hardcore Salsero/a's here who Im sure can enlighten you!

[Paul F]

Ooooh! This topic ought to get some good responses!

Sorry I cant help you out as Ive just started Ballroom Salsa, and yes we do have steps....There are some hardcore Salsero/a's here who Im sure can enlighten you!

Hi ShyDancer. Thats exactly what I mean :wink:. Should I be doing Ballroom Salsa to pick up the footwork or stick to club lessons??
There must be a reason why ballroom teachers teach EXACT foot positions .......or do they. Do they teach precise and exact foot positions for every move?

[SDsalsaguy]

Hello everybody. Can I just start by saying what a fantastic forum. thankyou to whoever has the task of moderating it :)
Hi Paul F, and welcome to the Forums! :D

Most of the individual forums (i.e. salsa, wing, etc. each have there own moderator(s)... you can see their names on the index page of each individual forum or at the end of the forum descriptions on the main index page. Aside from these people DanceMentor, the site founder and administrator, and I, the site moderator, make sure that everything's running smoothly.

OK, now on to your question. I know you were a lot more specific, but i'm going to try to deal with the most basic version you asked...

Can I do any footwork as long as I stick to the beat??
Yeas AND no! :lol: (Sorry, couldn't help myself)

Seriously though, you are correct that there is no mandatory footwork and more advanced dancers, as you have probebly noticed, syncopate their own footwrk both up and down as they choose.

So why do I also say "no"? because sticking to the beat is only the most basic level of what you are trying to acomplish... dancing with your partner. What becomes crucial here is that you can do any footwork you want so long as it doesn't interfere with your leading of your partner. So yes, if you can wrap your foot behind your head without disrupting your lead, you're welcome to do so... (mind you, there's a different issue regarding dance charecterization that might frown upon such contortionism but, from a technical standpoint, you'd be fine). You just need to be careful that, as you change up your steps, not stepping on your partners feet is only a piece of the picture... communicating to her what you want, as the leader, has to come first.

Hope that helps and, again, welcome to the DF! :D

[SDsalsaguy]

OK, following up on ShyDancer's point, i would contend that there are *not* correct steps but, rather, correct ways of *doing* steps. So what do I mean by this? Simply that one would not use rise and fall, even if on beat, in salsa. Why not? Simply because this is not something that is part of salsa. Could it be done? Sure. Would it look or feel like salsa? *Highly unlikely!* So, in the same way, one can ultimately change up the specifics of the steps in salsa -- what else, after all, are shines? -- but the manner of motion needs to remain true to an understanding of basic salsa mechanics and motion. Hope that made sense... I'm multi-tasking at the moment... :?

[ShyDancer]

Ooooh! This topic ought to get some good responses!

Sorry I cant help you out as Ive just started Ballroom Salsa, and yes we do have steps....There are some hardcore Salsero/a's here who Im sure can enlighten you!

Hi ShyDancer. Thats exactly what I mean :wink:. Should I be doing Ballroom Salsa to pick up the footwork or stick to club lessons??
There must be a reason why ballroom teachers teach EXACT foot positions .......or do they. Do they teach precise and exact foot positions for every move?


Ok you are going to get differing opinions on this, but Id say pretty much the same as SD. Classes enable you to pick up the basic timing and leading ability that you are going to need out in the club scene. But there are some people who have just gone out and learnt it all in the clubs like salsachinita :)
The only reason teachers teach exact positions is for us beginners I think! I am taught precise and exact foot positions for every move but Im going for my medal so I have to be taught the syllabus that the ADS (our governing body) sets out. Exact footwoork gives us something to work off, and like anything else the better you become at it the more you will experiment with it and invent your own steps and style.

Good Luck with it and Ejoy your dancing!

[Paul F]

It certainly does make sense and thankyou for replying SD and , well SD!

Dont worry I cant actually do that foot around head thing :D Just thought I would try and highlight my point.!!

I think I see what you mean about the feet.

Would I be right in paraphrasing what you said into this:

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In salsa there are no EXACT and DEFINATE places to place your feet for move 'x' (so long as you are in beat)
BUT
A more controlled foot placement pattern can enhance the lead and hence, the smoothness of the dance/connection.
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Sorry if this isnt what you said as I may have interpreted incorrectly.

