Analogy of your salsa style

[salsachinita]

Something Pacion wrote in an older thread, "Types of Salsa" stayed on my mind.

......"afro cuban" styling which is also termed as "earthy"......... The LA style is more "up in the air" ie. lots of hand styling rather than body styling.........

As in Astrology, we are able to place elements with character traits. Are we able to use the same type of analogies to discribe salsa styles....?

This is my take:
Cuban/Afro Cuban: Earth (lower centre of gravity, more 'grounded' movements)
L.A. & related: Air (higher centre of gravity, more 'up'styling)
NY & related: Water (super smooth & continous, 'cool' rather than 'hot')
Colombian/Latino Old-school : Fire (grounded yet surprisingly forceful when it needs to be, more 'momentum' based, 'flickes' like flames, 'hot' rather than 'cool')

Of course, like all things, the above do mix & change, while taking on multiple elements 8) . That's why salsa is so much fun!

How would you describe your own salsa style (we are talking personal style rather than main styles), using analogies....?

*I believe a few of us (myself included) are not 100% sure how to put a name to our personal style, that's why this thread might be fun :wink: *

[squirrel]

hmmm... never thought actually about how to define my style... maybe it's better to let others define it...
edie the salsa freak said it doesn't matter how you feel like, it's what you look like that's important...
if i were to define my style, i would say it is rather harsh, brusc, not really feminine... just like my personality... i am working on smoothing it, but it is very difficult... my true self keeps popping up! :roll:

[salsachinita]

edie the salsa freak said it doesn't matter how you feel like, it's what you look like that's important...

:? Edie said that...? Hmmmm.......I'd have to disagree :( .

[squirrel]

:)) yes she did... somewhere on her site!

I don't know... I think she meant how well you dance, not if you're attractive... she was saying something about the fact that in LA it is important if you can dance, and guys prefer to dance with women who look like housewives but are great dancers than with those who are gorgeous, but lousy dancers!

[salsachinita]

Thanks for clarifying. I certainly remember her saying that & agreed with her 100% there. She was talking about body image vs. dancing ability.

[salsachinita]

Now, boys & girls, back to the topic 8) !

This thread is meant to be fun.....! So that we can get a little mental picture of our members' salsa presence :P ...........

[borikensalsero]

God describe my style.
A guy once told me that I look like Chayane and Robi Draco dancing salsa. But that I manage to come across sexier, and smoother than them. I personally don't think that Chayane can dance, and have never seen Robi Draco dance, but when he saw my reaction, he went on to clarify that they are two of the better dancers his seen. He also went on to point out what he considered as "good".

To me he didn't know what he was looking at, nor talking about, for if he compared me to Chayane, and I don't think he can dance... that can only mean that I can't dance in my own eyes.

I see my style as a earthy, picturesque kind of style.

[Sagitta]

Now, boys & girls, back to the topic 8) !

This thread is meant to be fun.....! So that we can get a little mental picture of our members' salsa presence :P ...........

Oh, no!~! :oops: Check back with me in a year and perhaps I'll be able to cobble together a few words. To be honest I'm still experimenting. I go through phases...when I'm settled down I'll let you know. I just started in August. I cannot see how I have a dance style yet. :? Oh, this is so embarassing! :oops:

[MacMoto]

This is a hard question to answer, because I've never seen myself dance (no videotaping -- I'd run a mile!) and don't know what I look like. Maybe I should ask what other people think... I do have an idea of a style I'd like to achieve (hot rather than cool, intense but fun), but I don't think I've got it yet.

[mellody43]

Hm -- I haven't seen myself dance (and am scared to, in fact!) --- I also would not be able to tell the difference between LA style and NY style if I were at gunpoint so --

I would say that my style is sort of smooth and sexy, not rushed (I try to sink into every beat even if the song is fast);

I don't make big moves, so I have a fairly controlled style;

I am not flamboyant, so that is probably "cool" ... though I can wiggle down with the best of them on a merengue (reminds me of the "dirty dancing" thread!) so perhaps that would kick me up to "hot"!

Others have told me I have a sexy style -- I think it is more from a restrained playful quality and type of movement rather than range of movement and over-the-top moves.

Melissa

[tj]

I don't have an analogy, but if you want a word, I'd use "playful".

[youngsta]

I've been told my style is very fluid and smooth, and the my hips move unlike most men (don't know how to take that one! :D ) I've never seen myself on video so I couldn't give you my own critique.

