Need re-assurance that its time to look elsewhere...

[Plushdancer]

Hi all! I've really enjoyed lurking on this site for the past few months ;)

I'm new to dance - began lessons in August at a local chain studio in the American South (not nationwide). I'm in my mid-30's and have no intention of becoming a pro, or even looking like one - my focus is on losing weight, gaining fitness and grace and having fun!

I've loved every minute of my time at this studio - the teachers are great, the parties are fun and I love learning from my pro! I've gotten my feet quite wet with a showcase routine and at my first comp all in the first six months of dancing.

But the money pressure has really gotten to me - I'm just about broke and though I want to continue, I can't imagine that this is the right way to do it. So far, this club has squeezed the following out of me since August 2008 (granted I obviously have SUCKER tattooed on my forehead, so I know I'm just as culpable as they are for my situation):

Beginning Social Dance Lessons - $2400
Preliminary Bronze - $6500 (30 private, 30 group)
Showcase Routine (25 lessons, choreography) - $5000
Chain's Local Competition (pro/am) - $1400

Next up - Intermediate Bronze (60 private, 20 group) - $9000 - EEEEK! They've offered a very short-term "payment plan" but from what I learned from previous "plans" my pro will continually hound me to hurry up and pay it off. When I told them I just can't afford it regardless, they grudgingly backed off - and then two days later tried to sell me a spring show routine for $5000.

So I came up with a plan to SAVE up the money for the intermediates and naively told my pro about my plan and he immediately started trying to convince me to pay up front again. Last week he told me we can't schedule my remaining preliminary bronze privates until I pay off the current payment plan that THEY offered me - even though he has been the one pushing me to burn through my lessons.

I took a two week break because I was so upset about the money pressure and went back for the first time tonight for the Friday night party but left early. It broke my heart to watch my pro dance steps with other students that I can't afford to let him teach me. And the final straw tonight was when I found out that he told another of his students - a 70 year old single retired schoolteacher - to sell some of her jewelry to pay for more silver level lessons.

What have I gotten myself wrapped up in???? I just want out. I have a very stressful job and all of this money stuff is straining my marriage and I just can't take this nonsense - its sucking all the fun out of dancing in the first place.

So I want to continue dancing - but I don't want to be taken advantage of. Am I dreaming or can this really be done in some better, more reasonable, more ethical way?

Alison

[emeralddancer]

Are there other studios in your area to look into that are not chain studios?

Find an independent studio and an independent instructor.

Dear lord ballroom can be expensive but my goodness ......that is WAY over the top!

Others will be along shortly to have better advise and much more wisdom!

Good luck!

[Warren J. Dew]

Last week he told me we can't schedule my remaining preliminary bronze privates until I pay off the current payment plan that THEY offered me - even though he has been the one pushing me to burn through my lessons.

This part is really bogus.

I would say a couple of things:

(1) Cut back to a number of lessons per week that you can afford in the long term. For a lot of people, this is one a week.

(2) It will be tough, but you may need to find another studio. Go to social dances unrelated to your studio, talk to people, find out what your choices are, and check them out.

[Plushdancer]

Thanks for the replies - just hearing from others helps. Yes, I do think I have other options - I've taken my two week break to do a lot of research online and there are local independent studios and I feel like there are better options out there for me.

I simply didn't know any better at first. I fell for the routine of this studio hook, line and sinker and its a hard pill to swallow. I keep hearing my pro in my head "You get what you pay for", etc. I just need normal dancers to tell me he's full of it - at least when it comes to this studios prices.

Oh - and I tried to ask for the one lesson a week thing - you should have seen the look on my pro's face - you would have thought I told him I stomped on puppies in my spare time. I also apparently signed a "non-compete" contract with them that says I can't fraternize with other studios. Good grief - I'm starting to sound like I sold my soul!!!

[cornutt]

I think I know that teacher. :evil:

The short answer is: Yes, they are putting way too much pressure on you. Unless your goal is to be a Championship-level dancer in a year, there's no reason in the world to be going through lessons that fast. Further, you're probably having steps and syllabi and such thrown at you so fast that you don't have time to assimilate what you've learned. If you keep going down that path, you'll wind up being one of those dancers who knows a bunch of steps, but can't dance any of them very well.

I don't think that beginners, unless they have hours and hours each and every day for practice, benefit from more than one private and 1-2 group lessons a week. If you are in the U.S. South (as I am), that should not be running you more than $100 a week.

And a word about business practices: The fact that they are hinting about not honoring the remainder of your existing package unless you sign up for more -- that's a very bad sign. It's an indication that they've already spent the money you paid them for that package, and now they need another infusion of cash just to live up to their existing obligations. Then, as soon as they have that cash, they'll spend it on something else, etc. It's the dance world's equivalent of a pyramid scheme. I dance at a very reputable studio in the town where I live, and they will not sell a package of more than 6 lessons, just to make absolutely sure that doesn't happen.

Send me a PM if you want to discuss it further.

[cornutt]

I also apparently signed a "non-compete" contract with them that says I can't fraternize with other studios.

You aren't in instructor training, are you? A non-compete clause is something that instructor trainees have to sign. I've never heard of any studios requiring ordinary customers to agree to such a thing. And it's not enforceable. Blow it off.

[skipper]

A very wise coach once said to me, "when the student is ready, the teacher will appear". I have not always been ready to move on. I have never been happy about it--but it has always worked to my benefit.

Go and have ONE lesson with two or three different instructors in different studios. As for a lesson in __________ (the same dance). This way you will get an idea of which teacher communicates best for your style of learning. Compare apples to apples!

[fascination]

run away as fast as you can..even if you lose money, you will save it in the long run...there are excellent studios that do not operate this way...RUN

[dancepro]

I agree with skipper. I am sure you can find somebody that will be perfect for you. I also have to agree with fascination, I think this is a time to run and run fast.

Dancepro

[Me]

WOW. That is terrible. I am very sorry that you were taken so badly. :(


Below I have quoted the FTC Guidelines in regard to dance studios. I think reading them will help you:


Facts for Consumers from the Federal Trade Commission

Dance Studios -- November 1992




Although dance lessons may offer opportunities for fun, entertainment, and companionship, they also may be more expensive than planned, especially if you do not know how to protect yourself against some dance studio sales practices. For example, beware of:

Signing long-term contracts and prepaying thousands of dollars for dance lessons or clubs that you may be unable to complete or cancel;
Signing additional contracts before the current one expires;
Making large prepayments to studios that may be unable to give refunds should they suddenly close or go bankrupt.
In an effort to make consumers aware of certain sales practices used by some dance studios, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) has prepared this brochure. It also suggests ways in which you can protect yourself.

