guys place to vent or share our thoughts on women

[mr bixx]

guys we need a thread to vent about women in our lifes. we all have drama and problems with them so lets here it.
i'll go first. i'm so sick of women who cant make decisions and play games. why cant they just know what they want.

[Laura]

So wait, do you want just the bad women to stay out of this thread, or are all women bad so no women are allowed in this thread at all?

Sounds like the woman in question was lacking the maturity to say and do what she really wanted, and so was letting herself be fickle, and that you got jerked around in the process. I hate it when people -- male or female -- do that. It just seems that some people are consciously (or subconsciously) so afraid of making a decision that they don't, and that affects the people around them. It's like they feel they have to do the hip thing, or the thing to please others, and can't just make a plan and make it work.

Sorry this happened to you...it nearly happened to a friend of mine. Her dance partner couldn't decide if he wanted to keep dancing or not. She was fine with either decision -- she just wanted a final answer from him so she could move on and make other plans. We finally figured out that it was a maturity thing with him, and even though she would take "yes" or "no" as an answer, he couldn't bring himself to make a decision because he was afraid he'd feel guilty about it -- even though she had pre-absolved him of any guilt. My thought was that he should just get over himself and make a decision. Fear (of guilt, of anger, of making mistakes, of being preceived as being a certain way or not) keep so many people from just getting stuff done. What a waste of time and energy.

[mr bixx]

good post. i was just wanting to have a spot where us guys can stick together and vent about women in our lives. on alot of forums i'm on they have a ladys only forum and i can just about imagine what goes on in there lol.

[Laura]

We talked about female health issues. You should be glad you avoided it. I'll leave you guys to vent now.

[foursquare]

So wait, do you want just the bad women to stay out of this thread, or are all women bad so no women are allowed in this thread at all?

Sounds like the woman in question was lacking the maturity to say and do what she really wanted, and so was letting herself be fickle, and that you got jerked around in the process. I hate it when people -- male or female -- do that. It just seems that some people are consciously (or subconsciously) so afraid of making a decision that they don't, and that affects the people around them. It's like they feel they have to do the hip thing, or the thing to please others, and can't just make a plan and make it work.

Sorry this happened to you...it nearly happened to a friend of mine. Her dance partner couldn't decide if he wanted to keep dancing or not. She was fine with either decision -- she just wanted a final answer from him so she could move on and make other plans. We finally figured out that it was a maturity thing with him, and even though she would take "yes" or "no" as an answer, he couldn't bring himself to make a decision because he was afraid he'd feel guilty about it -- even though she had pre-absolved him of any guilt. My thought was that he should just get over himself and make a decision. Fear (of guilt, of anger, of making mistakes, of being preceived as being a certain way or not) keep so many people from just getting stuff done. What a waste of time and energy.

You have got to be kidding me. It took exactly ONE POST before a female was in here commenting (and yapped away for 3 pretty long paragraphs by my reckoning.)

Sheesh. Chicks.

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( :wink: )

[Patapouf]

Why focused on the negatives? :roll: Why not make a place where guys can gather around and compliment and praise how the women in their lives have lightened up their lives?? :tongue:

[Patapouf]

Well foursquare, how can we help but to check it out when we see such an offensive title?? :roll: :lol:

[tacad]

guys we need a thread to vent about women in our lifes. we all have drama and problems with them so lets here it.
i'll go first. i'm so sick of women who cant make decisions and play games. why cant they just know what they want.
Don't hang out with such women. And Laura is more than welcome!

[mr bixx]

please negative. sense the sarcasim :cry: yes yuo are all bad bad women.

[jon]

Women are people. People are complicated. Hang out with people whose complications are ones you can deal with, and life will be less stressful.

[mr bixx]

can someone close this? this is gonna go the opposite way then what i wanted.

[foursquare]

Well foursquare, how can we help but to check it out when we see such an offensive title?? :roll: :lol:

It didn't say "Women stay out" it said "BAD women stay out." Now, if you took offense to that, what does THAT say about you? Hm? Hm?

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(I wish I had a real gripe about women, but I seem to only meet the nice ones. Get along great with my girlfriend [who even let's me say things like "Sheesh, chicks." without too much violence], get along great with my Mom, get along great with my daughter... jeez, I get along great with my ex-wife. Maybe we should let the "bad women" in just so we know what to watch out for!)

[Pacion]

Hmmm it is interesting the different definitions of "bad women" :wink: Amazing what a couple of generations can do :wink:

(I hope I am not hijacking. Now THAT would be bad, wouldn't it :twisted: :lol: )

[Vince A]

Honestly . . . I like bad, VERY BAD women!!! :twisted:

[foursquare]

Hmmm it is interesting the different definitions of "bad women" :wink: Amazing what a couple of generations can do :wink:

"I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints: the sinners are much more fun. Only the good die young."

You got me thinking of other definitions for "bad women."

Mmmmm... bad women. :twisted:

(I hope I am not hijacking. Now THAT would be bad, wouldn't it :twisted: :lol: )

I think it was hijacked by the second post. You're safe.

[Vince A]

Well . . . . two of us went there . . . . . . . . . . .

[foursquare]

Well . . . . two of us went there . . . . . . . . . . .

Great minds (and ours) think alike!

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[Patapouf]

Honestly . . . I like bad, VERY BAD women!!! :twisted:

Hi Vince, you and I are for each other then! :raisebro: :twisted: :lol:

[Patapouf]

It didn't say "Women stay out" it said "BAD women stay out." Now, if you took offense to that, what does THAT say about you? Hm? Hm?


Well, I am bad bad bad and never try to hide it! :tongue: :mrgreen: :lol:

[foursquare]

It didn't say "Women stay out" it said "BAD women stay out." Now, if you took offense to that, what does THAT say about you? Hm? Hm?


Well, I am bad bad bad and never try to hide it! :tongue: :mrgreen: :lol:

It started as a thread to b*tch about women it's turned into a big ol' love fest between the sexes.

I proclaim this thread officially hijacked. Sorry Bixx.

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[mr bixx]

lateeeeeee

[Vince A]

Honestly . . . I like bad, VERY BAD women!!! :twisted:

Hi Vince, you and I are for each other then! :raisebro: :twisted: :lol:
Well . . . tell me . . . how "bad" you are . . .

[tj]

Are we starting a club? 8)

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[DancePoet]

Why focused on the negatives? :roll: Why not make a place where guys can gather around and compliment and praise how the women in their lives have lightened up their lives?? :tongue:
Yes, but I do that all the time. :roll: :wink: :lol:

[DancePoet]

Well foursquare, how can we help but to check it out when we see such an offensive title?? :roll: :lol:
I agree and I'm a guy ... Mr. Bixx, can we just call this a "Guys Only, For Venting About The Ladies In Our Lives"?

Not sure I'll do much venting, but at least the thread title would sound less offensive. ;)

[DancePoet]

Women are people. People are complicated. Hang out with people whose complications are ones you can deal with, and life will be less stressful.
Amen! :D

[DancePoet]

Well foursquare, how can we help but to check it out when we see such an offensive title?? :roll: :lol:

It didn't say "Women stay out" it said "BAD women stay out." Now, if you took offense to that, what does THAT say about you? Hm? Hm?
But this could be miss interpreted. ;)

[DancePoet]

Hmmm it is interesting the different definitions of "bad women" :wink: Amazing what a couple of generations can do :wink:

(I hope I am not hijacking. Now THAT would be bad, wouldn't it :twisted: :lol: )
Pacion? Bad? No way. :mrgreen: :wink: :lol:

[DancePoet]

(I hope I am not hijacking. Now THAT would be bad, wouldn't it :twisted: :lol: )
I think it was hijacked by the second post. You're safe.
Hijacking is permited in Dancer's Anonymous and Fun & Inspiration. And that's not to say tangents aren't permited in the dance related forums, but we just need to be careful to steer it back to the topic at hand, too. ;) :)

[Pebbles]

Well looking at how the ladies took over this topic, this is just like real life: we guys think we are in charge and make all the rules, while in reality women laugh at our feeble attempts, and they always have the last words :lol:

[DancePoet]

Well looking at how the ladies took over this topic, this is just like real life: we guys think we are in charge and make all the rules, while in reality women laugh at our feeble attempts, and they always have the last words :lol:
This was a humorous way to bring this thread back on track. ;) :lol:

[Vince A]

Well looking at how the ladies took over this topic, this is just like real life: we guys think we are in charge and make all the rules, while in reality women laugh at our feeble attempts, and they always have the last words :lol:
As long as I say, "Please Dear . . . can I be in charge?" she doesn't laughs me . . . . . . . :wink:

[tacad]

Women are people. People are complicated. Hang out with people whose complications are ones you can deal with, and life will be less stressful.
Amen! :D
Yup!

