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[opendoor]

Here in Germany New York style almost seems to be synonymous with Eddie Torres. But, is New York - Paladium style (Mambo classico) still alive?



Thanks in advance

[tangotime]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Here in Germany New York style almost seems to be synonymous with Eddie Torres. But, is New York - Paladium style (Mambo classico) still alive?



Thanks in advance

It depends upon where you are... I teach it if asked ( seldom happens ) and, I have Assoc. who only teach that style..

[SDsalsaguy]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Here in Germany New York style almost seems to be synonymous with Eddie Torres. But, is New York - Paladium style (Mambo classico) still alive?

Thanks in advance

Yes, although in the vast minority it still exists; most commonly under the label "power 2".

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by tangotime

..teach it if asked (seldom happens) ..

And what do you teach? Only the different accent (pause on 1) or a different styling, too? And does it look like on these old videos [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ? The speaker quotes from 1:16 on that Palladium wasn´t standardized. What is shown then resembles more stage choreos rather than a fashionable social dancing style.

thanks for answering

[tangotime]

Originally Posted by opendoor

And what do you teach? Only the different accent (pause on 1) or a different styling, too? And does it look like on these old videos [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] ? The speaker quotes from 1:16 on that Palladium wasn´t standardized. What is shown then resembles more stage choreos rather than a fashionable social dancing style.

thanks for answering

pretty much most of the old vids, are what we used to dance socially ( the Pal. clip is a little exagerated, and is not completely representative.. LA was not quite as wild ).. but.. what we taught ,was a less frenetic variety.

As to the commentary, I would dis agree with the comment that NO one cared about what beat we danced on.. emphatically not true... if ya didnt dance on "2", then you were not considered " with it ".. and of course, there many that didnt dance on "2" and were good dancers, but, like today, it just seemed different on "1".
I have, however, succumbed to teaching on "1" primarily for expediency, but do introduce "2" to the non beginners class..

What one seldom sees now, are the numerous variations in partership( moves ), that were common place ,that never transitioned to todays market place .. ..

As to what I teach.. more of the older type figures, that were in the syl. of the many studios and danced in public, and, I use music from that era ( I also occasionally use that when I DJ, and in my classes , I show the older material from time to time )...

PS.. for anyone living in the Atl area.. Bob Mitchell ( same era as me ) still teaches there 2 days a week if you are interested in the older style, and in Fla nr Leesburg, Ray Gardner, also in the same style ...

[opendoor]

For everyone who hasnt read it yet: I found this helpful article:

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[opendoor]

Found this historical TV documentation about the history of cuban dances on YT. A professional (or maybe official cuban would fit better ) couple shows the basis step patters of ChaChaChá . But ! they dance it on1 (f.i. 1:30 and 3:14) - Why?
Is the original cuban version different from the NewYork offshoot of Mambo? Any explanations would help.
thx in advance

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[tangotime]

Originally Posted by opendoor

) couple shows the basis step patters of ChaChaChá . But ! they dance it on1 (f.i. 1:30 and 3:14) - Why?



Is the original cuban version different from the NewYork offshoot of Mambo? Any explanations would help.
thx in advance

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Because Guajira was founded before Cha Cha ( the original format ) ,and its syncopation is different to that of standard Cha...(its sometimes combined within a double bar with" standard" Cha rhythm )..

In the dance part.. they are breaking on FOUR and the syncop is 2 and 3( odd, because when Mambo was first introduced in the A.M. studios ( 1950) , it was taught on 4.. changed very shortly afterwards to 2 )

[tangotime]

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Is the original cuban version different from the NewYork offshoot of Mambo?




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if you were able to see the step list that I have from the 80s, it lists all of the variations they danced, and what was taught from way back , and still is today( Kick and back Cross with spin.. Crossover breaks,, free form ... Back spot turn ).. The NY style that most identify with, is that of the Pall. and its core elements are the same..

[opendoor]

really thanks for this competent and quick answer !
OD

Originally Posted by tangotime

.. changed very shortly afterwards to 2 ..

and, why this? was the puertorican influence?