Sales Techniques:
If you are thinking about or are already taking dance lessons, you should understand the sales techniques that some dance studios may use to persuade you to take lessons, or to take additional lessons.
Relay Salesmanship: Some studio instructors use the technique of relay salesmanship (consecutive sales talks by more than one representative in a single day) to try to persuade students to buy lessons or buy more lessons. This tactic may put you under heavy pressure to sign a contract, encouraging you to buy lessons you may later realize you do not want or cannot afford.
Overlapping Contracts: Some studio instructors try to convince their students during lesson time to sign additional contracts before completing the current lessons. In some instances, you may unwittingly be buying additional lessons that extend beyond your interest, your physical fitness, or even your life expectancy.
High-pressure Sales: Some studio instructors, using high-pressure sales tactics, exploit student emotions or personal vulnerabilities to oversell lessons. Sometimes, when students refuse to buy additional prepaid lessons, instructors will neglect them in classes, embarrass them in public, or transfer them to a less skilled instructor.

Precautions:
Awareness about the possible use of these sales techniques can help you avoid potential problems. In addition, you may avoid some potential problems if you comparison shop for dance lessons.

Finally, before signing or renewing a contract for dance lessons, consider taking the following measures.

Pay in advance for only a certain number of lessons to see if you like them. You may get a discount if you make a large prepayment on a long-term contract, but it will have little value if later you are unable to take the classes, you want to cancel them, or the studio closes before your lessons are completed. At this time, only a few states require studios to post bonds to protect consumers' prepayments.



Insist that the following items are clearly stated in writing:

any oral promises;
the cost per hour of private and group lessons;
your cancellation and refund rights; (These are important in case you change your mind about lessons, move, or become ill.)
any prepayment protections, if required by state law.
You can ask about these important items when you comparison shop.

Do not sign a contract immediately, especially if you have concerns about the stability of the studio or are asked to prepay a large amount of money for a lifetime membership, an exclusive club membership, or dance cruise offer. Take time to think about the matter and talk it over with a friend, a family member, or an attorney. Even if your contract offers you a refund or cancellation option, you may be unable to get your money back if the studio closes or its refund check bounces. Prepay only as much as you can afford to lose if the studio closes.

As an additional precaution, you might wish to contact your local or state consumer protection office to learn what rights you may have under local or state law with regard to maximum costs for contracts, cancellation and refund rights, studio bonding requirements, and a "cooling off" period, which may give you a few days to reconsider your decision after you sign your contract. Also, by contacting your local Better Business Bureau office, you may be able to learn if there are any current complaints registered against the dance studio you are considering.

Complaints: If you have a problem with a dance studio and cannot resolve it, send a letter describing your complaint to your local or state consumer protection agency and your local Better Business Bureau. (Check your phone directory for addresses.) Also, send a copy of your letter to: Correspondence Branch, Federal Trade Commission, Washington, D.C. 20580. Although the FTC generally cannot intervene in individual disputes, the information you provide may indicate a pattern of possible law violations requiring action by the Commission.

[latingal]

Plushdancer, I'm glad you chose to speak up on the forum! Welcome.

I know that there are some good chain studios, but the one that you are currently at sounds like it's taking advantage of you. Yes, dancing is expensive - but gads it's not THAT expensive!

I encourage you to continue your research and find an independent studio that has good instructors and classes for the social and competitive dancer. Hopefully there you will not be asked to beggar yourself to learn and enjoy dancing.

I am very sorry that you ran in to this type of situation, but I am glad that you found a love for the dancing. I hope that this new leg of your journey is as fulfilling, but not quite as expensive!!

Continue to ask questions here if you are unsure of anything....the members here are quite friendly and usually willing to help!

p.s. Not only does that pay structure make me crazy, but the fact that they "withhold" knowledge until greater payments are made makes me see red!

[SPratt74]

A very wise coach once said to me, "when the student is ready, the teacher will appear". I have not always been ready to move on. I have never been happy about it--but it has always worked to my benefit.

I totally agree with this! ;)

I will say that I've been very fortunate when it comes to money and instructors (even if I wasn't always happy), because I've never had to pay for more than what I can afford. What I buy in lessons is what I can afford at the time. But I tell them from the beginning what I can afford, and I won't do any more than that. The most expensive package is what I've purchased in order to take an advanced dance class series. But I'm getting exactly what I want out of that class, so that's money well spent! I'd spend money on that instead of privates if I could, but both are needed for the goals that I want to accomplish. I will say that I have not attended a franchise to know what they are like and to be able to comment about those studios. I'm just talking about what I went through with independent studios, so they are worth looking into in my opinion. You'll just have to find the right one for you, because they all are different. Good luck!

[etp777]

Run!

Even going to chain in downtown Chicago, and as expensive as it makes dancing, I haven't spent nearly that much.

[elisedance]

Joined this late - just want to add one more voice to the get out quick gang. If they are pressuring you for more it is also possible that the studio is in financial 'stress' and may not honour the contracts you prepay...

[cornutt]

Yep. Run, don't walk.

[cornutt]

Joined this late - just want to add one more voice to the get out quick gang. If they are pressuring you for more it is also possible that the studio is in financial 'stress' and may not honour the contracts you prepay...

And Elise, that's what I'm thinking too... it sounds like the studio is using the pyramid method of financing, paying for current instruction out of future package sales. Sooner or later, financial pyramids always collapse. Usually sooner.

[latervet1]

Plushdancer- follow your gut and look some place else. I just wanted to add that if the studio is open they have to honor lessons you have already paid for and you can take those lessons over a time frame more suitable to your finances (altho they may have a 1 yr expiration date or something like that). i was told by an instructor whose studio ran this way that the reason they wanted to know if you were signing up for more lessons was because if you were not,they were not going to continue along in the syllabus with more steps but try to wrap up what they had already taught you and make sure you fully understand it and had good technique. Seems to me that this should be happening all along your training anyway, but thats the line they were feeding.

[SDsalsaguy]

As others have said...RUN!!!

As many here know, I have done research in many ballroom studios in the USA, and have interviewed people from an even broader base. In short, you are dealing with the exact element of the industry for which the FTC created its guidelines (thanks for already posting those Me). As a customer you are entitled to take your business wherever you'd like, and any "non-compete" isn't worth the paper its written on. Likewise, if you want the remainder of any paid lessons, those are due to you by law, end of story.

In the bigger picture, do not feel bad about what has happened to you. I also entered ballroom through a chain studio (in my case one of the national ones) and dealt with just the type of tactics you describe. As others have noted, its possible to add dancing to your life in a very positive way and without the extremes suggested by your initial forays. It would be a lie to suggest that private lessons, competitions, and showcases are cheap, but there are certainly reasonable means of participating in these, and no responsible studio or instructor will push you beyond your means.

[piimapoika]

Get out of there fast. They are CROOKS. When I was doing my gold I was paying eight shillings and sixpence per week for lessons. Over 40 years ago but still . . . and I paid by the lesson, not up front. You already know enough stuff to have fun dancing. Go to socials, practice what you know: if you have any money spend it on dresses and shoes. Leave the lessons for a while. Have FUN!!

[Tenehill]

I'm new to dance - began lessons in August at a local chain studio in the American South (not nationwide). I'm in my mid-30's and have no intention of becoming a pro, or even looking like one - my focus is on losing weight, gaining fitness and grace and having fun!