[GalacticDancer44M]

You can't always get what you wantttt, but if you try sometime

You just might fiiiind, You get what you neeeed! Ohhh baby!


Or so they say! :)


I can vent too, but it wouldn't correct anything. Also, another thing worth mentioning, before you point a finger at anyone just remember that you have 3 of your own finger's pointing back at yourself. I've had to take a step back and re-examine myself too. We keep repeating the same mistakes in our lives until we learn from them and then you get to face a new challenge.

I think we've all been disappointed at some point, but you just have to keep positive and keep searchin for that queen of all your dreams and if you find her, let me know if she has a sister! :lol:

[Patapouf]

Honestly . . . I like bad, VERY BAD women!!! :twisted:

Hi Vince, you and I are for each other then! :raisebro: :twisted: :lol:
Well . . . tell me . . . how "bad" you are . . .

Will you be able to handle the truths?? :roll: :nope:

[Patapouf]

Why focused on the negatives? :roll: Why not make a place where guys can gather around and compliment and praise how the women in their lives have lightened up their lives?? :tongue:
Yes, but I do that all the time. :roll: :wink: :lol:

See I know that DP is a great guy! :wink:

[pygmalion]

Okay. Fine. You've reeled me in. I was going to respect the thread's title, but heck! Nobody else is.

Yes, there are some awful, indirect, deceptive women (and men) out there. Not sure why. But, through my life's journey, I've come to think there are three ... no, four groups of people. The "good" people who always do right by others. (A minority.) The "bad" people who screw with other people's hearts and don't care. (Another minority, IMO.) And the "good" people who look bad, because they're heartbroken, or immature, or indecisive, or just going through a bad time in their lives. (The majority, IMO.) Oh yeah, and type four, the people who are mature and confident and ready to enter into a successful relationship that lasts. (The smallest minority of all, sad to say.)

Some people are just rotten to the core. Not many, I think.

I honestly think most people are good, or at least have good intentions. Unfortunately, because of their own baggage, even the "good" ones will sometimes play games or break your heart or whatever. Love life really stinks... sometimes.

Golly! It's amazing that anybody's together and happy at all. :?

Okay. So that's my one-and-a-half cents. I'm out. :wink: 8)

[delamusica]

Well foursquare, how can we help but to check it out when we see such an offensive title?? :roll: :lol:

Really - at least our "ladies only" thread had PLEASE in the title ! :tongue:

[Patapouf]

I agree and I'm a guy ... Mr. Bixx, can we just call this a "Guys Only, For Venting About The Ladies In Our Lives"?

OK, actually, to be seriously, I really think the title should be changed, because it does sound offensive. The one that DP suggested is pretty good, it serves the purpose with a sense of humor.

[tacad]

I can vent too, but it wouldn't correct anything. Also, another thing worth mentioning, before you point a finger at anyone just remember that you have 3 of your own finger's pointing back at yourself. I've had to take a step back and re-examine myself too. We keep repeating the same mistakes in our lives until we learn from them and then you get to face a new challenge.
Yup!

[tacad]

I agree and I'm a guy ... Mr. Bixx, can we just call this a "Guys Only, For Venting About The Ladies In Our Lives"?

OK, actually, to be seriously, I really think the title should be changed, because it does sound offensive. The one that DP suggested is pretty good, it serves the purpose with a sense of humor.
Mr. bixx, do you know that you are the only one who can change the title? (outside of a mod I suppose but they won't in this case.)

[Vince A]

How about . . .

"Guys Only, For Discussing The Ladies In Our Lives"? . . . or . . .

How about . . .

"The Things About Your Lady That Makes/Breaks Your Day" . . . or . . .

How about . . .

Discuss The Things About Your Lady That You Would Only Discuss With Your Priest"

[Vince A]

Honestly . . . I like bad, VERY BAD women!!! :twisted:

Hi Vince, you and I are for each other then! :raisebro: :twisted: :lol:
Well . . . tell me . . . how "bad" you are . . .

Will you be able to handle the truths?? :roll: :nope:
If you want me to "handle it" myself, all you have to do is ask . . .

[pygmalion]

How about . . .

"Guys Only, For Discussing The Ladies In Our Lives"? . . . or . . .

How about . . .

"The Things About Your Lady That Makes/Breaks Your Day" . . . or . . .

How about . . .

Discuss The Things About Your Lady That You Would Only Discuss With Your Priest"

Hmm. I didn't find the title offensive at all. Tongue in cheek, maybe. But I took no offense.

Okay. So now I'm really out. :wink: 8)

[GalacticDancer44M]

The dancing community is like a family. We shouldn't separate ourselves from each other. We need each other. It's ok to express your disappointment about a situation, but let's not attack the whole gender. I think the women on here would be your best ally and can offer great advice.

[dsprtn87]

im only 17 but ive had two decently long relationships, one 1 1-2 yrs the other 6 monthd, both of em cheated on me, then led me on after i forgave because they were "scared" to hurt me. But besides them i am friends with oneof em the other wont talk tome because she "doesnt want to hurt me" but..................... girls are just as confusing as they are *******ing. for every problem they give me, i am amazed at how great i feel sometimes after just talkin with some of my friends that are girlks

[etchuck]

"Women ... can't live with 'em... pass the beer nuts" ??? :)

Honestly, I do enough venting about women to WOMEN. I don't have a problem relating to women... maybe I relate to them way too well.

[dsprtn87]

the only thing i seem to relate to "women" is that God created us.....everything else is beyond me. But liek i said earlier, the headaches are worth the moments of ........................wait more headaches nevermind my bad

[Joe]

Well foursquare, how can we help but to check it out when we see such an offensive title?? :roll: :lol:

It didn't say "Women stay out" it said "BAD women stay out." Now, if you took offense to that, what does THAT say about you? Hm? Hm?
But this could be miss interpreted. ;)
Groan...

[mr bixx]

"Women ... can't live with 'em... pass the beer nuts" ??? :)

Honestly, I do enough venting about women to WOMEN. I don't have a problem relating to women... maybe I relate to them way too well.

i thought it was "women, cant live with them, get life for killin em."

[mamboqueen]

Okay....I'm not even going to the beginning of this thread, but just remember...


it was a woman who changed your stinky diapers!

[tacad]

Not to infringe on DancePoets' style, but there is just too much good material in this thread. So....

[tacad]

Honestly . . . I like bad, VERY BAD women!!! :twisted:

Hi Vince, you and I are for each other then! :raisebro: :twisted: :lol:
Well . . . tell me . . . how "bad" you are . . .

Will you be able to handle the truths?? :roll: :nope:
Women cannot handle the truth about men. I've tried. But I wonder if men cannot handle the truth about women, whatever that may be. :?

[tacad]

Honestly . . . I like bad, VERY BAD women!!! :twisted:

Hi Vince, you and I are for each other then! :raisebro: :twisted: :lol:
Well . . . tell me . . . how "bad" you are . . .

Will you be able to handle the truths?? :roll: :nope:
If you want me to "handle it" myself, all you have to do is ask . . . :doh:

[tacad]

The dancing community is like a family. We shouldn't separate ourselves from each other. We need each other. It's ok to express your disappointment about a situation, but let's not attack the whole gender. I think the women on here would be your best ally and can offer great advice.
Yup!

[tacad]

im only 17 but ive had two decently long relationships, one 1 1-2 yrs the other 6 monthd, both of em cheated on me, then led me on after i forgave because they were "scared" to hurt me. But besides them i am friends with oneof em the other wont talk tome because she "doesnt want to hurt me" but..................... girls are just as confusing as they are *******ing. for every problem they give me, i am amazed at how great i feel sometimes after just talkin with some of my friends that are girlks
ROTFL!

[tacad]

"Women ... can't live with 'em... pass the beer nuts" ??? :)

Honestly, I do enough venting about women to WOMEN. I don't have a problem relating to women... maybe I relate to them way too well.
Same thing for me, my friend. Though the worst advice about women I ever received came from a woman. It was "be her friend. Just be her friend before you ask her out." Awful advice. Put back my dating progress years. Women may understand women better than men (duh!) but men deal with women as romantic partners. Not women.

[tacad]

the only thing i seem to relate to "women" is that God created us.....everything else is beyond me. But liek i said earlier, the headaches are worth the moments of ........................wait more headaches nevermind my bad
ROTFLMAO! Oh, gosh! I'm gonna die laughing!

dsprtn87, you are wise beyond your years. Do not try and resolve the confusion. Rather resolve to live with it and to be confused a majority of the time. And that's ok. Just the way it is.

