View Full Version : Real Salsa Dancers, Players, and Sexy Moves
tacad
07-07-2005, 12:55 AM
I went to another salsa club last Thursday. This time in LA (not the local place from a couple of weeks ago). A beginning class was taught by Alex DaSilva. He taught a few sexy moves. Like moving her hand toward her head than carresing her hair. Or standing in front of her
with her hands on my chest and sliding down to my waist. Or me standing behind her, raising her hands above her head and bringing them down to her shoulders, then reaching around her stomach (still behind her) and spinning her out.
Then I think of a couple of salseros I know (Carl is one of them, tsb) who are really good. They don't seem to do these types of moves but are very good and interesting to watch. They work with the steps and styling but no chest touching by the girls, no hair carressing for the guys. They look more like Sabor in that dancing video.
I guess I'm asking if moves such as I described above are the norm? Is DaSilva possibly just using these sexy moves to get us hooked on salsa? Do these moves lead to africana's statement in another thread that salsero equals player? (I have to admit the experience was fairly stimulating. This time I was prepared, though, and was a perfect gentleman. But brrr!
And with time the effect will be less, of course.) Do 'real dancers' do these moves? You know. The guys who are really there to dance. Do they do these moves?
So any comments?
Then I think of a couple of salseros I know (Carl is one of them, tsb) who are really good.
Karl with a "K".
and he plays chess, too! (grandmaster & ranked in the top 5 in the state)
tacad
07-07-2005, 02:07 AM
:lol:
squirrel
07-07-2005, 02:38 AM
Well I don't mind if anyone does such moves with me. I think they increase the sensuality and playfullness (depending on person) of Salsa dance. Just that I expect RESPECT... no sleaziness...
hopelessly_addicted
07-07-2005, 03:31 AM
I was led to do all the moves you mentioned above. They are not done very commonly but I'm fine with it as long as it's done with an attitude (cool, not unsure, playfully done but no sleaziness please! and yes it does matter who's doing those moves like Squirrel said).
Sabor
07-07-2005, 04:34 AM
it depends Tacad.. its al good and depends on the mood.. thats one of the cool things about this dance that i like.. the variety of emotion and its expression.. there is no standard but u set your own.. and u could do that differently with every lady u dance with if u feel it..
in the clip u refer to.. it was how i dance with this just one girl.. i'm different with others as much as they differ from each other .. and yes.. sometimes it gets mucho hot :lol: (u like that dont u :twisted: ) LOL but as those above replied it depends on chemistry and how u do it.. que no? 8)
dancin/dj
07-07-2005, 06:43 AM
For me i don"t like forced or cookie cutter dancing,learning sexy moves and trying as they used to say(mack daddy jive girls) is not where its at.of course salsa can be very sexy and sometimes i roll with that,i dance different with different types of ladies similar to what sabor said. i"ve taught a salsa class or 2 in princeton and many other places and some folks just don't look good trying to force sexy moves etc..(the line sex sells is still true.Im Latin(Italian) and we feel salsa and may types of music deeply,but people really need to get over too much puff and stuff,two weeks ago i went to a salsa dance that had a cuban band and it was so organic, the music, the sense of this dance, was different than any other salsa night i was ever at,it was great-it was funny/sad, to see salseros doing there same style dancin to cuban music,hence cookie cutter i saw girls putting sexy moves they learned in music that so clearly was not giving you that type of sabor.
borikensalsero
07-07-2005, 08:34 AM
the music states what is to be done... as others have mentioned I tend to dance different from girl to girl, more so, style of music...
The sexy moves look out of place with a hardcore Ray Barretto, bang away, hold me back there is a flight about to take off from a fighter jet plane, kind of song. (La Pelota Like)
However, I use a million and one sexy moves to, let say, salsa romantica from the 80s. Songs such as Viti Ruiz's Caricias Prohibidas...
The use of the hands, even without the move being "sexy" can be extrememly sensual, hence creates a "not sexy" move into a sexy move, even the way you look at the girl while doing a "not so sexy" move creates a mood that makes the move sexy...
In Sabor's clip, the song actually allowed for the very style he was dancing. Had he danced the song differntly he could have looked out of place...
everybody is talking about sabor's clip.......... :?: whereisitiwanttoseeittootellmewhereicanfinditgivem ealink!! :wink:
alemana
07-07-2005, 09:03 AM
the more intimate the move, the more i expect to already have some knowledge of the leader before being led into it. i don't think too highly of leaders who will get all up on me the first time we dance.