I know this will make many people here angry, but here's how you can reduce your expenses to almost zero compared to the previous ones.


Don't take private lessons. Exclude the words "my instructor", "book a lesson", "advance payment", "pro" from your speech.

Find a university ballroom group. Usually, they are open for everybody. Will cost 20-200 dollars per semester, that is one or more weekly lessons, and perhaps some little practice. The teaching there is irregular, often off-schedule, but sometimes can be astonishingly good. The secret to succeed there is to be persistent and not to quit if one lesson turns out useless for you.

Take group lessons before the socials in the studios. They are often short and free.

Get videos from library. Also, you can order online. The choice is huge, but keep in mind that 50% of DVDs are flops - the teachers there don't even bother to bend their knees while showing a step in foxtrot. You can definitely find ratings and well-known series if you ask here. The ones with Theresa Mason are excellent.

Get two good books. They will explain in detail the same things that a private teacher will explain to you during a lesson.

Get a partner, even for a short term.

Go to lots of social dances.

Join USA Dance.

Stop competing; switch to volunteering. With this, you may get free and simple choreography lessons.

Take videos of your dancing. Do it yourself or with the help of friends - no professionals required. Gather all your courage, and watch them.



All these will slow down your development substantially, perhaps ten times. But are you in a rush? If no, then use that to your advantage! You can always return to taking private lessons (once you become rich again ;)).

From your goals, the following is achievable.

Losing weight may or may not happen - depends on the amount of sweat, and other factors. You may as well gain weight as muscles grow. However, in long term, some weight loss is likely.

Huge amount of fitness and health will be gained, but two hours of intense dancing per week are required.

Is gaining grace a noble goal! I haven't heard such a wish before.
The gaining of grace will happen, with a speed depending on your talent.

Fun will come automatically. I bet the amount of fun will go up enormously once you stop spending thousands of dollars, switching to dozens of dollars.

[JANATHOME]

I am not sure I read this right but are there lessons that are already paid for that they wont schedule unless you buy the next package? I certainly would not buy anyomroe lessons there, go elsewhere but If I had paid lessons I dont know that I would walk away from that either. I myself would insist we schedule this lessons or give me a refund. This is a lot of money to walk away from. It is stuff like this that gives reputable chain studios a bad rap.

[QPO]

I don't believe they can ask you to pay more before they honor your original contract. In Australia we have consumer affairs and you can seek free advice and show them the contract. If there is anything illegal they will contact the business (anonymously) and check out their practices, if they have contravened the law they will be prosecuted. I would not give them anymore money. The amount is outrageous.

[ChaChaMama]

I agree that you should RUN.

I would not even bother taking the lessons left on your package. Sounds like a toxic environment. The lessons themselves may be fun, but that kind of psychological pressure tactic is not going to help your overall happiness or sense of well-being.

I would also add that it is the bad apples like the studio you are dealing with--and there are others like this as well--that make me feel like the NDCA would benefit from adopting a Code of Ethics explicitly prohibiting this kind of tactic, and suspending members who do not abide by it. Every now and then, a studio like this gets a major media expose and it makes the whole industry look bad.

[JANATHOME]

Would a chain that has thier own closed comps and does not attend NDCA comps fall under thier guidelines?

[etp777]

Not sure how having closed comps would be predatory?

[Warren J. Dew]

I would also add that it is the bad apples like the studio you are dealing with--and there are others like this as well--that make me feel like the NDCA would benefit from adopting a Code of Ethics explicitly prohibiting this kind of tactic, and suspending members who do not abide by it. Every now and then, a studio like this gets a major media expose and it makes the whole industry look bad.

I'd note that this chain may not even be an NDCA member.

[dancepro]

Would a chain that has thier own closed comps and does not attend NDCA comps fall under thier guidelines?

I am not saying that I really know all the rules and regulations.

The NDCA has on their web-site a page for member organizations. One should assume that if a member organization is listed that they should follow the guideline that NDCA has outlined. I know that competition with a very little number of entries are exempt from some of the NDCA rules. I think the best think to do it to check with the NDCA to make sure if a competition falls under the NDCA guideline. I suggest to look at the NDCA website and check with one of the officers on the board.

Dancepro

[SDsalsaguy]

I'd note that this chain may not even be an NDCA member.
Likely not. Similarly, unless the pro(s) in question were registrants and participated at NDCA events, the NDCA's opinion would have no bearing. That said, the more public and vociferous the NDCA can be with what constitutes acceptable studio & instructor practices, the easier it will be for individuals (such as the OP) to know what to take as warning signs.

[Bella]

holy ****, and I thought my lessons now are pretty expensive, but they're top US pros, can't complain. I'd suggest seeking a different studio/coach, where are you located, maybe some of us could help...

[cornutt]

Would a chain that has thier own closed comps and does not attend NDCA comps fall under thier guidelines?

(I home I'm addressing the right question...)

Not necessarily. I wouldn't like it, but it works for some people. Sometimes people who would be too scared to attend an NDCA comp feel more at home in the cozier confines of a chain comp. They'll know at least some of the other participants, and presumably everyone will be dancing to the same syllabus, plus there's likely to just be less competition.

Having said that, the cost of chain comps are sometimes way out of line. An in-studio chain comp with 75 participants should not cost more than an NDCA comp. And the actual competition may be nonexistent; with categories and age groups micro-divided, it's possible that the bulk of the events may be uncontested, and then it's just basically an excuse for a party. But as I said, this is what works for some folks.

[dlgodud]

Wow!!! It is really expensive.

I take classes in New York with good teahcers, but never spend that much money. Well, I would suggest you might need to find another studio.

Good luck to you!!!1

[ChaChaMama]

Likely not. Similarly, unless the pro(s) in question were registrants and participated at NDCA events, the NDCA's opinion would have no bearing. That said, the more public and vociferous the NDCA can be with what constitutes acceptable studio & instructor practices, the easier it will be for individuals (such as the OP) to know what to take as warning signs.

I agree 100%.

Ultimately, a widely accepted ethics code starts to enforce itself. Members self-police to a large degree. Furthermore, if professional organizations want to maintain the reputation of their industry, they will get this information out into the public sphere. As information becomes more widely available to the public about what is and what is not standard, acceptable behavior, it becomes harder to operate outside of industry norms.

I would also add that I would not necessarily assume that the only studios which engage in unethical practices (such as putting extreme psychological pressure on students to buy big, expensive packages before they have exhausted the last package) are chains which only do closed, chain comps. That could be the case, but it also could not be.

[SDsalsaguy]

Excellent point CCM. There are chain schools that adhere to the highest standards I've seen, just as their are independent studios that are as problematic as they come.

[jivechica]

I'm speechless!!! Of course dancing can be relatively pricey but that is beyond ridiculous. Aside from running asap, I would suggest looking through some other threads discussing prices so you can get an idea of what people spend on lessons, competitions, etc. Also, if you can get a partner and compete, it will save you a lot of money versus doing pro/am.

