Asking a Judge About Marks

[DanceMentor]

Ok, so I'm sure many of us have been in a situation where we got lots of 1sts, 2nds, or 3rds, and then one judge that keeps marking us last. Obviously, there is a time and a place to ask the judge about the marks, and I wanted to get your thoughts on doing this, or even deciding when it is best not to ask.

[Larinda McRaven]

Don't do it unless you already have a open line of communication with that person, such as your own coach.

[_malakawa_]

it is not recommended to ask.

they have the rights to mark as they want.

most of the judges are also a teachers or coaches, so try to get in touch with specific judge and have lessons with him.

[Josh]

ditto what malakawa said...

[Laura]

IF it means that much to you, you could take a lesson with them and see what they tell you.

[White Chacha]

Is it different in pro and proam? As an amateur competitor, I've been encouraged to ask judges who have marked me disparately what their thoughts are.

It's not like I say, "why didn't you mark me for thus and such?". I ask what they'd like to see more of from my partnership in order to earn their mark.

I don't do it all the time, but have gotten really useful feedback on those occasions I have asked.

[Larinda McRaven]

Is it different in pro and proam? As an amateur competitor, I've been encouraged to ask judges who have marked me disparately what their thoughts are.


It is different... but not am vs proam/pro. Instead it is collegiate vs NDCA/Usadance. You are in the collegiate world, not NDCA or Usadance.

[GJB]

It is different... but not am vs proam/pro. Instead it is collegiate vs NDCA/Usadance.

Why is it different?

[Larinda McRaven]

It seems perfectly acceptable in that world to demand an explaination, in a way that would never happen at an NDCA comp.

Things in the college world are just completely different. MUCH less formal. I get college competitors asking me ALL the time why I marked them the way I did, some of the quite angry, some argue with me about why I am wrong, some just want feedback about what I thought.

They walk right up to me, email, private message me, facebook me... And I don't even know some of them, can't for the life of me remember which "girl in the red dress doing rhythm" they are. But I end up trying to accomadate and have just gotten used to the fact that that is the way it goes in the collegiate circut.

[and123]

I stay far away from any coaches who I may know either casually or from training if they are at a collegiate comp and may be judging my event. I just don't think it's appropriate. If they offer me feedback, great - I really appreciate it. If my coach happened to be there, judging me or not, the subject may come up during our next private lesson. Or, if it was videotaped, I may share that and get some critique. But at the actual comp, or from a judge I don't know at all, nope. I don't do it.

[White Chacha]

I have rules for myself. I don't talk to judges until my events are over at that comp. I wouldn't dream of arguing a judge's marks. Larinda, I'm astounded that anyone would do that to a judge. On the other hand, I can imagine it happening.

I confess that when I've asked for feedback, it's been from judges who've been at many of the comps I've attended, and would be more likely to recognize me. I am a bit outside the normal collegiate demographic ;-)

[Larinda McRaven]

Yes you are, but it is still the arena that you play in.

Some competitors can get down right intrusive with the questions, even wanting me to go back and look at their online videos to prove what I am saying... :???: but that is usually reserved for the newer competitors who haven't quite gotten the hang of things. It usually tapers off once someone has been competing longer.

One well established NE collegiate judge told me to absolutley under no circumstances sit there and try to validate my opinion. But that is hard when the college coaches encourage their team members to ask.

This type of behavior does not exist at all at an NDCA competiton.

[etp777]

i can definitely understand that reaction, Larinda. As you said in your first response, and as others have alluded to, unless I had a really good relationship with a judge (which hasn't happened yet, just based on luck of who we've had judging when I happened to be competing), I wouldn't ask unlss I already had a relationship with the judge. Now certain of our regular judges, I'd definitely feel open to ask, even if I might not tak ethat step. Or like with parents at their last comp. One of their regular coaches was a judge. And they didn't ask aboout their scores, but mom happened to see oneof judges in restaurant at hotel and just said hi. then the JDUGE chose to talk to her and say how imrpessed he was at growth he's seen in their dancing isnce first coaching they had with him. That I see as acceptable. Or like, certian judges whom I've spent time with outside of studio (before I was a studdent/competitor :) ) them, I MIGHT ask for further input as to why they judged way they did. but again, that fits Larinda's rule about a previous line of coommunication with them.

