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Beto
10-22-2008, 05:22 PM
New Tonya Plank article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tonya-plank/dancing-with-the-stars-ne_b_136952.html

Dancing With the Stars Needs to Do Something Other than Add Social Dances and a Non-Ballroom Judge to Spice Up the Show

Is it just me or is this the most boring season thus far of Dancing With the Stars? I don't know why either - Cody Linley and Julianne Hough's jitterbug Monday night was one of the best, most crazy fun dances I've seen ever on the show. And Cody really does epitomize the perfect contestant for this show: he's a gangly teen, enthusiastic if sometimes overly goofy, but he has youth - a youthful body and a youthful spirit of invincibility -- on his side, not to mention Julianne, who showed her strength as a choreographer this week, really pushing Cody to his limit with some difficult lifts (at one point she jumped into his arms, he immediately dropped her into a rag doll, then ran across the floor still holding her wrapped around his waist and now knocking him on the head) and giving him a great businessman-who-needs-to-let-loose character role.

The show's producers seem to know enthusiasm is waning and are trying to spice things up. This week they tried adding American social dances. Next week, they're temporarily replacing Len Goodman, the judge who seems to have the strongest ballroom background, with guest judge Michael Flatley, an Irish step dancer, and an extraordinary one, but who to my knowledge, has no ballroom background.

It was interesting to see what the contestants and professional dancers could do with a different set of dances (many of the latter struggled, or pretended to anyway, with dances they weren't used to teaching), but these dances - hustle, salsa, west coast swing, and jitterbug - are all social; they're either danced only in the United States, in the past (hustle is disco-era and jitterbug fifties), or vary considerably by region (New York-style salsa is different from LA-style, is different from Cuban is different from Puerto Rico, etc.). The wonderful thing about International-style dances is that they are danced at competitions all over the world. You can go to Germany or Japan or Russia, and connect with people whose language you can't speak through your common knowledge of the steps, your common love of the ballroom world, of this unique form of movement and partnership. Ballroom is hugely popular in much of Europe and Asia, and participating in this kind of social sport makes the U.S. all that less insular. So, I hope the social dances were just a one-week aberration.

I'm not completely sure why this season is so lackluster but I think it's partly because there's too little dancing and too much talking. Who wants to see Cody's high school principal tell him to behave and listen to Julianne? Who cares to see contestants' family members giving encouragement? It's nice to know it's there and all, but for the most part it's boring. And most of the time that the contestants spend speaking with Samantha after their performance is wasted; nothing interesting comes out. I frequently find myself rolling my hands at the TV, saying, "c'mon, let's move this along, let's get this show on the road."

Since, unlike So You Think You Can Dance, the amateur contestants, many with full-time-plus day jobs -- can't be expected to do more than one dance per show, perhaps they could showcase more professional dancers - both ballroom and beyond. There are some excellent ballroom dancers who've never been on the show before: Slavik Kryklyvyy and Hanna Karttunen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctE7-tNCOF4), Riccardo Cocchi and Yulia Zagoruychenko (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN5fxp69bbE)... And with their similarity to ballroom, ballet and modern dance - particularly works by choreographers like Twyla Tharp and Jerome Robbins who created ballroom-y ballets - would appeal to the DWTS crowd. I'm sure audiences would savor seeing some of the current greats (for example, Marcelo Gomes (http://www.abt.org/dancers/detail.asp?Dancer_ID=26) and Misty Copeland (http://www.abt.org/dancers/detail.asp?Dancer_ID=56) - the ballerina of the future) perform Tharp's Sinatra Suite (go here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAIsFF11nOc) and here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJC677BNKJw&feature=related) to see Baryshnikov do parts of that) or portions of Deuce Coupe or Robbins's Other Dances or Alvin Ailey's jazzy Pas de Duke (go here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1t2JC_p4XE) for a video clip). Or Mimulus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2RTUatEPKA), a sweet Brazilian troupe who combine social Latin with modern. Or Keigwin and Company (http://www.larrykeigwin.com/) with their uniquely witty humor. There are a ridiculous number of excellent companies and dancers and choreographers this audience would be into; the list is endless. This is a show celebrating dance, after all, not idle chatter.

waltzgirl
10-22-2008, 05:32 PM
I'm not watching it at all this season. Partly because I'm pretty busy, but also because I'm bored. But that happens to me with all "reality" shows. From year to year, the "plot" of the show and even the character types are the same, so once I've seen one or two seasons, it just seems repetitious to me. I've lasted longer with DWTS than any other reality show, but I seem to have reached my limit.

_malakawa_
10-22-2008, 05:36 PM
The show's producers seem to know enthusiasm is waning and are trying to spice things up. This week they tried adding American social dances. Next week, they're temporarily replacing Len Goodman, the judge who seems to have the strongest ballroom background, with guest judge Michael Flatley, an Irish step dancer, and an extraordinary one, but who to my knowledge, has no ballroom background.

