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Black Sheep
06-24-2003, 10:36 PM
Four hundred years ago, Shakespeare had the answer to you questions, "A
rose by any other name is still a rose."

In August 1935 Benny Goodman at the Palomar Ballroom in Hollywood,
California brought down the house with his new brand of Swing Music, and
Jitterbug came to be called Swing Dancing. The dance form did not change one
iota overnight; the only thing that changed was the 'NAME' from Jitterbug to
Swing only on the West coast. But New Yorkers, and I was one, kept on
calling the dance the Lindy Hop even after WW II. The Lindy Hop has had
various names since it's origination in the 1920's'; Charles Lindbergh's
flight over the Atlantic in May 22, 1927 was the inspiration for the new
Savoy ballroom dance being named the 'Lindy Hop'.
I stopped dancing in 1962, and returned to dancing in November 1999, and
the only significant difference I saw in today's Swing /Lindy compared to
our dancing the Swing/Lindy in the 1950's was that our style was as smooth
as silk, and we strove never to break rhythm or lose a beat, no matter how
complicated the aerial or dance combination; this style of dancing takes a
lot more practice and technical knowledge. Our best example or this type of
1950's Lindy Hop style in Southern California today is Min Vo, and a close
second is Anthony Wynn.
Last Friday night May 16th, Rusty, one of our better Lindy/ Swing
dancers was resting in a chair next to me, and he opened the conversation
with, "You know Joe, I like to cause a ruckus also"; which brought out an
unexpected laughter from both of us. His 'ruckus' was caused when he got
into a heavy discussion on 'Styling', being the only one opposed by a small
group of dissidents. Although my commentaries weren't meant to cause a
'ruckus', evidently some of them have, because I have been threatened three
times with physical violence, been called a 'big mouth' who gets his facts
wrong, been accused of spreading 'hate', been informed by one of the
leading Venue hosts that I was 'blackballed' by all the ladies, and was even
aggressively shoved in the chest by a married man who quickly disappeared
behind his wife before any possible repercussions were possible to his
blotched nose job by a 1980's plastic surgeon.
So the questions Gary posed are basically the source of much of the
controversy that is going on in Southern California since I came out with my
commentary comparing West Coast Swing (WCS) with East Coast Swing (ECS).
However, I believe I pretty much covered defining dance terms in general
in a Commentary, 'Dance Definitions (http://www.dance-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=322)' (5-2-03) . But at the risk of
encouraging more violent threats and calumnious attacks, I will 'Revisit'
this controversial question if there any other questions on this subject.

Black Sheep www.lindybylanza.com

DancePoet
08-05-2004, 10:52 PM
Black Sheep: If you are still out there, how did you come to stop dancing from 1962 to 1999?

swinginstyle
08-06-2004, 04:00 AM
He's back to post more?

DancePoet
08-06-2004, 09:12 AM
Don't know, but when reading old posts, nothing better else to do last night, I found this and wanted to know why in the world he had stopped dancing from 1962 to 1999. Must be a good story there!

pygmalion
08-06-2004, 09:59 AM
I believe Joe is fairly active on several other dance discussion boards.

Vince A
08-06-2004, 03:59 PM
Yes, he is active on "OTHER" dance forums . . . isn't that great???

twnkltoz
08-06-2004, 04:22 PM
I'm not surprised at the threats of physical violence, given the way he interacts with other posters. It seems to me that, dancewise, he is stuck in 1962 and hasn't evolved like everyone else.

Vince A
08-06-2004, 04:44 PM
I'm not surprised at the threats of physical violence, given the way he interacts with other posters. It seems to me that, dancewise, he is stuck in 1962 and hasn't evolved like everyone else.
"I'll drink to that." I do believe you described the man perfectly . . . and I guess we could add a little senility???

twnkltoz
08-06-2004, 04:59 PM
I've met a couple of people like that...have been dancing since time began, and do nothing but grumble about today's music, dance technique, patterns, etc!

Jmatthew
08-06-2004, 05:46 PM
I'm still busy chuckling over the idea of learning Lindy Hop from a book. :)

Vince A
08-06-2004, 07:11 PM
I've met a couple of people like that...have been dancing since time began, and do nothing but grumble about today's music, dance technique, patterns, etc!
That's one of few reasons (excuses) why I've quit competing . . . there are some older judges who 'ding' you pretty hard in the points if you play too much, say like in WCS. I can't see what's wrong with it as long as I follow their 12-count, which forces me to do a basic with "true anchor," instead of playing through the anchor . . . I ahve more fun playing with my dance partner!

twnkltoz
08-06-2004, 07:33 PM
I've met a couple of people like that...have been dancing since time began, and do nothing but grumble about today's music, dance technique, patterns, etc!
That's one of few reasons (excuses) why I've quit competing . . . there are some older judges who 'ding' you pretty hard in the points if you play too much, say like in WCS. I can't see what's wrong with it as long as I follow their 12-count, which forces me to do a basic with "true anchor," instead of playing through the anchor . . . I ahve more fun playing with my dance partner!

Is this in country comps or wcs comps?

DancePoet
08-07-2004, 07:41 PM
Ok ... obviously I don't have the same experience, at least not yet.

But what's the story behind no dancing from 1962 to 1999???

pygmalion
08-08-2004, 08:15 AM
I don't remember ever seeing an explanation posted.

DancePoet
08-08-2004, 04:27 PM
Can somebody pm me regarding what other websites Black Sheep might be frequenting? My curiosity is killing me.

Sagitta
08-08-2004, 05:34 PM
Curosity killed the cat!! :twisted: :lol: (and my spelling too - curiosity and not curosity) Oh man this isn't even funny! Actually that worn out cliched saying has a horrible ring that resonates with me and topics like these. Anyway, try yehoodi.com . His last posts there were July 15th, under Joe Lanza, his real name. If that isn't enough just search for swing forums and you'll find him. You cannot miss him! And that's for anyone else also interested.

By the way, I would love this topic to die a quick and painless death. [hint, hint]

swinginstyle
08-09-2004, 06:30 AM
I believe Joe is fairly active on several other dance discussion boards.

You should have seen the uproar on Yehoodi several months ago b/c of Lanza.