search picture of the deathdrop [Archive]

luh

11-21-2004, 03:27 PM

That is a turn, where the man holds his partner horizontally something around 10 cm, (round about 5 inch) above the floor, and gets her up again. Look kind of nice, and you can do nice things, like stepping over her, and get afterwards into the pan cake or stuff like that.
and thanks for the welcome, i almost forgot, that was my first post
:D
luh

pygmalion

11-21-2004, 03:32 PM

I've seen some folks out at a social dance doing that move. It is nice. :D I think it's also called a death drop. I googled for clips, but all I could find was videos available for purchase. :( Maybe someone else will have some luck.

And, btw, welcome to the forums. :D

luh

11-21-2004, 03:49 PM

hmm. Death drop? I hope that isn't because it happens so fast that you drop your partner :P
Yes, I like it very much too. But i'm still just beginner in swing. So i have to learn still a lot.
luh

Flat Shoes

11-21-2004, 03:49 PM

Google came up with this:
http://troupe.caltech.edu/USC_Dance/Spring%202002/pictures/Sarah_20death_20drop.jpg

A bit odd-looking version, but should show the general idea.

luh

11-21-2004, 04:07 PM

@Flat Shoes: thanks

Flat Shoes

11-21-2004, 04:25 PM

No problem, but it was pygmalion coming up with the search criteria.

SDsalsaguy

11-21-2004, 06:44 PM

Yup, I've always heard that called a death drop as well...

pygmalion

11-22-2004, 10:57 AM

Does anybody here actually do this move? Tips on how to keep it safe?

Larinda McRaven

11-22-2004, 11:00 AM

It is actually very easy and very fun. The thing for the girl to remember is to keep her body straight and not break or bend. If she bends she breaks the centrifugal force and brings her body inside the circle and will hit the floor with a resounding thud. If she stays straight and keeps her weight pulling out the spin will be much faster and stronger.

Flat Shoes

11-22-2004, 11:01 AM

11-22-2004, 11:12 AM

Never socially, which means hardly ever. I don't see it as an unsafe move at all, but would never do it on a crowded floor where others might bump into my partner.

Also I don't lover my partner too fast. I think you can do it fast too. But then as part of a choreographed move.

It's done really fast, and is certainly not a "Social" move.

And as Larinda said, the Follow really should be careful not to arch her back. I knew a gal who hit her head on the floor because of that.

dTas

11-22-2004, 11:22 AM

i used to do it all the time, socially, back in my wild country western days. but hardly do it anymore these days. most tricks i do now are choreographed and usually involve the my partner going up instead of down.

Flat Shoes

11-22-2004, 11:30 AM

Never socially, which means hardly ever. I don't see it as an unsafe move at all, but would never do it on a crowded floor where others might bump into my partner.

Also I don't lover my partner too fast. I think you can do it fast too. But then as part of a choreographed move.

It's done really fast, and is certainly not a "Social" move.

Apparantly, there are more than one move ending up like that. I learned it as a part of a blues class.

11-22-2004, 11:37 AM

Apparantly, there are more than one move ending up like that. I learned it as a part of a blues class.
Yup - and salsa regularly "borrows" moves from Swing.

In my (limited) experience with the deathdrop, it's really hard to lower her slowly, and quite easy if it's done quickly and both of you know the proper technique.

That being said, I only would try it if/when the physics (and physiques, lol!) seem to be right in addition to technique.

SDsalsaguy

11-22-2004, 12:55 PM

Yup, as per Larinda and tj I'd have to say that this is actually one of the easier dips/drops to execute (and well at that) when both parties know the appropriate technique. I'd never use it on a social floor, but it's a cool little trick.

Sagitta

11-22-2004, 10:26 PM

motardmom

11-22-2004, 11:38 PM

SDsalsaguy

11-22-2004, 11:38 PM

hmmmm....
:?: :?

Doug

11-23-2004, 09:41 AM

Also I don't lover my partner too fast...

I learned it as a part of a blues class....

That must be why you don't lover her too fast.....