MacMoto
07-07-2005, 09:03 AM
everybody is talking about sabor's clip.......... :?: whereisitiwanttoseeittootellmewhereicanfinditgivem ealink!! :wink:
http://www.dance-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=5076 :wink:
everybody is talking about sabor's clip.......... :?: whereisitiwanttoseeittootellmewhereicanfinditgivem ealink!! :wink:
http://www.dance-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=5076 :wink:
:cry: :cry:
Thanks for Visiting!
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Pebbles
07-07-2005, 09:14 AM
Da Silva has his own trademark salsa style, it is a lot of fun to watch. I wouldn't recommend doing his moves while starting out in social dancings though.
tacad
07-07-2005, 09:25 AM
I was so unsure last week that I kept asking the women if they minded if I did these sexy moves that I just learned. :lol: They all said fine. They're probably used to DaSiva's moves in this club as he teaches there regularly. Especially with me being a beginner. But if I go somewhere else I will trust my instincts I guess.
Thanks again everybody!
Sagitta
07-07-2005, 09:34 AM
the more intimate the move, the more i expect to already have some knowledge of the leader before being led into it. i don't think too highly of leaders who will get all up on me the first time we dance.
How about towards the end of the dance? :wink: :)
Sagitta
07-07-2005, 09:38 AM
I was so unsure last week that I kept asking the women if they minded if I did these sexy moves that I just learned. :lol: They all said fine. They're probably used to DaSiva's moves in this club as he teaches there regularly. Especially with me being a beginner. But if I go somewhere else I will trust my instincts I guess.
Thanks again everybody!
Don't be unsure. I am one of the few in my area who do besito, or besito doble, to almost everyone and it works out fine. Even the first time. Veils and that sort of stuff also no problemo as long as it matches the music and my partner. I do the two handed right-right left-left CW followers turn with left hands behind her back and get really close. No problemo.
peachexploration
07-07-2005, 09:40 AM
the music states what is to be done... Exactly. First and foremost....
...The use of the hands, even without the move being "sexy" can be extrememly sensual, hence creates a "not sexy" move into a sexy move, even the way you look at the girl while doing a "not so sexy" move creates a mood that makes the move sexy......Totally agree. It's not so much what you do, it's how you do it. :)
alemana
07-07-2005, 09:52 AM
it's all a question of degree, really.
blossomingsalsadancer
07-07-2005, 12:26 PM
I’ve danced with many guys who use these types of moves although most use them sparingly just to spice things up or to catch me off-guard. I guess my answer is yes, these types of moves are used in social dancing. Most guys who have done these moves with me have executed them well and tastefully. Therefore, I have no problem with these moves. I think so long as it is clear that men aren’t using these moves to “cop a feel” then most followers will have no problem with them.
On the man’s part, executing these types of moves successfully requires them to be comfortable with them and to execute them with confidence. Otherwise, he simply looks awkward. If you are taught a certain move that you aren’t comfortable with or you feel doesn’t suit your dancing style/personality, then it’s probably best not to incorporate that into your repertoire. I don’t think you should worry about whether a certain move is commonly seen on the dance floor (I know many men who are always trying to create a new pattern/move). Even if no one in town does the moves you do, you’ll be okay so long as you are comfortable with it and the moves look “natural” for you. It’s good to learn all sorts of different moves, even if you’ll never use them (maybe you can later modify the move to suit your style). From what I’ve seen, it’s by “collecting, selecting and rejecting” moves that dancers often craft their own dancing style.
If you're still in town, maybe you can show me these new moves ;)
africana
07-07-2005, 01:57 PM
I guess I'm asking if moves such as I described above are the norm? Is DaSilva possibly just using these sexy moves to get us hooked on salsa? Do these moves lead to africana's statement in another thread that salsero equals player? (I have to admit the experience was fairly stimulating. This time I was prepared, though, and was a perfect gentleman. But brrr!
So any comments? Well this is the exact reason I have never jumped at the opportunity to dance with Alex DaSilva, even though I've met him a couple of times.
I have always enjoyed watching him in competitions and such, and I truly agree that he's a pioneer slash salsa-idol in many ways. But...
even the first I took his class I had to stop and walk off in the middle because I was not comfortable with some of the up-close body-touching moves and rolls he was teaching.