Good luck!

[dancepro]

I would also add that I would not necessarily assume that the only studios which engage in unethical practices (such as putting extreme psychological pressure on students to buy big, expensive packages before they have exhausted the last package) are chains which only do closed, chain comps. That could be the case, but it also could not be.

There is business training that train the sales people (dance teachers) to do negative platforming. Using fear as the big motivator. I know that this way of operating does happen in some studios as I have seen it used in a studio that I was invited to do coaching at. I told the owner that either they changed their way of selling or this was the last time I would be coming to the studio. Happy to say, they were open and ready to learn positive platforming.

Dancepro

[3wishes]

PlushDancer, Tenehill gives excellent advise to keep lessons, learning, your goals down to a manageable money level. University, socials, USA Dance, etc etc listed throughout. I also started at a national Chain School that wanted $$ up front before continuing on....hmmmm. RED FLAG WARNING....you need to leave that studio and pro. Regardless of how much emotional connection you have to your teacher/studio/studio pals and such. You'll be more than broke before you know it. Start searching around, make them finish your contract you paid for, and note: the experience of the posters/answers in your question will definately provide you a route to continue dance. Good luck.

[Warren J. Dew]

I am not sure I read this right but are there lessons that are already paid for that they wont schedule unless you buy the next package? I certainly would not buy anyomroe lessons there, go elsewhere but If I had paid lessons I dont know that I would walk away from that either.

I would agree with that.

Just as there are studios that take the money for a contract without teaching all the lessons, I'm sure there are students that take the lessons, then walk away without making all the payments. Studio managers could worry about that if lessons on a contract are being used up faster than the contract is paid off.

I think that after finding alternatives, the original poster might be able to reach an amicable agreement on that. Once it becomes clear that she isn't signing any new contracts, she can reassure the studio that she does intend to honor the existing contracts if the studio also honors its part. She may be shifted to a different instructor, but it should be possible for her to get the rest of her lessons if she wants them.

[danceronice]

Wow. I did the math and what they want for your next packing is more than twice what you'd pay for the same amount of privates and groups at my studio, and it sounds like that's similar to what everyone else here figured.

As everyone's said, run, don't walk, out the door. Finish up if you can't get a refund but don't buy anything else. As everyone's already said there are much better deals to be had.

[DanceMentor]

What if you just spent a few thousand and your instructor leaves or the studio goes out of business or you aren't enjoying it anymore or you find something better?

I wish studios would set up their programs where it is their job to continue to deliver a good service, and if that ever stops happening, you don't have to even ask for a refund. Instead, in this setting, if you are not satisfied, you are in the difficult position of having to ask for a refund, and maybe don't even any assurances that you will get one.

Generally, with expensive items like cars, houses, fitness club memberships, big screen TVs, etc. there are payment plans. Not only that, you can often return the merchandise, and it still has a value, just as the lessons you have not completed still have a value.

Now, there are plenty of cases where students actually WANT to buy 50 or 100 lessons, and receive a nice discount, because they are 100% sure they will take all the lessons. But I find it unfortunate when a studio does not have an affordable plan available for 5 or 10 lessons, and the only option is a large package.

There are even extremely good teachers that are worth their weight in gold that I would not want to commit to 100 lessons. It is nothing personal, but to receive a good education, I may opt to spend several months with one instructor who is good at X, and then move over to an instructor that is good at Y.

And hopefully after I have been taking lessons for a while, I will be a savvy buyer of lessons, and I will know a lot more about what I want. At 10 lessons, I am not a savvy buyer, and I am not enlightened enough to make a wise choice about a long term commitment. I would much rather take small blocks of lessons, and then when I am good and ready, I will commit to a larger package (but not because there was no other reasonable choice).

[nucat78]

An advantage of my indy studio I guess - $130 / month for unlimited group lessons, $55 - $65 for a 50 minute private lessons. No contracts. And you can buy privates in a package IF you want.

The only sales pressure I've gotten is that we are told we will not progress as quickly if we don't dance showcases. Some truth to that - showcase prep makes you focus and really dig in.

I'd run from the OP's place, even if I had to eat some of the cost of a contract.

[latingal]

Plushdancer? I hope you're still out there and we haven't scared you off. Let us know what you decided to do and how things are going!

[Plushdancer]

I'm still here, latingal! Just absorbing what everyone had to say - words can not express how appreciative I am of everyone's perpective! This is exactly what I needed - to hear from those of you who have made a sucessful endeavor of dance without losing your sanity!

Right now, I'm in the "mourning" phase for my pro I think - I did get too attached and it hurts that I've got to move on. Right now, I'm mostly feeling sorry for him. I think he's a good young man that has a lot to offer the world - I think he's just chosen some really bad business mentors. This is not the first "predatory" business he's found himself in - the first one kept him up nights and he had to get out. I don't think he's realized yet that he's just chosen a flashier one this time. Unfortunatley, its not something I can change, nor is it something I can overlook.

I'm also digesting the fact that even though I have a few privates and a bunch of group lessons left, I just don't think I can go back and take them. I think for my own emotional health I need to take the "run away fast" advice. I can't imagine being at the studio without tears.

The good part, though, is that this sadness does NOT extend to dance itself. I am BEYOND excited to get back out there and find new and exciting ways to advance! I think the first thing I'm going to do is take a couple of university classes with my husband to get him caught up with me. He's actually expressed interest in competing with me someday!

Thank you all SO much for sharing with me! I hope to be around for a long time, sharing my own learned perspectives and telling you about the other more positives adventures I will have in dance!

Alison

[WaltzElf]

Is... is dancing in America really that expensive? That's utterly insane.

In Australia we don't have any chain studios (aside from a few Arthur Murrays, which no one who is serious about dancing goes to), and we pay a flat fee of between $60 and $100 a lesson depending on the teacher. We pay by the lesson, and that's it. That's the only expense, if we don't wish to do anything else.



Frankly, any other costing system is grossly unfair.

[dancingirldancing]

I never pay more that $75 in Australia for an hour lesson even then it was with top coaches.

[fascination]

I'm still here, latingal! Just absorbing what everyone had to say - words can not express how appreciative I am of everyone's perpective! This is exactly what I needed - to hear from those of you who have made a sucessful endeavor of dance without losing your sanity!

Right now, I'm in the "mourning" phase for my pro I think - I did get too attached and it hurts that I've got to move on. Right now, I'm mostly feeling sorry for him. I think he's a good young man that has a lot to offer the world - I think he's just chosen some really bad business mentors. This is not the first "predatory" business he's found himself in - the first one kept him up nights and he had to get out. I don't think he's realized yet that he's just chosen a flashier one this time. Unfortunatley, its not something I can change, nor is it something I can overlook.

I'm also digesting the fact that even though I have a few privates and a bunch of group lessons left, I just don't think I can go back and take them. I think for my own emotional health I need to take the "run away fast" advice. I can't imagine being at the studio without tears.

