Dirty dancing? Or just an excuse to feel each other up?

[Monsour]

I was dancing in a club recently when a bunch of people started engaging in dirty dancing....Do you really think this is a valid form of dancing or do you just think its an excuse for two people to rub there genitals up and down each other.....to music...

whats your thoughts ....

[ShyDancer]

It depends alot on how the dance is carried out.

I recently watched a few couples dance out a a club, most of them could make the dance look very appealing, but there was one guy who took it that bit to far and it was disgusting to watch. I really felt sorry for the poor girl he was dancing with.

Mostly it looks really sexy, there are classes here ( www.lebop.com.au ) that teach it... Im just not brave enough to try it yet!

[Genesius Redux]

Not having seen--I don't know. I'm not sure it's my job to validate anyone's dancing. There are some things I consider tastefully risque and some I just think of as vulgar. But as long as both partners are okay with it, I don't see anything wrong--vulgar or not.

[Sabor]

its not what is done that matters.. its more of how its done, by whom and in what circumstances.

[Sagitta]

its not what is done that matters.. its more of how its done, by whom and in what circumstances.


Very true sabor, GR....

[pelao]

I think its both. Why not do two things you like! haha

[pygmalion]

:lol: :lol: Good point, pelao. 8)

[d nice]

"Dirty Dancing" has been around for a very long time... the idea of dancing in a socially risque manner has been found in most modern cultures. The vienesse waltz was a "Dirty dance". An "embrace posture"? One partner a whole song? Shamefull.

Its all about how something is done. IF it is danced specificallty as a means of psuedo sexual gratification then I'd say there is little art to it. Even stripping/burlesque has a definite artistic side available if one chooses to embrace it.

I blues dance a lot, it is certainly a "dirty dance" if you choose to make it that way... but that does not diminish the amoutn of technqiue or ability to emote and express in an artistic format.

[pygmalion]

Artistic? I don't know. What I do know is that some of my ballroom friends definitely label my automatic and preferred style of freestyle dancing as "dirty dancing." And I couldn't care less what they think. There's no sexual intent on my part. Just some authentic expression of one or two facets of my personality. Onlookers can interpret it however they want. *shrug*

[mellody43]

I'm with Sabor and D Nice. It's all about context and people involved. I do think there is a level of appropriateness (which varies by venue) which sometimes gets crossed. For example, what is appropriate at my favorite salsa club during a sexy merengue really isn't appropriate at most weddings. :-)

[mellody43]

Pygmalion, I agree with you here. It's so subjective. What's raunchy to me may be perfectly acceptable to, well, I dunno, Snoop Dogg. :-)

[pygmalion]

Good point, mellody43.

Somehow, I don't think I'll be doing any dirty dancing at my family reunion this July. ... But I may do some at the club this Saturday... depending on who I'm dancing with. :wink:

[pygmalion]

Pygmalion, I agree with you here. It's so subjective. What's raunchy to me may be perfectly acceptable to, well, I dunno, Snoop Dogg. :-)

Hehe! :lol: :lol:

[Genesius Redux]

"Dirty Dancing" has been around for a very long time... the idea of dancing in a socially risque manner has been found in most modern cultures. The vienesse waltz was a "Dirty dance". An "embrace posture"? One partner a whole song? Shamefull.

Bingo. And Beethoven was like a rock star--keep your children away from that sort of music, raised too many dangerous passions! Even something as kitschy as the Twist--I've seen newsreels about the Twist that look like "Reefer Madness"!

If people are okay with what they're doing together, and they're not breaking any laws--then I say leave em alone!

[natasha]

I've seen lots of people do "dirty dancing" at clubs and I really don't think there's much artistic intent behind it. It's fun and erotic for the people doing it, but mildly disgusting for onlookers like me. Of course there's probably people who look at that and think "man, I wish that was me in the middle of those five girls" but that's just a horny response to the erotic nature of the dance.

I think that sort of dancing is ok in public places, but should be kept kind of low. My fiance and I call it the "mating dance" because that's what it looks like and that kind of stuff is none of my business. So yea, I'd prefer to not see it, but I understand that people will do it no matter what and that doesn't bother me much.

[mellody43]

Natasha -- LOL at your "mating dance".

I agree that big lineups of 5-6 people grinding about isn't really that funny or appealing. Unless I'm one of them. (Just kidding).

But I do like a little bit of small/sexy moves with a partner I'm very comfortable with. Nobody else may even notice. Then it's like a little secret, and adds to the fun.

[delamusica]

I've seen lots of people do "dirty dancing" at clubs and I really don't think there's much artistic intent behind it. It's fun and erotic for the people doing it, but mildly disgusting for onlookers like me.

Two words, then: don't look!

We could go on and on and on in this thread . . . They have the right to do it and not be bothered . . . We have the right to go and dance without seeing it . . . etc etc. But as far as I'm concerned, a club is one of the very, very few places where behaviour like that is acceptable - so let them do it there, and don't complain - there are plenty of studio dances, USABDA dances, and more upscale clubs where there is more "sophisticated" dancing to look at.

[Monsour]

Do it in a club.....or do it in a room?

[natasha]

I wasn't saying they shouldn't do it. I know I can just look away, and I do. I don't think that was really the point. Whether I look or not, I'm still aware of what's going on, so I still have my own opinions about it. But I'm not going to push them on the people doing the dancing. They're having fun and that's what's important in a club - that's what we're all there for!