[BasicsFirst]

Even our Standard coach (also a judge) says that NOT even a judge may ask another judge about their marking. It's actually in our amatuer rule book that judges are not to be questioned/confronted about their marking.

I agree with Laura, book a lesson with them, (or in Collegiate so it seems just "go for it and ask").

As far as the videotape goes, I don't see how that would help any... the marking is all "relative" to what else is out there on the floor, and it also depends on which '10 seconds' of a couples dancing that any particular judge saw.

[dancepro]

It seems perfectly acceptable in that world to demand an explaination, in a way that would never happen at an NDCA comp.

Things in the college world are just completely different. MUCH less formal. I get college competitors asking me ALL the time why I marked them the way I did, some of the quite angry, some argue with me about why I am wrong, some just want feedback about what I thought.

They walk right up to me, email, private message me, facebook me... And I don't even know some of them, can't for the life of me remember which "girl in the red dress doing rhythm" they are. But I end up trying to accomadate and have just gotten used to the fact that that is the way it goes in the collegiate circut.

I can totally see what Larinda is saying. I have only been in an uncomfortable situation once. A guy that I knew very well came and asked me why I judged the way that I did and then he proceeded to blame me for not making the next cut. I went back to check to see if his accusation was right. It turned out he needed 9 marks more to make the next round. I only judged three of the five dances so even if I had given all three mark that I was able to give, he would not have made it. I had a fellow professional watching the whole scene and he was shocked with the verbal abuse this guy dished me. This has only happened once in the 20 years that I have been judging, so I must say it has never been a problem for me.

Actually I think it would be helpful for the couples, if they knew why we mark what we do. I, personally don't mind people asking me why I judged the way I judged. I like to give the couples a constructive criticism that they can go home and work on. I did have one couple that I teach that always got marked really bad by a couple of judges. They went and had some lessons to find out why. The couple got an understanding what these two judges wanted to see and was able to correct the issue. Most judges would tell you what they think and like to see, if you booked some lessons to find out. I often think the couples have no idea what is getting marked as they are used to watching the competitions as spectators and not as judges. It is very different to watch as a spectator, a coach or as a judge. The couples needs to know either from their coach or from taking lessons with a judge that is willing to talk. If there was a way to give comments without the danger of being attack I think more judges would be willing to talk. I do however like that couple are willing to find out what get marked and not just assume they know. When I judge solo's I will often write in code, just to see if anybody cares to find out what I wrote. I do tell the MC to announce that if any of the solo's want to know what I wrote to come and ask me. I get surprising few request on a explanation.

Dancepro

[fascination]

Yes you are, but it is still the arena that you play in.

Some competitors can get down right intrusive with the questions, even wanting me to go back and look at their online videos to prove what I am saying... :???: but that is usually reserved for the newer competitors who haven't quite gotten the hang of things. It usually tapers off once someone has been competing longer.

One well established NE collegiate judge told me to absolutley under no circumstances sit there and try to validate my opinion. But that is hard when the college coaches encourage their team members to ask.

This type of behavior does not exist at all at an NDCA competiton.
WOW...what an eye opener...I can't even fathom doing that...I can see booking a judge for coaching who consistently doesn't like my dancing so that I can learn what it is that I clearly don't possess...but I guess I can't begin to have the level of surety that would allow me to dispute a judge...

[fascination]

I have had judges say to me; "talk to me after this comp..."..and who were then gracious enough to then tell me what they didn't like....and for that I am very grateful

[DL]

I get college competitors asking me ALL the time why I marked them the way I did, some of the quite angry, some argue with me about why I am wrong, some just want feedback about what I thought.

They walk right up to me, email, private message me, facebook me...

Sadly, this doesn't strike me as an unusual, nor dance-specific, story. Um, that remindes me: "Thanks for adjudicating."

