Swing Discussion Boards > Ask Frankie

Discussion in 'Swing Discussion Boards' started by d nice, Sep 4, 2003.

  1. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member

    Hey d nice! I realize that Orlando is not a "major scene", but I'm willing to drive or fly. Do you know if Frankie Manning has a website or if he publishes a calendar. Or do you publish info on your website?
     
  2. Spitfire

    Spitfire Well-Known Member

    Re: Varification!

    Joe, it's not a big deal; d nice is answering the question as he best knows. I may be wondering about the six count thing, but it's nothing that needs going out of the way to find out.
     
  3. d nice

    d nice New Member

    Jenn, Frankie will be at the Virgina State Open in October. The event is run by Craig Hutchinson. The event itself is a little weird as far as swing events go... the break down for dances is very ballroom-esque, but since it is so close to DC it generally draws a decent number of pretty amazing dancers. This is as close to Florida that I know he is going to be before the end of the year. I'll ask if there is anything closer out your way in the next six months. I do know he is on vacation the month of December.

    If you want to hook up with one of the original Savoy dancers, Sugar Sullivan lives in Boca I think (I can never remember where exactly, it is one of the small towns in Southern Florida). She might be at SoFLEX (South Florida Lindy EXchange).
     
  4. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member

    Cool! I may look into the South Florida Exchange. That's about a three-hour drive for me, versus about ten to VA. Plus, if I go to VA, I'll probably get waylaid by my Mom, who's in South Carolina. I'd probably never make it to Virginia, with all those homemade biscuits in me! :lol:
     
  5. Guest

    Guest Guest

  6. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Re: Varification!

    How about Frankie on video talking about it in his own instructional series?

    http://www.swingdanceshop.com/linhopwitfra.html

    While you're on the website, click on the videos and you can view a Quicktime movie.

    You can buy these for yourself, or go to your library and see if they have them (if they don't you can request them).

    -FF
     
  7. d nice

    d nice New Member

    Thanks for the website ff.
     
  8. Danish Guy

    Danish Guy New Member

    Re: Varification!

    Please stop treating this issue like it is a religious question. Should d’Nice lie just to annoy the BlackSheep. I don’t think so! Frankie could remember right or wrong. BlackSheep could remember right or wrong. It was long time ago in a big city. They could say 6 and 8 and both be right. Move on, and appreciate the dance as it is today. Have fun. Enjoy. If the Sheeps magic pill can help anyone that great. If somebody prefers another way, that’s great to. Personally I would like the friendly dance instructor back.
     
  9. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member

    Amen to that! 8)
     
  10. DanceMentor

    DanceMentor Administrator

    We will be using the answers that d'nice provides for this thread. If you feel d'nice is not going to give a valid answer, then I would suggest starting a separate thread about your point of view. The main focus of this thread is about Frankie's answers to d'nice's questions. If we are lucky, we may even get a recording which I will happily make available here on the forums.

    Danish Guy, well said!
    Swing Kitten, your the best!

    When it comes to Frankie Manning, I will personally vouch for the fact that he considers the 8-count swing out the core of the Lindy Hop and nearly all the moves he teaches are 8 count including the line dances. Yes, he does do some 6-count, but he always keeps some level of phrasing with the music. 6-count is not a very good method of choreography.

    Let's stick to questions you would like to ask Frankie.

    Here's one:
    Frankie, if we gathered some donations from people, would you give your official answers right here on the Dance Forums? We can hire a typist if you like.
     
  11. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member

    Hey, what am I, chopped liver? :lol: :lol: Just kidding. Yes. They both said what needed saying, and said it well.


    This is an excellent idea. It would be so nice to get words of wisdom from some living greats, like Frankie Manning and others. It's worth making a donation. This is a rare time in history, and these folks won't be around forever. We need to learn all we can. :)
     
  12. SDsalsaguy

    SDsalsaguy Administrator Staff Member

  13. d nice

    d nice New Member

    Re: Varification!