[ShyDancer]

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In salsa there are no EXACT and DEFINATE places to place your feet for move 'x' (so long as you are in beat)
BUT
A more controlled foot placement pattern can enhance the lead and hence, the smoothness of the dance/connection.
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Sorry if this isnt what you said as I may have interpreted incorrectly.

Pretty much! I do it, not only in salsa but I find myself doing it in Cha Cha as well, especially with the more advanced partners, even if I dont know the lead I just make sure I keep on beat with the 2,3 cha cha cha and it usually goes smoothly! The same can be applied to Salsa :D

[ShyDancer]

Dont worry I cant actually do that foot around head thing :D


I wonder if ANYONE can?? Would certainly make for interesting viewing on a crowded floor.............

Anyone care to give it a go? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Paul F]

Pretty much! I do it, not only in salsa but I find myself doing it in Cha Cha as well, especially with the more advanced partners, even if I dont know the lead I just make sure I keep on beat with the 2,3 cha cha cha and it usually goes smoothly! The same can be applied to Salsa :D

Fantastic. thats good to hear.

Hope everything goes well with your medal qualifications. I can only dream of being that good at dancing :cry:

[SDsalsaguy]

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In salsa there are no EXACT and DEFINATE places to place your feet for move 'x' (so long as you are in beat)
BUT
A more controlled foot placement pattern can enhance the lead and hence, the smoothness of the dance/connection.
----------

Sorry if this isnt what you said as I may have interpreted incorrectly.
I'd shift it a little, although I think your getting the gyst of what I'm trying to say...

Maybe try this,

In salsa there are no EXACT foot placements for move 'x' (so long as you are in beat)
BUT
some options are unworkable as your choices in footwrok should never interfere with your leading/following
AND
certain manners of moving remain truer to the character of the dance than others (i.e. a syncopation with cuban motion is more "salsaish" than identical foot placements executed with rise and fall).

Hope that helps...

[borikensalsero]

Welcome to the forums Paul F...

SD has covered pretty much all...

We must all know foot placements that go with given moves as beginners. So to that is the part I say YES. There are positions where your feet should be at when doing particular things. On the other hand, following SD’s take, NO. Once we get good enough we can do away with stepping where we should step at as long as we don’t compromise the lead, the follow, the beat, etc. That is really known as “playing with the music” which is mainly done by advance dancers. Done so because most advance dancers are technically sound where they pretty much know the dos and don’ts. Their main concern (Leaders) should be the beat, the lead, care of the lady, then as an after thought the playing with footwork. We must compromise and worry about each other before any footwork comes into play, so at this time we must know where the feet are and where they ought to be for a proper lead/follow, etc. Once you got that down pat, then you can throw your leg behind your neck and do a flip while spinning the girl 20 times. :nope:

Perhaps you should take a bunch of shine classes where you can bust out footwork. :D :D Even there they will teach you foot positioning. After you get it, then the footwork is up to you, do as you please with it. That is the beauty of salsa, it can be anything you want it to be. That is as long as you stay within the condiments of Salsa's vocabulary (which are ever changing)...

In all, yes and no... The more you know the more you realize that yes, but undoubtedly know not necessarily. :twisted:

[Paul F]

Im so grateful for all the posts.

I was a bit scared about posting on here as all you people seem to be VERY good dancers - even professional. As I am just a social dancer I wasnt sure if I should but you are all so friendly.

A big thankyou.
:cheers:

I will take on board what has been said in my classes in the future.

[SDsalsaguy]

My pleasure Paul... heck, I started out at the very, very bottom myself, and I too have a long way to go to be the type of dancer I want to be.

Best of luck with all your dancing and I hope to continue seeing you around the DF! :D

[Pacion]

Yeas AND no!

:roll: :tongue:

and I, the site moderator, make sure that everything's running smoothly

Yes, he does! SD gives out lines to those who misbehave :lol:

Welcome to DF Paul. I am "just" a social dancer also, but I have fun :wink: In my opinion, yes, salsa does have "footwork" but not all teachers make that point clear. I guess they are concerned that they will bore the new students if they made them repeat say the CBL a thousand times because their toes are not pointing in the right direction.

