I don't think that anybody here was calling martial arts dance. I certainly wasn't. My main point has been that many of the often fairly counterintuitive reflexes I've learned in the dojo have translated easily to the dance floor. Heck, my "frame" started life as a defensive reflex. Like learning a routine without any lead/follow connection? Agreed... Many of the same traits that make a effective martial artist make a good looking dancer. Weird. What you have described here is the mindset that I achieve when following to the very best of my ability. No preconcieved ideas indeed. Different activities with different purposes, but using essentially the same set of tools - two human bodies and the consious and unconsious kinesthetic communication between them. I find the overlap in method as big as you find the gap in purpose. Cheers Sarah able to dominate a confrontational situation  Ok, then `win a fight'.  Two or more.