Salsa movie for TV...

[etchuck]

Has anyone seen this movie (http://www.erfalathiel.de/annabeth/twsm.html)?

[MacMoto]

No.
I do welcome anything that lets people see salsa dancing, but another movie about romance between a dance student and teacher? It's just so cliched...

Sorry, but I'm getting rather fed up with non-dancing people assuming that, if you like dancing with someone, you must be in love with them... :(

[borikensalsero]

No.
I do welcome anything that lets people see salsa dancing, but another movie about romance between a dance student and teacher? It's just so cliched...

Sorry, but I'm getting rather fed up with non-dancing people assuming that, if you like dancing with someone, you must be in love with them... :(


lolol

Try explaining to a non dancer that you go out every night of the week to dance...

They'll look at you and ask, you get drunk every night? you get laid every night? How do you party so much?

Gee, they just don't get it... They can't understand that it is about dancing not having any kind of romantic/sexual emotion/encounter with random people.

If you finally are able to explain it, ahhhh, that sucks, all you do is dance! You have all these beautiful women all over you, then you leave and that is the end of that? hehehe...

I'm done trying to explain to a non dancer why we dance.

[salsachinita]

8) Tell 'em....! Boriken!

As MacMoto said, I think it's soooooo cliched :roll: ........

I am sure we DF salsaholics will be able to come up with a better plot for a salsa movie that would actually have substance as well as flash....!

How else are we going to build a positive/realistic portrait of this lifestyle we all choose to live :wink: .......?

[jamaicanspice]

maaaan!! I've given up on all these 'cliched' movies.......right now I just watch for the dance and that's it!!!

[pygmalion]

I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but it was SO lame that I can't even remember the least thing that happened in the movie. Wait ... it's coming to me ... no it's not! LOL. That forgettable. :lol:

[jamaicanspice]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: oh that's sad pygmalion!! I usually remember the dance moves at least! 8) it was THAT bad!! :?

[pygmalion]

Yup. That bad. I don't even remember good dancing scenes. Dancing, yes, but good? :roll: :lol:

[jamaicanspice]

Yup. That bad. I don't even remember good dancing scenes. Dancing, yes, but good? :roll: :lol:


:shock: yeeek!! scary!! :?

[SDsalsaguy]

Hmmm, rings a dusty bell but, for the life of me, I can't remember if I actually saw it or not...

[Sakura]

8) Tell 'em....! Boriken!

As MacMoto said, I think it's soooooo cliched :roll: ........

I am sure we DF salsaholics will be able to come up with a better plot for a salsa movie that would actually have substance as well as flash....!

How else are we going to build a positive/realistic portrait of this lifestyle we all choose to live :wink: .......?

*cheers* Yay, Boriken! You've definitely hit the nail on the head! MacMoto and SC, from what I've seen, are definitely right. Why does it seem that most movies centered around dance feel like they have the plot of "teacher and student fall in love?" Especially when it looks like most everyone in the dancing community says that that's a baaad idea... Hmm.

That'd definitely be interesting to see us try and make a movie! *grins* Fun, but veeeeeery interesting! But, SC, with all of the locations we have open to us through the DF Network, where would we choose to film?!

In relation to your last poing, I thought this :arrow: "... and actors who bring the passion of Salsa dancing alive." was interesting. Bringing the passion of Salsa dancing alive, to me, seems like that to be able to say that, they would have to paint the realistic picture, because *that's* where the Passion lives! Going and dancing with one person, falling in love, and living happily ever after only builds a little bit of Passion. It's one story, it's there it's done.
Going and dancing with multiple partners and finding the ones you connect and dance the best with, that's where the real, living, breathing Passion of Salsa comes out! It's more than one story! One that keeps building onto itself, combining, and creating new, beautiful forms that haven't ever been seen by anyone else before! It's about going out, making Connections, and then coming home going, "You know what? I had fun! I met new people, I danced the night away, and now, I'm gonna go get a good night's sleep so I can do it again!" ...At least, that's what I see it as! :D :oops: :D Heh, heh... Might have got a bit Passionate about it myself!