[mellody43]

Youngsta, just looking at your avatar I can tell ... you are a SASSY dancer. :lol:

[youngsta]

Youngsta, just looking at your avatar I can tell ... you are a SASSY dancer. :lol:
Why thank you! :lol:

[SDsalsaguy]

Hmmm, so should we start calling him "Sassy Hips"? :lol:

[salsachinita]

"Could I have the next salsa please, Sassy Hips?"

:P

[youngsta]

That is SO wrong! :lol: :lol:

[Sabor]

:lol:

[tj]

That is SO wrong! :lol: :lol:

So when a stranger approaches you at D Note in a few weeks and calls you, "Sassy Hips", you'll know it's me!

Lol!

[mellody43]

*BWAAAAA* Sassy hips. Sassy hips. Now I can't stop saying it.

*skips around singing 'sassy hips'*
Melissa

[youngsta]

So when a stranger approaches you at D Note in a few weeks and calls you, "Sassy Hips", you'll know it's me!

Lol!
Don't do that man...it might catch on :shock: :lol:

[mellody43]

*little gleeful clap*

Look what I started.

;-)

[tj]

So when a stranger approaches you at D Note in a few weeks and calls you, "Sassy Hips", you'll know it's me!

Lol!
Don't do that man...it might catch on :shock: :lol:

Lol! Just teasing!

I went on a small trip with some friends over the weekend, and one of the gals was making nicknames for all of us... some more embarrassing than others. :shock:

[tj]

*little gleeful clap*

Look what I started.

;-)

Evil! :twisted:

(I like it...)

[SDsalsaguy]

*little gleeful clap*

Look what I started.

;-)
Hey now, don't you go hogging all the credit... :wink:

[youngsta]

And no I am NOT changing my forum name to Sassy Hips! :P :P

[SDsalsaguy]

And no I am NOT changing my forum name to Sassy Hips! :P :P
Oooooo, I hadn't even thought of that yet... what a great idea youngs, err, I mean Sassy Hips! :P

[mellody43]

Hey now, don't you go hogging all the credit... :wink:

Well, I did dub him "sassy" first. =) heh!

Now he's going to have trouble living up to his sassy reputation!

Melissa

[salsachinita]

Now, now kids let's get back to the topic and leave poor Sassy Hips alone for a minute :wink: ........

One of the reasons I started this thread was because I've been told lately that I've got my own unique style :shock: .......which makes sense, given my *very* mixed influences; but I guess I've just never thought of it.

Plus, SD mentioned in his Adventure in Denmark story that he confused the heck out of the people there, as his style is somewhat hard to define.

CapricornDancer also has yet found fitting terms to define his style. A few of us have attempted, but not getting very far :roll: . You guys should check him out at one of the Congresses......

Since I havn't met that many DF members, I am just wondering if many of us are not sure how to describe ourselves, or do most people fall nicely into the existing groups....?

So here's my own analogy: Given my forte in Cuban (and my weakness in multiple spins :oops: ) I am definitely more 'earthy' and not at the all 'airy'. I am also more 'hot' than 'cool', eventhough I've hear the word 'elegant' being used on me a few times :oops:. Depending on connections with different partners (I do my best to follow their personal style), but in general I do better with med-slow tempo salsa, or some funky/edgy timba.

[tj]

Now, now kids let's get back to the topic and leave poor Sassy Hips alone for a minute :wink: ........

Lol!


So here's my own analogy: Given my forte in Cuban (and my weakness in multiple spins :oops: ) I am definitely more 'earthy' and not at the all 'airy'. I am also more 'hot' than 'cool', eventhough I've hear the word 'elegant' being used on me a few times :oops:. Depending on connections with different partners (I do my best to follow their personal style), but in general I do better with med-slow tempo salsa, or some funky/edgy timba.

All right, to use your terminology:

Air more than earth (I've got a couple years of Casino experience, but I've become more LA Style - mostly cuz 90% of the dancers that I like are LA Stylists. And yes, I like spins.)

Water but with some elements of fire (I like momentum moves, so thus the fire aspect. I will never force anything, however, as I prefer to keep things smooth. I don't keep up that well with the flashiest stylists in the scene - mostly just let them do their thing by giving them sufficient freedom.)

I like medium to medium fast speed salsa. The fastest stuff just wears me out and it's too much of an effort to do anything complex. With the medium stuff, I can use the extra time to come up with stuff to play with.

