View Full Version : DWTS Week 9 Performance (spoilers)
hustleNflow
11-17-2008, 08:33 PM
Typing up my critique...just didn't want us to have to ditto threads :cool:
hustleNflow
11-17-2008, 09:02 PM
I hereby recommend a new rule for DWTS, taking a page out of the SYTYCD book: If you judge, you must also dance. You don't get to act entitled, high, and mighty if you've never danced a day of ballroom in your life. I think you all know who I'm referring to...:mad: I'll elaborate later...and what the heck was Len doing his masterclass on SALSA and JITTERBUG???!! Hasn't he claimed himself that he doesn't know much about them? I can't believe that he and producers didn't figure out that his talents were better suited to coaching actual ballroom dances. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills :shock:
Brooke & Derek - wow, the higher you climb, the farther you fall. That jive was dreadful. Brooke was missing leads left & right, and never seemed to really commit to the triple-step action - it was very shuffley for me. I loved the song choice, but I think it may have contributed to the failure of their jive - it was just too fast. Carrie Ann came across as uppity as ever to me when critiquing this one - going so far as to calling their lift (if you can call it that - I remember Tony & Inna doing it IN COMPETITION and still winning pro rhythm) "disrespectful at this stage of the competition". Right, Carrie Ann - because all the couples are refraining from doing lifts out of RESPECT for YOU. Get over yourself. She further reiterates how subjective and hypocritical she can be when she applauds their trick-and-lift laden salsa, saying that "there were a lot of lifts, but I liked them and it fit the dance". Soooo...I guess there's a new rule now: no lifts, unless Carrie Ann likes them. What a bunch of poppycock. But as for their salsa - it was alright. The number of good solid basics was disproportionately small compared to the number of flashy tricks...but it was fun to watch.
Cody & Julianne - this week just solidified the fact for me that the judges DO NOT want Cody to be in the finals. A paso that was light years better than Brooke & Derek's jive, and it gets 1 point more? *barf bucket* True, Cody was a bit stiff - but in the paso more than ever, I think it suited him this time. He presented his chest well, and had strong arms and feet. Loved the military theme & costumes - and boy, is that boy strapping! It was a very athletic routine, and he pulled it off. Their salsa was better - a fun, sugary little ditty, and Cody did seem to loosen his hips up a bit. He did seem to get a bit rushed during the middle, but some creative backleading from Julianne got him back on time. And kudos to Julianne for wearing a belly-baring costume only two weeks after having surgery...she looks fantastic!!! Despite having a pretty good week, though, I daresay these two are headed home tomorrow night - no thanks to the judges and their skewed scoring.
Warren & Kym - I think Warren's stage presence alone could carry him to the finals. These two were so much fun to watch tonight...their mambo was the slickest and most relaxed we've seen. Not a whole lot of complexity, but I respect the fact that Kym knows how to stick with what Warren can do, and knows that a quality basic trumps a sloppily-done flashy move any day. Love the fact that Warren finally got to wear a chest-and-arm-baring vest. And ahem - Bruno? "You get away with murder, Warren!"???! No Bruno, murder is what you do to our ears with some of the stuff that comes out of your mouth on a weekly basis. The jitterbug was probably the most creative theme we've seen so far - casino. And loved the fact that they used "Old Black Magic" as their music. So fun! It was energetic, fun, and carefree. And whoever tried to call Warren out for having his feet "all over the place" - um, isn't that kinda the idea in jitterbug?
Lance & Lacey - ok, as much as it pains me to say it: these two stole the show tonight. Their mambo was the best we've seen all season - not too "out there", good solid basics, proper timing & technique, and great performance quality. Didn't notice Lance's pigeon-toedness so much. Glad to see Lacey in an outfit that wasn't so "out there" and edgy - she looked very pretty tonight. Their signature move this season? The "turn to each side of the dance floor and point" box. Their jitterbug had great energy and fun choreography - but somehow, it still left me wanting more. I guess I still think that nothing can top Cody & Julianne's jitterbug - none of the others so far have measured up to its technique, energy, and comedy. Although Lance's shoe flying off was pretty entertaining! I just wish he wouldn't have stared at it for 15 seconds straight right after it happened. I think these two just may have solidified themselves as contenders for the win...too bad the judges have already made up their minds who they want to win this thing.
Did You Notice...?
*Debbie Gibson in the audience? I smell a contestant for next season...
*Brooke's undies peeking out for most of her salsa? Whoops, Brooke...that's what built-in spankies are for!
*The corner of Cody's lip bleeding after their salsa? Did Julianne accidentally smack him in the face coming out of a turn or lift, or did he just get really excited and bite down on it?
*Paul, the winning "Johnny" from the Dirty Dancing reality show, performing the salsa example?