Sakura Kitty :kitty:

[DanceAm]

I saw the movie, it sucked. Since it was about dance, I still watched the whole thing. If you ask me, the movie was a screenplay taken loosely from the lives of Nancy Senner and her instructor Eddie Arryes. (Still not sure of the spelling of his last name.) Except for the movie just being about salsa, the real life involves American Rhythm/Smooth. Nancy ends up in true life winning the pro/am championships. The other difference, Nancy can really dance, it took a while and she really worked at it. There is even a website that tells their true love story. So if the movie is cliche', then Eddie and Nancy's lives must be also.

I actually think every student might have that moment of infatuation with their instructor, I know I did. (But you should see my instructor and what she was wearing one day.)

[danceguy]

Haven't seen the movie either, but some good points have been made. I agree that many people don't seem to understand when I tell them some of my favorite dancer partners are old enough to be my parents...its just a dance, it doesn't mean I'm hot for them... :roll:

But playing the devil's advocate...how many of us have fallen for people while dancing...dated and/or met their SO (or left one because of it) through dance?

If those that are settled down could remember when they were single and out dancing all the time...was your personal life seperate from dance, or was it entirely through dance?

Just a few thoughts...;)

SG

[Sakura]

So if the movie is cliche', then Eddie and Nancy's lives must be also.
....

I actually think every student might have that moment of infatuation with their instructor, I know I did. (But you should see my instructor and what she was wearing one day.)

I think (and this is what *I* think -- others may share the opinion) that what's so cliched about it is that it seems nearly *every* dance movie plot appears (from what I've seen here on DF) to pull the plot of "new student falls in love with teacher, drama, happy ending." I think it's great if it actually were to happen, as was Eddie and Nancy's case, and I'm very happy for them!

******

Acutally, DanceAm, while I've heeded warnings that everyone on DF has given, I will be the first to admit that when I first saw my teacher I went, " :shock: :shock: Whoa! :oops: He's so cute! Am I blushing?! Ah! He's coming over! *trying to be normal* Hi! =^__^=;;" (Of course, now, everytime I mention dance, my friends will go, "*deep breath* Jonah, Jonah, Jonah, Jonah, Jonah!" It's all in good fun though.) So I've had it happen to me.

The point you yourself made though, was that it's a moment of infatuation. Hell, Jonah's still cute; nothing's going to change that. What *I* can change though is knowing that *nothing* is going to happen between him and me, so instead, I focus on how *lucky* I am that he's my teacher, because he's *very* good.
He's not mean, callous, cruel, etc. He's very kind, humble, and funny. He flies through the Dances (still giving them time to develop though!) with me because he knows that I've got a natural talent for it, but if I need to stop and go over something, he's not upset to take the time to demonstrate something ten times so I get it! :D I'm insanely lucky that he's my teacher, so I do my best to make him happy [by doing well in dance :arrow: read: all the work he does with me doesn't go to waste]. (Of course, doing well makes me happy too, so it's a good thing all around!)

=O_o= If that made sense to *anyone* at all, Yay! =^_~= *shrugs* That's just how I feel about it. Heh, heh.

Sakura Kitty :kitty:

[pygmalion]

But playing the devil's advocate...how many of us have fallen for people while dancing...dated and/or met their SO (or left one because of it) through dance?

If those that are settled down could remember when they were single and

Hi SG! :D

To answer your questions. Nope and nope and nope. I've briefly felt a physical attraction to one teacher in the past, true. But I've never fallen for any of them (the many! LOL) nor has a relationship with a teacher or fellow dancer affected any of my life decisions. It's just not like that for me. I'm guessing it could be, in the right context. That just hasn't happened for me, despite many a cutie-pie teacher or fellow student.


How about this as a premise for a dance movie? Tough, career-oriented working woman who is ambivalent about her committed relationship decides to start dancing, a lifelong dream. She starts dancing, and has to deal with her own inner struggles for life's meaning and her own autonomy, her relationship, and society's belief that she must be "in love" with her dance teacher. But, of course, she's not. An outcome? Anybody's guess. :roll:

A lot more complex than any made-for-TV dance movie I've seen, to date.