[tacad]

Well foursquare, how can we help but to check it out when we see such an offensive title?? :roll: :lol:

It didn't say "Women stay out" it said "BAD women stay out." Now, if you took offense to that, what does THAT say about you? Hm? Hm?
But this could be miss interpreted. ;)
Groan...
Double groan!

[tacad]

Okay....I'm not even going to the beginning of this thread, but just remember...


it was a woman who changed your stinky diapers!
And my father married a woman, and he's a pretty smart guy.

[MacMoto]

Women cannot handle the truth about men.
So... what's the truth? Do tell. Enquiring (female) minds would like to know. :lol:

[Sabor]

what?! ''bad women stay out'' u say :shock: .. well then, do both of us a huge favor and send'em my way pls! :mrgreen:

[bordertangoman]

I heard this on the radio the other day:

"When men talk to babies they get frustrated because they don't get a response, but women who are used to talking to men are also used to not getting a response because their boyfriends/husbands are not listening to them, therefore women are much better with babies while men get along better with children once they can talk."

[tacad]

Women cannot handle the truth about men.
So... what's the truth? Do tell. Enquiring (female) minds would like to know. :lol:
My closest female friends that I totally respect cannot handle the truth. There is no way I"m posting it on the internet. :lol:

[pygmalion]

You guys are killing me!!!

Here's my "truth" about men. They're deep, philosophical, kind and spiritual creatures ... if and only if they have enough money, good food in their bellies, and have had ... um ... sex recently.

Otherwise, all bets are off. :lol: :lol:

Sorry. I'm a cynic. I do love men, in general. But, to me, those three items look like the security needs that must be met before any higher level function kicks in. *shrug* Just how I see it. And I don't think that's a bad thing. Just the way it is. :lol: :lol:

[Sabor]

Here's my "truth" about men. They're deep, philosophical, kind and spiritual creatures ... if and only if they have enough money, good food in their bellies, and have had ... um ... sex recently.


True.. true.. but, not particularly in that order, if i may add :lol:

[pygmalion]

ROTFL! I was wondering if any of you guys would confess. :roll: :lol: :lol:

[Patapouf]

I heard this on the radio the other day:

"When men talk to babies they get frustrated because they don't get a response, but women who are used to talking to men are also used to not getting a response because their boyfriends/husbands are not listening to them, therefore women are much better with babies while men get along better with children once they can talk."
:doh: :lol: :lol:

[tacad]

You guys are killing me!!!

Here's my "truth" about men. They're deep, philosophical, kind and spiritual creatures ... if and only if they have enough money, good food in their bellies, and have had ... um ... sex recently.

Otherwise, all bets are off. :lol: :lol:

Sorry. I'm a cynic. I do love men, in general. But, to me, those three items look like the security needs that must be met before any higher level function kicks in. *shrug* Just how I see it. And I don't think that's a bad thing. Just the way it is. :lol: :lol:
Agreed. Not necessarily in that order. :wink: But the good men have a line that they will not cross. Seriously, what will a man do to get money, fill his belly, and get some. That makes the difference. And this insight came from a woman, not me.

[bordertangoman]

You guys are killing me!!!

Here's my "truth" about men. spiritual creatures ... if and only if they have enough money, good food in their bellies, and have had ... um ... sex recently.


If the above conditions are met we're not deep or philosophical we're asleep! :D :D

[tacad]

You guys are killing me!!!

Here's my "truth" about men. They're deep, philosophical, kind and spiritual creatures ... if and only if they have enough money, good food in their bellies, and have had ... um ... sex recently.

Otherwise, all bets are off. :lol: :lol:

Sorry. I'm a cynic. I do love men, in general. But, to me, those three items look like the security needs that must be met before any higher level function kicks in. *shrug* Just how I see it. And I don't think that's a bad thing. Just the way it is. :lol: :lol:
Agreed. Not necessarily in that order. :wink: But the good men have a line that they will not cross. Seriously, what will a man do to get money, fill his belly, and get some. That makes the difference. And this insight came from a woman, not me.
I'll even go one step further. Women want a man like this. They might call it financially secure, ambitious, experienced in relationships. They don't want to break in an inexperienced man (inexperienced in relationships). But how a man comes by these determines a good man from a bad man.

[ReneeJoan]

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[pygmalion]

Hmm. Interesting developments here. But I don't know or claim to know everything there is to know about men (or even myself, to get right down to it. :oops: :wink: )

Just sharing what I've observed. 8)

Yes, RJ, we do all have the capacity to rise to our higher selves or cater to our baser instincts exclusively. True. My observation, and I stand by it, is that, in order to be in a healthy, reciprocal relationship with someone of the opposite sex, one has to take the time to try to understand and meet the other person's needs, whatever they are, without judgment. Needs. There's nothing wrong with wanting ones survival needs met first. That is human, too. Self actualization comes later.

I really believe that a lot of relationships go bad because ... no, let me personalize it so I'm not putting words in anybody's mouth but mine.

What I've learned in the handful of relationships I've had is to stop superimposing my prejudices and my needs on the other person. Life is a lot easier and relationships more successful when I just accept him as he is, meet his needs that I'm willing or able to meet, and clearly communicate my limits and what I need from him. Bottom line. (Most) men and (most) women are just not motivated by the same things, or at least not in the same way, IMO. Which is to say, women like money, food and sex too. Those things may not always be primary motivators for me, but they're definitely high on my list of wants. :lol: :lol: There's nothing wrong with that, but that's just my view. 8)

I don't know if it bothers anyone other than me, but the whole imagery of men as chunks of meat seems a bit demeaning, to me. Sorry to quibble. :?

That said, has anybody besides me noticed that mr bixx is no longer involved in this thread, or that the thread is totally off on a tangent that has nothing to do with what he asked? :roll: :?

[ReneeJoan]

Dear Pygmalion:

My analogy about veal was meant as a joke, however, if it is offensive, then I apologize for it, withdraw it, and will stop using it.

Renee

[pygmalion]

LOL! I was looking forward to a Mrs. Robinson experience, myself. :twisted: :wink: :lol: I just hope I can carry it off half as well as Anne Bancroft. She was priceless! 8)

[tacad]

And never mind. :wink:

[jon]

They want the same things we all want – to love and be loved, to share their thoughts and ideas and lives with someone who understands and appreciates them, to achieve and build, to be respected by the people they respect, to have their souls honored.

Don't leave out the sex!

[ReneeJoan]

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[pygmalion]

They want the same things we all want – to love and be loved, to share their thoughts and ideas and lives with someone who understands and appreciates them, to achieve and build, to be respected by the people they respect, to have their souls honored.

Don't leave out the sex!

ROTFLMAO!! Why am I suddenly struck with the realization that I need to reorder my priority list on men's needs? Hmm. :roll: :lol: :lol:

[tacad]

They want the same things we all want – to love and be loved, to share their thoughts and ideas and lives with someone who understands and appreciates them, to achieve and build, to be respected by the people they respect, to have their souls honored.

Don't leave out the sex!

ROTFLMAO!! Why am I suddenly struck with the realization that I need to reorder my priority list on men's needs? Hmm. :roll: :lol: :lol:
Yup!

[tacad]

In fact, now I remember one of my guy friends telling me that men do everything to get a woman. The job, the car, the hobbies, they are all about getting women. I completely disagreed with him at that time. I am not completely convinced of this now, but.... :roll: :lol:

[bordertangoman]

In fact, now I remember one of my guy friends telling me that men do everything to get a woman. The job, the car, the hobbies, they are all about getting women. I completely disagreed with him at that time. I am not completely convinced of this now, but.... :roll: :lol:

yup; its 'when Harry met Sally' all over.

[Vince A]

The job, the car, the hobbies, they are all about getting women. I completely disagreed with him at that time. I am not completely convinced of this now, but.... :roll: :lol:
Give up . . . if you are not convinced by now, one of these cuties on the DF will tell you why you "must be convinced."

[bordertangoman]

According to scientific surveys a man thinks about sex every six seconds, but with practice he can get it down to 4and a half.