*Christian Perry, the choreographer of the season 5 group rock 'n' roll routine and season 6 country routine, performing the jitterbug example?
Brooke jive- ackward. And here costume was to pale too counter Derek's giant blue coat.
Cody paso- I don't get the military theme of the costumes. Wasn't very together.
Re: tomorrow's performances. Kristi Yamaguchi? I don't watch results shows to see the "stars" even if they were the past winners. I watch to see actual dancers. Ergh.
Warren mambo- cute but his feet were a bit wonky.
Lance mambo- Nice. His grandpa is cute.:) I'm a sucker for the grandparents on this show.
Brooke salsa- Guess Derek had a few things from M&Y's The Beat he hadn't used already (including the costume).:rolleyes:
Cody salsa- the side by side wasn't very together, but I actually think it was his best pperformance. His shirt totally not matching her outfit really bothered me though.
Warren jitterbug- Well I have to give it to the band. That was a fabulous foxtrot song! Oh wait, it was supposed to be jitterbug? I think it would have been better with better music. It lacked energy, but the music sapped it all out. (How ironic that the band got thanked after this song.)
Lance jitterbug- Best performance of the night. Lacey's outfit is cute. Great recovery on the wardrobe malfunction. I'm betting out of all the pros Lacey probably actually has some jitterbug background (of course, that didn't help the week they had WCS.) But great performance.
*Debbie Gibson in the audience? I smell a contestant for next season...
Didn't she do "Skating With the Celebrities"??
salsera_alemana
11-17-2008, 10:21 PM
Too bad Brooke made so many mistakes in her jive. I thought her salsa was the only good salsa tonight, she can really move her body and her hips and looked natural.
I liked Cody's and Julianne's salsa (guaguancó) song very much and loved Julianne, however, thought that Cody was stiff and made a very serious face. I wanted to jell "Smile, this is so much fun, smile". He had his routine well together but was lacking flexibility, his moves were just too rigid.
Lance and Lacey's mambo might have been good, the music was so distracting, however, that I did not enjoy it because for me the music has to fit the dance and I simply could not get into it because of the music.
And the - supposedly professional - salsa dancers were not great, either, particularly the guy (Paul ?). The lady was ok although she did not have great Latin body moves (styling). Where were they the salsa champions? I just googled and could not find any competition where they were the champions. And also found that we saw her already - with an even worse lead - on another season of DWTS. She must have a contract with them. I have seen so many salsa dancers that look much better and have so much more "sabor" and Paul ? was lacking "sabor" and his dancing (steps and technique) lacked a lot. Why can't they get real salsa champions like Felipe Polanco, Jhesus Aponte, Oliver Pineda?
This for me is stylish, elegant, sophisticated salsa dancing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrqRzI4f7jI
Felipe's partner is great! I love the way she moves her body, her arms, her hands ... this is truly Puerto Rican style salsa on 2 at its best!
Here a different style, Oliver Pineda and partner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dkRpHadHMg
I am always disappointed about mambo and salsa on this show.
soshedances
11-18-2008, 08:36 AM
Great recap, as usual, HnF!
I was underwhelmed by this week's performances, and disappointed that they had so many mambo/salsa routines, which are stylistically similar.
Why no ballroom AT ALL on the "semifinal"? Do they think it's somehow inferior to latin/rhythm? Can't say I'm a fan of the format this season, I think they needed to stick to the ballroom round and latin round last night.
I was frustrated with the show last night...don't even get me started on the judging.
anp73ga31
11-18-2008, 09:53 AM
Bad Derek! Bad Derek! I was so PO'd to see that he not only took quite a few of the samba moves from Max and Yulia's "The Beat", but he had them copy Yulia's costume exactly. What the heck!!!!! NOT COOL, DEREK!! Take one, take the other, but dont take both at the same time!! Grrr....
My non-dancing sister and I were watching and both of us were like, "um, o-kaaaay" about Christian Perry's jitterbug. She rightly noted that he looked like a cross between the huge tall guy on "Everybody Loves Raymond" (Robert) and Nicolas Cage, both on speed. He's so spastic! I didnt think that was a very good representation of the jitterbug, but then again, I am not a Christian Perry fan.
Brooke's first dance was horrific. Second was pretty good. Her and Derek have started to get on my nerves already, though. Would kind of be glad if they did NOT win.
Cody's dances....meh. He just doesnt look right and his arms are awkward and his obvious crush on his goddess Julianne kind of gets on my nerves. Now that Edyta was able to get him thru to the semi final, I'm ok if he leaves now. He on the other hand, will not know what to do with himself when he doesnt get to see Julianne anymore!