Vince A

11-23-2004, 11:22 AM

I did that, back when I did C&W. Fun!!! I only had maybe 1 partner I did that with, the only one I trusted enough to fling me around. LOL This was also pre-babies, and I was in better shape (read: about 25 lbs lighter)then. :oops: :lol:
Actually, in C&W dancing . . . the first time that I saw this move was in a C&W dance called the Aggie-Swing - where the girls arms get disjointed from the rest of their body! The move comes out of a "pretzel," where the arms are crossed (see photo), and the girl does a dip on her own, but to the floor, with the guy holding her from going "splat." He kinda helps to let her down that low . . .

pygmalion

11-23-2004, 03:23 PM

It looks like a blast, but I have a real issue with trust. :oops: :lol:

motardmom

11-23-2004, 08:50 PM

where the girls arms get disjointed from the rest of their body! The move comes out of a "pretzel," where the arms are crossed (see photo), and the girl does a dip on her own, but to the floor, with the guy holding her from going "splat." He kinda helps to let her down that low . . .

Uh..... disjointed? :? :eyebrow: That doesn't sound fun at all.

It's been so long for me, I can't remember how I ended up in that position anymore, coming out of what move. But I can see how it would work from a pretzel....

Sagitta

11-24-2004, 08:45 AM

hmmmm....
:?: :? Considering whether I should add it to me repertoire mon ami!

pygmalion

11-24-2004, 08:59 AM

Does the relative stature of the dropper and droppee figure into it? Or is this one of those moves that's just an illusion?

SDsalsaguy

11-24-2004, 11:23 AM

Does the relative stature of the dropper and droppee figure into it? Or is this one of those moves that's just an illusion?
Technique always make a huge difference! That being said, as with any lifts, dips, or drops, the actual bodies do matter...

Diavo

01-24-2005, 09:57 AM

The move is also in Swingers, done a little slower than maybe some would.
(It's not hard at all.)

I like the idea of doing this coming out of a pretzel, thanks!

genie

01-24-2005, 09:10 PM

No one mentioned keeping the head up! Beginners often throw their head back on any kind of dip - this is a perfect example of a move where you must keep your head in line with your body.

Diavo

01-25-2005, 10:52 AM

That's indeed a good tip genie! Hopefully her survival instinct kicks and and she automatically keeps her head up! :wink:

bordertangoman

01-25-2005, 11:25 AM

Does the relative stature of the dropper and droppee figure into it? Or is this one of those moves that's just an illusion?

well its tough luck if she's got very long arms.

CLUNK!!

OUCH :D :D

Swingolder

01-25-2005, 11:29 AM

And how does she get back up?

Diavo

01-25-2005, 11:34 AM

He'd pull her up

Diavo

03-17-2005, 12:51 PM

Since this post started I began doing that move at the end of my pretzels with my gf.

The pretzel we do ends with me bending over and doing a 360 to untangle our arms, so then I just let go of my left hand and do another 360 (not as bent over) and we regrip my left hand with hers, crossed, and as soon as I stand straight up she falls.
When we do it smoothly it's a real surprise for anyone watching. Plus it's fun for us any way.
To get up I pull her up and make a counterclockwise motion with my hands so that she spins up with a 360. 8)

Also, guys: if you stick your foot out a little she can rest on it, litteraly laying on it as you suspend her. :wink:

luh

03-23-2005, 02:42 PM

This has grown to a big discussion. And it's pretty long ago that i once asked. But since it's still on:

someone mentioned to start that out of the pretzel. because there are crosse arms. i never have crossed arms when i do the pretzel, nor when i do the death drop.

i was used to start this move turning her, that she is standing next to you, facing the same direction, than you do a slight change in holding her hand. lead leans left, and she with him, back, and than you bring her down. and pull her up again.

since i don't dance such a lot of ECS/Jitterbug anymore, - can anyone tell me - is there a good way to get into that one from the lindy? or charleston (sidebyside or tandem).
luh

labelledanseuse

03-23-2005, 03:37 PM

emanuela

03-23-2005, 05:28 PM

Sagitta

03-23-2005, 05:34 PM

I've seen it done in salsa.

luh

03-24-2005, 02:34 AM

Is the death drop done in ECS? About how advanced do you have to be to learn it? I've been taking lessons since July... do you think I'd be able to handle it? Should I ask my teacher to show it to me?

You're definitely far enough to do this one. It's really easy. Put your partner (if you're the follow), should be a partner you trust! And he should be at least a little strong.
But in the end: It looks way tougher than it actually is.
Have fun with it!