The wonderful thing about International-style dances is that they are danced at competitions all over the world. You can go to Germany or Japan or Russia, and connect with people whose language you can't speak through your common knowledge of the steps, your common love of the ballroom world, of this unique form of movement and partnership.


because of this (I made it bold) I send you a huge kiss. :kissme: :notworth:

I am not watching every time, because I am teaching. But I can say that it is boring. And I think that to days in a roll is to much. The quality is going down. They don't have time to practice.

Why they want to replace Goodman?? What Flatley knows about ballroom dancing. Or they will start to dance irish step in the show??? :confused:

wooh
10-22-2008, 05:56 PM
They've pushed their ratings juggernaut to the limit. They extend the show as long as possible to as many days as possible with as many seasons as possible to get the most commercials possible. And because of that, instead of having a lasting popular series, they're going to have a couple years of a lot of money then a quick fizzle out. (Whole goose/golden egg thing.)

Cut it down to an hour on performance night and 30 minutes on results night. 30 minutes is plenty of time to have a song and dance by the pros, and the results. We don't need tons of recaps, and we sure don't need tons of Samantha Harris.

Mostly Ballroom
10-22-2008, 07:19 PM
And here I'm actually watching it this season. I usually don't.

Stillharbor
10-22-2008, 08:23 PM
I am a little disgusted by this season. I like what some of the older contestants bring to the show but that old lady HAS to go. (I haven't even bothered to learn her name.) I can understand being easy on an older person in certain dances, BUT this is ridiculous!!! :confused: She turned me off the first night with drama (play or not) with the judges.

TAK
10-22-2008, 08:28 PM
I think the "Dancing Through The Decades" thing last night on the results show was a prime example of why this season feels so boring. They are trying to hype everything up A LOT and then it just ends up feeling like a letdown. Like the new dances? Michael Flatley? OmG cRaZiEst SeAsoN eVarRrR!!!! ...and then it's not really that big a deal. I feel like they're trying to FORCE me to like it. Bleh.

Also, have you noticed that all the talking on the show seems to be scripted? All the interview segments and everything...I don't think this was always the case. The interesting thing is hearing what the stars and dancers are actually going through, not some cheesy made-up drama.

ChaChaMama
10-22-2008, 09:09 PM
I would say NO, not the most boring season.

It is BALLROOM. It is on MAINSTREAM television. Not PBS or CN8, but ABC. My NON-ballroom friends talk about the show all the time and have strong opinions about it. So there are no "boring" seasons! That's just too harsh a word. (Also, this is the only show I've watched on TV this fall other than the presidential and vice-presidential debates, so I have some investment in it.)

I will agree that some seasons are slightly less interesting than others because one contestant runs away with it from Day 1. By that criterion, I would say that Season 6 (the Mark Ballas-Kristi Yamaguchi season) was probably the least interesting. Seasons 3 (The Emmitt Smith-Cheryl Burke vs. Mario Lopez-Karina Smirnoff season), 4 (the Apolo Anton Ohno-Julianne Hough vs. Joey Fatone-Kym Johnson vs. Maksim Chmerkovskiy-Laila Ali season), and 5 (Helio Castronoves-Julianne Hough vs. Maksim Chmerkovskiy-Mel B. season) were the best, because you really couldn't tell.

This season, while Brooke Burke has been in the lead, I feel like Warren Sapp has been giving her a run for her money and is just so appealing that you can't count him out. Maurice is also a real contender, and I would have said Toni Braxton as well until this week. Now she's gone, but Cody's really stepped up. I feel like it's a horse race.

You have to DVR it and then skip over most of Samantha's bits...though I did like Cloris explaining that Corky had told her to behave like a skanky ho. The most painful interviews are the ones where Samantha interviews people after they have been saved and asks them if they are happy, or people who have not yet been saved and asks them if they are nervous. It shows the remarkable sportsmanship of the stars that they don't just grab the mike and go "DUH!" Maybe that's in their contracts: "No yelling 'DUH!' at Samantha!"

Mostly Ballroom
10-22-2008, 09:14 PM
You have to DVR it and then skip over most of Samantha's bits...
lol,...

wooh
10-22-2008, 09:18 PM
I think the "Dancing Through The Decades" thing last night on the results show was a prime example of why this season feels so boring. They are trying to hype everything up A LOT and then it just ends up feeling like a letdown. Like the new dances? Michael Flatley? OmG cRaZiEst SeAsoN eVarRrR!!!! ...and then it's not really that big a deal. I feel like they're trying to FORCE me to like it. Bleh.


Yeah, if they just let the show be the show that it is, instead of the MOST DRAMATIC 5 HOURS OF TELEVISION EACH WEEK, then it would be good. Instead it's, "Well that really wasn't a big deal." I totally agree on the Through the Decades thing. The preview showing the set design was more interesting than the dancing. The judges scores are so arbitrary, it just really doesn't matter. The FOUR NEVER BEFORE DONE DANCES ended up being 4 dances that were just as badly done as the dances they always do. It's turned into a movie that all the good parts are shown during the previews, so the movie ends up being a total let-down. Maybe we just need a drinking game for the show. Everytime they tease something "coming up," take a drink. By the first commercial, we'll be drunk enough the rest of the show will be more entertaining.

wooh
10-22-2008, 09:22 PM
Maybe that's in their contracts: "No yelling 'DUH!' at Samantha!"