Warren's dances were pretty good. Just didnt seem to have alot of hard stuff in them. Kind of over him as well. While I was glad when Emmitt won, I would rather not see him win as he's not put forth as much effort as Emmitt seemed to. (went back and re-watched some of Emmitt's dances to come to that conclusion after wondering why I liked Emmitt so much but was "over" Warren already).
Lance's dances were great. I would rather he and Lacey NOT win because she just went about the whole season wrong and did alot of things she should have, also because he could have done so much better already with another [better] pro. That being said, I wouldnt MIND if they won simply because Lance could shut up about not being a good dancer and because I dont really want any of the others to win. Didnt start out liking it, but by the end of the first dance, I loved Lacey's costume. And I loved both their routines. It did say alot for him that he kept going without screwing up after losing his shoe. Brooke made a mistake and it messed her up for the rest of the dance, and she had both shoes on! Lance and Lacey were definitely the best dances of the night.
Should be interesting to see the results tonight!
Man, still kinda ticked about the Derek thing. I simply ADORE Max and Yulia and think their showdance routines are just FANTASTIC. Guess that's why him taking not only their moves but Yulia's signature costume really ticks me off! Oh well...I'll get over it....
mamboqueen
11-18-2008, 10:12 AM
Well, it would have been nice if they had even changed the color of the costume....
gingerbread
11-18-2008, 10:29 AM
Oh dear, Brooke does get on my nerves but she deserves to win because she was not a dancer before. Lance could win on dance ability, and I guess if Joey Fatone and Kristi Yamaguchi are legitimate candidates, then he deserves it too (yes, I know Joey came in 2nd). It just seems not right to have people with previous dance experience (Mario Lopez anyone?) compete against people with no previous dance training. Brooke is just a natural talent. If only she weren't so annoying. Staci Keebler had a much more appealing personality. Brooke seems to take her talent and her looks and great lhyperextended egs (so perfect for dancing) gorgeous hair, teeth, etc. as natural rights. Ok, gotta stop now, sounding catty. Or jealous, perhaps. Yeah, jealous.
mamboqueen
11-18-2008, 10:31 AM
Something about Brooke reminds me of Kelly whats-her-name....the lady that won first season. Similar coloring/hair/build maybe??
anp73ga31
11-18-2008, 10:49 AM
Well, it would have been nice if they had even changed the color of the costume....
yes exactly. anything to create some sort of difference. I wouldnt have even minded the costume re-creation if it hadnt been included in with the recycled moves. do one or the other, but all together it was just a little too much.
hustleNflow
11-18-2008, 11:46 AM
Something about Brooke reminds me of Kelly whats-her-name....the lady that won first season. Similar coloring/hair/build maybe??
Kelly Monaco ;)
mamboqueen
11-18-2008, 11:47 AM
thank you.. ;)
Yeah. Boo. No one is really seeming entirely likable this season. It's between:
- Brooke, who may actually have gotten worse over the course of the season (at least her Latin), and her prima donna of a pro partner...
- Warren, technique-less and overrated...
- Cody, great personality while not dancing but seems unable to enjoy himself while dancing...
- or Lance, whose pro partner FINALLY came up with some awesome choreography for him last night after being super annoying all season.
I guess I am hoping Lance will win, since I think he finally got to show what he can do and he's the star I'm the most excited about right now. But GRRRR! Cody, why couldn't you have learned to dance??
Also, I don't know anything about 'jitterbug'/lindy hop/swing but C. Perry's dancing seemed really chaotic to me last night...his partner looked much more stable & in control. Sounds like some of you DFers thought the same?
mamboqueen
11-18-2008, 12:07 PM
I think Brooke's problem is that she peaked too soon; if she had done that jive early on, it wouldn't have been as big of a deal - it would have been what was expected. Her consistently good dancing throughout has raised expectations. You kind of think some of these pro's would keep things somewhat simple/clean in the beginning and progress them...but I suppose then you really don't know if you'll get voted back the next week.
gingerbread
11-18-2008, 01:29 PM
You think Derek is a prima donna?
and123
11-18-2008, 01:45 PM
I think he, and a lot of the Pros, are blind to their partner's inabilities and shortcomings. Encouraging them is one thing, but telling them they danced Fabulously/Perfectly/Deserved a 10 (when they clearly did not!) is another. Getting a 10 should be a rare occurence and well-earned.
BallandChange
11-18-2008, 03:28 PM
Also, I don't know anything about 'jitterbug'/lindy hop/swing but C. Perry's dancing seemed really chaotic to me last night...his partner looked much more stable & in control. Sounds like some of you DFers thought the same?
I agree I thought it was quite amateur. Chaotic is a good description.
Angel HI
11-18-2008, 04:26 PM
...whose pro partner FINALLY came up with some awesome choreography ....after being super annoying all season.
