Ballroom Dance > 3 feathers uses

Discussion in 'Ballroom Dance' started by ballroomdancertoo, Oct 8, 2017.

  1. ballroomdancertoo

    ballroomdancertoo Well-Known Member

    i just learned about a step called 3 feathers. does anyone know why you would use this step or is just another step in the technique book.
     
  2. tangotime

    tangotime Well-Known Member


    Originally called the " Prince of Wales ".

    Why would one use this ?.. because it is challenging and has taken a basic foundation step to another level .One of my faves .
     
  3. ballroomdancertoo

    ballroomdancertoo Well-Known Member

    interesting. wonder why its called that name. im just wondering about its maneuverability capacity, whether it was meant to move a certain way to complement or change direction.
     
  4. Dr Dance

    Dr Dance Well-Known Member

    Three feathers:



    Looks to me like a move that is useful when approaching a corner to start again down a new line.
     
  5. tangotime

    tangotime Well-Known Member

    back when, it was often commenced LOD curving to DW against LOD then backing DC overturned to DC, with an open Rev turn . It has other options .
     
  6. j_alexandra

    j_alexandra Well-Known Member

    Because it feels divine to do? The most fun you can have in public, fully dressed, with a partner?

    Not that I'm prejudiced or nothin'. ;-)
     
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  7. ballroomdancertoo

    ballroomdancertoo Well-Known Member

    4 feathers? I think my instructor said the wrong step name. it was more like the 4 feathers rather than 3 feathers! thanks Dr. Dance, really enlightening.
     
  8. Dr Dance

    Dr Dance Well-Known Member

    Okay, here are the four feathers:

     
  9. ballroomdancertoo

    ballroomdancertoo Well-Known Member

    yep, exactly that's way I was taught, ill have to correct my instructor on this step!
     
  10. snapdancer

    snapdancer Well-Known Member

    I believe that these are amalgamations of other figures.

    "Three Figures" is Feather, 3-Step, Curved Feather to Back Feather

    "Four Feathers" is Feather, Fallaway and Weave (with Feather Finish).

    I've identified the 3 feathers in the "Three Feathers". But only 2 feathers in the other one. Mystified as to why it's called that.
     
  11. Dr Dance

    Dr Dance Well-Known Member

    I had that same reaction when I first saw the video, "That's just a fall away to feather finish." It sure did LOOK like a fall away. But when I watched her more closely, I discovered that she is NOT in fall away position. He instead turns her like an open box. His "drifting" was a wonderful lead to prevent her from dancing a heel turn. If this was a fall away, she would have hooked behind on the 4th step after the initial feather. His body turn masterfully allowed her to turn as well without falling away. And thus the four feathers in the video are defined:

    Feather.
    Left side feather.
    Back feather.
    Feather finish.

    If I had instead wanted to lead a fall away, I would have turned myself on step four without affecting her trajectory. I think that "four feathers" is a better name than "faux fall away." I'm sure that many of the fancier steps' names have an interesting history.
     
  12. snapdancer

    snapdancer Well-Known Member

    I listened to the entire video and that's the description given by the narrator.

    However, this doesn't agree with my understanding of what a feather is. I thought a feather was called that because the man's path curves as he transitions between closed position and outside partner, while the lady's path is straight. With that definition, a feather finish is not a feather, it's just the finish.

    Given that definition, I only see 2 feathers since the man didn't really curve when he led what looked sort of like a fallaway. He did curve during the normal feather step and also during what looks like a weave but he calls a back feather. I would not consider the last one a feather, just a feather finish since the man's path didn't curve. What I consider to be not-feathers I consider to be changes of direction because the lady's path changes.
     
  13. tangotime

    tangotime Well-Known Member

    The directions I listed are the original ones. As per norm.variations have emerged .
     
  14. Larinda McRaven

    Larinda McRaven Site Moderator Staff Member

    The name feather can apply to all sorts of patterns, curving, straight, fwd, back, whatever. What it means is they all end with the man's foot in OP. Hover feather, feather, feather ending, feather finish, back feather, curved feather...
     
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  15. Mr 4 styles

    Mr 4 styles Well-Known Member

    I’m getting hungry for turkey........
     
  16. tangotime

    tangotime Well-Known Member

    It's only 6 weeks away and Xmas ( wow ! ) is only 10.. !!!
     
  17. Dr Dance

    Dr Dance Well-Known Member

    Yes. But by that definition, couldn't a hair pin also be included into the "feather family?"

    My group instructor Ron Bennett taught a different move that he also calls "four feathers" because it encompasses all four feather positions: left OP forward and backward, and right OP forward and backward. To set this up, dance any (fox trot) combination that concludes with an open impetus followed by a waltz wing (S Q Q) to face DC. She is now left outside partner to start Ron's "Four Feathers." Start S Q Q toward DC with her left outside partner. Between steps 3 and 4, turn left "open box style" to dance two quicks against LoD with her right side outside partner. Now dance a slow to change tracks with her to put her back into left outside partner against LoD: S. Continue against LoD for two quicks left OP to set up the two quicks of a feather finish. Turn her DW for the last two quicks of the figure.

    S Q Q Q Q S Q Q Q Q. (Sorry, I wish I had a video to show for this.)
     
  18. tangotime

    tangotime Well-Known Member

    So, you are in DC ?
     
  19. Larinda McRaven

    Larinda McRaven Site Moderator Staff Member

    Yes it could. But it doesn't HAVE to be. Anything called a feather will end OP. Not everything ending OP will be a feather. Like bourbon and whiskey.
     
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  20. Dr Dance

    Dr Dance Well-Known Member

    So feathers are merely a subset of all moves where I end up stepping OP. Well shoot... that takes all of the fun out of conjuring up a long litany of moves that end with the man stepping OP that aren't feather related. As for the hair pin specifically, I've heard instructors refer to this as a "hair pin turn" or even a "hair pin feather." Even if hair pin is not technically a type of feather, I do consider it to be of the "feather family" because of the common traits that different feathers share. My favorite hair pin variation starts in promenade position like a feather ending. Her second step is much like a feather ending even though I will curve our unit to the right. And the third step strongly resembles that of a curving three. Just don't get me started with the syncopated hair pin. Can you say, "Wall of text?" :)

    (Yes Tangotime, I'm from the Baltimore/ Washington area.)
     

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