[youngsta]

My style has a heavy dose of Water with significant amounts of air and a teeny, tiny touch of fire.

[SDsalsaguy]

Hey now, don't you go hogging all the credit... :wink:

Well, I did dub him "sassy" first. =) heh!

Yes you did Melissa, you dubbed him "sassy" . . . but Sassy Hips? *thank you... thank you very much* :wink:

[salsachinita]

SD, what's your self-analogy using elements...?

And the rest of you other DF salseros/as...?

:P

[Haz]

SD, what's your self-analogy using elements...?

And the rest of you other DF salseros/as...?

:P

Aight...I'll give it a shot.

Currently I'd have to definitely place myself in the element of rock or stone. Like I've mentioned on other boards, I can see the moves and pick them up fast so my arms and legs (for the most part) and doin all the things they should be. But my 'flow' or motion is still stiff and solid (lacking the latin hips). Having only danced Traditional Step Dancing (Cape Breton style...everything from thighs up is a solid slate) and that being a really long time ago...the groove just isn't there yet. Slowly its starting to seep in (been to the club and practicing, etc) but I'm definitely still a rock....

Where I'd like to end up? Probably fire. Maybe come off as water and seem 'smooth' (mebbe a lil bit of 'youngsta-sassy'-ness as well...just a tad :wink: ), but when the rhythms start pumpin and the solo breaks fly...I'd like my follow to be thinking 'What the hell is going on??' converted to 'What just happened? Wow that was cool...' or maybe 'wow that was hot...' - haven't decided yet 8) . But I definitely like the appeal of fire being unpredictable and I'd like my dances to not be so routine as much as fun and exhilarating.

[salsachinita]

Remember, your elements can change.....! Therefore you won't stay a rock for very long :wink: (and I somehow suspect from your posts that you are not very rocky in any way, shape or form)!

Fire was what we had last night. My dance partner "El Washing Machine" from 14 years ago came back from Mexico, and we went out dancing.

Oh boy, did we sizzle.... :D ! Yep, we were a ball of raw energy & fairly unpredictable, as we have always been. But I've noticed something about my own style.

I must have evolved :? . I felt calm & in utter control, as if in the eye of the cyclone. I was cool. I was water suspended in mid-air.....at the same time completely grounded.

Too much fun playing with elements.... :P !

*my techniques are still no where near where it should be, as I've always been one of theose people to just 'dance' :oops: *

[johnnywalker]

I'd describe my style as being like a cup of jelly atop a paint mixer (those contraptions you find in a hardware store that mixes paints to get a particular colour) :D

[cocodrilo]

My style could be described as Cuban- a lot of wiggling & wrigling, and willing to show off my own special techiniques. I'm glad I learned from South Americans & Cubans- I guess it rubbed off in the right way!

Hey, Haz! I was stiff as a board when I first started out! I actually got that comment! Now, at the parties, people come up to me and ask me if I'm Brazilian! (I don't look Cuban- too fair...) :D
You'll get into your groove before you know it!

[mellody43]

Aieeee -- after seeing some really good (professional) dancers last night I've determined that I have *NO* style. :?

[tj]

Aieeee -- after seeing some really good (professional) dancers last night I've determined that I have *NO* style. :?

No style is style unto itself!

But honestly, everyone goes thru the "Oh my god, s/he's way better than me & I'll never be that good" phase.

And do you really want to never fulfill your potential because the pros intimidate you?

[mellody43]

Hmmm..... *ponders*

Well, no. But... but ... !

[salsachinita]

I know how it is to be intimidated......heck, we have a whole thread for that!

I am friends with ALL the good (& professional) dancers in my city. Hanging out with them in public was always like being in the shadow. But you get used to it, as these people (how ever amazing they might be) are your friends, and they are there to have fun with you, not to show-off (they do that for a job)!

So I often dance along side the best........probably suck in comparision, but the getting the salsa fix means nothing really stands in my way :P !

[squirrel]

yeah salsachinita, you're so right! of course one wants to dance with the best! especially if one can really follow, no matter the level, because the 'pros' are such good leaders!
yes, one might suck compared to them, but that doesn't matter! most of them dance for a living, so they'd better be good at it! us mere mortals (with boring but oh so necessary day jobs) can only bow to their skill and hope to dance with them and, maybe, like them!