I've done the death drop only in ECS till now - but I'm searching as said above for a way to handle it in Lindy hop. - Anyone an idea?

luh

Diavo

03-24-2005, 09:32 AM

luh,
Not actually knowing, I wasn't going to post, but just right off the top of my head:

1-2 =Rock-step to pull her in

3 =grab other hands and prep, guy takes a step [hops with his right foot] to his right and turns CCW a little [her feet are nearly together and between his now)

4 =both of guy's feet are firmly planted and she drops (her head at his left side, her feet at his right side for orientation)

5 =she holds the position

6 =guy pulls her up

7&8 = triples or other steps to taste

Think of it as "Rock-step, hop, drop, hold, up, trip-le step" A B B B START L R B A X Y Z R R UP DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT for Ultimate Kombat Mode! :roll: :wink:

--Diavo

SwingBean

03-25-2005, 05:11 PM

Here's another picture: http://salsavideoreviews.org/salsamaster/deathdrop1.jpg

Bad form though--her head is arched back and her foot is off the ground. He's got his arms bent at 90 degrees to compensate. I also think it looks better when the guy doesn't look down at the girl but at the audience.

breathedance

03-25-2005, 05:33 PM

Ahh, this brings back memories. I was trying this about 5 years ago with an inexperienced partner, and practically gave myself a concussion. Talk about a BAAADDD headache!!! :shock: Haven't gotten up the nerve to try it since! :)

SwingBean

03-25-2005, 05:47 PM

You can also do this move out of a "leaning tower" without the lean. Guy rolls lady into his R side (his R, her L hand) grabs her other hand and drops her. I find it very fun and have had no accidents (!) but maybe I have short arms. :D

pygmalion

03-25-2005, 06:27 PM

I find it very fun and have had no accidents (!) but maybe I have short arms. :D

:lol: :lol:

genie

03-29-2005, 12:26 AM

I find it very fun and have had no accidents (!) but maybe I have short arms. :D

:lol: :lol:

Yes she does.... Swingbean is the the T-Rex of Lindy.

Come on, show em' what you really look like, Swingbean.

SwingBean

03-29-2005, 12:27 AM

Are you calling me a dinosaur? :evil:

genie

03-29-2005, 12:29 AM

Uh yeah... lindy hop? What is that, 1930's style dancing?

SwingBean

03-29-2005, 12:35 AM

So what kind of swing are YOU into? Arthur Murray's East Coast Swing?

genie

03-29-2005, 12:53 AM

I never!!!

Nice Tutu, Swingbean.

Kisses,

~genie

p.s. - next time you are in town, let's do a little a lindy hump.

labelledanseuse

03-31-2005, 03:35 PM

I tried the death drop on Monday. :D :D :D It was fun. I'm going to ask my instructor to put it in my showcase routine. 8)

labelledanseuse

03-31-2005, 03:37 PM

So what kind of swing are YOU into? Arthur Murray's East Coast Swing?

What's so bad about east coast swing? :cry: That's what I'm learning now. :?

SwingBean

03-31-2005, 04:00 PM

So what kind of swing are YOU into? Arthur Murray's East Coast Swing?

What's so bad about east coast swing? :cry: That's what I'm learning now. :?

Not a darn thing. Just teasing Genie since I know she's hardcore street Lindy. Enjoy!

Diavo

04-01-2005, 09:52 AM

Ah, Street Swing -- thee best type! 8)

Diavo

11-28-2005, 12:51 PM

*bump*

I remember the discussion here about the Death Drop and then the idea of incorporating it at the end of the Pretzel I do. Well! Here's a link to a site that has a vid of a Jam I was in last weekend:
www.dcswingdancing.com
Under "Spanish Ballroom Jam - November 19, 2005"
Click on the pic of "Cat Gill & Dave Voltaggio" [my gf & I!]

The Pretzel comes halfway into the vid [after our patented ;P Neckdrop-Slide], and follows into a Death Drop, then my added Handplant-Kick [cause... a guy's gotta fly too!].

I don't know how long the clip will stay up - could be a week, could be a month... it depends on how frequently Jams are recorded here in DC!

--Diavo B-)

Dave

11-29-2005, 04:09 PM

Here's a link to a site that has a vid of a Jam I was in last weekend:

The Pretzel comes halfway into the vid [after our patented ;P Neckdrop-Slide], and follows into a Death Drop, then my added Handplant-Kick
Nice moves. Maybe I'm just slow, but after 50+ posts, it wasn't until this video clip I was actually sure what move everyone was talking about! (There are two other moves I've heard called a death-drop).

