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Royal family
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The Electric Slide: Who Owns It?
There seems to be an ongoing dispute about the Electric Slide and who owns it. There is a Mr. Ric Silver who claims to own the dance, yet there seems to be a dispute to this claim:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Slide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Electric_Slide
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Feudal Lord
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Without getting into all the legal muddles of copyright and trademark and blah blah blah...these kinds of disputes about intellectual property make me almost nostalgic for the days of the Cold War.
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Crowned Royal
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My first and last attempt at that was at a party with some exchange students, in practical terms marking the end of the cold war.
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Feudal Lord
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Stratton
My first and last attempt at that was at a party with some exchange students, in practical terms marking the end of the cold war.
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LOL. and the beginning of a whole new series of squabbles about who gets to own what.
Art needs to be, as much as possible, a free space. What professional dancers have to sell are their performances, and their expertise as teachers. The attempt to control or copyright steps and patterns betrays the desperation of those who can't really market themselves.
In my distinctly unhumble opinion about this subject.
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Wherefore are these things hid? Why dost thou not go to church in a galliard and come home in a coranto? My very walk would be a jig. I would not so much as make water but in sink-a-pace.
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Demigod
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Genesius Redux
Art needs to be, as much as possible, a free space. What professional dancers have to sell are their performances, and their expertise as teachers. The attempt to control or copyright steps and patterns betrays the desperation of those who can't really market themselves.
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And I agree with you.
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When you take dancing lessons, you learn steps and you learn steps and you learn steps. It can go on for a long time. And then one day, you just learn to dance, and it is so different. --Bill Austin
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Demigod
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I'll third that.
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Aristocrat
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Yikes!
There's an awful lot of verbage on the talk page for such a simple dance.
I think it's great that people are engaging in a discussion about this. And a fair number of them have first hand knowledge.
The "wiki" model is interesting. Anyone can "post" anything they want, but other people are free to rip things to shreds. I have found that if you have good refereneces for things that you post, they are usually respected.
More often than not in real life, determining the "absolute" truth is impossible.
One of the inter agency projects I work on was recently introduced to the wiki model of doing things. I'm looking forward to seeing how the implimentation of that goes, considering the personalities of the people involved.
Thank goodness someone stepped into the Wikipedia discussion to "moderate".
Me, if they put on "Electric Slide", I'm gonna go sit down.
"Boogie woogie, woogie" indeed.
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I just did a side by side comparison of the "copyrighted" version and what people do everywhere I've ever seen the dance done.
The copyrighted version is not the one that people do. It is listed in the Kickit database as "The Electric (aka Electric Slide)", and is a contra dance.
I think Ric is going to lose this one. ie In my opinion he does not "own" The Electric Slide. But then I'm not a lawyer.
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Citizen
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Stonington, CT
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Can't wait for my day in court!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Pastor
I just did a side by side comparison of the "copyrighted" version and what people do everywhere I've ever seen the dance done.
The copyrighted version is not the one that people do. It is listed in the Kickit database as "The Electric (aka Electric Slide)", and is a contra dance.
I think Ric is going to lose this one. ie In my opinion he does not "own" The Electric Slide. But then I'm not a lawyer.
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It is because of Peter at Kick It and people like Christy Lane and Diane Horner who put out line dance videos and used my choreography incorrectly and without my permission that the dance was learned incorrectly in the first place. I wrote to Peter back in 1998 when he 1st put up his site and politely asked him to correct his site and he refused and has been bad mouthing me ever since. I will have my day in court soon and we'll see who is laughing then, since I have full documentation and witnesses that were there with me at the time. My site has been up since 12/94 and is updated regularly with what is going on. http://the-electricslide.com/id6.html and the Official Website for The Electric at http://the-electricslidedance.com/id3.html
Check out the facts for yourselves. Ric Silver |
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03-21-2007
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Royal family
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCsDancer
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Your statement appears to be only partially true
http://whois.domaintools.com/the-electricslide.com
Creation Date........ 2006-02-04
Is there more you need to tell us? |
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