[Sabor]

free-styler here! :D i luv to switch and mix it up depending on the music and partner.. (Miami/LA/NY) yet apparently friends tell me i'm not similar to any of the broadly known styles.. so i guess i make my own thing wich is for the best far as i'm concerned because i enjoy difference and change very much! :D.. its like i'm feeding my soul in different tastes and keeps my spirits on high gear and my creative/improvisation skills honed.. its primarily the music the determines my movement and i luv it when my body plays with it and reacts to it different each time... certainly my favorite game :P

about 'intimidation'.. well, i understand it when some feel in the shade when there are pros around.. but i dont think that should be the case because if u think like that it takes away from u, the dance and the fun.. i've seen it happen and i always felt that it is so unnecessary.. personally i cannot be intimidated and never was cause i simply dont give attention to comparisons.. if i like what i see i cheer them like crazy if i happen to be watching.. but when dancing .. i'm ALL in the dance and the lady.. nothing else comes in my mind and that gives me fun like nothing else..
and u know what?.. when the dance ends .. sometimes i hear clapping and cheering.. i look around and find the people looking and smiling at my partner and me :wink: .. nothing beats fun, passion and grace.. nothing... full-pro..semi pro.. the king & queen of salsa.. alien dance champions .. whatever!.. 8) :D

[salsachinita]

Thankyou for your post, Sabor!

I was quite hoping you'd pop in on this thread :wink: .......and you didn't let me down.

Anyone else :P ?

[danceguy]

Yikes I'm so behind on posts! :oops:

Hmm, what system are we using for the elements? I won't go into a tyrade about how many people using the Chinese system focus on 5 instead of 8 (remember the Ba Gua?). So if use the more ancient system, that leaves us with: Heaven, Earth, Fire, Thunder, Water, Wind, Mountain and Cloud.

I'd say I'm a mix of Earth, Mountain and Cloud. I stay low to the ground and move somewhat slowly and quietly...but I also like to hide things and lead moves that can sometimes be hard to follow on purpose (Cloud)...especially if they are trying to backlead. On occasion I will show a little bit of wind or fire...but not very often. ;)

SG

[salsachinita]

Somehow I just knew that SG, our Resident MA Adviser, will add more elements to mine :wink: ......! *Thanks, SG!*

I've only included four, used in conjuction with Western Astrology: Fire, Water, Air, Earth. I didn't want to give too many choices.......but if anyone would like to use more fitting elements to describe their style, please go ahead.....!

:P Anyone else......?

[salsachinita]

Just thought I'd (shamelessly) bump my old thread :raisebro: ......

To all (current) DFers, what's your salsa analogy in element terms?

[sweavo]

I seek the T'ai Chi of salsa. When you see me motionless in the centre of the dance floor, without a partner, and yet looking GOOD, you'll know I've found it!

[borikensalsero]

I seek the T'ai Chi of salsa. When you see me motionless in the centre of the dance floor, without a partner, and yet looking GOOD, you'll know I've found it!

LMAO

[hello]

[QUOTE=salsachinita]This is my take:
Cuban/Afro Cuban: Earth (lower centre of gravity, more 'grounded' movements)
L.A. & related: Air (higher centre of gravity, more 'up'styling)
NY & related: Water (super smooth & continous, 'cool' rather than 'hot')
Colombian/Latino Old-school : Fire (grounded yet surprisingly forceful when it needs to be, more 'momentum' based, 'flickes' like flames, 'hot' rather than 'cool')

I really like this breakdown, and just as in astrology, a person is a combination of these elements in different percentages.

This made me think how my non salsa friends view salsa as just being fire, one-dimensional. I think that's where I found the beauty in salsa is that everyone adds their own style to the same steps/movements, individualizing it.

As some people weren't able to describe their own dancing, i can picture many of the regulars, and how I would describe them. Some dancers float, some are powerfully energetic, some playful, some virtuosic, creative, joyful, elegant.

I strive to be smooth, sensual, subtle, unique. More than three leads have recently told me that I float, so I take their word for it. (good feeling to know I'm improving little by little)

I think it also depends on the music. If the music is more upbeat and fiery, well dancing smooth would not be appropriate. It's about matching, blending, connecting with the lead/follow and the music, a beautiful love triangle: lead/follow/music. Maybe people have preferences though, so my preference are mentioned above.

[salsachinita]

I really like this breakdown, and just as in astrology, a person is a combination of these elements in different percentages.

:D Absolutely! Thankyou for "getting" exactly what I've been trying to convey :cool: .....!!

[DCR]

Nothing but pure fun for me ..be it On1, 2, or 3...just set yourself FREE.