[danceguy]

Hi Pygmalion,

Truth be told, I'd have to answer nope to most of my questions as well! I've just seen and heard it from many people, so hopefully others will respond with their thoughts.

Here's an idea for a Salsa movie:

Two Salsa dancers who are totally burned out with dating other dancers meet and find love outside of the dance floor. They've both taken a break from dancing, but as their love bloooms they finally decide to go dancing together...only to find that one dances on1, and the other on2...but neither had any idea that such a difference existed and doesn't know diddily about the other style! :shock: :D

To make matters worse, their chemistry doesn't appear to be on the dance floor at all...what to do? They can't give up dance, they can't give up each other...but perhaps the fates will help them find happiness together? :wink:

SG

[peachexploration]

Has anyone seen this movie (http://www.erfalathiel.de/annabeth/twsm.html)?
Story line for The Way She Moves: Girl has fiance that is materialistic jerk only focused on money and prestige. Girl gets dance lessons as a wedding gift for she and her fiance. She starts classes, her fiance thinks it's stupid and finds ways to get out of it. Neither one can dance. Two instructors (former instructors) have a love/hate relationship and are aguing about the direction of the dance studio and its philosophy. They become competitive and make a bet that the guy instructor could/couldn't teach Girl who could not dance to become a terrific dancer in eight weeks or so. :roll: She sees the instructor, falls for him, become a spectacular dancer (yeah right, compared to what. :?), dumps her fiance and she and the instructor live happily ever after. There is all of 3 minutes of dance info in the whole movie. Typical! Dance movie that's really not about dance at all. Best part of the movie? Kemar De Los Reyes (gorgeous, good dancer and musician) and his brother Daniel de los Reyes who is only in the movie for 30 seconds but a terrific percussionist and you get to hear his playing in the movie. Other than that. A total waste. Sorry guys. Can you tell I didn't like it? :wink:

[Sakura]

Man, you go Pygmalion! :D Nice line. SG, yours was rather interesting too! 'Specially there at the end!

So, why don't I try to give it a whirl?

Guy who doesn't have everything going for him, but doesn't have everything wrong with him decides that he needs a little more excitement in his life. His attempts to take up "normal, macho" habits fail -- miserably. It's one disaster after the next until he meets up with an old friend of his and his new dance partner (note that I didn't say SO!). After much cajoling, they finally convince him to come around to the studio and try a lesson, with the promise that, "It's not so bad, really! C'mon! It's not basketball, but your Friday nights will be a heck of a lot more fun!" (Guys, you'll have to help me out -- b-ball games *are* on Friday, aren't they? I knew it wasn't football... :oops: :?)
So, he agrees. He goes to a Dance lesson, expecting all of the cliches we have to deal with: it's not so hard, it's not really a sport; you'll fall in love with your dance teacher; etc, etc, etc. --Funny, they're not true! The next day, he's sore all over, insanely tired, and about to go chew his friend out! He meets up with him, and before the yelling can begin, his friend calmly states, "But you had *fun,* didn't you?" leaving our "Hero" to ponder his circumstances.
He decides that he's going to keep going, "I'll show him I can stick with it!" going through his mind, and before he knows it, he's got another problem. It's the "infatuation/slight crush" on teacher step! He asks her out, and is turned aside none-too-gently, and he begins to see that Dancers don't have Fairy Tale endings. This difficulty, painful though it may have been for a little while, can't entirely convince him to quit -- once he's had a meeting with his friend's female dance partner. She helps him to see that it's really not so bad: "After all, look at it in perspective: you were there to learn and she was there to teach. 'Sides *wave of the hand*, there are still plenty of people in the world left to dance with and develop crushes on!" So he continues on.
The final step comes when he is taken to a (*cough* Salsa *cough*) club with his two Dance buddies and supporters! Here, he encounters the turn-downs, the good, the bad, and the ugly dances/dancers, and the warm connection with the few people (whom we could see as an afterthought becoming part of his group of Dancing friends) that really make dancing enjoyable.
With the final scenes coming into play and moving off the screen, we have our "Hero," who has broken most of the dancing myths for the general populous, come into his own as a fairly competent dancer (always with more room for improvement), and being able to start to grasp the idea that Dance is what every person makes it for His or Herself, but in the end it's about the Passion, the Connection, the People, and the Fun that everyone gets from The Dance.