As a general rule of thumg, I would say that the toes should be pointing in the direction in which you are going (another one of the jewels my former latin teacher instilled in me) and as you become more confident/been dancing for a while, try and use the toe_heel, heel_toe action rather than just stepping with your foot as a whole, that is, using the flat of your feet.

Oh, and just as there is "footwork", there is also "arm/elbow" work too! Tips for the arms so that the arms and hands look good if not great :wink:

[borikensalsero]

As a general rule of thumg, I would say that the toes should be pointing in the direction in which you are going.... there is also "arm/elbow" work too! Tips for the arms so that the arms and hands look good if not great :wink:

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Pacion, you wouldn't even know how many arguments I get from people who say I'm crazy because I stress that the feet should be pointing in the direction we intend to go. People argue with me that I'm going crazy... Ahhhh, dawg, that is why your CBL looks so darn slappy... Your feet are pointing forward, your body is twisted to the side and she is walking by you while you try to get your left foot up to face her or hope that her body momentum sings your upper body where it should be. I'm sorry but this is such a BAD habit!!! I'm so glad you pointed it out.

Next, the hands, I don't care how much of a big dawg you think you are, if you are busting out a shine routine or a hot combo pattern if your hands are hanging down the side like dead tree branches, my man, you aren't a top dancer, you just a wanna be. It looks ugly, out of synch, it just looks plain bad! There are so many hot things you can do to keep balance, style, accentuate, so many things, why do people just have them hang on the side like they don't need to be moved. The best example is guys doing multiple spins to the ladies. The stand there with one arm hanging to the side, purpose-less, ugly, and beginnerish! Don't tell you are a top dawg but haven't figured out that to be a top dawg all your body needs to be in synch.... Sorry, this frustrates me a lot, and I see it so much from just about everyone claiming Salsa supremacy... I'm not as good as these people, but if I know it, there is no reason they shouldn't! :doh:

[youngsta]

Im so grateful for all the posts.

I was a bit scared about posting on here as all you people seem to be VERY good dancers - even professional. As I am just a social dancer I wasnt sure if I should but you are all so friendly.
Don't sweat it Paul! Many of us are mere social dancers too :wink:

[danceguy]

Hi Paul,

There's not much I can add as there is some really great advice here, but as a relatively new Salsa dancer I can share what I have found.

For the past 4 months I've been learning and doing only Salsa in clubs...and working on my basics first and foremost. Continuing to take beginners classes, always showing up at the lessons before the dance...and each time I go I pick up some little jewel to put in my Salsa journal for future reference.

I used to stick to doing the basic Salsa steps and never thought to deviate from it. Now that I've got a pretty good grasp on it, I've found that I am starting to play with it a lot. If just happens as I feel the music, a heel tap or two there, a step and slide the foot with a hip shake there. I know I still look pretty awkward while dancing...but now that its very easy to keep on beat...I can play with the fundamentals more and have fun.

Hopefully I don't look too foolish while I'm doing so, but I haven't got too many complaints. ;)

[tsb]

lotta good stuff posted i won't repeat. but i will add my voice to the parts about not compromising your lead. as to your example using a CBL, i think you'll eventually discover that most salsa venues are so crowded that the CBL as you are currently learning it is often not practical as you will want you find a direction that will minimize the chance of your partner getting clobbered when she tries to execute the CBL. a local studio in my bailiwick makes a point of teaching a concept of a 'circular' slot that emphasizes teaching the followers to be prepared to rotate within the 1st three steps of her basic so that should a CBL be led, the direction of the CBL may be in any direction and not towards where the leader was at the beginning of count 1. the guy who teaches this is reasonably well-known, btw. he & his partner were (among other things) in "dance with me" (in the electric blue outfits). his studio hosted a USABDA dance this past sunday night and he demonstrated this concept as part of the freebie lesson.

for those of you familiar with the footwork that allows you to perform consecutive CBLs traveling down the same direction, just think of skipping the first CBL and stepping to a place to the follower's left and rotating her so that she's ready to complete the CBL in a direction up to 180 degrees away from the direction she was originally facing.

this concept of a circular slot makes it really easy to dance with two women, without having to lead them each through the same move or to have one style or shine in place because it allows you more freedom as a leader to move in a way that will allow to retain a connection with both partners...