[dsprtn87]

In fact, now I remember one of my guy friends telling me that men do everything to get a woman. The job, the car, the hobbies, they are all about getting women. I completely disagreed with him at that time. I am not completely convinced of this now, but....

i honestly tried to tell a friend of mine this, but she refused to believe me. I sadly shook my head and walked away because she wouldn't believe me......................... and its definatley true. The general idea to getting to know a woman is to get with them. Like it or not thats how it is ladies

[dsprtn87]

i keep trying to put that in quotes but can't get it oh well the first paragrapgh was from tacad i belive. And not just things guys do, n general almost ny nice act towards a specific girl as well are aimed for getting a girl

[mr bixx]

hmmm sex. got my attention back to this thread. oh yeah i renamed it for some of the whining people :shock:

[SDsalsaguy]

i keep trying to put that in quotes but can't get it oh well the first paragrapgh was from tacad i belive. And not just things guys do, n general almost ny nice act towards a specific girl as well are aimed for getting a girl

All you need to do is put quote tags around the text in question:
[quote]blah, blah, blah, blah..............[/quote]
...to get this:
blah, blah, blah, blah..............

If you want it to say who the quote is from, the opening quote tage needs to include ="name" inside the tag, like this:
[quote="name"]blah, blah, blah, blah..............[/quote]
...to get this:
blah, blah, blah, blah..............

HTH 8)

[tacad]

In fact, now I remember one of my guy friends telling me that men do everything to get a woman. The job, the car, the hobbies, they are all about getting women. I completely disagreed with him at that time. I am not completely convinced of this now, but....

i honestly tried to tell a friend of mine this, but she refused to believe me. I sadly shook my head and walked away because she wouldn't believe me......................... and its definatley true. The general idea to getting to know a woman is to get with them. Like it or not thats how it is ladies
And this is what I mean. You tell women this and they look at men as though they are scum. That or they don't believe you. I've decided they are better off not knowing. At least I won't tell anyone not reading this thread! :lol:

[pygmalion]

Some women know the truth. Men and women (disclaimer: most men and most women) are wired differently from each other.

I think a lot of people waste a lot of time trying to deny that fact or trying to get around it, or worse, trying to make the opposite sex think, act, or feel the same as their own sex (or else feel guilty.) But it's a fact. People are different. So work it! :wink: :lol:

That said, it cuts both ways, guys. And I, for one, don't think women, as a rule, are nearly as straight-forward as most men are. Women are way complicated, most of us. Good luck figuring out what we want. :twisted: :lol: I know I can't figure out any general rules, and I've been a woman for a long time. :lol: :lol:

[pygmalion]

Oh yeah, and forget the Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus stuff. When I read those books, I had to laugh... or puke. Dr. Gray got a whole lot of stuff wrong, at least from my view. Women aren't quite that simple. :?

[tacad]

Some women know the truth. Men and women (disclaimer: most men and most women) are wired differently from each other.
:notworth:

I think a lot of people waste a lot of time trying to deny that fact or trying to get around it, or worse, trying to make the opposite sex think, act, or feel the same as their own sex (or else feel guilty.) But it's a fact. People are different. So work it! :wink: :lol:
:notworth:

That said, it cuts both ways, guys. And I, for one, don't think women, as a rule, are nearly as straight-forward as most men are. Women are way complicated, most of us. Good luck figuring out what we want. :twisted: :lol: I know I can't figure out any general rules, and I've been a woman for a long time. :lol: :lol:
:notworth:

[tacad]

Oh yeah, and forget the Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus stuff. When I read those books, I had to laugh... or puke. Dr. Gray got a whole lot of stuff wrong, at least from my view. Women aren't quite that simple. :?
Any chance of a few more details, oh insightful one?

We go into the cave, and you are the rubberband, right? :lol:

[MacMoto]

Rubberband? :?

[pygmalion]

I actually think he had some reasonable points, in places. The gross generalizations are what turned me off the most. I actually identified with about half the "Venusian"characteristics and about half the "Martian." So much for women are from Venus. But then, I guess that "Many Women are from Venus a Lot of the Time" wouldn't have played quite as well as a book title. :roll: :lol:

And re: rubberbands, caves, dragons and other things. The book uses a series of analogies to get its ideas across. Not worth pondering, IMO, unless you want to read the book(s) and see what's in them for you. 8)

The books may be worth a browse the next time you're at the bookseller, since this guy has positioned himself as the relationship guru and is everywhere -- mass market paperbacks, newspaper columns, the whole nine yards. Eh. :?

[blue]

oh yeah i renamed it for some of the whining people :shock:
For that we thank you. All of a sudden it does not give the first impression of something sexistic.

[Sabor]

I know I can't figure out any general rules, and I've been a woman for a long time. :lol: :lol:

so i guess u had an operation at some point early on huh.. well then good for u.. i read somewhere that the longer u wait the more complicated it gets.. :shock:









:lol: :lol:

[pygmalion]

I knew my instinct to stay out of this stinkin thread was a good one. :roll: :tongue:

[tj]

The books may be worth a browse the next time you're at the bookseller, since this guy has positioned himself as the relationship guru and is everywhere -- mass market paperbacks, newspaper columns, the whole nine yards. Eh. :?

Plus, hasn't he been divorced a whole bunch of times?

[pygmalion]

I believe so. At least one divorce. Him, and Dr. Phil, the other relationship fixer-upper guy. Hmm. :?

[tj]

I believe so. At least one divorce. Him, and Dr. Phil, the other relationship fixer-upper guy. Hmm. :?

And if I remember right, the woma(e)n who wrote "The Rules", too.

[Vince A]

Not every man thinks about sex every 4 to 6 seconds . . . as is evidenced by this late-released news flash . . .

URGENT UPDATE ..........................

Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 19:23:15 EST

Dr. Calvin Rickson, a scientist from Texas A&M University, has
invented a bra that keeps women's breasts from jiggling and prevents
the nipples from pushing through the fabric when cold weather sets in.

At today's news conference announcing the invention, a large group of
men took Dr. Rickson outside and kicked the s**t out of him.

[Sabor]

HAHAHAHAA!

[DancePoet]

Why focused on the negatives? :roll: Why not make a place where guys can gather around and compliment and praise how the women in their lives have lightened up their lives?? :tongue:
Yes, but I do that all the time. :roll: :wink: :lol:

See I know that DP is a great guy! :wink:
Thanks Patapouf. :D

[DancePoet]

Well foursquare, how can we help but to check it out when we see such an offensive title?? :roll: :lol:

Really - at least our "ladies only" thread had PLEASE in the title ! :tongue:
And if I recall the same thread you are, we guys didn't stay out anyway. ;) :lol:

[DancePoet]

I agree and I'm a guy ... Mr. Bixx, can we just call this a "Guys Only, For Venting About The Ladies In Our Lives"?

OK, actually, to be seriously, I really think the title should be changed, because it does sound offensive. The one that DP suggested is pretty good, it serves the purpose with a sense of humor.
And the new title looks better, too. :)

[Patapouf]

Neither did we "bad women". :tongue:

[Patapouf]

Why focused on the negatives? :roll: Why not make a place where guys can gather around and compliment and praise how the women in their lives have lightened up their lives?? :tongue:
Yes, but I do that all the time. :roll: :wink: :lol:

See I know that DP is a great guy! :wink:
Thanks Patapouf. :D

Ask me to dance and you'll be even greater! :mrgreen: :tongue:

[DancePoet]

I can vent too, but it wouldn't correct anything. Also, another thing worth mentioning, before you point a finger at anyone just remember that you have 3 of your own finger's pointing back at yourself. I've had to take a step back and re-examine myself too. We keep repeating the same mistakes in our lives until we learn from them and then you get to face a new challenge.
Yup!
Yes, sometimes if we look at ourselves we might find the issue that is really causing the problem. However, I won't do this at the expense of my own self respect. My most recent lady friend just didn't seem to reciprocate in many ways. One person can't be responsible for the entire relationship, and one person can only be responsible for their side of the relationship.

[DancePoet]

Okay....I'm not even going to the beginning of this thread, but just remember...

it was a woman who changed your stinky diapers!
Oh? My mother wasn't the only one. ;)

[DancePoet]

Not to infringe on DancePoets' style, but there is just too much good material in this thread. So....
:lol: No problem Tacad.

[DancePoet]

Honestly . . . I like bad, VERY BAD women!!! :twisted:

Hi Vince, you and I are for each other then! :raisebro: :twisted: :lol:
Well . . . tell me . . . how "bad" you are . . .