4 decades and I'm still going strong. Wepaaaaaaaaa!http://salserosweb.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/dance.gif

[mambochino]

when i dance, i m just an animal.

[sweavo]

when i dance, i m just an animal.

hmm, what animal? a mouse? or a moose? or something in between? :-)

[thespina13]

I've been described as some who floats, or is elegant... and my trademark, I guess, is the eye stuff I do. LoL... I think I may communicate a little too much with my eyes sometimes because I've gotten a LOT of "response" from what I do with them.

At any rate, I watched myself on video for the very first time not too long ago and realized just how little what I feel translates into how I look. Which is where I think Edie's comment comes into play. It takes a certain amount of attention to purely the aesthetics of movement and styling to convey what you're feeling, because feeling isn't quite enough to make it read on the dance floor. And I think I need to work on that. Although a few shots of tequila always seem to help me in that regard ;)

[sweavo]

At any rate, I watched myself on video for the very first time not too long ago and realized just how little what I feel translates into how I look. Which is where I think Edie's comment comes into play. It takes a certain amount of attention to purely the aesthetics of movement and styling to convey what you're feeling, because feeling isn't quite enough to make it read on the dance floor.

Aaaah! That adds a lot of sense to Edie's comment. When I was younger I did modern dance and was taught to "finish" my movements, i.e. don't just stick your arm out, but get it all the way to its destination and keep it there for long enough to be seen...

I suppose this is also the reason you must never be ashamed of dancing with a mirror - even though the uninitiated think you just love yourself!

[amo_dile_que_no]

I've been described as some who floats, or is elegant... and my trademark, I guess, is the eye stuff I do. LoL... I think I may communicate a little too much with my eyes sometimes because I've gotten a LOT of "response" from what I do with them.
and playfull. Very true about the eyes (except the too much part) and the little smile. I'm shocked to think you "make those eyes" at other leads. I thought I was the only one ;)

[yola]

:)) yes she did... somewhere on her site!

I don't know... I think she meant how well you dance, not if you're attractive... she was saying something about the fact that in LA it is important if you can dance, and guys prefer to dance with women who look like housewives but are great dancers than with those who are gorgeous, but lousy dancers!
hmm have to disagree here.. guys mostly ask and dance with the attractive girls. unless you're really really really good, or they know you.
i often see that happening: lousy dancers but with really hot top, low cut trousers/short skirt, bits of flesh showing in all the rigth places... being asked (again and again) by the good leads...

i think hot beauty makes up for lousy dancing, and great dancing makes up for lousy /average looks

i seem to remember a comment on this from Edie as well: guys dance with the nice looking girls, so if you're maybe not a super beauty, you can make up for it by the way you clothe yourself, or the way you style.

[redhead]

I'm Water... I don't rush but I'm not slow and ppl say my style is "elegant"...
Although it all started out as Wood (choppy-choppy) ;)

[alemana]

[QUOTE=yola]hmm have to disagree here.. guys mostly ask and dance with the attractive girls. unless you're really really really good, or they know you.
i often see that happening: lousy dancers but with really hot top, low cut trousers/short skirt, bits of flesh showing in all the rigth places... being asked (again and again) by the good leads...

QUOTE]

yes

[sweavo]

hmm have to disagree here.. guys mostly ask and dance with the attractive girls. unless you're really really really good, or they know you.

Just like a porsche is a cure for baldness, a hot tush can fix all sorts of timing / following problems :-)

Men are shallow and go for looks - women look for something deeper like wealth or fame...

[amo_dile_que_no]

Men are shallow and go for looks - women look for something deeper like wealth or fame...
LOL Didn't see the the twist on the last part coming.



How would you describe your own salsa style (we are talking personal style rather than main styles), using analogies....?
Better late than never, I guess. Regardless of the type of dancing, ballroom, C&W, and salsa, women have always said I'm a smooth dancer. So I guess that makes me primarily Water, but I do think I have some "El Nino" action heating up the waters. I don't think of my style as lacking heat. Also, I would say I'm pretty grounded in terms of the kinds of movements I like, so Earth would be a good analogy as well.