As ever, the UK and USA are two countries separated by a common language...

alemana

11-29-2005, 04:32 PM

my god that floor looked slippery. i was tensing up just watching you guys slide around.

Diavo

11-30-2005, 01:38 PM

Oh, the camera angle was bad for seing the Death Drop. :-/

@Dave: It's not just a UK to USA thing, I've heard of *several* different names for some of the same moves in the same city!

@alemana: I like a slippery floor. Glen Echo gets dusty because of so much foot traffic in the night. But when it rains the floor gets sticky because people don't change their shoes and so they track in the moisture (on rainy nights I'll wear my sneakers in and change into my wingtips).
I love slipperiness with leather soles so then I can do extra fun moves/slides/scoots. =) When you see us sliding a little in our footsteps it's actually an incidental style we've created/incorporated. B-)
And I just make sure I'm planted firmly before doing any aerials on a slippery floor -- it's no problem for me.

Oh, how did I forget? This Death Drop pic was taken sideways of my girl & I back in the summer.
http://www.geocities.com/CoolestIntentions/swing-50s-2.jpg

--Diavo

Dave

12-01-2005, 02:51 AM

my god that floor looked slippery. i was tensing up just watching you guys slide around.Actually, you can do a nice variation of this move where you intentionally slide the girl along the floor as you bring her upright. (Generally done to slower, smoother styles).

The other variation that tends to impress people is doing it with just the R-R grip (i.e. one-handed). To do that safely you want the girl to be fairly good at holding her own weight though!

luh

12-01-2005, 07:42 AM

That's indeed a good tip genie! Hopefully her survival instinct kicks and and she automatically keeps her head up! :wink:

let's hope ;) rofl
luh

chandra

12-06-2005, 07:31 PM

http://usaswingnet.com/MC_Jason&Erica.MPG

Im running on a schedule, so sorry if someone already posted this clip, and sorry if this isnt actually a death mark. The clip is about 19 seconds long, and the drop comes at the very end.

unrelated: Go jason and erica for placing 9th at the OPEN! You guys rock!

chandra

12-06-2005, 08:04 PM

talk about a freudian slip, too much Harry Potter on my mind

I meant death drop!

(incase you didnt get that from the previous posts, jason barnes is my teacher whenever I make it up to minneapolis. 5hr drive)

Dave

12-07-2005, 03:33 AM

Im running on a schedule, so sorry if someone already posted this clip, and sorry if this isnt actually a death mark. The clip is about 19 seconds long, and the drop comes at the very end.For what it's worth, that's a lot closer to what I had in mind initially, but seems to be totally different from the move Luh and Diavo have in mind.

Maybe we should start a list of "death drops"

The first move I learned called a death drop starts from a cuddle; the woman is dropped face first towards the floor (still in cuddle hold), and then unwrapped. The face first bit is what scares the woman (I've also heard this move called the nosebleed :eek: ), but actually the unwrap bit is what most people find harder.

I've also heard the candlestick and drop down the back called a death drop - but more frequently called the death dive. This move always freaks me out - the idea of my partner falling down behind me where I can't do a save is very scary. Funnily my wife has never had a problem with it.

I've never heard the "basic" move Luh and Diavo described called a death drop. But I've seen a variation called a death drop. The variation is done one handed with arms straight and uses a large amount of momentum to counterbalance gravity while the guy steps over her - it requires 100% commitment. (You can do essentially the same move slowly using strength, but that wouldn't be a death drop - it's the "if this goes wrong, one of us is hitting the floor - there are no half measures" element that makes it 'deathly').

I've also heard the floorsweeper (not sure you call it that - I found a clip of it at http://www.jiving.demon.co.uk/video/floorswp.mpg if you want to see what I mean) called a death drop by some.

Flat Shoes

12-07-2005, 04:48 AM

http://usaswingnet.com/MC_Jason&Erica.MPG

Im running on a schedule, so sorry if someone already posted this clip, and sorry if this isnt actually a death mark. The clip is about 19 seconds long, and the drop comes at the very end.

Wow! :shock: You have to really trust your partner for that one. Ouch...

Flat Shoes

12-07-2005, 04:53 AM

I've also heard the candlestick and drop down the back called a death drop - but more frequently called the death dive. This move always freaks me out - the idea of my partner falling down behind me where I can't do a save is very scary.
That's what I was thinking about too. Also the variation where the woman is thrown into the air first, and caught behind the back, picked up between the feet and liftet up in front og the guy. I've only seen it done in acrobatic rock'n'roll.