I also have had a few leads from LA dance like this with me, sometimes I push them away. In extremes I have stopped the dance and walked off (only twice, usually guys will stop it when I tell them I don't care for a particular move)
There are other ways to by sexy without rubbing all over your partner, especially someone you hardly know, who may or may not be attracted to you. I have much the same reaction to this style of salsa as I do to grinding :evil: :?
the more intimate the move, the more i expect to already have some knowledge of the leader before being led into it. i don't think too highly of leaders who will get all up on me the first time we dance.
How about towards the end of the dance? :wink: :)
i'd love to be there to see you find out in person. i'd bring bactine.
If you're still in town, maybe you can show me these new moves ;)
i have monthly dance parties at my place. tacad usually shows up. PM me if you want more details.
africana
07-07-2005, 02:07 PM
Actually I agree most with the comments that the type and degree of sexiness depends foremost on the type of salsa being played, and then consideration for the partner
I just don't appreciate some random guy gyrating & pressing his thing on me and trying to make me do sexy-posing for several bars during a hot swinging salsa-dura
ACTION :!:
Sabor
07-10-2005, 08:33 AM
being sexy is a way of life.. in a sense, salsa is just a major avenue to let it flow.. talk about it being this and that all u want.. but on the dancefloor.. well .. hmmm .. dont count on that opinion cause some people may have the key to your soul and make u do things u never thought u would/could .. that is, given that u realise it to begin with .. believe it! :mrgreen:
tacad
07-10-2005, 01:49 PM
that is, given that u realise it to begin with .. believe it! :mrgreen:
I don't get what you are saying here. Given that we realize what to begin with? Believe what?
Sabor
07-11-2005, 04:44 AM
realise (w/ latent effect) that u are doing things or did things u never thought u would or could..? ie. thoery is something and practice something else.. u may shock yourself when on the dancefloor, in the moment etcetera etcetera
as for 'believe it'.. its just that lol
africana
07-11-2005, 05:09 PM
lastnight I was very pleased dancing with one of the guys I mentioned earlier as being *too* sexy (so much that i stopped the dance).
It turns out he has toned it down in favor of real dancing :D it was great! It felt great and looked great (other girls were asking about him when we finished ;) )
also had 2 or 3 dances with this other guy that totally "unlocked" that sexy component, in a way that I don't typically respond to every other partner
the important thing is that it was not choreographed or planned, we just had that chemistry
dancin/dj
07-11-2005, 05:21 PM
being sexy is a way of life.. in a sense, salsa is just a major avenue to let it flow.. talk about it being this and that all u want.. but on the dancefloor.. well .. hmmm .. dont count on that opinion cause some people may have the key to your soul and make u do things u never thought u would/could .. that is, given that u realise it to begin with .. believe it! :mrgreen: i agree with some of what u said prior sabor,but totaly disagree with what you just wrote,your saying that everybody should just roll with what you want(hence your seductive sexy passion) africana wrote that she does not like that with certain people, and i dont want a lot of girls girating all over me,we"ve seen here in philly some of the up close overdone sexy stuff-im certaintly not speakin for all philly,but a lot of girls i know dont want guys too close :shock: ,and i dont want a lot of that either,u can dance sexy without looking like a (fill in the blank.
africana
07-11-2005, 05:51 PM
hahaaha! busted :twisted:
go dd :rocker:
Sabor
07-12-2005, 05:09 AM
i agree with some of what u said prior sabor,but totaly disagree with what you just wrote,your saying that everybody should just roll with what you want(hence your seductive sexy passion) africana wrote that she does not like that with certain people, and i dont want a lot of girls girating all over me,we"ve seen here in philly some of the up close overdone sexy stuff-im certaintly not speakin for all philly,but a lot of girls i know dont want guys too close :shock: ,and i dont want a lot of that either,u can dance sexy without looking like a (fill in the blank.
no ddj.. i actually didn't say that.. but apparently thats how u and probably others may have read it.. and thats totally your/their prerogative..
what i'm saying is simply..
1. Its how u do it.. not what
2. What works for me don't mean it works in generality or vice versa
3. If its natural and done in good spirit you will always recieve a favorable response (provided the lady is not a mental case naturally :lol:) .. and thats my experience with salseras of different natinalities and from different areas..
i dont see where anyone may get the idea what i said entails being cheesy or forcing onself unto another.. so, in conclusion, i suspect that 'sexy' may may hold a different feel/mind image to me than to another.. and as i am speaking of it from my point of view.. such misunderstandings are possible.. :D
nikita
07-12-2005, 05:32 AM
Don´t get me wrong-
but isn´t it the follower, who decides about the distance? :wink:
Sabor
07-12-2005, 06:29 AM
Don´t get me wrong-
but isn´t it the follower, who decides about the distance? :wink:
not always.. sometimes they come too close and the lead has to draw the line.. 8)
Sagitta
07-12-2005, 09:13 AM
the more intimate the move, the more i expect to already have some knowledge of the leader before being led into it. i don't think too highly of leaders who will get all up on me the first time we dance.