Sometimes I wonder why anyone would choose to referee or judge anything. I never seem to see much positive feedback for folks who do.

It sounds from what people say as though there's not a formal process to ask a curiosity question, except that sometimes comments will be offered in the format of a particular event, e.g. as Dancepro indicated. (As several pointed out, interactions in the context of personal relationships often have more informal communication channels.)

In case of disputes, are judges and/or their marks subject to any formal review process --perhaps more formal for national or world events?

(Not, I suppose, that the existence of a formal channel for such does or would do much to reduce temper tantrums from self-perceived victims of unfair treatment.)

[QPO]

No being a comp dancer I dont know the complete politics of it. But surely you should be able to ask without having lessons.

I have heard stories from comp dancers where I am that they have lessons with other teachers in other states, so they will be known in a comp in that state and be looked at more favorably.

I would like to think they judge you on what you can do and let you know why you came last.



it is not recommended to ask.

they have the rights to mark as they want.

most of the judges are also a teachers or coaches, so try to get in touch with specific judge and have lessons with him.

[Joe]

Huh. I don't think there is anything at all wrong in asking a judge who marked you poorly what s/he didn't like about your dancing (or what s/he did like about it if s/he was the only one who marked you well), as long as you do so in a non-confrontational manner. However, any such inquiries should be made after the competition is over. Also one should use common courtesy--if the judge is trying to get out of there to catch a ride or flight or dinner, or in conversation with someone else, leave them be.

[tangotime]

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In case of disputes, are judges and/or their marks subject to any formal review process --perhaps more formal for national or world events?




Yes..

[tangotime]

if the judge is trying to get out of there to catch a ride or flight or dinner, or in conversation with someone else, leave them be.


Thankyou !

[jjs914]

Like others have said, if my partner and I going to talk to a judge, we'll always wait until after our events or the comp are over. I don't think we've ever asked for feedback from a judge who wasn't also a teacher, though some judges who we know simply from being at the same comps for years have offered suggestions and comments without us having to ask.

Otherwise, whether or not our teacher judged, we always show him a video of our events and our marks (collegiate ones are just about always posted online). Teacher can usually make an educated guess from seeing the video why we might have had some lower marks and decide what we should work on.

[Josh]

However, any such inquiries should be made after the competition is over.

Judges are paid to judge at the competition, not after it, and may get tired of "working" after the comp is over. For one person, I'm sure no one would find it a big deal, but if many people took this same route, he/she would be answering questions about people he/she probably didn't even remember see dancing over the last few days.

It's the same thing with coachings. When the session is over, that's it. Hanging around and asking for extra information is likely to give the impression that you want something for nothing, and their expertise and experience is worth a lot, monetarily speaking. Coaches/judges who are really interested in giving extra feedback will do it voluntarily--this is when they really don't mind.

[Standarddancer]

Things in the college world are just completely different. MUCH less formal. I get college competitors asking me ALL the time why I marked them the way I did, some of the quite angry, some argue with me about why I am wrong, some just want feedback about what I thought.

They walk right up to me, email, private message me, facebook me... And I don't even know some of them, can't for the life of me remember which "girl in the red dress doing rhythm" they are. But I end up trying to accomadate and have just gotten used to the fact that that is the way it goes in the collegiate circut.

wow!!! college kids are brave!!! I can't imagine pros or amateurs in regular comp world dare to chase down a judge by pm or facebook...lol...

I agree with most of previous post - either don't do it unless you are already in the open communication such as the judges already your coach or someone you worked with before; or if that's so important to you, ask with common courtesy, ask what they think about your dancing versus just asking about the marks; if you receive mostly 1st or 2nd place and one judge mark you 6th, there might be something in your dancing they strongly dislike; they might be willing to communicate to you if you ask with courtesy and in a nonconfrontal manner.

Judges have difficult jobs too, for larges events, they might only have few seconds look at you, it might be only you out of luck when they look at you when you are not at your best or look weak, or you might be feeling you dancing well but just you are in a "strong" heat so you don't get noticed. etc. Multiple things affecting your marks.