Lace is latin and Swing. She is the daughter of the king of swing; has been dancing this all of her life; and, is a past running champion. BR is not her thing. She didn't 'finally' come up w/ good choreo (look at her other swings/latin). The show 'finally' came around to her area of expertise.
Gingerbread, yes, I do think Derek is a prima donna. He seems to have done a lot of complaining this season. Of course I can understand why a ballroom pro would complain about having to choreograph a 'jitterbug', etc, but I thought many of the others handled it more gracefully. He also started sounding a little whiny toward the end of his run last season with Shannon, when, as and123 said, he kept implying that Shannon had danced fabulously and deserved way better scores, and even put down some of the other couples.
And Angel, maybe Lance's execution was part of what hurt Lacey's WCS, but I personally was much more impressed by her mambo routine last night. I don't think her other Latin has been as good, either. Much has seemed just plain gimmicky.
anp73ga31
11-19-2008, 09:05 AM
Lace is latin and Swing. She is the daughter of the king of swing; has been dancing this all of her life; and, is a past running champion. BR is not her thing. She didn't 'finally' come up w/ good choreo (look at her other swings/latin). The show 'finally' came around to her area of expertise.
Well this IS a show where people learn to dance ballroom. Why should it have to come around to her area of expertise? I still wonder why they ever had her on if she doesnt know 50% of the dances. And while she is an undisputed swing champion, I'm not sure about her being a latin champion. Didnt she just compete/win at the junior level and thats it? A number of ppl on here who currently do a high level of latin and take from high level pros have noted that her footwork and technique is not that great...they cant ALL be wrong about that. I do think she's a fantastic swing dancer and I absolutely LOVE to watch her and Benji dance in their own style, but I dont believe she really belongs on this show as a ballroom/latin pro. Then again, if you go by actual qualifications, Kim and some of the others probably shouldnt be on there either, not to mention that Carrie Ann and Bruno should DEFINITELY not be! So the producers obviously dont care one bit about authenticity, in which case I guess I shouldnt either. Oh well...its hard not to care when you want your style to be adequately represented. Got to constantly keep reminding myself of this....
^I think Kym is an Australian 10-dance champ, so she's among the most qualified. Cheryl, one of the winningest would probably be in the "less qualified" as would Ashly, one of the most popular ever. Most of the dancers are primarily latin dancers for that matter. And the top dancers on the show tend to be the least favorite to the public, example being Karina. It's pure entertainment for the general public. They see dancing and fancy costumes and faux love affairs and manufactured drama. And it's dancers that can give that to the public that are going to do well on the show, whatever their dance qualifications.
anp73ga31
11-19-2008, 11:29 AM
^I think Kym is an Australian 10-dance champ, so she's among the most qualified. Cheryl, one of the winningest would probably be in the "less qualified" as would Ashly, one of the most popular ever. Most of the dancers are primarily latin dancers for that matter. And the top dancers on the show tend to be the least favorite to the public, example being Karina. It's pure entertainment for the general public. They see dancing and fancy costumes and faux love affairs and manufactured drama. And it's dancers that can give that to the public that are going to do well on the show, whatever their dance qualifications.
Yeah, now that you mention it, the few smooth champs who have been on the show didnt go over so well with the public. I would love to see more of them on there, but the public seems to prefer the hot and steamy latin guys, so I can understand why they would stick to hiring that type though it doesnt seem fair with regard to representation of the other styles. Oh well..I guess I should just be glad that ballroom is on tv even if it is not a very good representation of it.
hustleNflow
11-19-2008, 01:48 PM
Yeah, now that you mention it, the few smooth champs who have been on the show didnt go over so well with the public. I would love to see more of them on there, but the public seems to prefer the hot and steamy latin guys, so I can understand why they would stick to hiring that type though it doesnt seem fair with regard to representation of the other styles. Oh well..I guess I should just be glad that ballroom is on tv even if it is not a very good representation of it.
Case in point: Jonathan Roberts. A fantastic smooth dancer (not bad at Latin, either...another one that is probably one of the more qualified pros) who never really gained a large fan base...it's a shame :(
dancelvr
11-19-2008, 03:43 PM
I'm wondering if Lacey was included in this season's show because of the addition of the new dances (west coast swing, etc)? I have to admit, I was kind of shocked when I saw her name on the list of pros for DWTS. Anyone who saw her on SYTYCD would have seen that her strong suit is not necessarily ballroom. *shrug* I still enjoy she and Lance (he's a cutie!) very much. I do wish she could edit what comes out of her mouth at times. But, as a big fan of the Schwimmer family of dancers, I'm glad to see Lance and Lacey in the finals. The way the judging was going, I was sure they would never have made it this far.