:D So, what'd'you guys think? Is it weird to have a Guy be a main character for once, instead of focusing around the sterotype that Girls are the Dancers? Just curious, but I thought this would be fun! Not everything turns out Perfect, but not everything turns out Awful -- a good balance between the two!

Sakura Kitty :kitty:

[salsachinita]

8) Me likes!

[Sakura]

Really? :D Whoo-hoo!!! More people who like my writing! (I'm a fanfic Authoress -- we're desperate for reviews...)

Of course, you could have been referring to the other ideas, SC. Heh, heh. =^_^=;;

Sakura Kitty :kitty:

[MacMoto]

How about this as a premise for a dance movie? Tough, career-oriented working woman who is ambivalent about her committed relationship decides to start dancing, a lifelong dream. She starts dancing, and has to deal with her own inner struggles for life's meaning and her own autonomy, her relationship, and society's belief that she must be "in love" with her dance teacher. But, of course, she's not. An outcome? Anybody's guess. :roll:
Hmm, why does this sound so familiar?

[pygmalion]

:lol: :lol: I'm not sure. I was talking about me. :wink: :lol:

[Sakura]

:lol: :lol: I'm not sure. I was talking about me. :wink: :lol:

:shock: :shock: My! The, "Ever thought of your life as a Movie," train of thought seems to love you! *hugs* Kudos to your mastery of your journey! :friend: :banana: :cheers:

Sakura Kitty :kitty:

[salsachinita]

:lol: :lol: I'm not sure. I was talking about me. :wink: :lol:

...........I'm not even gonna start a plot on my life as a movie :roll: .

*as if my poor DF family havn't had enough of me yet :oops: *

[pelao]

The problem is people expect all this romantic cliché stuff when it comes to salsa (and all sorts of dancing movies!) - thats why they keep makin em like that. If they make it purely about dancing, then it goes from conceptually being a movie, to actually being some lame instructional documentary-like movie.

I wouldn't wanna watch this movie for the cheesy, cliché romance-while-you-dance thing; but I'd also hate to watch it if its some instructional thing. They should just make a movie about the real life of, not a 'dancer', but instead, someone who likes salsa, and likes to dance it.

Theres just been too many movies based on dancing that are either about romance, or 2 hours worth of some actors we've never heard of showing off in the movie dancing the whole time. A lot of times, you'll see movies that involve both types - romance and some professionally taught style of dancing. Its been done too many times.

They need to make a movie that appeals to all the people of the world - that means making a movie, not about a 20-year salsa-dancer veteran, who looks like some cuban pete and lookin all 'tropical' (another stereotype of us), because apparently this = a true salsero. It should be about someone who is just like everyone else; who likes to listen to salsa while they clean their house; or whenever they have company, they play salsa; or maybe when they have a little bbq, they play salsa - and yes, they even go out to clubs, with friends/family - to dance - or maybe to find their romantic destiny and dance. Something that both latinos, and everyone else abroad can enjoy and relate to. Something that isn't like the usual movies like 'dirty dancing', or 'save the last dance', or 'lambada', or 'honey', and so forth (although i liked some of these movies).

Salsa is not some extravagant, prestigious music/culture. Just like other latin music, it was/is the music of the common folk. It wasn't made for rich or poor people. Back in my city/country, everyone listens to and enjoys salsa. In the real world of salsa, there are no rules, or guidelines. We don't all dress the same, or talk the same language, or dance the same - and we don't all come from the same places/cultures.