Like Larinda said she doesn't remember some competitor in such and such heat "girl in red dress for rythm"..lol..., just because too many competitors, the judge might not even see you or notice you in a large events, if they don't notice you, they can't mark you; if they don't remember you, they can't give you feedbacks about your dancing. In this case, won't be helpful to pm or facebook to chase down a judge.

[newbie]

it is not recommended to ask.

they have the rights to mark as they want.

most of the judges are also a teachers or coaches, so try to get in touch with specific judge and have lessons with him.

But then after you take classes with them how do you know if they mark you higher because you're now a source of income for them or because they unveiled and fixed a terribly bad thing in your dancing? A terribly bad thing that all the other judges failed to notice by the way.

[Throwaway Overshare]

However, any such inquiries should be made after the competition is over.Judges are paid to judge at the competition, not after it, and may get tired of "working" after the comp is over.

No, Joe is right. The time to ask is after the competition not during it.

The NDCA rulebook even prohibits anyone except the scruitineer and chair of judges from seeing the marks until the end of the competition (usually interpreted to mean the end of the session), so asking during it should be impossible if procedures are followed.

[tanya_the_dancer]

But then after you take classes with them how do you know if they mark you higher because you're now a source of income for them or because they unveiled and fixed a terribly bad thing in your dancing? A terribly bad thing that all the other judges failed to notice by the way.

Maybe they just looked at you at the wrong moment. Or right moment, depending how you look at it. Seriously, if a judge has about a minute to sort out 6 couples, each couple maybe gets 10 seconds. If you happened to make your mistake during those 10 seconds, well, there goes your mark.

[_malakawa_]

But then after you take classes with them how do you know if they mark you higher because you're now a source of income for them or because they unveiled and fixed a terribly bad thing in your dancing? A terribly bad thing that all the other judges failed to notice by the way.

well, this is from experience. in the most of the cases i taped my competition, and i see what is wrong. and when i have a lesson with some coach or teacher i know, in some way, what is wrong. and they help me to fix it.


on one competition, one of the judges got in a really big discussion why they mark us bad (on that competition we won 2nd place) when the couple whom was first had terrible technique.

i never asked a judge why he/she marked me good/bad. it is their decision and the opinion.

first of all, to become a judge you need to have some knowledge and you need to pass exams.

i am not a judge, i had opportunity to became a judge, but i didn't want to, because i still want to compete, but i had all the books and lessons and i know what's mean to become a judge.

not only as a judge, but also as a teacher when you make some step i can tell why and how you create that movement.

in my country i know all the judges, i know them well. some of them competed with me. but i never asked them about marks.

of course that we speak, say hello, and if they want to tell me how good or bad i am, that is fine.

in dancing it is not god to have lessons only with 2,3 teacher, coaches.

especially when you are professional.

as etp777 said that his mother said hello to one of the judges and he told her how she improve her dancing, that is fine, but to ask a judge why he marked you bad is just rude.

i said before - take lessons and find out what he means. because judges are speaking together ...... some of them are very good friends, and you don't want to present yourself in a bad way.

when i am not dancing on a competition if i have time i'll go and watch.
for example, i went on a competition few weeks ago. the couple whom won first place in professional latin from me will not get the best marks.
and i have my reasons why will i mark that way. i don't care if all other judges will mark them differently.

[_malakawa_]

Maybe they just looked at you at the wrong moment. Or right moment, depending how you look at it. Seriously, if a judge has about a minute to sort out 6 couples, each couple maybe gets 10 seconds. If you happened to make your mistake during those 10 seconds, well, there goes your mark.


and this is also correct. :cool:

[LatinDancer006]

I usually don't give much weight to judges who gave me the highest and the lowest marks.

[Sunshines Partner]

I would never ask a Judge about their scores.
The only thing I ever ask, and this is normally volunteered from the Judges I know and respect, is how does my dancing look and what should I work on.