It's also too bad the public doesn't respond as well to smooth as latin. I'd even like to see more standard, but I'm sure non-dancing tv watchers would not find that as appealing. After all....there is no booty shaking or leg flicking or skimpy costumes. Oh well....I'll take ballroom on tv in whatever form I can...for now. *counting the days until America's Ballroom Challenge is aired*
Oh yeah....and for the record, IMHO, when comparing Brooke to Stacey Keebler, I'd rather watch Brooke (even though she and Derek are a bit annoying.) Stacey Keebler...YUK! That woman is about one inch short of becoming a caricature of the 'leggy blond'. Her smooth was ok, but her jive made me wince.
dancelvr
11-19-2008, 04:06 PM
Well, it would have been nice if they had even changed the color of the costume....
I absolutely noticed the similarity of design between Brooke's costume and Yulia's. (How tacky and arrogant!) However, I seem to remember that when she and Max performed that particular show dance (on America's Ballroom Challenge), the fringe on her costume was orange and yellow. Wasn't Brooke's one solid color in a sort of tan/bronze or whatever that was? Did Yulia wear one the same color as Brooke's during another performance of the same dance? Or....do I just need to adjust the color on my tv?
OR.....am I just blinded with jealousy of Yulia's figure and talent? Yeah...maybe that's it. :-)
Dancelvr, yeah, Yulia wore two different costumes. If you search 'Max Yulia the beat' on YouTube you can find some of each.
Her PBS costume had *pink* and yellow fringe, and I liked that one better, but it would have looked very silly on Brooke...good call there, at least, Derek.
Angel HI
11-20-2008, 02:05 AM
I still wonder why they ever had her on if she doesnt know 50% of the dances. And while she is an undisputed swing champion, I'm not sure about her being a latin champion.....
You are correct, of course. I did not mean to insinuate that she was a latin pro, as I know that she isn't (sorry for the ambiguity).
I'm wondering if Lacey was included in this season's show because of the addition of the new dances (west coast swing, etc)?
No doubt.
naturallove
11-20-2008, 03:31 AM
Well this IS a show where people learn to dance ballroom. Why should it have to come around to her area of expertise? I still wonder why they ever had her on if she doesnt know 50% of the dances. Oh well...its hard not to care when you want your style to be adequately represented. Got to constantly keep reminding myself of this....
I feel the same way every time I watch salsa/mambo on this show! *sigh*
anp73ga31
11-20-2008, 10:00 AM
I absolutely noticed the similarity of design between Brooke's costume and Yulia's. (How tacky and arrogant!) However, I seem to remember that when she and Max performed that particular show dance (on America's Ballroom Challenge), the fringe on her costume was orange and yellow. Wasn't Brooke's one solid color in a sort of tan/bronze or whatever that was? Did Yulia wear one the same color as Brooke's during another performance of the same dance? Or....do I just need to adjust the color on my tv?
OR.....am I just blinded with jealousy of Yulia's figure and talent? Yeah...maybe that's it. :-)
She wore the tan one for Ohio Star Ball/America's Ballroom Challenge the first time. But in person I saw her wear the multicolored one and when they had them perform it again on PBS more recently, she wore the multicolored one then as well. One difference with Brooke's is that they cut it down too low. If they'd have done it up a little higher like Yulia's, we never would have had to see Brooke's g-string. :rolleyes:
Regarding Lance and Lacey, even though their attitudes are sometimes annoying and their dancing earlier on annoyed me too, I would really kind of like to see Lance win it. Brooke and Derek seems so sure she is so fantastic and that she is going to win (despite what they say in order to appear humble) that I would like to see her lose just for the heck of it. Mean, I know, but true.
dancelvr
11-20-2008, 03:36 PM
She wore the tan one for Ohio Star Ball/America's Ballroom Challenge the first time. But in person I saw her wear the multicolored one and when they had them perform it again on PBS more recently, she wore the multicolored one then as well. One difference with Brooke's is that they cut it down too low. If they'd have done it up a little higher like Yulia's, we never would have had to see Brooke's g-string. :rolleyes:
Regarding Lance and Lacey, even though their attitudes are sometimes annoying and their dancing earlier on annoyed me too, I would really kind of like to see Lance win it. Brooke and Derek seems so sure she is so fantastic and that she is going to win (despite what they say in order to appear humble) that I would like to see her lose just for the heck of it. Mean, I know, but true.
I noticed Brooke's outfit was cut a bit low. Ick. Yulia looked so fantastic in the multicolored costume. Unfortunately, I can't watch it on Youtube. I live out in the boonies and still on dial-up on my home computer.