My movie is about real life. About everyday people - salsa is just a factor that plays some sort of role in their lives. One might be a puerto rican musician in nyc who gets drunk/high all the time and plays at the clubs wit his salsa combo almost every nite, and has a one-nite stand wit another broad as usual (despite already having 3 kids with 3 different women, and apart from that, already having a 'serious' girlfriend somewhere in long island). Another is about a boy and girl (brother/sister) in high school in venezuela who are poor with the hopes of having a better life and going to the university some day. But they do normal things that kids in venezuela do at that age, like listen to salsa, and go out to clubs/parties and dance, and drink and get drunk sometimes wit friends/family, break or forge relationships (and romances even). Another is about an ultra-modern anglo-american married couple in their thirties from chicago who have a very happy, successful life/relationship, but they can't have kids. They decide to take it upon theirselves to add something special to their lives by learning how to dance latin music - together. This strengthens their marriage by adding more commonground between them and allows them to be more social. Maybe this even was a blessing in disguise - because somehow they are now expecting a child. Another is about a colombian drug racketeerist in miami who pushes heroin and coke along with his brother. He has an honest family who love him dearly (no girlfriend though), a very good life (economically). But, one of his brothers is being fatally threatened due to $500,000 (US) he owes to some of the big timers down in cali, colombia. They grew up with salsa music too, and they go out to clubs and dance - and everyone at the clubs already know 'who', these guys are.

This is the real world of salsa. Its a world where there is never just one story to tell; its a spectrum of different scenarios. Its a world where its not only about salsa the music - we must understand, that to certain cultures, this music IS a part of their culture and nation, and its meaning isnt only music and dancing, but far more involving than some people can understand. The question is, what role does the music play in somebody's life? Isn't there more to salsa than the music and dancing? Yes.

[SDsalsaguy]

Excellent, excellent post pelao!!! :cheers:

[salsachinita]

:notworth: :notworth: :notworth: :notworth: :notworth:
Paleo.........!

[DanceAm]

Dancing an Romance are good elements of a chick flick. Having a couple dance and look in each other's eyes while the music is playing is just another type of love scene. It is more probable that this will happen than a hooker falling in love and marrying a multimillionaire, but Pretty Woman had some big stars. As unlikely as that was, it will still go down as one of the top woman's favorite movie.

It just seems that Dirty Dancing was a fluke. But maybe when Richard Gere, J-Lo and Susan Sarandon are shown in the American remake of Shall we Dance, we will see if Star Power makes a difference in a dance movie. Richard will be the lead, so here is one with the man as the focal point of the story.

[Sakura]

*as if my poor DF family havn't had enough of me yet :oops: *

*runs off to grab her popcorn* NEVER, SC! How could we get enough of your wonderful stories?! (*blink blink* And where was I for the bulk of them??? Hrm... 8) :wink: ) *laughs and shrugs* 'Sides, what kinda family would we be if we didn't listen to your stories, laugh at *coughs* with (sorry about that =^_~=) you about them, and then tell the best, most praise-worthy ones to everyone we know about how great you are?!

Excellent, excellent post pelao!!! :cheers:

:notworth: :notworth: :notworth: :notworth: :notworth:
Paleo.........!

*nods and claps* Very good, Paleo! Gritty, and not with the Mr. Clean sparkle Hollywood normally entertains; but that's not what you were going for, was it? This was about people, normal or extraordinary (even if not in the best of ways), who have Salsa in their lives.

But, again, isn't that what we say Salsa is or say about it? It's the rich tapestry of everyone who has experienced Salsa and loved it. It's what people have taken away from it into their lives and then added back when they felt they had something worthy to add. It's the Music, the People, the Stories, the Love, the Laughter, the Heartache, the Tears, it's all of that and more put into one until there are so many stories that you'd need a billion movies to tell 'em all, but it's okay. One story at a time is still pretty good. 8)

*looks up* Eh, whoops... I got all sentimental again... :oops: :) So, em, I'll say again, great job Paleo! And since I haven't seen you around the DF before (I don't think), even though you're not new, I'll say, "Welcome!!!!" :D :wink:

Sakura Kitty :kitty:

[pygmalion]

pelao brings up some good, and quite a bit more realistic salsa/dance related premises. The question is, could they be made into movies that would sell? They'd probably sell to the public, but I can't see convincing major movie studios of that. You'd have to do a Big Fat Greek Wedding thing, and write and make it yourself, in order to get a realistic dance movie out there. It would be way successful once you did -- I mean really, where is there more drama than in the dance world? :lol: But it wouldn't be easy convicing studio execs to finance it (unless you had JLo)



JLo is wearing a lovely smooth gown in that ballroom movie, btw. I saw pics in this week's US magazine. :lol:

[Big10]

Has anyone seen this movie (http://www.erfalathiel.de/annabeth/twsm.html)?
Actually, I'm in it. :D

I'm just an extra in a bar scene, but most of The Way She Moves was filmed here in Houston, Texas. Around the time of shooting the movie, the casting people had sign-up sheets in a couple of the local clubs in order to recruit extras. It's the only time I've ever been in a movie, but I thought the process was pretty interesting.

Several of the Houston Salsa "notables" have brief appearances, so it was cool for many of us (locally) to watch from that standpoint -- even if nobody else in the world knows who they are. Honestly, though, as a movie it's nothing special, nor are the dancing scenes remarkable in any sense. I remember that there's a scene of some simplistic Rueda toward the end of the movie, and a couple of club scenes with average Salsa. The main actress (Annabeth Gish) had some recurring role on "The X-Files" for awhile, and the main actor was from some soap opera.

It's not great, but it's not awful either. It's predictable and cliched, yet a couple of my female friends still described it as "cute." Watch it if you have absolutely nothing else to do.....or if you're a true Salsaholic like me who feels obligated to see it so that you can be conversant about any of the movies containing Salsa -- good or bad. :wink:

[Sakura]

Actually, I'm in it. :D\

:shock: :D That's really cool!

Sakura Kitty :kitty:

[peachexploration]

Has anyone seen this movie (http://www.erfalathiel.de/annabeth/twsm.html)?
Actually, I'm in it. :D

Really!!! :shock: :D Hey, can you get me Kemar De Los Reyes' telephone number. :wink: :lol: I'm only kidding. It is pretty cool that you were in the movie though! :D

[Big10]

Has anyone seen this movie (http://www.erfalathiel.de/annabeth/twsm.html)?
Actually, I'm in it. :D

Really!!! :shock: :D Hey, can you get me Kemar De Los Reyes' telephone number. :wink: :lol: I'm only kidding. It is pretty cool that you were in the movie though! :D
Sorry, I don't know the dude's phone number! :lol: They kept the extras waiting in a separate area until the scenes started -- and Kemar wasn't in that particular scene anyway.

I got about a minute's worth of screen time (off and on), since the director told me to stand right behind a couple of the main actors for the scene, and the camera flashed back and forth to that spot. They had me wear a suit and tie so that I could play the challenging role of "yuppie businessman hanging out in a bar."

I did it really well but, surprisingly, I wasn't nominated for any awards. :?

:wink:

[peachexploration]

That's awesome Big10! Sounds like it was great fun. :D

[pygmalion]

I did it really well but, surprisingly, I wasn't nominated for any awards. :?

:wink:

Ya gotta wonder at the poor taste of the Motion Picture Academy. :wink: :D

[Genesius Redux]

I haven't seen it, but I hate the way the necks of the leads are torqued for the picture. Some publicity shootist no doubt telling them where to put their heads for the picture. How about--"This is how we dance salsa, now you deal with where to put the camera!" :roll:

[squirrel]

ok... nice post, pelao, BUT:

people DO NOT, IMHO, want to see real life on TV... what's the point of seeing some movie about how much life sucks...? what's the point of seeing unhappy, hungry, abused, useless, homeless, drunk people...? they're your neighbours! why see them? why see a movie with a guy who looks like your father who falls for a woman who looks like your mother? why see a fat, sad, unmarried (or in a bad marriage) woman who has to put up with $hit from her husband... movies are there to fake reality, not to shove it to your face!
let's face it, if you wanna see real stuff, go watch a Russian movie (the classics I mean) or some British movies or even some American (but not the Oscar - winners...). Still, such movies are not very successfull...
have you ever wondered why people love telenovellas? or soap operas?