I also love talking to Judges who are not Judging the Pro heats to see how my eye is improving. I like to tell them what I see and see if they saw the same thing or what did I miss.

[Another Elizabeth]

This is interesting. It's been some time since I competed seriously, but I'd always understood that it was OK to ask about previous marks if I took a lesson with a judge (with the understanding that they might not remember). Actually, I rarely asked about how I had been dancing at a specific competition from anyone that I didn't already have a significant coaching relationship with, but I might say, "You marked us quite a bit lower than the other judges at [whatever comp]. Is there something in our dancing that you see as one of your pet peeves?" somewhere in the beginning of the lesson - but only after the coach has had a chance to see me dance there in front of them.

The ones I always hated were the coaches who would say in a lesson, "Oh, I thought you looked great last weekend - I don't know why you didn't advance further," when part of the reason you didn't advance further is that they didn't mark you. It always made me think that they thought they could just say something that would make me feel good so they wouldn't have to actually pay attention to my dancing.

[Easy]

I would go up to them with the ultimate respect. Not asking why my marks were this or my marks were that. I would ask them if they remember seeing my dancing and if they did, do they have any suggestions ;)

[samina]

I would go up to them with the ultimate respect. Not asking why my marks were this or my marks were that. I would ask them if they remember seeing my dancing and if they did, do they have any suggestions ;)

what a nice way to put it. that's the context in which i've heard discussions between pros & judges... very nice. if taken with a grain of salt at times...:cool:

[Josh]

No, Joe is right. The time to ask is after the competition not during it.

The NDCA rulebook even prohibits anyone except the scruitineer and chair of judges from seeing the marks until the end of the competition (usually interpreted to mean the end of the session), so asking during it should be impossible if procedures are followed.

If the implication is that "Josh is wrong," please find that in my posts, I did NOT say to ask a judge at any competition anything. I said that judges are paid to judge at a competition, and that's it. I don't think you should ask during, or after, except on a coaching with that judge, unless, as others have said, you are friends with him or her. It goes right along with my point that they are paid to do their job, and going beyond that is disrespectful. If you want extra advice, pay them for it, on a coaching. Sorry if I sound testy, but I want to make it clear that I in no way advocate doing anything against NDCA rules.

[fascination]

lol...I used to hear one pro who always said the only reason he checked his marks was to find the worst ones so that he could see who his next coaching would be with

[Throwaway Overshare]

If the implication is that "Josh is wrong," please find that in my posts, I did NOT say to ask a judge at any competition anything.

You responded to a post about asking after by objecting specifically to the after part, not the asking part:

Judges are paid to judge at the competition, not after it, and may get tired of "working" after the comp is over.

That really appeared to imply that it's better to ask during, rather than after, but apparently you did not mean it that way.

My belief is that a large part of why the NDCA restricts mark availability during the competition is so that it doesn't become tempting to harass the judges until after they are free to leave.

Another reason may be that the line between explaining marks, providing constructive criticism, and impromptu coaching may be a slippery slope that is easy to slide down, and it is prohibited for the judges to coach anyone during the course of the competition.

[reb]

My belief is that a large part of why the NDCA restricts mark availability during the competition is so that it doesn't become tempting to harass the judges until after they are free to leave.

If harrassment is the issue, then its a really good idea.


Another reason may be that the line between explaining marks, providing constructive criticism, and impromptu coaching may be a slippery slope that is easy to slide down, and it is prohibited for the judges to coach anyone during the course of the competition.

Sounds logical.

[avab]

Actually, it's against both NDCA and USA Dance rules to question the judges about marks during the entire competition, not just your event(s). You are never allowed to harrass a judge at any point in time, even after the competition is completed. If you do so, that judge may file a complaint against you for unsportsmanlike conduct.

The reason that marks are 'restricted', or rather only released to the competitors once the results of that event are announced, is one of equity. The finalists shouldn't be able to see their marks into the final until the final is completed, so no one can see anything until the competition is completed. This is not about preventing you from asking the judges questions.

