Swing Discussion Boards > Are the "swing wars" over?

Discussion in 'Swing Discussion Boards' started by Spitfire, Apr 8, 2011.

  1. Spitfire

    Spitfire Well-Known Member

    When the Lindy revival began back in the 90's there was a lot of bashing by Lindy dancers of WCS and other dances and vise versa. What I've noticed in recent years is more acceptance and crossover and less bashing. Is it just my area or has this generally died down?
     
  2. tsb

    tsb Well-Known Member

    hey tom - a lot of the 20 something's knocking WCS in the 90's are now pushing 40 and they've moved into WCS. while overall i think it's a good thing, the things i find lamentable include a tendency to sacrifice lyricism & playfulness for speed and the influx of contemporary & heavily synthesized music. it's as if some of them are entirely speed and beat driven.
     
  3. Spitfire

    Spitfire Well-Known Member

    And some are even doing ballroom or at least trying it out.
     
  4. Ray Sison

    Ray Sison New Member

    There's always some people who like something that bashes something else. I don't know if I've seen less (or more) of it among all the different "factions" of dance in my area...

    I've tried to be versatile enough to appreciate most all of it... :cool:
     
  5. kayak

    kayak Active Member

    Our local Lindy venue always has a couple "dance like a westie" songs just to make fun of the other half.
     
  6. Ray Sison

    Ray Sison New Member

    That's just not me. People have different tastes. There's room in his world for all kinds of dance styles... :)
     
  7. tangotime

    tangotime Well-Known Member

    You are speaking about Salsa ? no ?:rolleyes:
     
  8. rbazsz

    rbazsz New Member

    Spitfire -- we are from the same state, different cities. From what I can see Lindy is making a huge comeback, but most of those dancers move freely between Lindy and ECS and WCS.

    In AZ all types of swing are making a comeback and I don't see animosity between the groups. Let's hope it stays that way.
     
  9. Spitfire

    Spitfire Well-Known Member

    Good thing, see it down here too.

    And what I believe happens is when people become proficient at one dance they become interested in trying others.
     
  10. Phil Owl

    Phil Owl Well-Known Member

    I can only hope the "swing wars" are done with. It always bugged me how persnickety and snobby some folks would get over EC vs WC vs Ballroom, just struck me as senseless from the get go. To me, it's all good.
     
  11. Ray Sison

    Ray Sison New Member

    Often this happens when they get lots of exposure to those other dances--whether within Swing or in Latin or progressive ballroom dances or whatever...
     
  12. Spitfire

    Spitfire Well-Known Member

    As in the case when lindy dancers would go "bombing" at a ballroom studio dance and while waiting for lindy compatible music would try out some of the other dances.
     
  13. Dancelf

    Dancelf Member

    From my perspective, it's just your area. Or just my area. Not a general rule, that I can see.

    (a) I'm remote from Boston, so my observations may be invalid, but from what I can determine, the lindy and westie communities are not interacting at all. Certainly there doesn't appear to be as much crossover/acceptance as there was 10 years ago. Disclaimer: ten years ago was a peak in cooperation between the two communities.

    (b) in Austin, there's some co-op - the weekly Lindy dance has a side room that, once a month, is dedicated to Westie, which includes pulling in a couple instructors to teach a beginner class immediately before. Not a lot of cross over, though - the westies don't dance Lindy, the advanced Lindy hoppers will occasionally stick their toe in the water (though I think that has more to do with the music in the main room, or who they are dating, than anything else) but not very often.

    However, you'll see Austin blues dancers crossing into both westie and lindy, which is a sort of cross over, I suppose.
     
  14. kayak

    kayak Active Member

    Swing Time in the Rockies had quite an adventure trying to merge the Lindy dancers in. It could be an MBA study program on how not to do things. Everyone seemed to come away unhappy.
     
  15. TangoRocks

    TangoRocks Member

    Interesting. Where I am, it's almost like the WCS crowd grew out and split from the Lindy crowd, so there is still a big overlap in the two communities. Curiously enough, the WCS side is also attracting people from the ballroom community, which has had very little overlap with the Lindy one (myself and a few people I know being the exceptions rather than the rule.)

    The Lindy specialist studio here not only has their own WCS classes (although there are other WCS specialists in town, as well) but their weekly socials now run two rooms, one with Lindy and one with WCS DJs.
     
  16. Ray Sison

    Ray Sison New Member

    Spitfire, yes, I can see that. Meanwhile, some bombers will do Lindy anyways... :)
     
  17. tsb

    tsb Well-Known Member

    for some - but it comes out more when the salsa dancers try to dance cha-cha.

    EDIT: to me, old school WCS retains an element of flirtatiousness that is completely lost by the younger crowd. you can't tantalize without being (slow and) deliberate. but the loss of distinction by youth is not limited to dance - younger musicians tend to define virtuosity by speed while somebody like B B King can take a single note and make it say more than a flurry of 32nd notes.
     
  18. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member


    I can relate to what you're saying. There's a certain je ne sais quoi that more mature dancers and musicians have that's rare in younguns, IMHO. I suppose that there are some advantages to getting long in the tooth. (speaking for myself only :cool: )
     
  19. megeliz

    megeliz Member

    I don't find this to be true about Boston. I know of quite a few of us Westies that have stuck our toes at least a little bit in the Lindy world (and at least a few that actively participate in both), and don't know of any animosity to speak of, at least from the Westie side. As far as not interacting *at all* - what are Boston Tea Party and Swingin' New England? Granted, I was not around in the dance scene 10 years ago, and can only go by what Ive seen in the past 2.5 years.
     
  20. Spitfire

    Spitfire Well-Known Member

    That is true down here as well, plus the "old guard" in the Lindy scene has moved on; same with WCS. I haven't paid attention to the Lindy scene in Phoenix, but seems like WCS has grown up there since there are now two clubs, the GPSDC and DCS.
     

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