How about towards the end of the dance? :wink: :)
i'd love to be there to see you find out in person. i'd bring bactine.
bactine? :? Quoi?
africana
07-12-2005, 10:06 AM
3. If its natural and done in good spirit you will always recieve a favorable response (provided the lady is not a mental case naturally :lol:) ..
Well ladies you heard it right here:
you are a mental case IF a superrrr-sexy move makes you uncomfortable
you heard it right here
(boy u need to quit while you're ahead hah!)
Sabor
07-12-2005, 10:14 AM
its ok.. if one is a mental case, they dont realise it .. so no harm no foul :lol: :lol:
me quit?! why?.. i'm just havin a li'l fun :mrgreen:
africana
07-12-2005, 10:35 AM
well as a confirmed mental case might I say you need a good slappin right about now - moderators is that allowed?? :twisted:
(I swear there's a heat wave goin aroundthis here forum)
Sagitta
07-12-2005, 11:54 AM
Sure looks like it with people getting all emotional. Just wish people would chill. :( I know it is summer and hot where i am, but still! :o Read the title of the thread, take a deep breath...
africana
07-12-2005, 12:00 PM
Read the title of the thread, take a deep breath... huh? meant for me?
The point of the thread is whether or not certain moves are typical and/or acceptable to the majority of salsa dancers
are you saying we should all agree the same? interesting...
now I have been partially joking in these last posts, but I should think we can all have differing opinions without being termed "mental cases"
Sagitta
07-12-2005, 12:58 PM
Read the title of the thread, take a deep breath... huh? meant for me?
The point of the thread is whether or not certain moves are typical and/or acceptable to the majority of salsa dancers
are you saying we should all agree the same? interesting...
now I have been partially joking in these last posts, but I should think we can all have differing opinions without being termed "mental cases"
How much can we play without knowing that we have overplayed? How's that?
:wink:
:)
africana
07-12-2005, 01:26 PM
Read the title of the thread, take a deep breath... huh? meant for me?
The point of the thread is whether or not certain moves are typical and/or acceptable to the majority of salsa dancers
are you saying we should all agree the same? interesting...
now I have been partially joking in these last posts, but I should think we can all have differing opinions without being termed "mental cases"
How much can we play without knowing that we have overplayed? How's that?
:wink:
:) too evasive, come out and say what you intend to say, I might find useful ;)
kdogg
07-12-2005, 01:45 PM
The basic etiquette on the dance floor is to make each other feel comfortable; however, not too comfortable to the point that other dancers and spectators feel they're in the wrong room. If either the leader or follower feels uncomfortable, he/she should feel free to stop dancing with him/her. The followers have ways to maintain the distance. For leaders, the best policy is to reserve sexy moves until you've gotten to know her and she feels okay with it.
africana
07-12-2005, 01:56 PM
much better :kissme:
(oh i'm sorry is that too sexxxy cos we've never met :lol: )
Sagitta
07-12-2005, 02:04 PM
Read the title of the thread, take a deep breath... huh? meant for me?
The point of the thread is whether or not certain moves are typical and/or acceptable to the majority of salsa dancers
are you saying we should all agree the same? interesting...
now I have been partially joking in these last posts, but I should think we can all have differing opinions without being termed "mental cases"
How much can we play without knowing that we have overplayed? How's that?
:wink:
:) too evasive, come out and say what you intend to say, I might find useful ;)
Same is boring. Me likes variety. How about u?
What is typical/acceptable? To me what matters is the context.... With the things that I have done on the dancefloor with one or two I would have been chased off the dancefloor by at least half of df, yet I guarantee that most of the ladies I dance with don't consider me a sleazeball. I'm as innocent and pure as the first fall of winter snow. :wink: :) I'll give you an example. S., a 17 year old in Syracuse,NY. (When I first saw her I thought Amish/country girl as she had this long country style skirt etc.. Just to show that the unusual dress was what caught my eye, and not nakedness. Then the connection we enjoyed made me keep on coming back for more.) I enjoy dancing with her the first Friday of every month and it is one of the reasons that I go to that Latin dance. She asked me to do besito. Requested it. She requested it as she was so young so I wouldn't normally do it with her. Anyway, no-one else will do the sexy moves that I do with her.