Lance is definately one of the more likable of the finalists. Warren is fun too, but I'm leaning toward Lance. Brooke and Derek have annoyed me since the beginning. The buildup of her by the judges and Derek seems a bit contrived to me. Just because she can learn a routine does not make her a ballroom dancer....let alone a pro. Sheesh! So, count me in the "mean" catagory.
dancelvr
11-20-2008, 03:40 PM
Dancelvr, yeah, Yulia wore two different costumes. If you search 'Max Yulia the beat' on YouTube you can find some of each.
Her PBS costume had *pink* and yellow fringe, and I liked that one better, but it would have looked very silly on Brooke...good call there, at least, Derek.
I stand corrected! :-) On my TV, it looked like orange. Whatever the color, it was a smashing costume! What I wouldn't give to see Yulia dance in person.
old dog
11-21-2008, 02:03 AM
Do the kids we see dance on DWTS ever dance smooth of any type? If so, why do they not for this show?
(I'd guess maybe for the same reasons noted above -- the producers think the non-dancing viewers would not be so captivated seeing smooth dances.)
Is this also the reason why the Waltz was dropped from the show? IMHO, the best of what ballroom has to offer is in the music and the movement of the Waltz.
BTW, did I notice that much of the VW music this season was played at a slower tempo than usual -- hardly qualifying as real VW?
soshedances
11-21-2008, 07:58 AM
Case in point: Jonathan Roberts. A fantastic smooth dancer (not bad at Latin, either...another one that is probably one of the more qualified pros) who never really gained a large fan base...it's a shame :(
I'm also disappointed by the imbalance of smooth vs. latin pros on this show. I loved Jonathan Roberts and I hope 1) he comes back soon and 2) if he does, they give him a partner with a big fan base.
I'm also disappointed by the imbalance of smooth vs. latin pros on this show. I loved Jonathan Roberts and I hope 1) he comes back soon and 2) if he does, they give him a partner with a big fan base.
Bigger than Marie Osmond's?
I hope that if he comes back, they give him a partner with some dancing talent!
Another Elizabeth
11-21-2008, 11:47 AM
I hope that if he comes back, they give him a partner with some dancing talent!
How about a partner who treats him as a dance teacher instead of a personal therapist?
and123
11-21-2008, 11:57 AM
*snicker*
soshedances
11-21-2008, 12:03 PM
How about a partner who treats him as a dance teacher instead of a personal therapist?
Haha...that too! Would love to see him in the final with a good partner/student!! And I'd really love to see him and Valentina perform some of their smooth!
anp73ga31
11-24-2008, 11:29 AM
^I think Kym is an Australian 10-dance champ, so she's among the most qualified. Cheryl, one of the winningest would probably be in the "less qualified" as would Ashly, one of the most popular ever. Most of the dancers are primarily latin dancers for that matter. And the top dancers on the show tend to be the least favorite to the public, example being Karina. It's pure entertainment for the general public. They see dancing and fancy costumes and faux love affairs and manufactured drama. And it's dancers that can give that to the public that are going to do well on the show, whatever their dance qualifications.
Found this on Wikipedia....wondering if the bold part is true because the site is user created and the facts arent always correct: "At fifteen, Julianne Hough became the youngest dancer, and only American, to win both Junior World Latin Champion and International Latin Youth Champion at the Blackpool Dance Festival (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackpool_Dance_Festival)." Now of course we are only talking junior level here...as far as I'm aware she never won at Blackpool as an adult or a professional (did she even compete after doing junior? the timeline is vague), but it is, after all Blackpool....anyone, especially an american, who can win at Blackpool is fantastic in my book. Regarding why certain pros do better than others....I think Julianne has done so well on the show because of her personality. As wooh touched on above, you can be a phenomenal dancer, one of the best in the world, like Karina....but if you dont have the right personality you wont connect with the viewers. And drama certainly adds to it. Also, maybe the fact that Jonathan and Anna were married didnt help with regards to their popularity? People tend to go for the younger, single folks for some reason. Because they can fantasize about them without feeling guilty? Maybe a little of that plus the fact that if they are single there is always the chance they might hook up with their current partner (cue the drama) like on SYTYCD when everyone wanted Benji and Donyelle to get together. Sorry...just random thoughts....am looking forward to the finale tonight and the results show tomorrow night. Ready to get this over with and on to ABC which will hopefully be on in early 2009 as it was previously.