Will you be able to handle the truths?? :roll: :nope:
Women cannot handle the truth about men. I've tried. But I wonder if men cannot handle the truth about women, whatever that may be. :?
Truth is so important, and yet because most people can't handle truth well, people end up being untruthful to eachother and this only causes more problems then the truth. :(

I truthfully, with respect, shared how I felt in my last note to my most recent lady friend, and unfortunately I haven't heard back. :(

[DancePoet]

"Women ... can't live with 'em... pass the beer nuts" ??? :)

Honestly, I do enough venting about women to WOMEN. I don't have a problem relating to women... maybe I relate to them way too well.
Same thing for me, my friend. Though the worst advice about women I ever received came from a woman. It was "be her friend. Just be her friend before you ask her out." Awful advice. Put back my dating progress years. Women may understand women better than men (duh!) but men deal with women as romantic partners. Not women.
Early on in a relationship it seems to be more about romance rather then friendship. The similarities seem to contribute to the attraction, but eventually the differences begin to arise. If a couple can find a constructive and healthy way to resolve the differences, if their commitments to one another are equal, then they can develop the real friendship we are looking for beyond that early stage.

[DancePoet]

Well foursquare, how can we help but to check it out when we see such an offensive title?? :roll: :lol:

It didn't say "Women stay out" it said "BAD women stay out." Now, if you took offense to that, what does THAT say about you? Hm? Hm?
But this could be miss interpreted. ;)
Groan...
Double groan!
Well, I moved past the first, but now ...

Quadruple groan!

[NeoDevin]

Women... Can't live with 'em... Running out of places to hide bodies...

[DancePoet]

Women cannot handle the truth about men.
So... what's the truth? Do tell. Enquiring (female) minds would like to know. :lol:
My closest female friends that I totally respect cannot handle the truth. There is no way I"m posting it on the internet. :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Besides, it might turn into a book. ;)

[DancePoet]

You guys are killing me!!!

Here's my "truth" about men. They're deep, philosophical, kind and spiritual creatures ... if and only if they have enough money, good food in their bellies, and have had ... um ... sex recently.

Otherwise, all bets are off. :lol: :lol:

Sorry. I'm a cynic. I do love men, in general. But, to me, those three items look like the security needs that must be met before any higher level function kicks in. *shrug* Just how I see it. And I don't think that's a bad thing. Just the way it is. :lol: :lol:
Wait ... what was the title of this thread? ;) :lol:

[DancePoet]

ROTFL! I was wondering if any of you guys would confess. :roll: :lol: :lol:
And dare I ask the next question? Oh what the heck, what about your confessions? ;) :lol:

[DancePoet]

You guys are killing me!!!

Here's my "truth" about men. They're deep, philosophical, kind and spiritual creatures ... if and only if they have enough money, good food in their bellies, and have had ... um ... sex recently.

Otherwise, all bets are off. :lol: :lol:

Sorry. I'm a cynic. I do love men, in general. But, to me, those three items look like the security needs that must be met before any higher level function kicks in. *shrug* Just how I see it. And I don't think that's a bad thing. Just the way it is. :lol: :lol:
Agreed. Not necessarily in that order. :wink: But the good men have a line that they will not cross. Seriously, what will a man do to get money, fill his belly, and get some. That makes the difference. And this insight came from a woman, not me.
Yes, their character is very important, man or woman, no matter what their desires are. ;)

[DancePoet]

You guys are killing me!!!

Here's my "truth" about men. spiritual creatures ... if and only if they have enough money, good food in their bellies, and have had ... um ... sex recently.


If the above conditions are met we're not deep or philosophical we're asleep! :D :D
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[DancePoet]

Hmm. Interesting developments here. But I don't know or claim to know everything there is to know about men (or even myself, to get right down to it. :oops: :wink: )

Just sharing what I've observed. 8)

Yes, RJ, we do all have the capacity to rise to our higher selves or cater to our baser instincts exclusively. True. My observation, and I stand by it, is that, in order to be in a healthy, reciprocal relationship with someone of the opposite sex, one has to take the time to try to understand and meet the other person's needs, whatever they are, without judgment. Needs. There's nothing wrong with wanting ones survival needs met first. That is human, too. Self actualization comes later.

I really believe that a lot of relationships go bad because ... no, let me personalize it so I'm not putting words in anybody's mouth but mine.

What I've learned in the handful of relationships I've had is to stop superimposing my prejudices and my needs on the other person. Life is a lot easier and relationships more successful when I just accept him as he is, meet his needs that I'm willing or able to meet, and clearly communicate my limits and what I need from him. Bottom line. (Most) men and (most) women are just not motivated by the same things, or at least not in the same way, IMO. Which is to say, women like money, food and sex too. Those things may not always be primary motivators for me, but they're definitely high on my list of wants. :lol: :lol: There's nothing wrong with that, but that's just my view. 8)

I don't know if it bothers anyone other than me, but the whole imagery of men as chunks of meat seems a bit demeaning, to me. Sorry to quibble. :?
Nice post Pygmalion!

[DancePoet]

They want the same things we all want – to love and be loved, to share their thoughts and ideas and lives with someone who understands and appreciates them, to achieve and build, to be respected by the people they respect, to have their souls honored.
Thank you!

[DancePoet]

hmmm sex. got my attention back to this thread. oh yeah i renamed it for some of the whining people :shock:
And we appreciate the name change.

Now I'm wondering when all this talk about guys is going to move in the direction of the ladies? ;) :lol:

[DancePoet]

Some women know the truth. Men and women (disclaimer: most men and most women) are wired differently from each other.

I think a lot of people waste a lot of time trying to deny that fact or trying to get around it, or worse, trying to make the opposite sex think, act, or feel the same as their own sex (or else feel guilty.) But it's a fact. People are different. So work it! :wink: :lol:

That said, it cuts both ways, guys. And I, for one, don't think women, as a rule, are nearly as straight-forward as most men are. Women are way complicated, most of us. Good luck figuring out what we want. :twisted: :lol: I know I can't figure out any general rules, and I've been a woman for a long time. :lol: :lol:
Ok, ok, ok ... you must have discovered something?

[DancePoet]

Oh yeah, and forget the Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus stuff. When I read those books, I had to laugh... or puke. Dr. Gray got a whole lot of stuff wrong, at least from my view. Women aren't quite that simple. :?
I agree. I haven't been too impressed by these either.

[DancePoet]

I actually think he had some reasonable points, in places. The gross generalizations are what turned me off the most. I actually identified with about half the "Venusian"characteristics and about half the "Martian." So much for women are from Venus. But then, I guess that "Many Women are from Venus a Lot of the Time" wouldn't have played quite as well as a book title. :roll: :lol:

And re: rubberbands, caves, dragons and other things. The book uses a series of analogies to get its ideas across. Not worth pondering, IMO, unless you want to read the book(s) and see what's in them for you. 8)

The books may be worth a browse the next time you're at the bookseller, since this guy has positioned himself as the relationship guru and is everywhere -- mass market paperbacks, newspaper columns, the whole nine yards. Eh. :?
Is there a way we can unposition him? ;)

[DancePoet]

Why focused on the negatives? :roll: Why not make a place where guys can gather around and compliment and praise how the women in their lives have lightened up their lives?? :tongue:
Yes, but I do that all the time. :roll: :wink: :lol:
See I know that DP is a great guy! :wink:
Thanks Patapouf. :D
Ask me to dance and you'll be even greater! :mrgreen: :tongue:
Would you like to dance?

What, when, and where would you like to dance? Do you have a favorite song I can ask the DJ to play? ;)

[DancePoet]

Women... Can't live with 'em... Running out of places to hide bodies...
:lol: Don't admit this too loudly. ;)

[tacad]

Ladies and gentlemen! The inimitable DancePoet!


:notworth: :notworth: :notworth:

Wait. He may not yet be done. :wink:

[DancePoet]

Ladies and gentlemen! The inimitable DancePoet!


:notworth: :notworth: :notworth:

Wait. He may not yet be done. :wink:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I looked back and didn't realize how many times I had posted till you mentioned it Tacad. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[tacad]

Not only that, it took over an hour. :lol:

[DancePoet]

Not only that, it took over an hour. :lol:
Yeah, but this was in between everything else I was doing, answering the phone, cooking and eating dinner, responding to a pm, etc.

[clave]

Here's my "truth" about men. They're deep, philosophical, kind and spiritual creatures ... if and only if they have enough money, good food in their bellies, and have had ... um ... sex recently.
Nah, that's just how we like women to see us. In reality we can be quite happy even while hungry and broke.


:twisted: :bouncy:

[clave]

In fact, now I remember one of my guy friends telling me that men do everything to get a woman. The job, the car, the hobbies, they are all about getting women. I completely disagreed with him at that time. I am not completely convinced of this now, but.... :roll: :lol:
Well, D'UH! The meaning of life is to make more of oneself! It's amazing the sorts of silly self-delusions human mind is capable of...