I can make a move sexy and fun and dirty/disgusting/slimey/repungnant. Are we asking the right question by talking moves? A beginner can butcher leading an inside term to a fast song. That makes it an unacceptable move to repeatedly lead IMO, until you can do it better, while a skilled leader will allow a lady to flow seamless through one as a channel from one move to the next.
Another example. Go to Cuba and see a 60+ grandmother dancing with her 16 year old grandson. You can almost imagine the grandson trying to vaccinate the grandmother. The dance has some of its origins in the courtship ritual. The two are dancing and responding to that call and the roots and respecting them. Clean dancing in public.
Sagitta
07-12-2005, 02:08 PM
however, not too comfortable to the point that other dancers and spectators feel they're in the wrong room. Oh!! WEll, no-one has ever objected so I think I'm alright!! :wink: :)
africana
07-12-2005, 02:26 PM
aha so this was personal
and of course to each his/her own (if not we can spend all day calling each other "mental cases" and "perverts" ;) )
By the way, I'm not sure what a besito is...it sounds like a "cutesy" move to me
also sometimes it's not the actual sexiness of the move that some might object, sometimes it's simply the cheesiness of it, the fact that the guy uses it methodically, or as his guaranteed way of touching sumthin ;)
and sometimes the moves are just plain boring :?
the worst is pretty much when it just doesn't match the musical mood
ok enough of this, carry on playa :P
Sagitta
07-12-2005, 02:29 PM
aha so this was personal
and of course to each his/her own (if not we can spend all day calling each other "mental cases" and "perverts" ;) )
By the way, I'm not sure what a besito is...it sounds like a "cutesy" move to me
also sometimes it's not the actual sexiness of the move that some might object, sometimes it's simply the cheesiness of it, the fact that the guy uses it methodically, or as his guaranteed way of touching sumthin ;)
and sometimes the moves are just plain boring :?
the worst is pretty much when it just doesn't match the musical mood
ok enough of this, carry on playa :P
Not really...I don't take df/life too seriously! :wink: :) Besito means little kiss in Spanish, I wouldn't do beso (kiss in Spanish) as that would be a full-frontal attack. :lol:
TRue about using a certain guaranted move to touch sumthin. I'll have to think sumthing special next time --- modified sambuca...hmmm...
Sagitta
07-12-2005, 02:32 PM
or ponle sabor... ( give to flavor)...
Sabor
07-13-2005, 04:43 AM
well as a confirmed mental case might I say you need a good slappin right about now - moderators is that allowed?? :twisted:
(I swear there's a heat wave goin aroundthis here forum)
'touch me and i'll sue' :lol: :lol:
but .. if manage it.. could i have that 'good slappin' avec chocochocola pls! :bouncy:
nikita
07-13-2005, 05:32 AM
:bkick:
africana
07-19-2005, 02:20 AM
Just came across this article by Edie the Salsa Freak
http://www.dancefreak.com/stories/relationships.htm
boy that's some messed up *** about male and female players, I'm appalled but not extremely shocked
But I really like the last page (page 9)
Just came across this article by Edie the Salsa Freak
http://www.dancefreak.com/stories/relationships.htm
boy that's some messed up *** about male and female players, I'm appalled but not extremely shocked
But I really like the last page (page 9)
Extremely useful article and I am happy that I read it very early in my salsa life. Maybe I will write a "thank you" letter to Edie one day because it sort of preserved me the ability to live in a long-time-relationship.
SalsaAmore
07-19-2005, 02:10 PM
also had 2 or 3 dances with this other guy that totally "unlocked" that sexy component, in a way that I don't typically respond to every other partner
the important thing is that it was not choreographed or planned, we just had that chemistry
This is where the sexy moves come in when you feel or know there is that chemistry between the two of you. It is not thought out nor is it planned in your head what your next move is. While dancing, you're in the moment and you do what feels right at that particular moment. That's the mark of a good dancer - beginner or advanced. You are not intimidated nor or you wondering, can I make that move on her. You're not thinking, you are just dancing and going with the motion and the flow of the dance. You are both in sync and it feels right.
Sabor
07-20-2005, 06:40 AM
This is where the sexy moves come in when you feel or know there is that chemistry between the two of you. It is not thought out nor is it planned in your head what your next move is. While dancing, you're in the moment and you do what feels right at that particular moment. That's the mark of a good dancer - beginner or advanced. You are not intimidated nor or you wondering, can I make that move on her. You're not thinking, you are just dancing and going with the motion and the flow of the dance. You are both in sync and it feels right.
exactly.. well put!