The good part, though, is that this sadness does NOT extend to dance itself. I am BEYOND excited to get back out there and find new and exciting ways to advance! I think the first thing I'm going to do is take a couple of university classes with my husband to get him caught up with me. He's actually expressed interest in competing with me someday!

Thank you all SO much for sharing with me! I hope to be around for a long time, sharing my own learned perspectives and telling you about the other more positives adventures I will have in dance!

Alisonso glad to hear this...believe me there are many, many extremely high quality studios that will sell you one lesson at a time...I take with one of the top pros in the US and I take one lesson at a time, prior to that I also took with a good pro and paid by the lesson... they don't need to lock me into a big package because they know they can get business...you will find another dance home though I can appreciate the pain of losing your current one...as to the attachment to your pro...cough...that is also difficult, but if he is bright he will find a way to move himself to a better system just as you are doing...and you can't make care-taking him your mission...in the end you might both end up resenting that...you will both be fine...and kudos on having a spouse that will dance with you...this also helps as you can take lessons together which saves some dough...and you can feel comfy about a pro of either gender...good luck to you...I also recommend going to a local open competition...see who's winning...that will likely be a good place to start in terms of where to inquire..

[Warren J. Dew]

Is... is dancing in America really that expensive?

No. For things that are comparable to what you're talking about, costs are also comparable.

The high per lesson rates the original poster saw are due to the high overheads that kind of studio has. As this thread illustrates, they don't tend to hang on to their students for long. As a result, their sales expenses are very high.

[WaltzElf]

I never pay more that $75 in Australia for an hour lesson even then it was with top coaches.


How do you talk down Adam Reeve and Richard Morrisey? Because they're both over $75 a hour.

[fascination]

let's stay on topic...or p.m please...thanks

[fascination]

No. For things that are comparable to what you're talking about, costs are also comparable.

The high per lesson rates the original poster saw are due to the high overheads that kind of studio has. As this thread illustrates, they don't tend to hang on to their students for long. As a result, their sales expenses are very high.
exactly ...and if folks are curious we have some threads where folks list their current cost for lessons...they are not all as prohibitive as this set-up

[dlgodud]

I once paid $95 for a 45 minutes latin lesson in New York City. The teacher was a retired blackpool semi-finalist. I've heard some ballroom teachers charge $120 for a 45 minute lesson.

[fascination]

sure...this will vary by geography and skill...but these may also be the same teachers who will charge one lesson at a time...and whose information per lesson is the equivalant to what some folks only recieve over the course of several months....

[dlgodud]

I'm still here, latingal! Just absorbing what everyone had to say - words can not express how appreciative I am of everyone's perpective! This is exactly what I needed - to hear from those of you who have made a sucessful endeavor of dance without losing your sanity!

Right now, I'm in the "mourning" phase for my pro I think - I did get too attached and it hurts that I've got to move on. Right now, I'm mostly feeling sorry for him. I think he's a good young man that has a lot to offer the world - I think he's just chosen some really bad business mentors. This is not the first "predatory" business he's found himself in - the first one kept him up nights and he had to get out. I don't think he's realized yet that he's just chosen a flashier one this time. Unfortunatley, its not something I can change, nor is it something I can overlook.

I'm also digesting the fact that even though I have a few privates and a bunch of group lessons left, I just don't think I can go back and take them. I think for my own emotional health I need to take the "run away fast" advice. I can't imagine being at the studio without tears.

The good part, though, is that this sadness does NOT extend to dance itself. I am BEYOND excited to get back out there and find new and exciting ways to advance! I think the first thing I'm going to do is take a couple of university classes with my husband to get him caught up with me. He's actually expressed interest in competing with me someday!

Thank you all SO much for sharing with me! I hope to be around for a long time, sharing my own learned perspectives and telling you about the other more positives adventures I will have in dance!

Alison

Good luck to you! I am glad you finally decided to move on.

[dancepro]

I'm still here, latingal! Just absorbing what everyone had to say - words can not express how appreciative I am of everyone's perpective! This is exactly what I needed - to hear from those of you who have made a sucessful endeavor of dance without losing your sanity!

Right now, I'm in the "mourning" phase for my pro I think - I did get too attached and it hurts that I've got to move on. Right now, I'm mostly feeling sorry for him. I think he's a good young man that has a lot to offer the world - I think he's just chosen some really bad business mentors. This is not the first "predatory" business he's found himself in - the first one kept him up nights and he had to get out. I don't think he's realized yet that he's just chosen a flashier one this time. Unfortunatley, its not something I can change, nor is it something I can overlook.

I'm also digesting the fact that even though I have a few privates and a bunch of group lessons left, I just don't think I can go back and take them. I think for my own emotional health I need to take the "run away fast" advice. I can't imagine being at the studio without tears.

The good part, though, is that this sadness does NOT extend to dance itself. I am BEYOND excited to get back out there and find new and exciting ways to advance! I think the first thing I'm going to do is take a couple of university classes with my husband to get him caught up with me. He's actually expressed interest in competing with me someday!

Thank you all SO much for sharing with me! I hope to be around for a long time, sharing my own learned perspectives and telling you about the other more positives adventures I will have in dance!

Alison

Dear Alison,

Great to hear you are still here. I think we were all getting a little worried about you.

It sounds like you have a good plan. That is a great idea for you and your husband to go together and experience dancing together. The university classes is a great way for the two of you to get your barrings and find out where it will take you next. I am sure everybody here will be happy to hear that you are on a new and positive track. I am also sure we all look forward to have you sharing your wisdom with us all here at DF. Glad to have been of help.

I regards to your teacher. He has to go his own path and learn from his own mistakes. Who know maybe loosing you as a student makes him look at the environment that he is in and change it for the better. Maybe you were the messenger that he needed to get out or at least you planted the seed that will one day take him out of there, only time will tell.

Dancepro

[skipper]

I once paid $95 for a 45 minutes latin lesson in New York City. The teacher was a retired blackpool semi-finalist. I've heard some ballroom teachers charge $120 for a 45 minute lesson.
In NYC this is true.

[fascination]

and elsewhere as well

[DL]

I once paid $95 for a 45 minutes latin lesson in New York City. The teacher was a retired blackpool semi-finalist. I've heard some ballroom teachers charge $120 for a 45 minute lesson.

I've heard some numbers even higher than that for truly world-class instructors. Knowing the reputations associated with the *specific* names I heard, I believe they are entitled to charge the unusually high rates that they do. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's worth that much *to me* (as opposed, say, to a competing pro with a pro partner, career considerations, and a 30 hr/week practice commitment) to go take a lesson -- however good -- at that rate.

Dancing has real costs, and it's definitely possible to spend too much or too little in the attempt to derive optimum value for one's own goals and circumstances.

Let me be clear though that I agree with everyone else here that $15k in 6 months (and a request for another $9k) sounds like a horror story.