[salsachinita]

A belated welcome from me. Paul F!

I havn't got anything to add, apart from the fact that I LOVE having people joining salsa from other dance forms......it adds more variety into the "gene pool" :wink: !

Most of us are social dancers......fanatical we may be, but pros we ain't (apart from some)!

I started with two left feet of the worst kind, and NO confidence....... :oops: Now there is still a LONG way to go for me!

But there are some people who have just gone out and learnt it all in the clubs like salsachinita :)

:oops: :oops: :oops:

As much as I'd love to claim that I'm one of those people who *just* winged it at the clubs & became great almost overnight (I actually know people like that :shock: ), I did take some classes (maybe 1% of my total time of dancing, but still....) :oops: ........

[Sagitta]

Welcome PaulF. I'm a social dancer too!! For the arms one trick shown by one of my instructors was while doing the basic by yourself keep your arms between your shoulders and make small circles with your elbows. Somehow that gives you a pretty good approximation of how your arms move and translates well when dancing with a partner. :)

[MacMoto]

Hi Paul,
I have a background in Modern Jive. Love it or hate it MJ has essentially stolen all of the upper body movements from salsa and does not teach any footwork (or very very minimal).
Our resident advanced salseros have already answered your question about "exact" footwork, so here's my tuppence worth about the transition aspect.

As a follower, I have danced with a number of salsa beginners who are ceroc dancers, and although they tend to know more moves ("upper body movements" as you call them) than the average salsa beginner, the way they are executed feel very different. You see, there may be no correct way to dance salsa, but there is right in the sense of "this feels/doesn't feel right". Often moves led by ceroc-dancing salsa beginners don't feel right -- movements seem bigger and jerky, and I seem to need to travel more because the leader seems to move more. I have a feeling that part of this is down to what's happening from the waist down, i.e., the footwork isn't salsa -- no Cuban motion, steps being too large and uppy-downy, etc. This is not a problem limited to ceroc dancers but is more noticeable in ceroc dancers because they tend to do more moves when social dancing (where I encounter them) than non-ceroc-dancing beginners, who tend to stick to basic steps and maybe a few turns if they feel adventurous. I think the way you do your basic steps determines the overall feel of your dance, and it's a good idea to spend a good deal of time working on your basic and getting it right (i.e., it looks/feels salsa) before you start experimenting with foot styling.

[Paul F]

Ive decided to do what I did when i first learned Modern Jive. I am going to keep a note on all of the things taught to me in the salsa classes and really work on the footwork.
From what has been said, it looks like the best way is to get a solid grounding and then, in time, move on. Thats what I will do.

One of the biggest differences that I can see watching the advanced dancers in MJ and in Salsa is the smoothness and fluidity of salsa (among many other differences). I guess this is attributable to the footwork in no small measure.

We do have dancers who have come from salsa and their style is immeasurably(is that a word :) slicker than most.

Im starting at a new class tomorrow which will , hopefully, suit me. They seem very professional as they are part of a chain of classes. Of course not that this means they are better but I thought I would give them a try.

[MapleLeaf Salsero]

Welcome Paul F! (late welcome as usual)

I think the salsa gurus here at the forums (SD and Boriken) have explained it quite well. I would have to agree that playing with your feet should never compromise the lead. Not only should the lead be clear and assertive, it should be smooth and comfortable for the follow.

I’ve been guilty of compromising the lead on several occasions because of fancy footwork. Usually it happens when I’m dancing a really hot salsa. I sometimes get carried away… :oops: I realise that I’m compromising the lead when I get a facial expression from my partner like this: ( :shock: ). This is when I stop acting like a fool and just dance normally.

Paul, even though there are a number of instructors and some professionals here at the forums most of us are just social dancers. We are however dance addicts (which is a good thing of course). :wink:

Regards,
MapleLeaf

[Pacion]

As a general rule of thumg, I would say that the toes should be pointing in the direction in which you are going.... there is also "arm/elbow" work too! Tips for the arms so that the arms and hands look good if not great :wink:

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Pacion, you wouldn't even know how many arguments I get from people who say I'm crazy because I stress that the feet should be pointing in the direction we intend to go.