Sagitta
07-20-2005, 07:11 AM
This is where the sexy moves come in when you feel or know there is that chemistry between the two of you. It is not thought out nor is it planned in your head what your next move is. While dancing, you're in the moment and you do what feels right at that particular moment. That's the mark of a good dancer - beginner or advanced. You are not intimidated nor or you wondering, can I make that move on her. You're not thinking, you are just dancing and going with the motion and the flow of the dance. You are both in sync and it feels right.
exactly.. well put!
Ditto. 8)
yess! chemistry has to be there first!! otherwise: yikes!
this weekend a guy (i didn't know him) asked me to dance with him and he started right away: stroking my hair, going down holding my hips etc! ugh! he hadn't even looked into my eyes! :shock: :evil: i was like: get your sweaty fingers out of my hair!! eeuw!.
i like flirting while dancing, but not with any partner! and you have to build it up! this guy clearly had no clue!
Sabor
07-20-2005, 07:22 AM
how about building it up b4 going on the dance floor? .. that way the dance is not wasted :lol:
guys guys, always rushing, straight to your 'goal'. when will you learn? a girl has to be warmed up a little...
the fun of traveling is not so much in reaching your destination, but enjoying the road you take, including sidetracks etc...
btw sabor: how would you do that while i'm on the floor constantly? trying to attract my attention while i'm dancing with another guy? steal me away for a moment?
Sabor
07-20-2005, 08:30 AM
btw sabor: how would you do that while i'm on the floor constantly? trying to attract my attention while i'm dancing with another guy? steal me away for a moment?
well, in reality actually, i wouldn't be doing that.. :lol: ..
hmm? what would you do?
i generally keep my flirting to the dancefloor, but hey, whatever is in the interest of making the dance more fun... i'm open to suggestions :lol: :lol:
Sabor
07-20-2005, 08:44 AM
i wouldn't do anything.. if u want to do something.. go ahead, u have my permission :lol:
oh wow sabor, u r so generous! :notworth: thank u thank u
kdogg
07-20-2005, 09:32 AM
guys guys, always rushing, straight to your 'goal'. when will you learn? a girl has to be warmed up a little...
the fun of traveling is not so much in reaching your destination, but enjoying the road you take, including sidetracks etc...
"Wise men say only fools rush in, but I can't help..." Sorry, I've this Elvis' song stuck in my head.
That might be seen as a weakness of not just men, but women as well. Don't be too hasty, but don't be overly cautious either. In the former you've too little information and hence you're vulnerable, in the latter you're not satisfied with no matter how much information you may have and you become less graceful. The right path lies in between the two.
I agree that traveling is not so much about reaching the destination, but if the weather gets bad, I would rather get to the destination sooner. Sorry, I'm just being a jerk. I concur with your analogy, yola.
kdogg
07-20-2005, 10:06 AM
Just came across this article by Edie the Salsa Freak
http://www.dancefreak.com/stories/relationships.htm
boy that's some messed up *** about male and female players, I'm appalled but not extremely shocked
But I really like the last page (page 9)
Relationship needs constant care and nurture to sustain, whether between dancers or non-dancers. It's a hard but not impossible job for those who're open and willing to take on the task. There are so much insecurity which poisons trust; one's trust for oneself and to one's loved ones. We believe that we fall in love and then get married, but I think real love starts a few years after marriage, if you haven't given up already.
but if the weather gets bad, I would rather get to the destination sooner.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
what about an umbrella?
wise men (and women) travel prepared. :wink:
but I think real love starts a few years after marriage, if you haven't given up already.
Yesss!!!!!!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Sagitta
07-20-2005, 12:26 PM
but I think real love starts a few years after marriage, if you haven't given up already.
Yesss!!!!!!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
So what do u have before that, those first few years?
kdogg
07-20-2005, 02:09 PM
but if the weather gets bad, I would rather get to the destination sooner.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
what about an umbrella?
wise men (and women) travel prepared. :wink:
We can prepare to some degree, but we may never go into a relationship fully prepared. Even if we're given hundreds of years to live, we still will have a lot more to learn. What relationship has to offer is the opportunity to learn and explore together the mystery of life. We discover and understand each other better as we face each day joyfully regardless of what it brings; there's always reason to be joyful for. The best tool we can equip ourselves to take this journey of love is our willingness and eagerness to grow in love. Thirsty hearts will always seek the fountain of love.
So what do u have before that, those first few years?