movies are just a way to forget who we are... boy meets girl... boy loves girl... girl loves boy... they face some difficulties, but all's well that ends well... and they lived happily ever after... :)

R

PS: please do not jump on me... I like Russian movies :)

[ketchup]

movies are just a way to forget who we are... boy meets girl... boy loves girl... girl loves boy... they face some difficulties, but all's well that ends well... and they lived happily ever after... :)

Interesting!! :shock: :D :D

I have always believed that movies are intended to remind us of ourselves. For example, if I was watching this "boy meets girl....happily ever after" movie, what the movie tells me would be:

"Dxxm, this is NOT definitely me. There is no romance in my life. I hate these kids. This is NOT me!! :x " :lol: :lol:

Thus, reminding me of the reality of my life (more than I need to be reminded, in most cases :twisted: ).

However, after reading your post, I am now thinking, it is highly possible that the intention of the movie, in fact, is to make us forget who we are. It's just that it is not working for me that way. :cry: But I DO wish to watch movies that can make me forget who I am, even if temporarily. :lol:

[squirrel]

they don't make me forget either, but they act as substitutes for most people... I can't do that, but James Bond can!... you know what I mean... I cannot marry Sharon Stone (or a look alike), she wouldn't have me, I'm married to a regular woman (you know, chubby on the sides... not so top of the best looking...), but I get to watch some cool dude (Stallone, Clooney, de Niro...) who can!
it doesn't work for me... but movies are drugs of the people ... Romans knew what they were doing... bread and circus!

[pygmalion]

ok... nice post, pelao, BUT:

people DO NOT, IMHO, want to see real life on TV... what's the point of seeing some movie about how much life sucks...? what's the point of seeing unhappy, hungry, abused, useless, homeless, drunk people...? they're your neighbours! why see them? why see a movie with a guy who looks like your father who falls for a woman who looks like your mother? why see a fat, sad, unmarried (or in a bad marriage) woman who has to put up with $hit from her husband... movies are there to fake reality, not to shove it to your face!
let's face it, if you wanna see real stuff, go watch a Russian movie (the classics I mean) or some British movies or even some American (but not the Oscar - winners...). Still, such movies are not very successfull...
have you ever wondered why people love telenovellas? or soap operas?

movies are just a way to forget who we are... boy meets girl... boy loves girl... girl loves boy... they face some difficulties, but all's well that ends well... and they lived happily ever after... :)

R

PS: please do not jump on me... I like Russian movies :)

Yes, I admit that I often go to the movies for an escape. Still, I want pseudo-realism mixed in with my escapism. :oops: :lol:

[pelao]

Well, I've lived in the u.s. and in colombia. In colombia, this movie could reach mainstream status because movies like this do very well overthere. Here in the u.s. though, it would fall under 'indie/foreign' film. In any case, despite it being 'too' realistic, it could do very well. I've seen some ultra-realistic (practically pessimistic) movies win Oscars and various prestigous awards from film festivals.

In the past few years, here in the u.s., indie and foreign films have gotten SO popular that you can't go to blockbuster, or hollywood video without seeing half of the joint stocked up with these types of films. I mean, lately more and more of the american mainstream film-viewing audience has been opening up more and more to these non-mainstream movies. So much, that big-time mainstream film companies have been shelling out money to produce 'indie' style movies. People here are tired of the 'same old, same old'. Therefore, on a more 'adventurous' tip, they're taking their chances with these unknown 'odd' type of movies.

Anyways, I just felt like explaining myself, and why I believe it would do well in the Americas. Besides, reality isn't always sad, there are also happy moments. If I wanted a sad movie, then it would'nt be realistic anymore - it would be pessimistic. I would make certain to show that we also have good moments in our lives.

[ketchup]

... you know what I mean... I cannot marry Sharon Stone (or a look alike), she wouldn't have me, I'm married to a regular woman (you know, chubby on the sides... not so top of the best looking...), but I get to watch some cool dude (Stallone, Clooney, de Niro...) who can!

How come this example sounds so fascinating (and so convincing) to me!!? :notworth: :uplaugh: