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emkey
06-04-2009, 05:48 AM
Hello really helpful people of df!
I started dancing last June and seriously training last september (OMG I just noticed i'm having my first anniversary of dancing) and last January my partner and I competed in my first (her second) competition which was the Annual Philippine Star Ball (what a pic for a first competition... lol the biggest and an international competition at that in the country BUT I GOT TO SEE BEATA!!!)

anyways...

I only saw the scrutelle scores this afternoon even though we already know our results (my partner and I won first in the two syllabus events we entered) and I was wondering if anyone can interpret the rest of the data for me

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3298/3595116518_38e0463880_o.png
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by the way thats me Mark Lester Lacsamana.
I understand the first half of the table where it shows which judge and how they ranked us but I dont understand the +4 +6 and stuff and how its tallied. the judges according to scrutelle was
A Espen Salberg Norway
B Ralf Lepehne Germany
C Stephen Hannah UK
D Aleena Tan Singapore
E jerry Abrate Italy
F Caterina Arzenton Italy
G Richard Morissey Australia
H Akihiro Yokomichi Japan
I Maria Tarsinov USA
J Taliat Tarsinov USA
K Nil
L Didio Barrera USA
M Catia Vanone Italy
N Lawrence Chan Hong Kong
O Chona Mercado Philippines
P Gloria Alcala Philippines
Q Michael Wang Taiwan
R Jerswin Poloyapoy Philippines
S Jojo Carino Philippines
T Carmen Vincelj Germany

etp777
06-04-2009, 06:14 AM
THe columns there are totals/counts of the scores on left.

Take Couples 299 as an example. They had two judges place them in first, which gives you 2 in first column. They had no one place them as second, so that zero is added to the 2 from first column (hence column called 2+, telling you it's been added) which gives you 2 again in second column. One judge gave them a third, so that 1 is added to the 2 from the previous column, to give a 3 in 3+ column. Two judges ranked them fourth, so that 2 is added to the 3 in previous column, and that gives them five, and so on.

The way this works then for final placing is that the couple with the most scores in each column takes that place. So 294, with four judges giving them a first, won first. Couple 299, with a 3 in the 3+ column, got third (322 has more in 3+ column, but the had already been placed second), and so on. Sur eosmeone else will explain it easier and clearer, but it's early, and I haven't had coffee yet. :)

Joe
06-04-2009, 06:33 AM
The number of judges marking each couple in that scoring range (e.g. 3+ is 1st, 2nd or 3rd) is tallied. They start with deciding 1st place. You had a majority of judges marking you 1st (4 of 7) so you got 1st place. No couple had a majority for marks 1-2, so they go to marks 1-3, and couple 322 had a majority there so they were marked 2nd. Couple 299 had a majority for marks 1-4 so they were marked 3rd. Etc. and so on, ad nauseam, subject to various tiebreakers.

emkey
06-04-2009, 07:00 AM
THe columns there are totals/counts of the scores on left.

Take Couples 299 as an example. They had two judges place them in first, which gives you 2 in first column. They had no one place them as second, so that zero is added to the 2 from first column (hence column called 2+, telling you it's been added) which gives you 2 again in second column. One judge gave them a third, so that 1 is added to the 2 from the previous column, to give a 3 in 3+ column. Two judges ranked them fourth, so that 2 is added to the 3 in previous column, and that gives them five, and so on.

The way this works then for final placing is that the couple with the most scores in each column takes that place. So 294, with four judges giving them a first, won first. Couple 299, with a 3 in the 3+ column, got third (322 has more in 3+ column, but the had already been placed second), and so on. Sur eosmeone else will explain it easier and clearer, but it's early, and I haven't had coffee yet. :)

AHH I get it so its for tallying! I see and you mean couple 295 (HEHE my vanity is making me correct this lol)

So can anyone explain what happens in a tie?

Joe
06-04-2009, 07:10 AM
http://www.worldsalsafederation.com/Skating%20System.html (http://www.worldsalsafederation.com/Skating%20System.html)

emkey
06-04-2009, 07:15 AM
http://www.worldsalsafederation.com/Skating%20System.html

thanks joe

etp777
06-04-2009, 08:47 AM
I told ya someone would do a better job of explaining it. :)

LatinDancer006
06-04-2009, 11:09 AM
Wonder if Suburbaknght has a math equation for the relationship between the scores. ;)

emkey
06-04-2009, 11:48 AM
lol I already failed statistics once I dont wanna think of all the sigmas and betas a math question between dances would look like

* head exploads