hustleNflow
11-24-2008, 11:47 AM
Found this on Wikipedia....wondering if the bold part is true because the site is user created and the facts arent always correct: "At fifteen, Julianne Hough became the youngest dancer, and only American, to win both Junior World Latin Champion and International Latin Youth Champion at the Blackpool Dance Festival (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackpool_Dance_Festival)." Now of course we are only talking junior level here...as far as I'm aware she never won at Blackpool as an adult or a professional (did she even compete after doing junior? the timeline is vague), but it is, after all Blackpool....anyone, especially an american, who can win at Blackpool is fantastic in my book. Regarding why certain pros do better than others....I think Julianne has done so well on the show because of her personality. As wooh touched on above, you can be a phenomenal dancer, one of the best in the world, like Karina....but if you dont have the right personality you wont connect with the viewers. And drama certainly adds to it. Also, maybe the fact that Jonathan and Anna were married didnt help with regards to their popularity? People tend to go for the younger, single folks for some reason. Because they can fantasize about them without feeling guilty? Maybe a little of that plus the fact that if they are single there is always the chance they might hook up with their current partner (cue the drama) like on SYTYCD when everyone wanted Benji and Donyelle to get together. Sorry...just random thoughts....am looking forward to the finale tonight and the results show tomorrow night. Ready to get this over with and on to ABC which will hopefully be on in early 2009 as it was previously.
I don't think Julianne has ever competed as a professional in an actual ballroom competition (DWTS certainly doesn't count). Just as a youth amateur w/Mark. Hmmm.
anp73ga31
11-24-2008, 12:58 PM
I don't think Julianne has ever competed as a professional in an actual ballroom competition (DWTS certainly doesn't count). Just as a youth amateur w/Mark. Hmmm.
That's what I was thinking. If I'm not mistaken, its the same with Cheryl? I dunno. Anyway, it would be nice if they had a good mix of smooth/standard and rhythm/latin folks on the show who have competed as adults and ranked fairly high up. But then again, if they truly love what they are doing, they wouldnt want to give it up for possible fame and besides, the general public wouldnt appreciate their talent anyway so why waste it. Oh well....at least we even HAVE a tv show that is [sort of] about ballroom dancing to watch and complain about. It could be worse. :D
mamboqueen
11-24-2008, 01:01 PM
No....Cheryl competed as a pro with Jose.
hustleNflow
11-24-2008, 01:18 PM
No....Cheryl competed as a pro with Jose.
If memory serves, they actually won Pro Rising Star Latin at OSB in '05. And then not long after that (like literally just a few months), Cheryl quit competing professionally and joined the cast of DWTS. Makes you wonder how far she could have gone if she had kept competing professionally...
mamboqueen
11-24-2008, 01:23 PM
If memory serves, they actually won Pro Rising Star Latin at OSB in '05. And then not long after that (like literally just a few months), Cheryl quit competing professionally and joined the cast of DWTS. Makes you wonder how far she could have gone if she had kept competing professionally...
Yeah, I guess we'll never know. It's too bad, I would have liked to have seen her compete in person.
FYI - bumped into Max quite a bit this weekend. The girls at the hotel reservation counter were pretty giddy. And then once, I was just getting into the elevator and looked to see if anyone was behind me, and there was Max coming down the hall. I told him he needed to take bigger steps (his words to me in my lessons with him). LOL. I'm quite serious!
hustleNflow
11-24-2008, 01:27 PM
Yeah, I guess we'll never know. It's too bad, I would have liked to have seen her compete in person.
FYI - bumped into Max quite a bit this weekend. The girls at the hotel reservation counter were pretty giddy. And then once, I was just getting into the elevator and looked to see if anyone was behind me, and there was Max coming down the hall. I told him he needed to take bigger steps. LOL. I'm quite serious!
LOL...did you let the doors close, or did ya hold 'em?
mamboqueen
11-24-2008, 01:37 PM
LOL...did you let the doors close, or did ya hold 'em?
He's judging...you think I was going to close it on him???
hustleNflow
11-24-2008, 01:51 PM
He's judging...you think I was going to close it on him???
LOL...didn't know the judging part. Thought you might have wanted to play hard-to-get with him ;)
mamboqueen
11-24-2008, 02:01 PM
LOL...didn't know the judging part. Thought you might have wanted to play hard-to-get with him ;)
LOL. no...not interested ;)
anp73ga31
11-24-2008, 02:22 PM
If memory serves, they actually won Pro Rising Star Latin at OSB in '05. And then not long after that (like literally just a few months), Cheryl quit competing professionally and joined the cast of DWTS. Makes you wonder how far she could have gone if she had kept competing professionally...
Yes, that's like quitting just when you are getting started...who knows, though, maybe the stress and schedule of competing just really wasnt her thing. At any rate, she seems happy with her choice. And Jose is now dancing with Joanna Z. now, right? They too seem happy with their choices. I remember when they came on DWTS and although I love to watch them dance at comps, I remember thinking that they just didnt "get" DWTS in that they did a competition routine with a competition outfit and it just didnt translate very well to tv and its audience of ballroom virgins.
danceronice
11-24-2008, 02:26 PM
Not to mention Cheryl's probably making a LOT more money now than she would be competing as a pro....