Consider, too, what value that money would have to you if you spent it in different ways. For example, $24k+ would have paid for my first car (which I'm still driving 9 years later) and a good chunk of the maintenance I've sunk into it -- and I was allowed 3 years at 0% interest to pay the purchase price.

Am I saying, "don't spend money on dancing?" Certainly not! But be ever-mindful of the value you receive in your life in exchange for your hard-earned $$$s, whether they're spent on dancing or anything else.

Anyway, OP's news about switching to a university program and dancing with her husband definitely sounds like a good new direction -- particularly if it will bolster rather than strain the marriage. It certainly seems as though there's good value there! (However note that there are plenty of threads on that topic, too; some of what's needed to make that successful has nothing to do with money. Having never been married, and being mindful of straying off topic, I won't say more than that.)

[tanya_the_dancer]

I once paid $95 for a 45 minutes latin lesson in New York City. The teacher was a retired blackpool semi-finalist. I've heard some ballroom teachers charge $120 for a 45 minute lesson.

We had a visiting coach from East Coast, I believe, (I am not going to say who), who charged close to $200 an hour. The studio had some trouble filling up her schedule, because of the price, since it is more than double of local rate for someone good.

[Warren J. Dew]

Let me be clear though that I agree with everyone else here that $15k in 6 months (and a request for another $9k) sounds like a horror story.

I'd note that there are probably a fair number of competitors that spend $15k in six months, especially if you include competition expenses, travel and hotel. As with many hobbies, some people spend a lot on this one.

Regarding the very high rates for visiting coaches on occasion: covering travel expenses can push rates much higher than they would otherwise be.

[3wishes]

Good decision Plushdancer (Alison). Once you start your search, you may find more opportunities than you could ever have imagined (-: In venues and places - that are not necessarily "dance schools/studios" per se. Smile that your husband is interested! Something many women hope for...at times....(-:. giggle. My pro (who is independent - meaning he is not associated with a dance school) travels to his students or we meet at an agreed to venue. He charges $75 per 50 minutes (doesn't matter if it's just me or me and my husband) and we spend 10 minutes discussing goals, upcoming events - not just competitions or showcases but also local items of the day such as a "vintage ball" put on by the local social society to raise money for a good cause...universities that put together specific events, not just competitions/showcases, for reasons that would lend the university to community involvement. Now, also my pro teaches group classes at a community center - and the class for drop-in is $10 (one american smooth and one american rhythm - same night) or $120 for a series of group lessons. Then they have a 45 minute "party" immediately afterwards which is free. However, the party normally goes to 11 p.m. sometimes midnight as there is quite the crowd. If you stay past the 45 minutes after the group lesson - then it's 5 bucks. Sometimes, due to whatever the circumstances, there are not many people at the group lesson - and it totally becomes a very individual lesson. Just a little insight from someone who has been there and "done that." WHEW! Good Luck to you in you (and yours) dancing. (-:

[latingal]

I'm glad you're still with us Plushdancer!

I'm in the "mourning" phase for my pro I think - I did get too attached and it hurts that I've got to move on.

Some of us do tend to get attached to partners, pros/instructors, the dance community etc. But I'm glad you have decided to make a change, the mental and financial cost seemed to be too high in that situation.

I'm also digesting the fact that even though I have a few privates and a bunch of group lessons left, I just don't think I can go back and take them. I think for my own emotional health I need to take the "run away fast" advice.

Do what you have to do to be able to make the break. If you don't think you could take the lessons without more anguish or withstand the pressure of the sell tactics I'd do the same. Run and don't look back.

I am BEYOND excited to get back out there and find new and exciting ways to advance! I think the first thing I'm going to do is take a couple of university classes with my husband to get him caught up with me.

This is great!

I hope to be around for a long time, sharing my own learned perspectives and telling you about the other more positives adventures I will have in dance!

We certainly look forward to having you share your experiences here! Keep us updated!

Best of luck to you and GO FOR IT!

[Stagekat]

This is what I get for disappearing from DF for a bit... :p Welcome to DF Plushdancer!!!

I agree with the vast majority of what has been advised and am VERY glad you're moving forward with such a positive outlook. You know we're all here to help if you need it!

[nucat78]

Do what you have to do to be able to make the break. If you don't think you could take the lessons without more anguish or withstand the pressure of the sell tactics I'd do the same. Run and don't look back.



Don't be surprised though if you get several calls and / or emails from the studio asking where you are, etc, if you don't inform them you're leaving (or why).

It might seem cowardly to some, but sometimes to save oneself one has to just leave a situation without a word or backward glance.

[elisedance]

Not cowardly at all - often the bravest step (for example, just talk to someone who has suffered spousal abuse...)

[reb]

Plushdancer - its good you had the courage to ask with such clarity and glad to hear you are moving on.

Keep us up to speed about your journey - that's where the real fun is - the journey.




And as shown here, we're good for lots of advice!

[jerseydancer]

I also apparently signed a "non-compete" contract with them that says I can't fraternize with other studios. Good grief - I'm starting to sound like I sold my soul!!!

It is not your job. This contract means absolutely nothing. Honestly, sounds that this studio needs someone with a good attorney to set them straight. This smells like money extortion to me. Where are you located geographically?

[jerseydancer]

run away as fast as you can..even if you lose money, you will save it in the long run...there are excellent studios that do not operate this way...RUN

Run away? Slam them with the letter from your attorney if they do not honor what you paid for, and demand the refund. I think we all should be a team and just expose practices like that. This is criminal behavior. Cannot wait to read until the end of this stand

[jerseydancer]

Plushdancer, happy to know that you are doing well. Dancing with your husband may the best idea. I dance with my husband AM/AM and we have time of our life together. AM competitions are not that expensive, and we only pay as we go for the private lessons. This way when we can control how much we spend, we take 4-5 private lessons per week when we can afford it, when it gets tight with the money we slow down to 1-2 privates but do more practice ourself in local health club, or go to socials.

Good luck! I am still very angry about that studio, I wish that I know who they are, so I can warm my friends from going there.

[Plushdancer]

Thank you again for all the kind words - I'm not going to name the studio or be more specific about its location, simply because I do have a great deal of respect for the people involved, including my pro. My issue is with the management who teaches and guides them in these business practices. I will be sure to relay my concerns directly to my pro and if I can make a difference in how he grows into dance management, then I will have done some good.

[Plushdancer]

Oh, and as for an attorney - my husband is one and he is CHOMPING at the bit to unleash his legal skills on them. I'm hoping to resolve things a but more peacefully, but if I have to I will release the hounds!

[SDsalsaguy]

Oh, and as for an attorney - my husband is one and he is CHOMPING at the bit to unleash his legal skills on them. I'm hoping to resolve things a but more peacefully, but if I have to I will release the hounds!
Excellent to know Plushdancer. Thanks for sharing that.

[samina]

I applaud your decision to cut the chord, Plushdancer. Best wishes as you move on...and wishing you happy dancing with your hubby! There are many wonderful dance communities out there... :)

[reb]

Oh, and as for an attorney - my husband is one and he is CHOMPING at the bit to unleash his legal skills on them. I'm hoping to resolve things a but more peacefully, but if I have to I will release the hounds!