Sex, hopefully.
Freya
07-20-2005, 03:21 PM
So what do u have before that, those first few years?
Sex, hopefully.
... and all kinds of confrontations, small crisis which are constantly testing your (hopefully) growing love.
You've just fallen "in love", which is not the same. Love changes after the first years of being together, and gets the sape of a strong partnership, "for good and bad", as it's heard very often.
PS: I also want to see the famous video. Who has a copy I can post in my site (with the authors permission) for the use of all?
Kandy
07-24-2005, 02:27 PM
It all depends on the guy. If he's sexy..sure, why not!
Sabor
07-26-2005, 07:01 AM
:mrgreen:
tacad
07-26-2005, 10:14 AM
Ok, I keep looking at that avatar trying to think of something to say. :lol:
Since I can't think of anything I'll simply say:
Welcome to DF, Kandy!
Sabor
07-26-2005, 11:00 AM
tacad .. just go like this-----------> :mrgreen:
lol
tacad
07-26-2005, 11:06 AM
:lol:
I was thinking about this for a while:
:kissme:
africana
07-26-2005, 11:07 AM
time to put this doggy to sleep playas lol
tacad
07-26-2005, 11:10 AM
I've never been called a playa before. This is quite an honor! :mrgreen:
Sabor
07-26-2005, 11:51 AM
when i grow up.. i wana be just like tacad!
tacad
07-26-2005, 12:21 PM
:lol: :oops: :lol:
You need to remember you dancing to have fun ...if you want to get more technical thats up to and and or your partner. A person can get Sexy in any style of dancing.
If your looking to perform or Compete.that's a whole new ball game.
Kandy
07-26-2005, 02:53 PM
Just make sure that when you're trying to rub up against us ladies, that you're not all dripping with sweat! ...ewwww ...
Just make sure that when you're trying to rub up against us ladies, that you're not all dripping with sweat! ...ewwww ...
Welcome to DF Kandy!!!
and ... for more on that, see this ongoing thread:
http://www.dance-forums.com/viewtopic.php?topic=10432
tacad
07-26-2005, 03:30 PM
Just make sure that when you're trying to rub up against us ladies, that you're not all dripping with sweat! ...ewwww ...
:mrgreen:
Just came across this article by Edie the Salsa Freak
http://www.dancefreak.com/stories/relationships.htm
boy that's some messed up *** about male and female players, I'm appalled but not extremely shocked
But I really like the last page (page 9)
Yeah, especially what she said on the tenth page:
If you find yourself falling for a man or woman heavily involved in the dance community, think hard before you take the next step.
That's coming from a girl who married her dance partner!
I actually don't see much of what she talks about in the Salsa scene. The girls seem to be really just into the dancing and the guys have to be really good before women chase them for their dance ability. That's maybe ten guys out of about a million salseros. That must be because there is so much parity in the number of men and women who dance salsa.
On the other hand, I've seen those players in other dances, especially country/western. Guys who don't have the looks, the bucks, nor the rap to get a second look from a girl take a few dance classes and by the time they can keep a beat they're too busy getting laid to be bothered with learning any new dance skills. They keep coming back to the same club and there are always new girls to take home. They don't even have to bother getting dressed. They show up in an old faded t-shirt and threadbare jeans, yet the women line up for them. Salsa is nothing like that.
Kandy, welcome to DF. I'll have to take another photo to use as my avatar so that I can pucker my lips for you too. :kissme:
Sagitta
07-26-2005, 04:24 PM
I see that I have been missing out by not doing Country-Western...hmmm... :lol:
Kandy
07-26-2005, 04:44 PM
Thank you everyone for the warm welcome. I just started getting back into the salsa scene. I thoroughly enjoy it. I will dance with anyone who asks. I'll go for 2nds and 3rd if they are really good! I was only kidding about the sweat stuff....it's hard not to get sweaty on the dance floor. I normally just go to the bathroom and wipe up...drink lots of ice water, and rest in between to lower body temp. However, if it's BO ...now, that's something that I can't stand..no matter how hard I try. I have to breathe when I dance you know? :wink:
btw: I would love to go to Miami--heard that's the best place to salsa.
Kandy, welcome to DF. I'll have to take another photo to use as my avatar so that I can pucker my lips for you too. :kissme:
I thought she was just doing an exaggerated Zoolander blue steel.
Kandy
07-26-2005, 04:58 PM
hahah ..zoolander...Soooooo Beautiful!
