Enrosque (howto and exercises) ?

[Mladenac]

Hi,

could you tell me some exercises to do enrosque.

There is so upcoming event (festival with workshops) , and I would like to know how to perform it, basics at least.

thanx

[Angel HI]

At its basic point, the enrosque is nothing really but a spiral (this is to say, turn while allowing one leg to twist [spiral] around the other). The exercise: stand with one foot in front and slightly side of the other; without moving the feet, begin a rotation in the direction of the front foot; as the legs come together, relax both knees; without moving the feet, contiue the rotation until the spiral pulls the front foot around the supporting leg; allow the now spiraling leg/foot to slide downward forming a crusada like appearance. There are a couple of differing styles of the enrosque, yet all of them maintain a forward weighted posture, and a transference of weight from the flat of the ball of the foot to more towards the heel.

From one of the better instructional series available, here is Osvaldo Zotto and Mora Godoy's version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7NhYZtR_JI&feature=PlayList&p=B61A3E1498A1B3CE&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=26

Bonne chance.

[opendoor]

Road works ahead. I am dealing with enrosques too, at the time. And, I find them difficult, because you cannot train them out of the water. Means: you have to practise them with a partner, as it is with the colgadas and volcadas.
Enrosques are similar to these figures, because the connection is affected, if you do not dissociate properly, and if you do not have enough spinning energy.

This one works fairly well by now, but it is an easy one. You cannot imagine how I wrinkled my brow, when I had to do it for the first time, then.

0:30 (or 2:12 resp.) in a molinete to the left http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4e27TEvC2U

[dchester]

I was working on enrosques a while back, and I sucked so bad at them, that in the end I concluded it was a stupid move, and that no one should waste their time on them.

In retrospect, maybe I was a bit harsh.

:headwall:

[Subliminal]

I've also been working on these recently, and interestingly enough I've seen two versions from different teachers. The first is my teacher's version... which seems to be the same one in Angel's vid. The energy for the enrosque comes from the momentum of the initial step, usually performed in a sacada. You "wind" yourself up during the first half of the turn, then you can "unwind" and open up in a planeo or a rulo during the second half, or just put on the brakes (drop your heels) if you want to stop. For this one, the feet are very close, like the follower's cross.

The second one was showed to me by another teacher, and looks a little more like the one in opendoor's vid. The teacher pre-wound himself up by snapping his leg behind himself before or during the start of the turn. The cross in this one has to be a little more open (or else your feet will catch each other) because you then use the muscles of your legs and lower body to unwind, keeping yourself moving during the turn.

The main difference seems to be that the first one relies a little more on the follower keeping the momentum going during the turn. You give her a little boost with your initial step, but then it's kind of on her to keep the two of you going. The first one also requires a little more space. The second one can be done in place, and because you are unwinding yourself you have more control over how the turn goes. It's also probably a lot easier than the first one if the floor is sticky. :p

Anyways, that's my take on what I've learned recently...

[opendoor]

By the way, what is a contraenrosque?

[Dave Bailey]

From one of the better instructional series available, here is Osvaldo Zotto and Mora Godoy's version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7NhYZtR_JI&feature=PlayList&p=B61A3E1498A1B3CE&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=26
It's funny, I remember we were taught an enrosque movement very similar to that, as part of a giro sequence, right when we started. I simply could not get it.

Now I do enrosques with giros quite a lot - because it's easier. It's easier to either pre-wind yourself, or to use the wind-up, less shuffling-around needed. I'm lazy, so I do enrosques.

That said, it's only easier if you can rotate naturally leading continuously with your chest, on one point.

[dchester]

It's funny, I remember we were taught an enrosque movement very similar to that, as part of a giro sequence, right when we started. I simply could not get it.

Now I do enrosques with giros quite a lot - because it's easier. It's easier to either pre-wind yourself, or to use the wind-up, less shuffling-around needed. I'm lazy, so I do enrosques.

That said, it's only easier if you can rotate naturally leading continuously with your chest, on one point.
I can do that easily, as long as I don't do an enrosque with it.

:headwall:

[Angel HI]

I am dealing with enrosques too, at the time. And, I find them difficult, because you cannot train them out of the water. Means: you have to practise them with a partner, ....
Untrue. When done correctly, one can certainly practice this alone. There is no great momentum required; it is largely an illusion. The 'momentum' is nothing more than the natural recoil of the body around it's own center whether generated by lead or follow as described in subliminal's post.

[Lui]

The idea of the classic enrosque is to take a step, put weight on that foot, get momentum/ from your torso/hips and turn on that weighted leg. Your free leg will be curled in, so that your former free foot is crossed back. You may now or may not change your weight, therefore your free to go out with any foot you like – just like Zotto does it.

Gustavo, used the unweighted foot to gather momentum using a boleo like movement, while crossing behind. This momentum carried him during rotation while having the feet crossed. As this is a different technique I wouldn’t call this classic enrosque. But I don’t want to step on Gustafs toes, so maybe its the Chilean special enrosque ;). (BTW send him best wishes from Christian and Sonja “la única”) It’s a beautiful step anyway.

I agree with AngelHI, if you need force there is still way/need to optimize. There are several solo exercises for both kind of movement (Zotto, Vidal). However its much better to experience those with a life teacher, for texts are confusing and even a video won’t let you feel the right amount of momentum. (... and I’m not only saying this, because I’m afraid that nobody visits my classes, once they read it here ;) ).

[opendoor]

..send him best wishes from Christian and Sonja “la única”) It’s a beautiful step anyway....

Hi Lui, I will do ! But, tell me, is the "chilenean" one what is also called "contraenrosque"?

WR

[Lui]

The “chilenean" enrosque was just a joke. Just because Gustavo uses a different definition of enrosque than I do, does not mean he is wrong.

Honestly, I don’t have a clue what a “contraenrosque” is. My first guess would be something like an enrosque backwards, you start wrapped up and end open. Another idea: It’s possible that both partners do an enrosque at the same time. Maybe the woman’s enrosque is called "contraenroseque" by some people.
Where have you heard that term?

[opendoor]

“chilenean" enrosque was just a joke... I know :D Where have you heard that term?

First of all I heard Andreas Erbsen (http://www.eltacuari.com) calling a small sequence this way, but I cannot remember the steps, any more.

Yesterday I found this reference:

http://www.salsavancouver.com/tango/symposium/lexicon.htm#Contra-enrosque

WR

PS have you seen this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQdUWQPCeHQ) funny vid, with Raul Bravo cutting Andreas out in the middle of the dance?

[Dave Bailey]

Yesterday I found this reference:

http://www.salsavancouver.com/tango/symposium/lexicon.htm#Contra-enrosque
Errr....

I think the only difference is whether the turn is on the inside or outside foot.

To me, they're both enrosques, just different variations.

[opendoor]

Was this vid already posted? Guillermina & Claudio Villagra with Enrosques. Hard to understand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6DSVGe4iAY

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