Release the hounds!







I'm not encouraging - I just like saying that . . .

[cornutt]

Hey Plushdancer, glad you checked back in. Let us know how it goes.

[wooh]

Release the hounds!







I'm not encouraging - I just like saying that . . .

Having two bagles (aka basset/beagle mixes), I get to say it every time I let the dogs out for a pee break.:cool: It does have a certain ring to it.:D

[samina]

Release the hounds!







I'm not encouraging - I just like saying that . . .


it was actually my first thought...let the hounds go have some fun! ;)

[contracheck]

I once paid $95 for a 45 minutes latin lesson in New York City. The teacher was a retired blackpool semi-finalist. I've heard some ballroom teachers charge $120 for a 45 minute lesson.

New jersey Chamber of Commerce will welcome you. I know some great coaches in a great NJ studio, who are also top notch competiors, who charge $65/45 min that include everyhting including floor fee.

[Nik]

HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Showcase Routine (25 lessons, choreography) - $5000

That is $200 per lesson?!?!?!?!?! WOW am I undercharging or what.



I am heavily involved in running a dance studio and I have never even dreamed of prices like that. This kind of stuff really pisses me off, how these franchise studios just straight up rob people. This place should be shut down with the stuff you posted.

I didn't read the whole thread but sounds like you already got all the advice you need. Individual instructor and paying for lessons or classes that you take that day is the way to go.

[elisedance]

It would be cheaper to commute and take two lessons at a time from you Nik :)
:rolleyes:

[QPO]

I hate it when some organizations take advantage of people that don't know the market rates are. Unfortunately most people don't do their homework and they hope for that.
Very unethical but somehow they can live with it.

I am glad thought it has had a good outcome. I wish you the best for your dancing future.

[dlgodud]

New jersey Chamber of Commerce will welcome you. I know some great coaches in a great NJ studio, who are also top notch competiors, who charge $65/45 min that include everyhting including floor fee.

Yes, I know that. But the problem is I don't have a car plus I work in the city. ;)

[contracheck]

Yes, I know that. But the problem is I don't have a car plus I work in the city. ;)
Not a valid excuse!! There is a handy bus service between NYC and this particular NJ studio. The bus service is so convenient that even those who have cars, including pros, use the bus. Big floors, several all mirrored rooms, firendly people, and you can use its facility as long as you desire before or after the lesson. The proprietor has never bothered me even if I stay there all day and most of the night. This is not a cut-throat place like NYC.

[dlgodud]

Not a valid excuse!! There is a handy bus service between NYC and this particular NJ studio. The bus service is so convenient that even those who have cars, including pros, use the bus. Big floors, several all mirrored rooms, firendly people, and you can use its facility as long as you desire before or after the lesson. The proprietor has never bothered me even if I stay there all day and most of the night. This is not a cut-throat place like NYC.

Hahaha...... Ok! You got me! Would you mind let me know the studio name and the location? So I can take a look at it? I have to find out how to get home at night. I live in NJ so I have to figure it out. I will tell you this I won't wait for 30 minutes or something for the bus in the middle of nowhere in NJ, especially in a cold and miserable winter night. :raisebro:

[contracheck]

Hahaha...... Ok! You got me! Would you mind let me know the studio name and the location? So I can take a look at it? I have to find out how to get home at night. I live in NJ so I have to figure it out. I will tell you this I won't wait for 30 minutes or something for the bus in the middle of nowhere in NJ, especially in a cold and miserable winter night. :raisebro:

If you want to be a champion, a little coldness and miserable winter night should not stop you. Remember that Washington crossed the Delaware in the dead of snowy winter to create a new nation. I know a pro, who comes from NYC, waits for the bus inside the comfort of the studio till the bus time, then he steps out. A $65 pro I know is also eager to teach in Saturday and Sunday when there are very few people. See your PM.

[Another Elizabeth]

Oh, and as for an attorney - my husband is one and he is CHOMPING at the bit to unleash his legal skills on them. I'm hoping to resolve things a but more peacefully, but if I have to I will release the hounds!

I think you said you were in a southern state - if it's Florida, tell him to look for a statute that specifically limits advance sales on dance lessons. (Heck, have him look no matter what state it is, but I know that Florida has one.)

Good luck! Even if you're not really going to unleash the hounds, I would totally let him write a letter pointing out the antitrust implications of their "noncompete" clause - make them sweat a little.

[Indiana_Jay]

I think you said you were in a southern state - if it's Florida, tell him to look for a statute that specifically limits advance sales on dance lessons. (Heck, have him look no matter what state it is, but I know that Florida has one.)

Good luck! Even if you're not really going to unleash the hounds, I would totally let him write a letter pointing out the antitrust implications of their "noncompete" clause - make them sweat a little.

Because it won't cost you anything, this isn't a bad idea -- if only to try to scare them into changing their tactics before the next new student walks in the studio.

[fascination]

Run away? Slam them with the letter from your attorney if they do not honor what you paid for, and demand the refund. I think we all should be a team and just expose practices like that. This is criminal behavior. Cannot wait to read until the end of this stand
rest assured, since my spouse is also an attorney...that would be step 2 after running away:cool:...and it wouldn't be pretty

[fascination]

lol...but I will add that that is never really a piece of info that I would advocate sharing too soon at studio ;)...as it is often percieved as being synonymouse to having deep pockets

[Bella]

I'm also digesting the fact that even though I have a few privates and a bunch of group lessons left, I just don't think I can go back and take them. I think for my own emotional health I need to take the "run away fast" advice. I can't imagine being at the studio without tears.

The good part, though, is that this sadness does NOT extend to dance itself. I am BEYOND excited to get back out there and find new and exciting ways to advance!

Alison


Alison - I'm so happy to hear you say this. I've been in a similar situation, not so much money involved, but feelings very invested. I knew immediately if I couldn't go to studio where I wanted to cry I had to leave. Not necessarily run away, but to face the disappointments, learn, grow, and move on. How is this situation helping me? My dancing? My health? It is (to date) the best decision I have made in my dance life. Good luck to you sweetie!

[fascination]

I echo bella's sentiments...one of the most difficult things I have ever had to do--and believe me I have not led a charmed life-- has been to separate my personal attachments from my dance goals...it is a process...but it has to be done...hugs

[Bella]

I see more and more everyday that I'm not alone in this. Absolutely the hardest and best decision I've made. Maybe I should thank this person... being young and having lessons learned this early may be more sweet than bitter. Fascination is right - this is a process. I've been upset, then angry, and finally at the stage where I'm ready to let go.

May each obstacle make you stronger and more defined.

Endless hugs & kisses <3 xoxo

[Plushdancer]

Thank you, Bella - that was very sweetly put and helpful for me today. Its amazing how quickly we get emotionally involved in dance and all that comes with it. I feel like I'm in the "depression" stage of my five stages of grief over the loss of this experience. I'm just about at the final stage of acceptance though and that's when I know I'll really be able to get out and start exploring my new options!