But I've seen a variation called a death drop. The variation is done one handed with arms straight and uses a large amount of momentum to counterbalance gravity while the guy steps over her - it requires 100% commitment.

I've done that one. Takes a really good grip to not let go of the girl.

Dave

12-07-2005, 06:44 AM

That's what I was thinking about too. Also the variation where the woman is thrown into the air first, and caught behind the back, picked up between the feet and liftet up in front og the guy. I've only seen it done in acrobatic rock'n'roll.Sure. Generally speaking the "down the back" bit is the death dive; the entrance/exits can vary a lot. (We actually did it from the dirty-dancing lift - which is probably one of the least scary methods). The catch and pull-through exit is reasonably straightforward other than making it really smooth and clean.

(In interests of disclosure, we eventually gave up on that move - never really got it looking good enough).

As for the Jason/Erica drop needing trust. Do you know the aerial Kyle/Sarah did at the end of their 1998 US Open routine? Basically the girl sits on the guy's shoulder (straddle legs) face forward. From there, you make sure you have good grips (R-R, L-L), and the girl pivots face forwards to drop head first at the ground. It's a long way down, and although you can control the speed if the girl keeps her shape, it moves very quickly if she doesn't. Now if you have Kyle and Sarah's height difference, it's not actually that scary - but for us it was a definite "your hair will hit the ground" move. Combined with the fact that the girl needs to be brave and keep her shape, it was definitely challenging...

Of course, Oleg Ouchakov (Cirque du Soleil) does the same move but with the girl in a hand-to-hand overhead handstand. His partners all seem to weigh about 70 lbs though!

chandra

12-07-2005, 08:04 AM

OMG, oleg and tatianas act is incredible... Id love to see someone do somthing similar for cabaret...

interesting trivia on oleg and tatiana, oleg tends to not get injured, but I beleive tatiana did, after a couple of years... I believe that was his 7th (dont quote me on the number, its early) partnership to end in injury. After that one ended he moved on to a new partner, and the "did dancing in highheels" I never saw the act but I wouldve liked to... SHe was an ex figureskater!

Re: j&e trust: A good thing to note too is that they do alot of that stuff, Also realizing that jason is like 6 foot something and he is strong. Erica is tall too, but I sware, she is the skinniest girl ever! Those moves look extra cool with tall people, because the change in height is so drastic. So they look extra cool, plus Jason is trust worthy... They have a good combo!

I think the more impressive aerials are the type nathali and yuval do. Im not too worried about it if I still have contact with my partner, And im not thin like erica!

Dave

12-07-2005, 08:41 AM

OMG, oleg and tatianas act is incredible... Id love to see someone do somthing similar for cabaret...I don't know if you've heard of them, but the Iouvilov's have done some stuff with Cirque, and they won the Blackpool Exhibition (effectively Cabaret) in 03 and 04. Unfortunately, I understand the exhibition footage is never released.

interesting trivia on oleg and tatiana, oleg tends to not get injured, but I beleive tatiana did, after a couple of years... I believe that was his 7th (dont quote me on the number, its early) partnership to end in injury. Hmmm... not sure that part of his record sounds good! Of course, Tatiana was/is ridiculously flexible, and I think that always predisposes to injury. And then some of their moves seem to involve a lot of joint/tendon stress rather than muscle strength.

After that one ended he moved on to a new partner, and the "did dancing in highheels" I never saw the act but I wouldve liked to... SHe was an ex figureskater!From that quote I'm guessing you watched the "Fire Within" series! Very interesting look behind the scenes...

My wife always dances in heels, so we don't do any aerials where I don't physically control the landing. (We've more or less stopped pushing our envelope these days anyhow).

chandra

12-07-2005, 07:27 PM

Yup, and Im a total cirque du soleil junky! As an ex-hand2hand acrobat (we just street performed, nothing cool) I love watching that stuff, its like the epitomy of cool!
I wish oleg and tatiana were still in varekai, I suppose as well as tat being injured, their choreography was too close to the choreography of body skaters, so they didnt get much shock and awe value from the crowd... Just heresay so dont quote me!
Ever been to the cirque du soleil forum www.cirquetribune.com? Great place to go to learn about cirque, but bad place to go to ask questions! If any info you ask about is available on any media, and wouldnt be directly privileged cirque stuff (which they wont reveal anyway), you get totally flamed by all the moderators on the board! (I havent been over in ahwile, so just IIRC IMO)

I love it when people combine swing and aerials! Id love to see what Oleg would do within the constraints of WCS showcase routine...