The only way acceptable way to question a judge about marks is during a lesson. Lessons by rule are prohibited during the competition, as is coaching from the judges, as is fraternization with judges.

The few times I had questions, I would book a lesson and then I phrased them along these lines: "I notice that your marks for us are always trending in such and such a direction. Is there something that you're looking for which we am not doing, or is there something that we are doing that you would like to see us do differently?"

[Joe]

Perhaps, but often there will be judges whose (brief) opinion you would like to get, with whom you have little to no chance of ever booking a coaching with, or if there is that small chance, it may not happen til months or years later. And who the heck is gonna remember your dancing then (and by that time it may have changed since you were judged)?

[reb]

Perhaps, but often there will be judges whose (brief) opinion you would like to get, with whom you have little to no chance of ever booking a coaching with, or if there is that small chance, it may not happen til months or years later. And who the heck is gonna remember your dancing then (and by that time it may have changed since you were judged)?

:D And may be better to prepare ahead of time by asking someone of equivalent caliber to watch your entire performance from the sidelines, and/or bring a videotape to your coaching (why not with that judge?) than to expect a judge to deliver a well-formed message that's right for you, on-the-spot, unprepared - a judge who was trying to fairly evaluate all competitors and had a few seconds to catch you in mid-flight . . .

[Larinda McRaven]

That is the thing. Judging is about making quick random comparisons. Not overall evaluations.

[skwiggy]

I "grew up" in the collegiate circuit, where asking is certainly encouraged. In fact, I was always told most judges were happy to provide quick comments, provided they even remember you and the entire competition (not just your event) is over.

I would never ever challenge a judge on his/her marks. I have, however asked if he/she has any comments or remembers anything about us that sticks out in their mind. I usually approach the judges with whom I have some sort of relationship or have had some lessons. I have scheduled lessons for the purpose of getting this kind of feedback, but I have also asked on the fly.

I think maybe once I asked a judge for feedback who I didn't know and had never had a coaching with, and who based on geography I thought I likely never would have a coaching with, based on disparate marks. But I always try to make sure I am not interrupting them or holding them up in anyway. And I try to make sure that my questions are posed in a way that they understand I am not challenging them, but rather valuing their opinion.

I don't know if they were just being polite, but whenever I have asked a judge these questions they always seem happy to share and even pleased that I have approached them.

I'm frankly surprised that there is such a strong feeling about not asking judges unless it's on a lesson, and I will certainly keep that in mind for future.

[_malakawa_]

Actually, it's against both NDCA and USA Dance rules to question the judges about marks during the entire competition, not just your event(s). You are never allowed to harrass a judge at any point in time, even after the competition is completed. If you do so, that judge may file a complaint against you for unsportsmanlike conduct.

The reason that marks are 'restricted', or rather only released to the competitors once the results of that event are announced, is one of equity. The finalists shouldn't be able to see their marks into the final until the final is completed, so no one can see anything until the competition is completed. This is not about preventing you from asking the judges questions.

The only way acceptable way to question a judge about marks is during a lesson. Lessons by rule are prohibited during the competition, as is coaching from the judges, as is fraternization with judges.

The few times I had questions, I would book a lesson and then I phrased them along these lines: "I notice that your marks for us are always trending in such and such a direction. Is there something that you're looking for which we am not doing, or is there something that we are doing that you would like to see us do differently?"


finally.

:notworth:

[reb]

I may have missed if this has already been mentioned, but thinking about the other person (the judge) who is expected to live up to professional rules and standards.

Here's an excerpt from the NDCA rule book:

7. Officials (including Judges, Scrutineers, Registrars, Masters of Ceremonies, Music Directors and Organizers) are not allowed to give coaching lessons, on or off the premises, during the entire period of time commencing at 12:00 a.m. on the day of the first competitive session and concluding with the end of the last session. This does not apply to Lectures or Seminars scheduled by the organizer and open to any interested parties.

8. If officials and competitors mutually consent to discuss markings and results after the conclusion of the event, they should do so in a civil, ethical, and professional manner. Any breaches of professional conduct should be immediately reported to the NDCA.