[danceronice]

Hey, sometimes what seems like a terrible situation works out way better than you could have anticipated. Believe me, been there! And I would not be with the great pros I have now if I hadn't had the bad experience first.

[Bella]

Thank you, Bella - that was very sweetly put and helpful for me today. Its amazing how quickly we get emotionally involved in dance and all that comes with it. I feel like I'm in the "depression" stage of my five stages of grief over the loss of this experience. I'm just about at the final stage of acceptance though and that's when I know I'll really be able to get out and start exploring my new options!


Exactly! We'll all get through this together, with a little help from our DF friends... :)

xoxo

[nucat78]

...one of the most difficult things I have ever had to do-- has been to separate my personal attachments from my dance goals...it is a process...but it has to be done...

I'm almost there...

[fascination]

Thank you, Bella - that was very sweetly put and helpful for me today. Its amazing how quickly we get emotionally involved in dance and all that comes with it. I feel like I'm in the "depression" stage of my five stages of grief over the loss of this experience. I'm just about at the final stage of acceptance though and that's when I know I'll really be able to get out and start exploring my new options!a word of warnign about the stages of grief...almost no one cycles through them in that order....they pop in and out of the various stages on and off until one sticks...hopefully it will be acceptance

[fascination]

I'm almost there...
ah, but but almost only counts in horseshoes...sorry

[fascination]

Hey, sometimes what seems like a terrible situation works out way better than you could have anticipated. Believe me, been there! And I would not be with the great pros I have now if I hadn't had the bad experience first.
true...but it takes a long time for that consolation to be in the forefront...one can be exccedingly grateful, even excited over their new prospects, and in pain at the same time ...but sure...one learns to walk with pain until it becomes less perceptable less often

[jerseydancer]

If you want to be a champion, a little coldness and miserable winter night should not stop you. Remember that Washington crossed the Delaware in the dead of snowy winter to create a new nation. I know a pro, who comes from NYC, waits for the bus inside the comfort of the studio till the bus time, then he steps out. A $65 pro I know is also eager to teach in Saturday and Sunday when there are very few people. See your PM.

Please tell me where is that studio. That is studio I am looking for. We have plenty of time during weekends for lessons but many places just closed on Sunday

[Bella]

a word of warnign about the stages of grief...almost no one cycles through them in that order....they pop in and out of the various stages on and off until one sticks...hopefully it will be acceptance

Absolutely. That is certainly the ideal result - acceptance. You're ok one day, then you're not, then you are, then you're not.... 1 step back, but always a leap forward :)

Thanks for pointing that out fasci.

[fascination]

lol...that's what they keep me around here for ;)

[jerseydancer]

You are all so nice. I have changed during last 15 years. I have started to think: this is my money, this is my time, and this is my life. And that definitely helps to take few things much more easily than when I was younger.

[fascination]

agree

[Bella]

You are all so nice. I have changed during last 15 years. I have started to think: this is my money, this is my time, and this is my life. And that definitely helps to take few things much more easily than when I was younger.

Yes, I agree too. And I can be walking proof of that - It could very well be due to my youth. When one thing goes wrong - it's the end of the world. But I'm learning... and growing... and dancing!

[jerseydancer]

I think we often have tendency to blame ourselves too much, and that habit is very hard to break. It is gets easier as you get older so. At least one benefit of getting older:)

[Bella]

Looks like I'm still angry....

*breatheeeee*

[reb]

lol...that's what they keep me around here for ;)

for grief? :D

[fascination]

pretty much ;)

[Plushdancer]

So you may remember that I posted about a month ago about the dance studio that I was working with who was taking all my money and breaking my heart.

A couple of weeks ago, I drafted a letter to them, explaining why I would not be back to their studio. I asked for a refund of my unused classes and for an accounting of how much I still owed them on my payment plan for the classes I had already taken. I also attached a copy of the FTC warnings regarding dance studio practices (thanks to a couple of people on here who provided that to me! Came in very handy!). I told them that I had since done my research and was in communication with dancers across the country (that would be you guys) who assured me that this was not how the dance business needed to be run!

To their credit, they completely wiped out any remaining debt I had - I refused to read the note that came along with that news - had my husband read it for me, and he did say it was quite manipulative and still trying to get me back. Oh, well.

The good news is that tonight I have my first lesson with a new teacher at a local independent studio - no contracts, no curriculum, no robotically trained dance teachers using the same tired compliments. I'm excited!!!

Thanks again to ALL of you for your support during such a hard time in my young dance life!


Alison

[sambagirl]

Congratulations! Now you can focus on DANCING. Enjoy!

[Indiana_Jay]

:bouncy::rocker::banana::applause:

[3wishes]

Hi Ho, Hi Ho, It's off to DANCE you go!!! Congratulations on taking a stand with something so very wrong and HUGS to your future dancing learning experience with your new instructor/studio.

[SDsalsaguy]

Congratulations! Now you can focus on DANCING. Enjoy!
Ditto!!! Best wishes for all the enjoyment in the world from your continued dancing! :cheers:

[cornutt]

Plushdancer, thanks for checking in. Good to hear that it worked out for you. Keep in touch and let us know how it's going.

[fascination]

excellent!!!...and there is one of the major strong suits of DF...cuz who knows that stuff when they walk in?...so happy for you plush

[elisedance]

lovely to hear such a happy outcome - and DF can all feel a little glow of goodness :)

[latingal]

Very, very happy to hear the news Plush! Please post again after a lesson or two and let us know how it's going!!!

[emeralddancer]

Congrats and such wonderful news! Now you can completely focus on what you love! Woot Woot!

[lcdancesport]

Congratulations, now you're taking a "step" in the right direction. :) Happy dancing!

[nucat78]

I love my indy - no contracts, etc. (Not a slam against those who love their chain.)

[NonieS]

So you may remember that I posted about a month ago about the dance studio that I was working with who was taking all my money and breaking my heart.

A couple of weeks ago, I drafted a letter to them, explaining why I would not be back to their studio. I asked for a refund of my unused classes and for an accounting of how much I still owed them on my payment plan for the classes I had already taken. I also attached a copy of the FTC warnings regarding dance studio practices (thanks to a couple of people on here who provided that to me! Came in very handy!). I told them that I had since done my research and was in communication with dancers across the country (that would be you guys) who assured me that this was not how the dance business needed to be run!

To their credit, they completely wiped out any remaining debt I had - I refused to read the note that came along with that news - had my husband read it for me, and he did say it was quite manipulative and still trying to get me back. Oh, well.

The good news is that tonight I have my first lesson with a new teacher at a local independent studio - no contracts, no curriculum, no robotically trained dance teachers using the same tired compliments. I'm excited!!!

Thanks again to ALL of you for your support during such a hard time in my young dance life!


Alison


Congrats Alison!!! Wish you the very best :D Let us know how it goes!!!