Thank you :oops: :D

[ShyDancer]

As much as I'd love to claim that I'm one of those people who *just* winged it at the clubs & became great almost overnight (I actually know people like that ), I did take some classes (maybe 1% of my total time of dancing, but still....) ........

Sorry salsachinita! :oops: My mistake...must have got my wires crossed somewhere :?

[ShyDancer]

Hope everything goes well with your medal qualifications. I can only dream of being that good at dancing

Thank you :) But Im not that good :lol: :lol: Im only at Bronze level (ie beginner!)

You will get there, you seem keen enough so I have no doubt you will :D

[Pacion]

Im starting at a new class tomorrow which will , hopefully, suit me. They seem very professional as they are part of a chain of classes. Of course not that this means they are better but I thought I would give them a try.

Paul, I just came across this, uksalsa.com/Salsology/ which might be in your area (never been to Manchester so I can't comment on location or the venue). I have seen two of the teachers dancing/teaching "Mushi & Emma" and they are very good, some would even say excellent :wink: If you can, I suggest you give them a try and let us/me :lol: know what you think.

[Paul F]

Paul, I just came across this, uksalsa.com/Salsology/ which might be in your area (never been to Manchester so I can't comment on location or the venue). I have seen two of the teachers dancing/teaching "Mushi & Emma" and they are very good, some would even say excellent :wink: If you can, I suggest you give them a try and let us/me :lol: know what you think.

Oooo! sounds promising. Thankyou for that. I will go and have a look now.
Distance doesnt bother me. I have been known to drive 75 miles to a regular class (I must be mad :lol: )

[salsarhythms]

Of course, I'm late on this one!!

Everything everyone said... :D

Seriously though, there is basic footwork to take note of especially
when starting out...

Something like the Basic Step should be learned in order to really
excel later on.

Hands, elbows, foot placement it's all important also for leading,
and safety reasons as well...

So covering floor space is crucial (especially in popular clubs)

So at first there should be a standard set of patterns to practice with
but the more you do it, the more it becomes yours...

[Pacion]

Seriously though, there is basic footwork to take note of especially when starting out...

The "problem" with that SR is that I have yet to come across a salsa teacher who teaches those basics, particularly here in the UK, or he/she gives the dancers those pearls to help them remember and therefore get into good habits straight away.

It is one thing that you remember the moves but if the feet are looking ugly :oops:

Another pearl I heard, which I have remembered and it is amazing the difference it has made to my dancing/ability to follow :oops: is if the guy puts your hands somewhere, ie, behind your back, leave your hand there until he moves it! :oops: :lol:

[Pacion]

Paul, I just came across this, uksalsa.com/Salsology/ which might be in your area (never been to Manchester so I can't comment on location or the venue). I have seen two of the teachers dancing/teaching "Mushi & Emma" and they are very good, some would even say excellent :wink: If you can, I suggest you give them a try and let us/me :lol: know what you think.

Oooo! sounds promising. Thankyou for that. I will go and have a look now.
Distance doesnt bother me. I have been known to drive 75 miles to a regular class (I must be mad :lol: )

75 miles? And how fast were you driving :wink: Seriously, I tend to "understate" things and I have only ever heard good things about Mushi & Emma. They also use a lot of isolations in their dancing so watching them dance is really interesting and from what I saw of their class, they impart that to their students also. Mushi certainly had his students laughing so there was a good vibe in the air.

[salsarhythms]

Hmmmm...

The Basic Step is not taught?

I guess I take it for granted because to me that's something
that should be taught right off the bat... :D

[Pacion]

Hmmmm...

The Basic Step is not taught?

I guess I take it for granted because to me that's something
that should be taught right off the bat... :D

:lol: no, the basic step is taught but the finer points like toes pointing in the direction in which you are going, and in some cases, the move you are doing, irrespective of what you are doing is an "exchange of place" so that way, you and your partner keep to the tiles you have rented :wink: and are not travelling all over the dancefloor, and therefore bumping into all and sundry :oops:

[salsarhythms]

LOL oh ok...

Yeah those pearls are hard to come by, especially if it's an instructor
that is more worried about the numbers...