    Two notes...

    While it is technically possible that a dancer from one era could forget what they used to do... Frankie never stopped dancing (minus his stint in the Army in WWII). He danced pretty much every week up in Harlem and in the late 80's began to dance around not just this country but the world. The line of continuity unbroken and so many film clips of his dancing from the Swing Era of the 30's and 40's, make it very unlikely that he could have forgotten something so basic as... the basic. Fact is the count behind his dancing now and the dancing in his clips is the same.

    We've already established that Joe, despite his insistance of using a six count method, infact executes the swing out in the eight count format as counted by todays international instructors.

    The problem really lies in the fact that Joe didn't learn swing dancing in 30's Harlem, the acknowledged hot bed of the dance. I believe he learned more than a decade later (Joe will correct me if I am wrong, but he has said he didn't start dancing swing until around 27, and by that rakish picture of his, he couldn't possibly have been born in 1913) and on the other coast. The dance had noticeably changed both in its music and its form. So while some people maintained the name Lindy Hop a significant number of dancers had switched to the term Lindy, Jitterbug, or Swing.

    As is want with dancers today, many people do not want to acknowledge what they are dong may be a different dance. Despite the number of changes in style, form, music, moves, and character.

    Suffice to say that I have little doubt Joe teaches the dance the way he danced it in the 50's. That dance however is not the same as done by Herbert White's performers, the dancers from the Savoy Ballroom, or from Harlem... at least according to those who are still with us or the film footage.
     
  14. DanceMentor

    DanceMentor Administrator

    Thanks for the support, chopped liver...er...pygmalion :lol: :lol: :lol:
    WOuldn't it be awesome if we could get Frankie Manning offer his comments right here on Dance Forums?

    d'nice,
    I have a high level of confidence the dancers at the Savoy dance an 8-count swing out as the basis of their dance.
     
  15. d nice

    d nice New Member

    Well I'm glad of your confidence. The fact Frankie counts it out as eight in his instructional video is pretty telling as far as what he does now... which is pretty much the same (minus adjustments made from a performance style to the social style) as his film clips in the 40's.

    Anyone who doubts should check out the movies Frankie has been in and count it out themselves.

    You certainly don't need me or Joe telling you what it is, when you have two perfectly good eyes yourself.

    "The Proof is in the pudding." - Anonymous
     
  16. SDsalsaguy

    SDsalsaguy Administrator Staff Member

    And, from the Frankie Manning… Master of the Lindy Hop interview, in Articles...

    (His point having been that, back in the day, they didn't think about numbers but now, instructionally, this is the count/timing he uses.)
     
  17. d nice

    d nice New Member

    Neat. I could have swoorn I read someone else say something like that. Maybe in this thread? ;)
     
  18. Black Sheep

    Black Sheep New Member

    Frankie's Verification

    Lindy Buffs,
    Does not the statement below by Frankie verify what I have been saying for a long, long time that, 'There was no such thing as an 'Eight Count Lindy" in the 1940's & 1950's'?

    Quote:
    Has what you teaching changed over the years?
    FRANKIE, "Well, it has changed because now at least I know how to count up to eight!

    Black Sheep, 'Talk is cheep, but Frankie's Verification is GOLDEN'
     
  19. Black Sheep

    Black Sheep New Member

    Frankie Iterview

    Frankie Fans,
    Check out SDSalsaguy's revealing intervierw of Frankie Manning for a Primary Source Report on his thread, FRANKIE MANNMING ...MASTER of the LINDSY HOP' for a realk eye opener!.
    Black Sheep, I never knew Bo Peep!
     
  20. SDsalsaguy

    SDsalsaguy Administrator Staff Member

    Re: Frankie Iterview

    Just for the record, I did not do this interview! As posted at the bottom of the article, I was just re-posting, with full permission, form Dance Notes. The interview itself was conducted by Christine Zona, Dance Notes' Editor-in-Chief .
     

Share This Page