B. JUDGES CONDUCT
1. Judges shall stand or be seated apart from one another and at such locations that they do not interfere with the competitors.

2. Judges are reminded that if they converse with any spectators, contestants or coaches, they may not discuss any competitors performance until after the close of the entire event. Failure to comply could result in disciplinary action.


Its about the other person . . .

[DanceMentor]

Thanks for posting the rules to make things clear. I learned early on to always ask a judge a question after the competition, and found some very open to discussion afterwards.

As post by Larinda early in the thread, I think it makes a lot of sense to build a relationship with a couple of judges you trust, and especially ask them. If you try to ask too many, it doesn't make any sense.

Now what can be important at times is figuring out a good way to ask a judge about consistently low marks as compared with other judges. I don't know a good way to do this, except to take a lesson, but I'm not so sure that is even worth my time.

[BasicsFirst]

That is the thing. Judging is about making quick random comparisons. Not overall evaluations.

AMEN! I'm glad to see this come from such a reputable source!!

[fascination]

lol...I actually had a judge tell me that sometimes in the morning it takes them several hours to wake up....

[_malakawa_]

lol...I actually had a judge tell me that sometimes in the morning it takes them several hours to wake up....


:nope:

i am not a judge, but i believe in that.

it is hard to be a judge, especially if you are judging beginners in the morning. :oops:

[BasicsFirst]

Oh, I believe in that... as dancers we just won't compete in the morning anymore. Not speaking for others but for us there's just no point in it. We love competing... but HATE it in the morning. I'll bet some judges wish they had that option.

[_malakawa_]

Oh, I believe in that... as dancers we just won't compete in the morning anymore. Not speaking for others but for us there's just no point in it. We love competing... but HATE it in the morning. I'll bet some judges wish they had that option.


thank god, i always competed in the afternoon when i was a kid, and later in the evening.

except if we had an IDSF competition with XY rounds, then will start to compete in the morning and we'll finish in the night. :cool:

[latingal]

As mentioned in many threads over DF history, I agree...who wants to get up and do hair and make up and warm up to compete at 7:30am in the morning....*gaaaah*

[NielsenE]

yeah why don't comps start at noon and go to ~4am. (I mean its the same number of hours as most 8-midnight type schedules)....

[and123]

I'm a night owl.... I would love that.

[Nik]

At Capital one judge marked me last in the Rising Star Latin and then 1st in the open. I'm not going to ask why but I think my dancing was most likely the same, just a very strong change on opinion for the judge.

[_malakawa_]

yeah why don't comps start at noon and go to ~4am. (I mean its the same number of hours as most 8-midnight type schedules)....


:notworth:

that will be great.

i don't know a lot of "morning birds".

one of my students wanted to book a lesson at 8:00 AM :shock:

i am not capable to teach at that time.

[chica latina]

yeah why don't comps start at noon and go to ~4am. (I mean its the same number of hours as most 8-midnight type schedules)....

I'm not sure the ones that have to dance at ~4am will be too happy !! I already dislike when it's close to midnight.. specially on a Fri that had to go up early..

[_malakawa_]

I'm not sure the ones that have to dance at ~4am will be too happy !! I already dislike when it's close to midnight.. specially on a Fri that had to go up early..


but probably those couples start to dance around 10:00 - 11:00 PM or later. ;)

[DL]

yeah why don't comps start at noon and go to ~4am. (I mean its the same number of hours as most 8-midnight type schedules)....

You might have to rethink that if I'm ever successful in my quiet campaign to adjust DST such that the sun will be directly overhead just as the work day ends.

[reb]

I'm not sure the ones that have to dance at ~4am will be too happy !! I already dislike when it's close to midnight.. specially on a Fri that had to go up early..
the 4am audience might be just as lively and awake as the 10am audiences . . . :rolleyes:

[tanya_the_dancer]

the 4am audience might be just as lively and awake as the 10am audiences . . . :rolleyes:

But then, since the pros usually dance last, it will be them who will get a sleepy audience.