[Monsour]

Do you think if a guy feels up the chick in the middle of the club it goes past the point.......

[Genesius Redux]

Do you think if a guy feels up the chick in the middle of the club it goes past the point.......

How about if we make them sew a big scarlet A on their butts? 8) :lol: :wink:

"The Inquisition!
(What a show)
The Inquisition!
(Here we go)
We got a mission...."

[pygmalion]

Do you think if a guy feels up the chick in the middle of the club it goes past the point.......

Actually, I'm not sure how this works with complete strangers. My SO knows how far to go in public. And the handful of friends I do dirty dancing with either know me well enough not to go there, or are gay, so it's a non-issue.

That said, I don't know a single woman who isn't capable of signaling when she's getting uncomfortable. I wouldn't worry about it getting past "the point," Monsour. Either the lady is willing, in which case there is no problem. Or, she'll let you know when to stop long before "the point," in which case there is no problem. 8)

[d nice]

Dance serves many different purposes, religious, social, artistic, attraction, health...

What may not seem artistic to one person can be very much so to another.

When dance is used as an attractor, part of the mating ritual, it should be sensual, there will be a level of intamacy that some people depending on their own level of comfortablness with their sexuality may find entertaining, arousing, or distasteful (no judgements here, your personal preferences are every bit as valid as mine, regardless of whether I think your tastes are scandalous or prudish). As long as nothing illegal or against club policy is going on any issues are mine not the couples.

As to whether or not groping is appropriate... as a general rule groping in public should be avoided outside of specific environments where it is accepted by the establishment. It goes from sexual tension to forplay. At that point leaving the club is probably in everyone's best interest.

[etchuck]

Somehow, I don't think I'll be doing any dirty dancing at my family reunion this July. ... But I may do some at the club this Saturday... depending on who I'm dancing with. :wink:

Obviously I don't know your family, but certainly dirty-dancing with a cousin... bad idea. 8)

[pygmalion]

LOL. Eww! What a gross thought.

Actually, my family reunions are HUGE. Third, fourth, fifth cousins. No exaggeration. So, from American standards, a lot of the people there would be relatives of mine only by a huge stretch of the imagination. It's the suggestive dancing with my elderly great-aunts present that I would find ... embarrassing. :oops: :lol:

[etchuck]

It's the suggestive dancing with my elderly great-aunts present that I would find ... embarrassing. :oops: :lol:

Actually, I would find that potential grounds for blackmail. 8)

[Genesius Redux]

In Tennessee, we can have kissin cousins. :wink:

[pygmalion]

In Tennessee, we can have kissin cousins. :wink:

Silly man! I actually went to a reunion where I got "approached" by a gentleman who turned out to be my first cousin, once removed. :shock: Too close for comfort. I still count those as relatives. :?

[pygmalion]

What may not seem artistic to one person can be very much so to another.

I agree, dnice. I wasn't talking in general. I was talking my own dancing, which is fun, spicy, sensual, and lots of other things. Just not artistic, IMHO. :oops: I aspire to that, one day. 8)

As to whether or not groping is appropriate... as a general rule groping in public should be avoided outside of specific environments where it is accepted by the establishment. It goes from sexual tension to forplay. At that point leaving the club is probably in everyone's best interest.

Absolutely. There's nothing more disgusting than a couple that doesn't know when to leave the club and "get a room." Yuck! :evil:

[jon]

As to whether or not groping is appropriate... as a general rule groping in public should be avoided outside of specific environments where it is accepted by the establishment.

I do kinda wistfully remember back to the days when rec.arts.dance was invaded by the regulars of alt.sex.strip-clubs. Much fun was had. Perhaps not by the more uptight r.a.d members though.

It goes from sexual tension to forplay. At that point leaving the club is probably in everyone's best interest.

Foreplay nothing. After Mt. Magic in Tahoe last fall, a bunch of us retired to the casino lounge for a little more dancing. Along comes some random couple who, um, well they weren't swing dancers, for sure. I don't believe I've ever heard of that particular act being performed with clothes on in public before.

Meanwhile the event organizer was doing some combination of modern dance and WCS and crawling around on the floor and lifts with her partner. Don't know quite how to describe it but they were dancing sexy, funny as hell, and not indecently. Much more interesting. Watching them was kinda the high point of the weekend for me, actually.

[pygmalion]

jon, your dry sense of humor cracks me up! :lol:

[Sagitta]

Not sure what's going on with you guys but dancing with cousins is the safest sort of dancing. No way it can be mistaken for anything but what it is - dancing!! Isn't that the best kind?

[NeoDevin]

Not sure what's going on with you guys but dancing with cousins is the safest sort of dancing. No way it can be mistaken for anything but what it is - dancing!! Isn't that the best kind?

That depends what you're looking for at the end of the night...

[pygmalion]

Can you say "one track mind?" :tongue: :wink: :lol:

[SDsalsaguy]

Can you say "one track mind?" :tongue: :wink: :lol:
Yup..."Devin." See? :wink: :lol:

[pygmalion]

There's another good thread to reference here: "I Have No Idea How to Dance." check it out. :D

[Monsour]

pygmalion

Your dry sense of humour has made this thread somewhat comical