Almagro Style

[opendoor]

As far as I have read the term Villa Urquiza Style is related to the article of Irene and Laura (http://www.neymelo.com/tangostyles.htm) in 1999. In this article we can read of the Almagro style as well.

Was it a reaktion on the new brand Milonguero, a term which was formerly used for either style, Salón and Milonguero?

[tangonuevo]

...Almagro style as well.

Was it a reaktion on the new brand Milonguero, a term which was formerly used for either style, Salón and Milonguero?

Both VU & Almagro have been around for dozens of years. What helped define styles back in the day, long before Susan Miller started calling what she teaches "Milonguero", was, in part, the space available for the dancers. In downtown, floors were crowded. People danced with short choppy steps, lots of pauses waiting for the space ahead to clear, etc. What many people in the US refer to as "social tango". In the burbs, (VU for example) there was more room and it seemed a bit silly to get out on a large spacious floor and pretend that it was a postage stamp. Graceful, elegant more open with the posibility of longer steps, etc. The VU style admits of _many_ more possibilities than Almagro, and is a significant portion of the basis for "nuevo". Essentially everything that you see nuevo dancers do was a part of some classic BsAs tango style, and much of the bigger stuff was part of the VU style.

[bastet]

As far as I have read the term Villa Urquiza Style is related to the article of Irene and Laura (http://www.neymelo.com/tangostyles.htm) in 1999. In this article we can read of the Almagro style as well.

Was it a reaktion on the new brand Milonguero, a term which was formerly used for either style, Salón and Milonguero?

I've read that article and a few others. Mostly they seem to point out that it is just another name for what we call Milonguero or Close Embrace in America. It didn't appear from anything I read that it was amn actual stylistic variation on Milonguero. And I have read over and over again how the Argentine's don't call Milonguero "Milonguero" anyway...usually they call everything Salon, or other times call that particular variation with the flat on chest to chest style 'Confiteria Style' because you danced it in the crowded places and had to dance with smaller steps and concentrate on rhythmic variation instead of figures.

[Angel HI]

Essentially everything that you see nuevo dancers do was a part of some classic BsAs tango style, and much of the bigger stuff was part of the VU style.

Is this and your post from another thread, a contradiction, or am I misreading?

The VU that I know is upright, precise and outstandingly elegant. It needn't comprise complex figures - just the elegance and precision.

[newbie]

To my knowledge Almagro used to be a famous milonga in BsAs, today disappeared.
"Where the best dancers were going and the best social tango was danced, the best floorcraft, no one trying to impress the others with fancy moves." (Heard at Gricel when sitting near Nito & Elba's table).

I did not know that there was a coined Almagro style, but then why not a Flores, Parque Patricios, or Boedo style after all.

Or is it marketing again and its ugly head?

[opendoor]

.. Almagro used to be a famous milonga in BsAs, today disappeared. ..

Do you know more about the place, the street, and the milonga? And, does Almagro refer to the Villa Almagro barrio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almagro,_Buenos_Aires) of BsAs or has there been a special Club Almagro (not the football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_Almagro) club :p Almagro).

[bastet]

To my knowledge Almagro used to be a famous milonga in BsAs, today disappeared.
"Where the best dancers were going and the best social tango was danced, the best floorcraft, no one trying to impress the others with fancy moves." (Heard at Gricel when sitting near Nito & Elba's table).

I did not know that there was a coined Almagro style, but then why not a Flores, Parque Patricios, or Boedo style after all.

Or is it marketing again and its ugly head?


I don't think it's marketing. Club Almagro is no longer open. Remember the essay was written in 1999 (nearly 10 years old now), at a time when mostly what was still being exported abroad was showier tango and what some refer to now as social tango (the flat on close embrace) was still mostly unknown abroad. People just use names they probably hear or make up themselves, and another case of there being several names for something that is the same as something else...mordida, sandwich, etc...potato potatoe...

[tangonuevo]

Is this and your post from another thread, a contradiction, or am I misreading?

No. Nuevo Tango is outstandingly precise and has much of its origins in "Traditional Salon", perhaps better referred to as VU as I mentioned in my post in that other thread. Some of the excellent Argentinian practitioners of Nuevo insist that students first learn the "Traditional Salon" (VU style) since the precision, elegance and connection qualities of that style form the basis for nuevo. It is always my personal goal that my nuevo dancing retain that precision and elegance. I can not help it if there are those who dance in a sloppy, messy manner and refer to what they are doing as "nuevo". Bad tango is simply bad tango.

[Angel HI]

Remember the essay was written in 1999 (nearly 10 years old now), at a time when mostly what was still being exported abroad was showier tango and what some refer to now as social tango (the flat on close embrace) was still mostly unknown abroad. People just use names they probably hear or make up themselves, and another case of there being several names for something that is the same as something else...mordida, sandwich, etc...potato potatoe...

This sums it all up, nicely. This post needs to be pasted to a couple of other threads.

[Angel HI]

No. Nuevo Tango is outstandingly precise and has much of its origins in "Traditional Salon", perhaps better referred to as VU as I mentioned in my post in that other thread. Some of the excellent Argentinian practitioners of Nuevo insist that students first learn the "Traditional Salon" (VU style) since the precision, elegance and connection qualities of that style form the basis for nuevo.

Understood.

[opendoor]

.. Nuevo Tango .. has much of its origins in "Traditional Salon" .. Some of the excellent Argentinian practitioners of Nuevo insist that students first learn the "Traditional Salon" (VU style) since the precision, elegance and connection qualities of that style form the basis for nuevo.

Hi tangonuevo:

if you mean Neo I would agree, if you mean Nuevo, I don´t. The former stems from Salón style, the latter comes up from the stage or Fantasia styles, I believe anyway?

[Angel HI]

if you mean Neo I would agree, if you mean Nuevo, I don´t. The former stems from Salón style, the latter comes up from the stage or Fantasia styles, I believe anyway?

Again, case in point about the outside of Argentina labeling of styles. If we continue to try to name every differing nuance a new style, we will eventually destroy the dance as a whole. I am not suggesting that this is what you are doing. It is my understanding that neo really refers to music and not to dance (only perhaps so by extension but not as 'a style').

[newbie]

the latter comes up from the stage or Fantasia styles, I believe anyway?

No it doesn't.

[opendoor]

"El Pibe Sarandi" will come to Hamburg the next days. Has someone of you worked with him?

By the way, typing "El Pibe" and "Milonguero" you will get a lot of hits at google, typing "El Pibe" and "Almagro" none. What makes the difference?

[Angel HI]

"El Pibe Sarandi" will come to Hamburg the next days. Has someone of you worked with him?

By the way, typing "El Pibe" and "Milonguero" you will get a lot of hits at google, typing "El Pibe" and "Almagro" none. What makes the difference?

You say ni-ther...I say nai-ther................ :confused: Didn't someone write a song about this? :)