That's why I haven't been on DWTS yet. Even though I'm arguably as famous as some of the "stars" on there, the producers know they can't make me sign a contract promising that.
I have to agree though, FF with the tivo makes it a much more palatable show.
And I agree that it does bring ballroom to the masses. Which is why I watch, even though it's sooooo annoying at times. So I can do my duty as a ballroom ambassador to the community.:)

Mostly Ballroom
10-22-2008, 09:22 PM
Yeah, if they just let the show be the show that it is, instead of the MOST DRAMATIC 5 HOURS OF TELEVISION EACH WEEK, then it would be good. Instead it's, "Well that really wasn't a big deal." I totally agree on the Through the Decades thing. The preview showing the set design was more interesting than the dancing. The judges scores are so arbitrary, it just really doesn't matter. The FOUR NEVER BEFORE DONE DANCES ended up being 4 dances that were just as badly done as the dances they always do. It's turned into a movie that all the good parts are shown during the previews, so the movie ends up being a total let-down. Maybe we just need a drinking game for the show. Everytime they tease something "coming up," take a drink. By the first commercial, we'll be drunk enough the rest of the show will be more entertaining.
I watch it about every third time I guess. I enjoy the same things over and over. Len upset about something too skanky. Then being kidded about it by Tom and Len smiles. Yeah that's probably written in. I get my favorites and root for them. It works for me every third time or so.

Fubarahh
10-23-2008, 01:40 AM
I am a little disgusted by this season. I like what some of the older contestants bring to the show but that old lady HAS to go. (I haven't even bothered to learn her name.) I can understand being easy on an older person in certain dances, BUT this is ridiculous!!! :confused: She turned me off the first night with drama (play or not) with the judges.
I couldn't agree more. And her name is Cloris Leachman, but she's a much better actress than dancer. Come on fans, let her GO!

Joe
10-23-2008, 07:01 AM
You have to DVR it
Ha! There's no other way to watch DWTS! Actually, there's no other way to watch TV. :)

nucat78
10-23-2008, 09:02 AM
I'm not watching it at all this season. Partly because I'm pretty busy, but also because I'm bored.

I'm with you, WG. DWTS is the only reality show I've ever watched, but I just don't feel like it's worth my time right now.

I might watch Susan Lucci perform on abc.com sometime.

Vince A
10-23-2008, 12:05 PM
One thing about the DWTS show . . . it's taught me to watch other channels . . . now I'm hooked on "The Mentalist." Turned back to watch WCS . . . only to see (hear) the judges dumb comments . . . I wasn't diappointed!

Kassia
10-23-2008, 02:31 PM
I think the "Dancing Through The Decades" thing last night on the results show was a prime example of why this season feels so boring. They are trying to hype everything up A LOT and then it just ends up feeling like a letdown. Like the new dances? Michael Flatley? OmG cRaZiEst SeAsoN eVarRrR!!!! ...and then it's not really that big a deal. I feel like they're trying to FORCE me to like it. Bleh.

Also, have you noticed that all the talking on the show seems to be scripted? All the interview segments and everything...I don't think this was always the case. The interesting thing is hearing what the stars and dancers are actually going through, not some cheesy made-up drama.


Maybe it's like movies with sequels.. I haven't watched all the years of DWTS but i did start watching it about the time Emmett Smitth won with Cheryl Burke..l. Yeah for the foot ball players.. They got some pretty good dancers in the NFL... Perhaps they should invite a very Canadian stars and atheletes to join in.. But with that being said every year is different with different people..
But as a series moves along, or a series of movies, you know more and more what to expect... And sometimes it gets tedious...
The best James Bond movie, imho, is Dr No.. The first and the original..
The first Indian Jones, the First Star Wars, the original Star Trek, etc..
Sometimes it's best to let a series go while the party is good.. While the ratings are still high.. Keeping it alive too long can be a death sentance..
While it'd love to see more years of DWTS i do think it's days are numbered just for those reasons.. What more can they do? Who else can they invite that is new and exciting..
My dh is fond of this saying, It's best to leave when the party's still good.

wooh
10-23-2008, 03:07 PM
The best James Bond movie, imho, is Dr No.. The first and the original..
The first Indian Jones, the First Star Wars, the original Star Trek, etc..


Disagree, Empire Strikes Back is the best of the Star Wars movies.:)

Beto
10-23-2008, 03:34 PM
Disagree, Empire Strikes Back is the best of the Star Wars movies.:)
Agreed. :D

Kassia
10-23-2008, 03:53 PM
Disagree, Empire Strikes Back is the best of the Star Wars movies.:)

Hmmmm as a friend of mine is fond of saying, That's why there are different flavours of ice cream...

wooh
10-23-2008, 03:57 PM
Agreed. :D

Now if I can just get to agree with me on Sammy Hagar and Van Halen.;)

Beto
10-23-2008, 04:06 PM
Now if I can just get to agree with me on Sammy Hagar and Van Halen.;)
You *might* be able to sway me on that one. Sammy did have a *few* good songs with Van Hagar but Diamond Dave's string of hits is hard to compete against. ;)