An On2 Question.

[joaoluissantos]

Hi!

I have a doubt about leading double woman rigth turns (2WRT) when dancing on2.

Because I started has a On1 dancer, when leading a 2WRT On2 I would let the woman Step forward on 1 and then make two quick turns on beats 2 and 3...but I realize that what the On2 dancers usually do is that the woman prepare the turn not transfering the weight to the left foot on 7 and then they to the turns on beats 1 and 3...

Is it like this? How can I lead this? Or does the woman transfer the weight to the left foot on 7 but the men leads in a way that she transfer the weigh back to the right foot on 8 and then leads the turns on 1 and 3?

Does anything of this makes sense to you?

Thanks,

João

[Sabor]

there are two ON 2 styles as mentioned in a number of previous threads them being E.Torres and Power 2.. so without going into the difference lets base it on the one 1 standard pattern instead.. so it simply can be observed as replacing what u used to do on 1 to be on 2 .. meaning:

Lady double right spin on 1 - if i understand the move you asked about correctly, is:

123 - lady breaks back with right on 1 and prepares on the 23 (based on the guys lead.. u lead it with your hands and the pose of your body..so if u are holding her left hand with your right .. u do a kind of swivle where u bring her hand across her body midlevel from her left to her right on the 2 and then take it back and up towards and just over her left temple on 3)

567 - lady double spins (to her right crossing over with her left) on the 56 and ends back to position on 7.. the 8 maybe utilized incase of triple spins .. and then starts again on 1

Lady double right spin on 2:

234 - lady breaks back with right on 2 and prepares on the 34 (based on the guys lead .. exactly as before but now your hands leads her into it on the 34 instead)

678 - lady double spins (to her right crossing over with her left) on 67 and ends back to position on 8 .. the 1 maybe utilized for triple spins.. and then starts again on 2

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at least thats one of the ways i seen it taught.. that is if i originally explained the move u asked about :lol: .. sorry.. but i tend to get confused easily from explaining and understanding moves described thru writing.. so if i'm completely off topic.. just forget all my yapping :D

[joaoluissantos]

Hi, Sabor!

Thanks for you answer.

I'm talking about E.Torres style. I understand your explanations for On1 and Power 2 but I think that for ET Style it can be different.

On 6 lady breaks back with her right foot, if on 7 she transfers the weight to her left foot you cannot start the right turn on 1 because she will have the weight on her left foot, so you will have to allow her to transfer the weight to the right foot on 1 (after the pause on 8 ) and then make the turns after that, no?

But if the lady don't transfer the weight to the left foot on 7, and instead she lets the weight stay on the right foot and prepares to turn, we can lead the turn right on 1 or even before (between 7 and 1)...

What do u think of this,

João

Ps - I never had regular classes of On2, just workshops and I'm learning to dance On2 two by my one and with the help of tapes.

[borikensalsero]

When you are going to do multiple spins but want to take more than a count of 4, but not go into more than 2 bars, then you can catch the girl going back on the 6, beging the spin there. Which means you "attack" the six with her by going forward on your basic step faster than usual, and catch her before she transfers weight to her left foot.... Which means you have to ready by the 5, letting her know something is about to happen. Bang bang bang, use the 6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5 to spin, then finsh again on the 6,7. And why there just is too much time to really want to double spin a girl starting on the 6. Unless, you go slooooooooooow.

What truly "helps" is the use of a prep step by the lady on the 1 or the 5. The leader really "shouldn't" spin her while on the air on the 8, it looks "off beat", and it can look sloppy, the action points are the 6 and the 2, at times the 1 and the 5. When double spinning the leader actually waits for the one to hit. Almost all the girls I dance with do the prep step on the one as well. Which means they bring their left foot in front of the right "expecting" the spins, when the 2 hits, the leader starts the spin. It is right on the 2, using the 2, 3, 4 for the over-all look, stop on the 5 and finish the 6, 7.

[joaoluissantos]

Hi, Boriken!

Thanks for your explanation.

Another question: someone told me that some Puerto Rican Dancers when dancing On2 adjust the basic step with the clave. What I mean is that if the clave is 2/3 the man goes back on 2, as usual, and if the clave is 3/2 the man goes back on 6.

Did u ever heard of this?

João

[borikensalsero]

Hi, Boriken!

Thanks for your explanation.

Another question: someone told me that some Puerto Rican Dancers when dancing On2 adjust the basic step with the clave. What I mean is that if the clave is 2/3 the man goes back on 2, as usual, and if the clave is 3/2 the man goes back on 6.

Did u ever heard of this?

João

Yeap I've heard of it, however, Puerto Ricans (MEN) from the Island don't step 1,2,3 5,6,7 and don't go backwards on the 2 but forward, while steping 2,3,4 6,7,8 (Power2). The man stepping back on the 2 is an Eddie Torres kind of phylosophy, hence, if you will, a New York City origin kind of thing. Latin dancing has always, until not long ago, used the 1,2,3 for the man to do his thing. Today, however, because of new ideas of dancing and evolution, it is said that it is "best" for the lady to use the 1,2,3... To me, I could care less who steps in what.

A great deal of advance dancers, whether Puerto Rican or not, actually change with the clave (Supposedly, the clave doesn't change, what changes is the music on top, I agree with that statement). Many don't care to change but many do as well. It is done for various reasons... But as far as changing with the clave yes, indeed, many dancers do it.