Ballroom Dance > Amateur teachers

Discussion in 'Ballroom Dance' started by billman, Jun 27, 2014.

  1. billman

    billman Active Member

    Just curious how an amateur dancer can teach at a studio and still be able to dance as an amateur? Do they recieve products or lessons as conpensation?
  2. JudeMorrigan

    JudeMorrigan Well-Known Member

    Individuals who only compete in am-am competitions are 100% allowed to be paid dance instructors. It's only pro-am students who are not allowed to teach.
  3. Dancing Irishman

    Dancing Irishman Well-Known Member

    What he said. Both NDCA and USADance agree on this (no idea on international organizations / other US dance organizations).
  4. llamasarefuzzy

    llamasarefuzzy Well-Known Member

    Yup, I teach for money, although not for a studio, and have never had a problem. Neither have any of my friends. My old latin partner actually worked for a studio and we never had any problems with that either
  5. DanceMentor

    DanceMentor Administrator

    It's especially common in large cities, and you'll often rates as low as $30 on up to $200+ teaching on the same floor. Here in LA it would be rare NOT to see amateur teachers at a studio.
  6. debmc

    debmc Well-Known Member

    But it's my understanding that an amateur teacher cannot be the 'am' or the 'pro' in a pro am couple......
  7. Bailamosdance

    Bailamosdance Well-Known Member

    You are correct debmc.
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  8. jump'n'jive

    jump'n'jive Well-Known Member

    To bad people don't follow that. Around here lots of am's dancing pro am teach and a few studios have hired them. :-/
  9. nikkitta

    nikkitta Well-Known Member

    report them!
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  10. Angel HI

    Angel HI Well-Known Member

    Is there not some rule somewhere about an am who teaches less than 500 hours, or some such stipulation, being able to legally dance as the am in pro/am? I am almost certain that there is. :bookworm:
  11. Larinda McRaven

    Larinda McRaven Site Moderator Staff Member

    Not even close, and never has been. The rule book clearly states that anyone who teaches is disallowed from dancing as the student dancer in a pro-am partnership.
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  12. Angel HI

    Angel HI Well-Known Member

    Hmm.... Thanks. I am almost certain that I had known that from somewhere in the past.
  13. snapdancer

    snapdancer Well-Known Member

    From the NDCA rulebook:

    10 a. The term "Pro/Am" refers to a professional dancer/teacher dancing with their student. In this case
    11 the student will be known as a "Pro/Am Student Dancer". A Pro/Am Student Dancer competes
    12 with a professional partner.
    13 b. A Pro/Am Student Dancer competes in Ballroom dance purely as an avocation.
    14 c. A Pro/Am Student Dancer does not teach Ballroom dance under any circumstances.

    Not teaching under any circumstances could be interpreted to include acting as an unpaid assistant in a newbie group class, or helping a friend with their wedding dance no-charge.
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  14. dbk

    dbk Well-Known Member

    Are the am/am rules slightly different? I've never researched it (no reason to) but I've gotten the impression that you can still do am/am if you teach, as long as you don't compete pro/am as the pro?
  15. Hedwaite

    Hedwaite Well-Known Member

    Am/ams can teach. The ams of pro-ams can't.
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  16. Bailamosdance

    Bailamosdance Well-Known Member

    If you,compete as a pro, you are a pro.
  17. flightco

    flightco Well-Known Member

    Sounds like I have screwed myself; I have been acting as a teachers assistant for a few months now and on occasion have taught a beginner ECS class when the regular teacher was not available. This was all done without any compensation other than the reward you get when you accomplish something new and do a good job. (If you are wondering why I was doing this it just seemed like another way to up my dancing)

    From what I have read above, it sounds like I have eliminated myself from being the AM of a PRO/AM. Don't know why but I had "assumed" that if you weren't getting some type of compensation you weren't considered a pro, just an amateur helping out. The reason I say I screwed myself is it looks like now I can't dance amateur, and I sure as heck can't dance as the Pro.

    Looks like AM/AM is still an option, right? The thought of me being a Pro makes me laugh (well and cry at the same time).
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  18. Dancing Irishman

    Dancing Irishman Well-Known Member

    Yep, am/am is still an option through both the NDCA and USADance. I think they don't allow teaching for no pay because cash payments are darn near impossible to trace and that would allow teachers who exclusively are paid in cash to claim they are teaching for no pay and abuse the system that way.
  19. DanceMentor

    DanceMentor Administrator

    Often they will first want you to cease your activities. They still want you to spend money at the competitions, and banning you wouldn't be good for the revenue stream. That said, they can do it!
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  20. flightco

    flightco Well-Known Member

    Well, this puts me in a precarious position. I have just mailed a letter to them telling them I will not renew my membership until they get over their fight with USA Dance and stop threatening their judges with fines for trying to make a living. Now I am supposed to contact them and say I am sorry I helped our studio out when their ECS instructor was ill and could not make the class and I taught it (with no compensation).

    Honestly, I am wondering if Ballroom is worth it. It should be fun, healthy and something that brings dancers together. Rather it is political, political and political. I have only been dancing a couple years so I have no idea if this is new or it has always been this way but I, for one, am very offended by NDCA and have lost all desire to be connected with them in any way. Dancing should be fun and they are making it something entirely different. I was looking forward to future competitions but it looks like my dance future will move more toward social dancing, WCS, country, etc. I love to dance but I am a grownup and will not put up with NDCA's political BS

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