Hee, re Maks this weekend--I got to see him make the day of a girl from one of the collegiate teams (I want to say UC-SD). She got a hug and I think she was still shaking ten minutes later! (He was very gracious about the whole thing.)
anp73ga31
11-24-2008, 03:31 PM
Not to mention Cheryl's probably making a LOT more money now than she would be competing as a pro....
No doubt....
I just find it odd for her to have quit when she did, right on the brink of her pro career....especially since so many others would love to have been in her shoes...you know what would be cool is to be able to have a Q&A with the pros on DWTS. I would like to know what made them decide to do the show. If they just were going to do it one season for the publicity and then decided that they liked the limelight and notoriety better than the actual dancing, etc. Do they miss competing? Did they ever like it to begin with or did they just dance because it was what they knew since childhood or what was expected of them? Would love to find out these types of things from them all.
LatinDancer006
12-23-2008, 02:59 PM
This for me is stylish, elegant, sophisticated salsa dancing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrqRzI4f7jI
Felipe's partner is great! I love the way she moves her body, her arms, her hands ... this is truly Puerto Rican style salsa on 2 at its best!
Here a different style, Oliver Pineda and partner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dkRpHadHMg
I am always disappointed about mambo and salsa on this show.
There's a lot of talk in the salsa community about "Sabor". But it seems to me that it's meaning has evolved from musicality to include attitude. The first video didn't do it for me. The guy in it doesn't seem like any better nor has more "sabor" than Paul. I'll agree with you though that Paul's partner didn't put out an engaging performance. I didn't particularly care for her snaughty attitude and lack of the latin motion.
Bella
12-31-2008, 09:14 AM
Does anyone know the tour dates and locations?
LatinDancer006
01-12-2009, 01:41 PM
I liked Cody's and Julianne's salsa (guaguancó) song very much and loved Julianne, however, thought that Cody was stiff and made a very serious face. I wanted to jell "Smile, this is so much fun, smile". He had his routine well together but was lacking flexibility, his moves were just too rigid.
I am trying to search for this song but I'm having a tough time. Is "Guaguanco" the title of the song? Because the search results I've been getting are videos of the dance style. Any help is appreciated.
Another Elizabeth
01-12-2009, 03:48 PM
According to Wikipedia, Cody's and Julianne's salsa was "Juventud de Presente" by Tito Puente.
LatinDancer006
01-12-2009, 03:57 PM
You're wonderfull. I can't believe that I actually like a song from DWTS.
BrownSkin818
01-27-2009, 08:16 PM
Too bad Brooke made so many mistakes in her jive. I thought her salsa was the only good salsa tonight, she can really move her body and her hips and looked natural.
I liked Cody's and Julianne's salsa (guaguancó) song very much and loved Julianne, however, thought that Cody was stiff and made a very serious face. I wanted to jell "Smile, this is so much fun, smile". He had his routine well together but was lacking flexibility, his moves were just too rigid.
Lance and Lacey's mambo might have been good, the music was so distracting, however, that I did not enjoy it because for me the music has to fit the dance and I simply could not get into it because of the music.
And the - supposedly professional - salsa dancers were not great, either, particularly the guy (Paul ?). The lady was ok although she did not have great Latin body moves (styling). Where were they the salsa champions? I just googled and could not find any competition where they were the champions. And also found that we saw her already - with an even worse lead - on another season of DWTS. She must have a contract with them. I have seen so many salsa dancers that look much better and have so much more "sabor" and Paul ? was lacking "sabor" and his dancing (steps and technique) lacked a lot. Why can't they get real salsa champions like Felipe Polanco, Jhesus Aponte, Oliver Pineda?
This for me is stylish, elegant, sophisticated salsa dancing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrqRzI4f7jI
Felipe's partner is great! I love the way she moves her body, her arms, her hands ... this is truly Puerto Rican style salsa on 2 at its best!
Here a different style, Oliver Pineda and partner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dkRpHadHMg
I am always disappointed about mambo and salsa on this show.
Excuse my lateness. I didn't watch the show this year, and I just came across the clip of Yesenia and Paul on youtube. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCp4xhMwhFs) I popped in to see if anyone had remarked on it. Considering that Paul is first and foremost a ballroom dancer, and Yesenia just adapts, I thought they did a GREAT job for TV salsa. It was much better that the routine Yesenia did a couple of years ago with her old partner Rodrigo.
I think Yesenia won some obscure salsa title yeeeeeears ago and that's where the quote of them being "champions" comes from. As far as the other links you provided, Felipe and partner would have been a sleeping pill for the TV audience. Oliver and partner could have worked though.
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