Dave

12-08-2005, 04:20 AM

Yup, and Im a total cirque du soleil junky! As an ex-hand2hand acrobat (we just street performed, nothing cool) I love watching that stuff, its like the epitomy of cool!I'm in awe - we've pretty much topped out at around the level of the bigger lifts you'll see in WCS showcase (I can lift 1-handed, but not with enough reliability for routines). Hand-to-hand is a big step up from there.

I wish oleg and tatiana were still in varekai, I suppose as well as tat being injured, their choreography was too close to the choreography of body skaters, so they didnt get much shock and awe value from the crowd... Just heresay so dont quote me!Looks like I just did (quote you that is!). Strange, because I loved their routine in Varekai - I really like the romantic, fluid style as opposed to the pure "acro".

Ever been to the cirque du soleil forum www.cirquetribune.com? Great place to go to learn about cirque, but bad place to go to ask questions!I've lurked on a Cirque forum, but can't remember which one I'm afraid.

chandra

12-08-2005, 08:14 AM

there is one on the official website, and then there was an old one, but that got shut down and replaced by CT... It was probably CT you were on, unless it was more than 2 years ago! CT was my first forum, unfortunately the sheer volume of people on there asking hoe to contact the atherton twins kinda ruined it!

Yah, I love Oleg and tatianas act!

I was never really very good, Alot of my friends were though, they went and spent a year at toronto school of circus arts training like 7 hours a day! One of my friends (incidently ex-acro partner for a brief stint) was invited to audition for cirque!

Dave

12-08-2005, 08:45 AM

there is one on the official website, and then there was an old one, but that got shut down and replaced by CT... It was probably CT you were on, unless it was more than 2 years ago! CT was my first forum, unfortunately the sheer volume of people on there asking hoe to contact the atherton twins kinda ruined it!It was pretty recent - I got "Fire Within" as a birthday present this year, and ended up looking for info in a "where are they now?" kind of way!

I was never really very good, Nor us! We started doing aerials in our 30s, and although we've gone a lot further than we ever thought we could, there's only so much the body can learn, and only so much stress it can take!

MAJ28

12-09-2005, 10:30 AM

http://www.doubleornothing.org/rich%20and%20emily%20-%20death%20drop.jpg

Dave

12-09-2005, 01:07 PM

http://www.doubleornothing.org/rich%20and%20emily%20-%20death%20drop.jpg
Variation on the theme from our wedding dance (http://www.btinternet.com/~david.w.franklin/Wedding/first_dance_drop.jpg)...

Medira

12-09-2005, 01:19 PM

Variation on the theme from our wedding dance (http://www.btinternet.com/~david.w.franklin/Wedding/first_dance_drop.jpg)...
Wow. Your wife was brave to do that in that gown. I would have been so afraid to step on the hem as I was being raised back up...and knowing my luck, I would have stepped on it and ended up on my rump.

Dave

12-09-2005, 06:01 PM

Wow. Your wife was brave to do that in that gown. I would have been so afraid to step on the hem as I was being raised back up...and knowing my luck, I would have stepped on it and ended up on my rump.Not as brave as she was to do the overhead lifts (http://www.btinternet.com/~david.w.franklin/PhotoGallery/FullRes/quaw.jpg)! (We met because we were both looking for aerials partners, so it was kind of appropriate). She did make sure she chose a dress she could dance in, and although I kept tradition and never saw the dress before the day, she had a bridesmaid dress of similar length and weight we could practice in. So we had a fairly good idea what worked and what didn't.

Medira

12-10-2005, 11:52 PM

Not as brave as she was to do the overhead lifts (http://www.btinternet.com/~david.w.franklin/PhotoGallery/FullRes/quaw.jpg)! (We met because we were both looking for aerials partners, so it was kind of appropriate). She did make sure she chose a dress she could dance in, and although I kept tradition and never saw the dress before the day, she had a bridesmaid dress of similar length and weight we could practice in. So we had a fairly good idea what worked and what didn't.
http://www.burntnotes.com/chatcircle/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif

:notworth:

Flat Shoes

12-11-2005, 04:25 AM