Just make sure that when you're trying to rub up against us ladies, that you're not all dripping with sweat! ...ewwww ...
Moisture is the essence of wetness, and wetness is the essence of beauty.
Kandy
07-26-2005, 05:16 PM
Hmm...are we still talking about salsa? ..or... :oops:
Hmm...are we still talking about salsa? ..or... :oops:
I wasn't really saying anything. I never heard of Zoolander before, so I had to Google it. While I was there, I saw a quote that seemed to funny juxtaposed with your comment.
By the way, I just noticed that you're from Seattle, WA. Isn't it cold enough up there that you can just step outside to cool off when you get hot dancing?
Kandy
07-26-2005, 06:10 PM
Yes, I see a lot of people go outside to cool off. But there are fans nearby too. I just don't like to stand near the fan when I'm sweaty...cold sweats are not fun. I have been thinking of going to Miami, but with all the hurricanes and what not, I chose Vegas for Labor Day.
Yes, I see a lot of people go outside to cool off. But there are fans nearby too. I just don't like to stand near the fan when I'm sweaty...cold sweats are not fun. I have been thinking of going to Miami, but with all the hurricanes and what not, I chose Vegas for Labor Day.
If you're going to come to Miami, you might as well do it during a dance convention. The Miami Mambo Project is in June, before the hurricane season really starts. There is a mostly Casino style convention in November, after the season. There is also International Hustle and Salsa Championship in April, way before the season. Although it's mostly a Hustle convention, it's still pretty good for Salsa. The Miami Salsa Congress is probably the biggest local Salsa convention, but it's in the heart of hurricane season.
salsaruedacongress.com
hustleandsalsa.com
themamboproject.com
miamisalsacongress.com
Kandy
07-27-2005, 12:49 AM
I've never been to a dance convention before. I've seen it on TV but never live. It looks very serious. If I go, it would be for the music, dance, food, and of course the beach. I heard there's a lot of good looking people in Miami, is this true? :D
itorres
07-27-2005, 02:13 AM
I've never been to a dance convention before. I've seen it on TV but never live. It looks very serious. If I go, it would be for the music, dance, food, and of course the beach. I heard there's a lot of good looking people in Miami, is this true? :D
Hello, Kandy!
There's great Salsa dancing and beaches in Puerto Rico! You are just missing the Puerto Rico Salsa Congress this week of July 24 - 30. You could have come here! The hotel and parties are packed. http://www.puertoricosalsacongress.com/2005/en/program.htm
And there are good looking people here, too! :wink:
The Congress is not serious. There are serious dancers, but having fun. In general every day there are 4-5 hrs of seminars, couple of hours shows/exhibitions, Dance Competitions, social dancing with two live bands 9pm to 3am...
Since this is PR, the bands are El Gran Combo, Willie Rosario, Bobby Valentin, Roberto Rohena, Andy Montanez, Sonora Poncena, Jose Alberto El Canario... hard to top this unless you had Fania All Stars, Ruben Blades and Marc Anthony.
Sabor
07-27-2005, 06:53 AM
Hmm...are we still talking about salsa? ..or... :oops:
or what..?
just curious..
Kandy
07-28-2005, 07:49 PM
Wow, never thought about PR but that sounds fun too. I have the hardest time finding a travel companion. When you have your days off, they don't. As for the " ...or ..." part ..umm, use your imagination. :D
Lucretia
07-30-2005, 02:24 PM
Just make sure that when you're trying to rub up against us ladies, that you're not all dripping with sweat! ...ewwww ...
Or beeing dressed in velvet....
I was stuck last weekend when I guy dressed in a corduroy jacket tried to make a quick and sexy move around my back. I had a velvet jacket on. We where connected in an new and interesting way - almost glued to each other :shock: :D :lol: :lol: :D
/luc
tacad
08-08-2005, 05:47 AM
Wow, never thought about PR but that sounds fun too. I have the hardest time finding a travel companion. When you have your days off, they don't. As for the " ...or ..." part ..umm, use your imagination. :D
Aww. Hey Sabor, you scared her off. :wink:
Oh Kandy! Are you and your puckered lips still out there? :raisebro:
Sabor
08-08-2005, 09:36 AM
Wow, never thought about PR but that sounds fun too. I have the hardest time finding a travel companion. When you have your days off, they don't. As for the " ...or ..." part ..umm, use your imagination. :D
Aww. Hey Sabor, you scared her off. :wink:
i did :shock: .. must have been my ugly big fat lips :cry:
err.. i meant juicy ugly big fat lipsies :lol:
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