Thank you everybody for the thoughts on WCS. I apologize for the little hijjack to Peaches's thread, but what I have read here has helped me. You know, people keep telling me this, but after a while, it just becomes so horribly hard to believe. I can count using one hand the men I feel comfortable dancing this with, and those men are exceptional dancers. Usually this means I have some serious work to do. This post makes sense to me, and others above have also mentioned this similarity between the way AT should be taught and the way WCS should be taught. I admit all of my bad WCS experiences have been at ballroom dance socials. Not to sound like a complete tango brat, but when I see AT danced at ballroom socials, most of it is clearly a guessing game for the follow on which memorized AT pattern she should begin flying through. Ballroom dancers also often complain about how AT is too complicated and they'd rather spend their time improving their ballroom. Now that I think about, I almost always hear the same complaint about WCS, except instead of saying they'd rather spend more time improving ballroom, they say they need to improve it because everybody else wants to dance it. I cannot imagine how awful AT would feel if I were new to it, if it were the latest fad, and that when an American tango came on, guys would grab me "for some AT," start off walking, and then using no lead at all, launch into step 15 of the DVIDA syllabus, "15) Parada, Sandwich al Reves & Pasada con Media Luna - Stop, Reverse Sandwich, Pass Over with Half Moon." :doh: I would completely hate tango! YES exactly. That is exactly how I feel! I hate this step. The guy just stops dancing for no reason and starts clomping from side to side.