[clave]

And I, for one, don't think women, as a rule, are nearly as straight-forward as most men are. Women are way complicated, most of us. Good luck figuring out what we want. :twisted: :lol: I know I can't figure out any general rules, and I've been a woman for a long time. :lol: :lol:
Ah, finally we're getting back on topic. What you're saying is, all women are crazy. Amen. But let's keep that between us guys. :tongue:

[tacad]

Here's my "truth" about men. They're deep, philosophical, kind and spiritual creatures ... if and only if they have enough money, good food in their bellies, and have had ... um ... sex recently.
Nah, that's just how we like women to see us. In reality we can be quite happy even while hungry and broke.


:twisted: :bouncy:

:lol:

[tacad]

In fact, now I remember one of my guy friends telling me that men do everything to get a woman. The job, the car, the hobbies, they are all about getting women. I completely disagreed with him at that time. I am not completely convinced of this now, but.... :roll: :lol:
Well, D'UH! The meaning of life is to make more of oneself! It's amazing the sorts of silly self-delusions human mind is capable of...
This went way over my head. :?

[pygmalion]

Here's my "truth" about men. They're deep, philosophical, kind and spiritual creatures ... if and only if they have enough money, good food in their bellies, and have had ... um ... sex recently.
Nah, that's just how we like women to see us. In reality we can be quite happy even while hungry and broke.


:twisted: :bouncy:

:lol:

LOL! As long as there's sex to be had? :eyebrow:

Men crack me up. :lol: :lol:

[DancePoet]

They want the same things we all want – to love and be loved, to share their thoughts and ideas and lives with someone who understands and appreciates them, to achieve and build, to be respected by the people they respect, to have their souls honored.
Thank you!
Renee, I'm liking this more and more. :D

[tj]

It's all *your* fault, ladies!




I had a wonderful night last night, and it's all your fault! 8)

[DancePoet]

It's all *your* fault, ladies!

I had a wonderful night last night, and it's all your fault! 8)
:lol:

:shock: Wait ... what were you up to tj? ;) :lol:

[tj]

It's all *your* fault, ladies!

I had a wonderful night last night, and it's all your fault! 8)
:lol:

:shock: Wait ... what were you up to tj? ;) :lol:

Just dinner and dancing, DP... nothing more, nothing less. :wink:

[bordertangoman]

Well, D'UH! The meaning of life is to make more of oneself! It's amazing the sorts of silly self-delusions human mind is capable of...

I disagree(as usual, I guess this is trolling :wink: ) I don't think the meaning of life is to make more of oneself. More harm has been done by the parable of the three (or was it thirty?) talents. There is a very funny management book on how to avoid promation, which illustrates this point: As long as you are performing well you will continue to be promoted until you are in a position where you are incompetent. The trick is to recognise when you are doing okay then to avoid additional burden , more difficult tasks, or responsibilty that will cause stress.

Even the idea that we can become more can cause us to be less happy than we otherwise might be. Another illustration is the story of Ladakh by Norburg Schulz which showed how western education left a leaacy of disenfranchised young people, in a limbo between the traditional way of life which was to learn alongside your relatives in an agragarion livelihood, and a western system which gave skills of literacy etcetara but unable to find any work as they had no training.

I think we are too unquestioning about the benefits of education, and it does seem to create a hugae amount of distress when it comes to exam time. Huge societal pressures to 'better ourselves'

I may live in cloud cuckoo land, but I think there is a lot to be said for living a simple life like Thoreau's Walden. Nowt wrong with a pinch of ambition but stay in the moment; you can't be happy in the future (due to temporal anomalies) you can only be happy now. :lol: :lol:

[DancePoet]

It's all *your* fault, ladies!

I had a wonderful night last night, and it's all your fault! 8)
:lol:

:shock: Wait ... what were you up to tj? ;) :lol:

Just dinner and dancing, DP... nothing more, nothing less. :wink:
Sounds like fun! :D

I actually sent a note to lady friend of mine this morning with an invite for dinner and dancing this weekend. We shall see.

[tj]

I actually sent a note to lady friend of mine this morning with an invite for dinner and dancing this weekend. We shall see.

Ooo, congratulations! ...and EM want a full report later. :wink:

[Patapouf]

Hey DP, I noticed that you have mentioned your "lady friend" a couple of times now, anyone special??:raisebro: (Anything you want to vent about her. :roll: :wink: :lol: )

[Sabor]

I actually sent a note to lady friend of mine this morning with an invite for dinner and dancing this weekend. We shall see.

you are definitely a better man than i am DP!.. i just go and drag them screaming by the hair caveman on3 style :wink: :lol:

[DancePoet]

Hey DP, I noticed that you have mentioned your "lady friend" a couple of times now, anyone special??:raisebro: (Anything you want to vent about her. :roll: :wink: :lol: )
Hard to explain quickly. We met way back, I helped her find a place for dance lessons, then further out we decided to take some together. We did dinner, had fun with the lessons. I did romantic things like flowers, thank you notes, Xmas card, Xmas gift, but we haven't seen each other in way longer then I'm comfortable with. I've been patient and understanding regarding the various schedule issues, but it's gotten to the point where I politely told her last week how I was feeling and she didn't reply. Figure it is very likely over. Sent her one last invitation for the weekend. I also wrote that I hadn't heard back from her since my last email, and if I didn't hear back from this one, it would be along time before I contact her.

[DancePoet]

I actually sent a note to lady friend of mine this morning with an invite for dinner and dancing this weekend. We shall see.
you are definitely a better man than i am DP!.. i just go and drag them screaming by the hair caveman on3 style :wink: :lol:
:lol: If I have to drag them anywhere, then I should be unloading the dead weight. ;)

[Vince A]

Have any of you guys noticed how "the women" are controlling this thread???

A woman wrote "The Rules" . . .

Women whined and we changed the title of the thread . . .

Womens "insights" cause men to have full bellies, money in their pocket, and the need for getting some.

God, you just gotta love 'em!!!

And I do . . .

[tacad]

Well, D'UH! The meaning of life is to make more of oneself! It's amazing the sorts of silly self-delusions human mind is capable of...

I disagree(as usual, I guess this is trolling :wink: ) I don't think the meaning of life is to make more of oneself. More harm has been done by the parable of the three (or was it thirty?) talents. There is a very funny management book on how to avoid promation, which illustrates this point: As long as you are performing well you will continue to be promoted until you are in a position where you are incompetent. The trick is to recognise when you are doing okay then to avoid additional burden , more difficult tasks, or responsibilty that will cause stress.
Wow! Very insightful. Very true. Though you have to be good enough. If you are not good enough that can.... Ah, haven't got time right now. Full thought later. EDIT: Nah. I agree.

[DancePoet]

Have any of you guys noticed how "the women" are controlling this thread???

A woman wrote "The Rules" . . .

Women whined and we changed the title of the thread . . .

Womens "insights" cause men to have full bellies, money in their pocket, and the need for getting some.

God, you just gotta love 'em!!!

And I do . . .
Ayuh, and Patapouf even asked me to vent. ;) :lol:

[Vince A]

LMAO . . .

[Patapouf]

Hard to explain quickly. We met way back, I helped her find a place for dance lessons, then further out we decided to take some together. We did dinner, had fun with the lessons. I did romantic things like flowers, thank you notes, Xmas card, Xmas gift, but we haven't seen each other in way longer then I'm comfortable with. I've been patient and understanding regarding the various schedule issues, but it's gotten to the point where I politely told her last week how I was feeling and she didn't reply. Figure it is very likely over. Sent her one last invitation for the weekend. I also wrote that I hadn't heard back from her since my last email, and if I didn't hear back from this one, it would be along time before I contact her.

May be she is trying to figure out her own feelings before she replies? Give it some time and see what she says... I hope things will work out for you, but if it doesn't, you know that then may be she isn't the one, there's someone out there for everyone, that someone will come along sooner or later... :friend:

[clave]

Well, D'UH! The meaning of life is to make more of oneself! It's amazing the sorts of silly self-delusions human mind is capable of...

I disagree(as usual, I guess this is trolling :wink: ) I don't think the meaning of life is to make more of oneself. More harm has been done by the parable of the three (or was it thirty?) talents. There is a very funny management book on how to avoid promation, which illustrates this point: As long as you are performing well you will continue to be promoted until you are in a position where you are incompetent. The trick is to recognise when you are doing okay then to avoid additional burden , more difficult tasks, or responsibilty that will cause stress.