However, it is tough to get into the nuances in group, so the private
lessons do help out a lot...

The key is to go with someone you trust and with good reputation...

[SDsalsaguy]

Another pearl I heard, which I have remembered and it is amazing the difference it has made to my dancing/ability to follow :oops: is if the guy puts your hands somewhere, ie, behind your back, leave your hand there until he moves it! :oops: :lol:
Yup, and if he drops it let it fall straight down and if he tosses it let it follow the natural arc he initiates.

If he tosses one hand why in G-d's name would you hand him the other??? :shock:

[Pacion]

If he tosses one hand why in G-d's name would you hand him the other??? :shock:

:roll: :roll: because if he is tossing it/throwing it, it is because he doesn't want it anymore and therefore offer him the only other alternative you have :?: :lol: :lol: Okay, I think I am going to be aware of this one now to see if that is what I do :wink:

[SDsalsaguy]

If he tosses one hand why in G-d's name would you hand him the other??? :shock:

:roll: :roll: because if he is tossing it/throwing it, it is because he doesn't want it anymore and therefore offer him the only other alternative you have :?: :lol: :lol: Okay, I think I am going to be aware of this one now to see if that is what I do :wink:
Seriously, I'll turn, drop her hand over my shoulder, step away as I put a hand behind me expecting the hand I just left to drop into mine... only sometimes she sees my hand reaching back so decides to put the other one, which had nothing to do with anything we were doing, in mine. The first few time this happened to me, I was like :shock: and I had no idea what to do... now I just :lol: and go with it! :D

[Pacion]

If that is the move I think it is, you turn so that your back is to the girl, let go of the girl's hand and the theory is :lol: that you collect her same hand with either the hand you were holding hers with or YOUR opposite hand.

Another pearl I was given/taught :lol: is for that move, to slide your hand down the guy's back so that he know where your hand is, without having to look for it and it also maintains the connection between the two of you. Similiarly, if you were dancing and he leads himself into a spin, the girl keeps her hand on his waist a) to feel the rippling muscles of his stomach :wink: and b) perhaps most important of all, once again the guy knows where the girl's hand is and can then recover it to go into the next move. :banana:

[elisamaria]

i really think that the music does truly tell you how to move, if anybody has ever seen "dance with me" they will agree that the movie knows a lot about dancing, you can take a whole lot of classes, but when you get to the club's dance floor you will realize that it's totally different to how you are actually supposed to be dancing, classes don't really teach you how to relax your body while doing the rutines, but hey what will happen when you want to change or the rutine or beat changes, it's always good to mix it up and make moves and rutines of your own, you need to always remember to relax while you are at a club's dance floor

elisa

[MapleLeaf Salsero]

Seriously, I'll turn, drop her hand over my shoulder, step away as I put a hand behind me expecting the hand I just left to drop into mine... only sometimes she sees my hand reaching back so decides to put the other one, which had nothing to do with anything we were doing, in mine. The first few time this happened to me, I was like :shock: and I had no idea what to do... now I just :lol: and go with it! :D

LOL! SD, this used to happen to me also. I couldn´t understand why the girl would give me her non-active hand instead of the one that was sliding down my back. I then realized that I was confusing her beacuse of my arm placement. I would put my arm in the "arrest" position which placed my hand closer to her "inactive" hand, so she would assume this was the hand I was requesting. Now, I place my hand behind my back in the "line" of her falling hand and just let gravity take its course. 8)

[MapleLeaf Salsero]

If he tosses one hand why in G-d's name would you hand him the other??? :shock:

I have ceased to try to understand why women do this. Where´s the logic? Umm. Helloooo....

[MapleLeaf Salsero]

If he tosses one hand why in G-d's name would you hand him the other??? :shock:

:roll: :roll: because if he is tossing it/throwing it, it is because he doesn't want it anymore and therefore offer him the only other alternative you have :?: :lol: :lol:

Great sense of humour, Pacion. :wink:

[borikensalsero]

I actually think it is pretty funny when you toss her hand up and either she leaves it up there doing styling, then when she looks at you, your hand is waiting for hers. :shock: I'm so sorry... :lol: I love seeing the eyes of people when they've just messed something simple up.