A little help with 10 seconds of walk ?

[Mario7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Vgupe7yCc&feature=related
Here's a top notch Salon Tango dancer doing something that I haven't
seen before with his walk. From 30 seconds in to 40 seconds, he is going
forward (sideways) and shifting his weight in what I call stutter steps..
Is he doing it in sync with the womans cross?? Is he actually walking in
parallel outside woman's right and walking to the cross again and again..
If I watch it another 40 times I will probably get it but I would appreciate
and experienced dancer's read.... and the embrace, I'm guessing is the "V"
and they almost appear to be dancing side by side...and their dance route seems to be at a 45 degree path instead of straight forward...all comments appreciated.
Here's another version of his doing it in a different video..here he is even more obviously
stepping in an unusual walking manner in his first corrida of the floor. Seconds 5 to 21 in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3aGKfCeHdQ&feature=related
Please check it out, too.
I really like how it looks and would like to incorporate it in my own dance if I could just envision
it more clearly. It's an exciting and dynamic way to kick off a dance...would it be hard on the follower??

[Peaches]

In the first one, it looks like he's leading her to a cross and delaying his weight change a bit and crossing behind. She's being led into almost "false" weight changes, it looks like to me...where you'd expect her to place her foot and change weight she doesn't, but instead takes "another" step with her free foot. She's not doing multiple cross in a row, I don't thing, but changing it up a bit. He seems to be playing with that lack of a weight change and delaying his own, crossing behind.

The second video might be the same thing, on his part at least, just done faster. It looks like he's taking an extra step to hers, and switching from "parallel" to "crossed" systems. I think. Really, though, I'm guessing on both of them.

Anyone more experienced have a better idea on this one?

Edit to add: Nice videos, by the way. Thanks for sharing them.

[bordertangoman]

My take on this is fairly simple: he is leading her wieght changes with his torso ( as this pure milonguero) and moving his own feet with a lot of dissociaton so she is followng his torso lead not his feet.

and thank you for the videos.i enjoyed them.

[Angel HI]

Salut Mario,

Unless I am missing something, I do not see the query. This is, actually, a quite common caminada (caminar); I use it often both in class and in dance. When we dance, we always dance in ones and threes. That is to say that the impulse for the movements are given in ones and threes...to take one step or three steps before initiating another impulse. Hope this makes sense. For example, let's take the salida basico (side step left for the man); side-forward; followed by the next three steps of the walk and crusada (cruce - lady). You can see how the saida can be moved as one-one; followed by the walk, cross, and man's parada (close) moved as one-two-three.

What I see in the vids, and danced quite often, is where the man dances an extra step, let's say on the 'and' counts while the lady simply dances as normal. If you wish, dance forward three steps beginning w/ the left foot. Now, repeat these steps dancing one-and-two, one-one, one-and-two where the steps would be left-cross behind w/ right-left, 2 walks, then right-cross behind w/ left-right. You have now danced what is on the vids. whether you take the steps more straight forward or forward w/ a slightly sidewards direction is irrelevant. As the lady dances her natural movement (normal basic), you will achieve the look on the vids, no problema.

[Mario7]

What I see in the vids, and danced quite often, is where the man dances an extra step, let's say on the 'and' counts while the lady simply dances as normal. If you wish, dance forward three steps beginning w/ the left foot. Now, repeat these steps dancing one-and-two, one-one, one-and-two where the steps would be left-cross behind w/ right-left, 2 walks, then right-cross behind w/ left-right. You have now danced what is on the vids. whether you take the steps more straight forward or forward w/ a slightly sidewards direction is irrelevant. As the lady dances her natural movement (normal basic), you will achieve the look on the vids, no problema.

..thanks for the deconstruction and simpler way of envisioning it.
Am I right in assuming then, that this is the same as when I skipped down
the sidewalk as a child?? :banana:

[opendoor]

... Here's another version of his doing ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3aGKfCeHdQ ... Please check it out, too....

Hi Mario,
what you see are side-volcadas, done with a very small lean:

at 0:09 he changes into the crossed system by a very slight motion to right,
at 0:10 he changes his track, and makes a back-volcada,
at 0:14 he does a chassé which allows him to continue with the side-volcadas,

You can study a "larger done" side-volcada watching Homer (ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWPd6skz2Go) between 2:18 and 2:22 from a better angle on this vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWPd6skz2Go

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By the way, answering my own question (http://www.dance-forums.com/showpost.php?p=624918&postcount=15) from last year: he is an excellent teacher !

Best regards

[Angel HI]

..thanks for the deconstruction and simpler way of envisioning it.
Am I right in assuming then, that this is the same as when I skipped down
the sidewalk as a child??
Por nada, amigo. Pero, no. It is not a skip, at all, but more of a step (incidentally, not necessarily crossed), danced in contratiempo.
Hi Mario,
what you see are side-volcadas, done with a very small lean:
I believe that this is probably overanalyzing the movement. I really do not necessarily lead, nor see here, a volcada when dancing this movement. Yes, one could, but it is not necessarily the intention. The intention is to syncopate the walks to create a rhythmic pattern of moving in/out of parallel.