Ah my bad, shoulda elaborated. What I meant was a tongue-in-cheek "explanation" of why men think about sex all the time. It's that the meaning of life, by definition, is to produce more copies of yourself. No sex, no life. This whole civilization thing is just a side-effect of eons of humping. :)

[DancePoet]

May be she is trying to figure out her own feelings before she replies? Give it some time and see what she says... I hope things will work out for you, but if it doesn't, you know that then may be she isn't the one, there's someone out there for everyone, that someone will come along sooner or later... :friend:
Thanks Patapouf. I'll be fine. I feel like I've handled this situation better then any relationship issue ever. I've given her a lot of time, and things will workout either way, no matter what she chooses from here. :D

[bordertangoman]

Ah my bad, shoulda elaborated. What I meant was a tongue-in-cheek "explanation" of why men think about sex all the time. It's that the meaning of life, by definition, is to produce more copies of yourself. No sex, no life. This whole civilization thing is just a side-effect of eons of humping. :)

Yes, I agree. The biological imperative produces a whole of deceipts; including lust and quite possibly 'falling in love'. All geared by our DNA to keep creating itself,but men are in an age where we are technically obsolete are AI is now quite a common process.

[DancePoet]

AI could have more then one meaning. ;) :lol:

But I better be careful or someone is likely to slap me on that comment. 8)

[pygmalion]

Men are technically obsolete?!? The heck you say! Okay. Fine. Get rid of 'em all ... just save me a couple. :wink: :lol: :lol:

[DancePoet]

See ... Pygmalion really does know the meaning of life. ;) :lol:

[bordertangoman]

Men are technically obsolete?!? The heck you say! Okay. Fine. Get rid of 'em all ... just save me a couple. :wink: :lol: :lol:

Yeah keep a couple as pets... :roll: :roll:

[pygmalion]

LOL! I'm in a strange mood, this morning, so perhaps I'd better not reply. Everything I can think of saying has some ... uh ... other, unintended meanings. :roll: :lol: :lol:

[DancePoet]

Women saying things other then what they intend? Never. ;) :lol:

(Well ... this is a thread for guys to vent about the gals ... and look at that, DP stays on topic.)

[pygmalion]

:tongue: :mrgreen:

[ReneeJoan]

Actually, you're all wrong. The meaning of life, the universe, and everything, as bob pointed out, is 42. Now that I know this my life is suddenly smoothed out in a clear path in front of me.

Seriously, though, while I can't help agreeing that we seem to have a biological imperitive (prime directive?) to maintain and produce life, I think that only speaks to the body, and man (inclusive of woman) is more than a body. Man has a mind, a soul, and a spirit, too. And I think part of why we are here is to somehow learn to transcend our biological bodies, to become more than just another link in the reproductive chain of life. We're here to be creative, to build, to inquire, to think. To create art and beauty, ethics, law, improve life, and leave our world a little better than was given to us for the next generation. Otherwise, there's no point. There's too much evil, too much suffering. If all there is to life is simply eating and f***ing, and making and endless stream of babies, then I had enough of life by the age of 17 and wanted no more of it. I stayed around for the next 25 years because I could not let go of the belief that there was more. I sometimes forget that, but when I find it again, and hang to it, that's when I'm okay.

Renee

[DancePoet]

:tongue: :mrgreen:
:lol:

[DancePoet]

Seriously, though, while I can't help agreeing that we seem to have a biological imperitive (prime directive?) to maintain and produce life, I think that only speaks to the body, and man (inclusive of woman) is more than a body. Man has a mind, a soul, and a spirit, too. And I think part of why we are here is to somehow learn to transcend our biological bodies, to become more than just another link in the reproductive chain of life. We're here to be creative, to build, to inquire, to think. To create art and beauty, ethics, law, improve life, and leave our world a little better than was given to us for the next generation. Otherwise, there's no point. There's too much evil, too much suffering. If all there is to life is simply eating and f***ing, and making and endless stream of babies, then I had enough of life by the age of 17 and wanted no more of it. I stayed around for the next 25 years because I could not let go of the belief that there was more. I sometimes forget that, but when I find it again, and hang to it, that's when I'm okay.
Sometimes we humans place to high a value on ourselves. It's really about self-preservation, species preservation, and the balancing of the two. Creativity, building, inquiring, thinking, and leaving our world a little better seems to me to be aimed at those three things. Certainly there is much that adds to the picture of life, and thus this makes it fun to stick around for as long as we can. :D

[dsprtn87]

i think all of this got too deep.................. guys generally want sex......................girls generally want to talk after sex THE END :D






i am actually jst joking.........................................foo d is important too

[DancePoet]

i think all of this got too deep ............... guys generally want sex .................... girls generally want to talk after sex THE END :D

i am actually just joking .............................. food is important too
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[pygmalion]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[DancePoet]

Well, the lady friend hasn't even given me a polite refusal regarding the weekend. Course there is still Friday, but I suspect the odds are not good. :roll:

[tacad]

You are more patient than I would be DP. I picked this up in Costa Rica. We would make plans to see a volcano for example. When the day came, I would ask when we were leaving, and they would say "what volcano trip?" The Costa Ricans call it Tico Time. (They call themselves Ticos.) Since then I have less patience and call the game sooner rather than later. This may be good or bad. But it's what I do.

[pygmalion]

She's being unpardonably rude, IMO. :evil:

[DancePoet]

And if she doesn't reply she won't be hearing from me any time soon.

[Patapouf]

I'm sorry to hear that DP! But of course, there's still Friday, perhaps she's trying to sort things out? Well, I hope you'll get an answer tomorrow...

[DancePoet]

I'm sorry to hear that DP! But of course, there's still Friday, perhaps she's trying to sort things out? Well, I hope you'll get an answer tomorrow...
I've been resigned to the enivitable for awhile.

[tacad]

Actually , I'd find a way to have other plans now. Dead serious.

EDIT: Meaning if she now accepts, you're doing something else.

[pygmalion]

Yup. Even if it's watering your plants. She's dead. Why's she playing you? Deep six her, IMO. :evil:

[delamusica]

Agreed.

[MacMoto]

Definitely. You deserve better, DP.

[DancePoet]

She doesn't know what she's missing. :roll:

Some wonderful woman will discover this, and much joy will follow. :D

[Patapouf]

Yes of course, DP! She'd be sorry when you go out with someone! :twisted:

Start making other plans for this weekend! (Like, invite me instead). :roll: :lol:

[DancePoet]

Yes of course, DP! She'd be sorry when you go out with someone! :twisted:

Start making other plans for this weekend! (Like, invite me instead). :roll: :lol:
Are you single? There's a V-Day dance this Saturday if you're in the area? ;) :lol:

[tacad]

Yes of course, DP! She'd be sorry when you go out with someone! :twisted:

Start making other plans for this weekend! (Like, invite me instead). :roll: :lol:
Are you single? There's a V-Day dance this Saturday if you're in the area? ;) :lol:
Maybe Patapouf can bring her moose! :wink:

[Vince A]

Actually , I'd find a way to have other plans now. Dead serious.

EDIT: Meaning if she now accepts, you're doing something else.
Exactly what I'd do . . .

[Patapouf]

Yes of course, DP! She'd be sorry when you go out with someone! :twisted:

Start making other plans for this weekend! (Like, invite me instead). :roll: :lol:
Are you single? There's a V-Day dance this Saturday if you're in the area? ;) :lol:

Yes yes yes, pls come pick me up with a bouquet and chocolate. :wink: (Wait, which new england are you located exactly? The one up northeast or the one in Ohio or Georgia or..... :? ) Oh well....

[Patapouf]

Yes of course, DP! She'd be sorry when you go out with someone! :twisted:

Start making other plans for this weekend! (Like, invite me instead). :roll: :lol:
Are you single? There's a V-Day dance this Saturday if you're in the area? ;) :lol:
Maybe Patapouf can bring her moose! :wink:

The moose is sure coming, that is, if DP doesn't mind! :lol:

[DancePoet]

Yes of course, DP! She'd be sorry when you go out with someone! :twisted:

Start making other plans for this weekend! (Like, invite me instead). :roll: :lol:
Are you single? There's a V-Day dance this Saturday if you're in the area? ;) :lol:

Yes yes yes, pls come pick me up with a bouquet and chocolate. :wink: (Wait, which new england are you located exactly? The one up northeast or the one in Ohio or Georgia or..... :? ) Oh well....
Northeast, are you even close? (Feel free to pm me on that one.)

And yes, if this really happens, I'll bring flowers & chocolates. And I'll even bring a friend for the moose. ;)

And yes, it's official, I'm definitely going to a V-Day dance Saturday night, and I won't be by myself if Patapouf is meeting me there. :D

But I need to save a dance or two for MQ, too!

[DancePoet]

Wait ... maybe this is the thread where I'm suppose to be venting about the last one, the one that let me get away.