So it looks like my personal style is primarily muddy. :)

[Josh]

hmm have to disagree here.. guys mostly ask and dance with the attractive girls. unless you're really really really good, or they know you.
i often see that happening: lousy dancers but with really hot top, low cut trousers/short skirt, bits of flesh showing in all the rigth places... being asked (again and again) by the good leads...

i think hot beauty makes up for lousy dancing, and great dancing makes up for lousy /average looks

i seem to remember a comment on this from Edie as well: guys dance with the nice looking girls, so if you're maybe not a super beauty, you can make up for it by the way you clothe yourself, or the way you style.
that's not been my experience at all... if a girl is scantily clad, it's a sign to me to NOT ask her to dance, as she is probably dressing that way to detract from her poor dancing ability... and most of the good dancers i know feel the same way.

i completely agree on the second part--i'm much more attracted (in general, not just dancing) to a good looking (7/10) but very stylish-ly dressed woman than a cover model (9/10) whose wardrobe is bland. personal style is a great equalizer.

[africana]

^^^ OMG i feel like i just wandered onto the set of the tom leykis talk show
7/10? 9/10?

sometimes i just can't help my morbid curiousty but man this rating of women stuff tears me up :lol:

[I Salsas]

no!!!!!!!!!

[hello]

All this beauty talk. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. A lot of times I see bland girls in both looks and dance skills get asked more frequently than a truly stunning woman. They are not intimidating. They're easy, they won't say no, they're a sure thing. I think beauty is being mistaken for trying hard to look beautiful and showing skin. That is not true beauty. True beauty comes from within, glows, and from my observation this scares many men ****less.

[englezul]

Just like a porsche is a cure for baldness, a hot tush can fix all sorts of timing / following problems :-)

Men are shallow and go for looks - women look for something deeper like wealth or fame...

:D .

that's not been my experience at all... if a girl is scantily clad, it's a sign to me to NOT ask her to dance, as she is probably dressing that way to detract from her poor dancing ability... and most of the good dancers i know feel the same way.
i completely agree on the second part--i'm much more attracted (in general, not just dancing) to a good looking (7/10) but very stylish-ly dressed woman than a cover model (9/10) whose wardrobe is bland. personal style is a great equalizer.

I try not to make that kind of distinction. I dance with all ten types of girls, ranged from 9.0/10, 9.1/10 to 10/10.

[africana]

I don't what it is about this forum but lately it seems to attract men (or comments from men) who want to objectify women as much as possible, referring to them as things, grading them. To me it shows an inordinate amount of self-esteem issues, possibly due to midget richards i.e. the type of guy that barely gets noticed in the real world LOL
Real men don't need to prove themselves by reducing women to things they can use to salve their bruised egos, or prove their manhood.

[amo_dile_que_no]

I don't what it is about this forum but lately it seems to attract men (or comments from men) who want to objectify women as much as possible, referring to them as things, grading them. To me it shows an inordinate amount of self-esteem issues, possibly due to midget richards i.e. the type of guy that barely gets noticed in the real world LOL
Real men don't need to prove themselves by reducing women to things they can use to salve their bruised egos, or prove their manhood.
I agree. Between this and a couple other threads, there are at least a couple posters who are exhibiting the kind of attitudes that show little respect for women and I have to say I have seen it consistently since I joined this forum. Unfortunately, I disagree that these are probably the kinds of guys that barely get noticed. They more than likely are very successful. It doesn't speak well for the behavior of many men and women. It promotes mistrust and ultimately it makes it more difficult for everybody out there.

[africana]

I agree. Between this and a couple other threads, there are at least a couple posters who are exhibiting the kind of attitudes that show little respect for women and I have to say I have seen it consistently since I joined this forum. Unfortunately, I disagree that these are probably the kinds of guys that barely get noticed. They more than likely are very successful. It doesn't speak well for the behavior of many men and women. It promotes mistrust and ultimately it makes it more difficult for everybody out there. oh trust me they barely get noticed, and the ones that do don't get taken seriously by most worthwhile women, and don't get laid enough hence the prevalence of anxious dick cheneys...

[Josh]

It's pretty naive to think that any human on the planet is immune to 'rating' or judging others. If you read my above post paragraph 1, it's clear that I enjoy dancing with someone because of her ability, not her looks (but even so, ability is at least somewhat inherited, so what makes that any better?). In paragraph 2, I say: "i'm much more attracted (in general, not just dancing)..." -- is it not okay for me to be attracted to a good-looking woman with good style, especially off the dance floor? Or shall I go on a search of the worst looking woman alive so I can self-righteously call myself a "deep person?" The fact that someone looks at the outside of a person does NOT suggest that he/she does not look at the inside even more so.

[africana]

hey if yall want to rate women like the government rates cattle have at it. Just know you get no respect for it, none