Yep, probably should be setting up a date somewhere else. ;)

And I don't mean putting the fruit in the fridge type of date. :lol:

[bordertangoman]

Actually , I'd find a way to have other plans now. Dead serious.

EDIT: Meaning if she now accepts, you're doing something else.

Yeah life is what happens while you're making other plans. :wink:

PS the potential to subvert is interesting :wink: :wink:

[Patapouf]

Northeast, are you even close? (Feel free to pm me on that one.)

And yes, if this really happens, I'll bring flowers & chocolates. And I'll even bring a friend for the moose. ;)

And yes, it's official, I'm definitely going to a V-Day dance Saturday night, and I won't be by myself if Patapouf is meeting me there. :D

But I need to save a dance or two for MQ, too!

Woohoo! A date for me and for my moose too! :wink:

[Patapouf]

Wait ... maybe this is the thread where I'm suppose to be venting about the last one, the one that let me get away.

Yep, probably should be setting up a date somewhere else. ;)

And I don't mean putting the fruit in the fridge type of date. :lol:

Yes, please do this somewhere else here is only for venting about women! :twisted: :roll: :lol:

[tacad]

Actually , I'd find a way to have other plans now. Dead serious.

EDIT: Meaning if she now accepts, you're doing something else.

Yeah life is what happens while your making other plans.
Huh? :?

[tacad]

Northeast, are you even close? (Feel free to pm me on that one.)

And yes, if this really happens, I'll bring flowers & chocolates. And I'll even bring a friend for the moose. ;)

And yes, it's official, I'm definitely going to a V-Day dance Saturday night, and I won't be by myself if Patapouf is meeting me there. :D

But I need to save a dance or two for MQ, too!

Woohoo! A date for me and for my moose too! :wink:
:banana:

[pygmalion]

Several thoughts:

One. Yes, btm. Life is what happens while you're making other plans, so make sure you take the time to enjoy every single day, regardless.

Two. Patapouf and DP are already lined up for honorary flirt awards.

Three: Where is the venting about men thread? :roll: :lol: :lol:

[DancePoet]

Several thoughts:

One. Yes, btm. Life is what happens while you're making other plans, so make sure you take the time to enjoy every single day, regardless.

Two. Patapouf and DP are already lined up for honorary flirt awards.

Three: Where is the venting about men thread? :roll: :lol: :lol:
Would you like me to set one up for you ladies? ;)

But beware! DancePoet is here! ;) :lol:

[bordertangoman]

Three: Where is the venting about men thread? :roll: :lol: :lol:

Just about everywhere as far as I can see. :lol:

[tacad]

:lol:

[ReneeJoan]

Touche, C de B, touche.

Rox

[DancePoet]

Three: Where is the venting about men thread? :roll: :lol: :lol:

Just about everywhere as far as I can see. :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Good point.

And if we set one up they might not post anywhere else. Imagine how long that thread would get? ;) :lol:

[bordertangoman]

And if we set one up they might not post anywhere else. Imagine how long that thread would get? ;) :lol:

'Twould be easier to herd cats than confine the ladies venting to one thread. :wink:

"I am no child, no babe.
Your betters have endured me say my mind,
And if you cannot, best you stop your ears.
My tongue will tell the anger of my heart,
Or else my heart, concealing it, will break,
And rather than it shall I will be free
Even to the uttermost, as I please, in words."

The Taming of the Shrew

[pygmalion]

Would that I had only one thread worth of venting to do. :? :lol: :lol:

And, by the way, I want the record to reflect that I have been an active supporter of men, in this thread and others. So there! :tongue: :lol:

[cocodrilo]

I have really close male friends who I can vent, rant and seethe openly about men with(and they with me about females). I had a good seething session just last night with my best girl buddy where we were on the verge of foaming at the mouth discussing the idiosyncracies of an insensitive slug of a member of the opposite sex and boy did that hit the spot!

[DancePoet]

Nothing to vent today. :D

[bordertangoman]

Nothing to vent today. :D

then time to invent, or have adventures, or ponder on the Venturi effect or wonder at the ceasless work of our ventricles

[tacad]

Wowsers.

[pygmalion]

It's clear you guys have run out of bad things to say about women. Maybe that's 'cause women are, in general, sweet, innocent and pure as the driven snow. :roll: :lol:

[DancePoet]

It's clear you guys have run out of bad things to say about women. Maybe that's 'cause women are, in general, sweet, innocent and pure as the driven snow. :roll: :lol:
Yeah, right. Except the snow up here always seems to get covered with salt and gravel quickly.

[bordertangoman]

No Pygmalion its more a case of following the Eightfold Path; whatever we complain about will come back to eight times greater :wink:

[tacad]

It's clear you guys have run out of bad things to say about women. Maybe that's 'cause women are, in general, sweet, innocent and pure as the driven snow. :roll: :lol:
Sugar and spice and everything nice. :wink:
(Hmmm. Methinks someone is stirring up trouble. :lol: )

No Pygmalion its more a case of following the Eightfold Path; whatever we complain about will come back to eight times greater :wink:
Once I was with a group of men and women, and the women said "Remember that argument we had? And how we won?". I said, "What do you mean, you won?". A very married man said to me, "Just be quiet. Let them think they won. Shh! Shh!"

To quote Bill Cosby: We are dumb, but we are not so dumb.

[pygmalion]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Well ... I was hoping to stir up a little something, I have to admit :roll: :lol: .

[Vince A]

A very married man said to me, "Just be quiet. Let them think they won. Shh! Shh!"

To quote Bill Cosby: We are dumb, but we are not so dumb.
That's truly the secret . . . I've learned to "always let them win." I get SO MUCH done for me!

Yep . . . you can say SO MUCH by keeping your mouth shut!

[tacad]

Well ... I was hoping to stir up a little something, I have to admit .

Ok. Nah, I don't want to do it.

[ReneeJoan]

Ah, Vince and tacad, we have you SO well trained!!

[tacad]

Yes, you are right. :wink:

[bordertangoman]

This accounts for a Garden Sheds; where men escape from the Venusian womantle. Do Americans have sheds?

[pygmalion]

:lol: :lol: :lol: Not in my housing development, they don't. There are hideous inventions called Homeowners' Associations (HOAs) to prevent such things, meaning any sort of imaginative use of your house, land or property. :lol: :lol:

People who don't live in developments can do as they wish. I guess now all the guys will be rushing to move out of the suburbs to the rurals, where there are no HOAs. :lol:

[Vince A]

Ah, Vince and tacad, we have you SO well trained!!
As tacad said . . . "Yes, you are right."

And I say, "Your wish is MY COMMAND!"

[ReneeJoan]

Oh, Vince, you shouldn't have said that. I tend to take things VERY LITERALLY . . . .

[DancePoet]

:lol: :lol: :lol: Not in my housing development, they don't. There are hideous inventions called Homeowners' Associations (HOAs) to prevent such things, meaning any sort of imaginative use of your house, land or property. :lol: :lol:

People who don't live in developments can do as they wish. I guess now all the guys will be rushing to move out of the suburbs to the rurals, where there are no HOAs. :lol:
And these HOAs are often run by ladies. No wonder there are limits on garden sheds. :roll: :wink: :lol:

[DWise1]

This accounts for a Garden Sheds; where men escape from the Venusian womantle. Do Americans have sheds?

As I understand the term, British garden sheds are small workshops almost that a person can enter and walk around in standing fully erect and that he will do part of the work in. They have windows for light and workbenches, as well as shelving, etc for storing tools, chemicals, pots, etc.

In the US and especially at present, the term more commonly refers to a small storage shed, maybe 8 ft x 4 ft, in which the gardening tools and sacks of whatever (fertilizer, potting soils, bug sprays, etc) are stored. They can now be bought as a sheet-metal shell with a single doorway (and two sliding doors) and no window. They stand at about a man's height or a little shorter, so anyone entering it would not be able to stand erect, but rather would need to stoop over. Nobody would want to go in there and work for any sizable length of time. And for whatever reason, it is these storage sheds that HOAs ban (I think they tend to receive no maintenance and end up rusting away and looking terrible which would lower property value, plus vermin tend to like to live in them).

The American equivalent would be the garage or the basement, where the man has set up a workbench and where he keeps his tools and works on small repair projects. Usually, the man needs to install his own workbench and many home-improvement stores here will sell cabinetry for that purpose. In my new place (townhome-style condominium), it appears that the builder had gone ahead and installed cabinets and a workbench in the garage.

[cocodrilo]

We have a shed which I use for storing broken-down appliances(until I get around to getting them recycled!), working seasonal appliances and paint 'n stuff...