Tango Argentino > Ballroom style

Discussion in 'Tango Argentino' started by Shaka, Mar 22, 2011.

  1. Zoopsia59

    Zoopsia59 Well-Known Member

    Yes... If the V isn't really a part of the list of "styles" you are referring to, then it makes more sense. For me (and this is totally subjective and other followers may have different perspective) dancing squared off to each other in CE is more similar to doing the same in OE, than dancing CE squared off is similar to CE in a V.

    For me, it's not about the distance from the partner, it's about the position (and angle) relative to the partner. Shared weight is different from standing on your own balance, but since even OE nuevo dancers do volcadas, shared weight isn't all that alien even for those who don't dance apilado regularly.

    There are some changes the follower has to make in how she executes certain moves like ochos and molinete in an apilado/milonguero embrace compared to OE, nuevo, or what's now popularly (and incorrectly) called "salon". But for me, the transition to a pronounced V embrace with my head facing right changes everything, not just the technique involved for a few specific moves based on a the changed principle of crossing instead of pivoting.
     
  2. Subliminal

    Subliminal Well-Known Member

    That's the problem isn't it? I think if there's an answer, it's that you can come up with a standard teaching method for tango, but you can't really standardize the movements.
     
  3. salthepal

    salthepal New Member

    Is it a given that "VU embrace" is an open V hold? I've been watching a lot videos of dancers typically referred to as VU (examples include, but are not limited to, Dante Sanchez & Angelica Avalos, Jorge Dispari & La Turca, Sebastian Jimenez & Maria Ines Bogado) , but I'm seeing a lot of chest-to-chest, cheek-to-cheek when they're in close embrace. It seems to me that the defining characteristic is the opening and closing of the embrace in conjunction with the upright posture and long steps, rather than just the open V hold/embrace ... Although, the fact that Carlos & Rosa Perez dance in an open V does undermine my argument.
     
  4. Subliminal

    Subliminal Well-Known Member

    I don't even know. From what I understand, VU is just a marketing label, and isn't really standardized either. :) I think I've seen the same thing you have, some of those who use the label use the V, others don't.
     
  5. tangotime

    tangotime Well-Known Member

    I think Billy made enough from the number of times that was played socially for Q/step and in comps. !
     
  6. JohnEm

    JohnEm Well-Known Member

    Going back:
    I agree with this:
    Have said something similar and more about participation and involvement
    to confused followers who are struggling in classes being told and shown
    rather than by dancing and then make attempts with other beginners.

    And this:
     
  7. Peaches

    Peaches Well-Known Member

    See, and I just don't find them to be all that different. Shrug. Not comfort-wise, not ease-wise...not really even technique-wise. (Granted, the last could be on account of my own crappy blending of techniques, but still.) Guys around here tend to be primarily shoulders-parallel, but they tend to lead a blend of movements--crossed-back molinetes but pivoting ochos, for example. I've just never really thought about it much--my lessons would tend to move between open, V, parallel w/o weight sharing, and parallel w/ weight sharing, so all of the various styles just seem...equally normal.
     
  8. rbazsz

    rbazsz New Member

    There should be a minimum age for Tango, maybe 16. Watching this is too much like child porno -- and the kids are good only if their young age is considered.
     
  9. newbie

    newbie Well-Known Member

    The only given about VU is that is does not exist. If you like acronyms then you may try the CR (Carlos & Rosa) embrace.
     
  10. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    The First Rule of VU is that you don't talk about VU. :D
     
  11. AndaBien

    AndaBien Well-Known Member

    What, exactly, does that mean? Does it mean that everyone who dances that way is imaginary? Which styles do actually exist?
     
  12. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    and all VU dancers look like this....
    @DB eerie how we were both thinking of F. club......
     

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  13. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    I believe newbies point is that "VU style" is simply a marketing term used for hype. In fact, it seems to have gone out of style in the UK over the past year. A couple of years ago, you couldn't throw a brick in London without hitting a visiting "VU style guru" offering overpriced workshops.

    Now, not so much...

    Our minds are becoming one.
     
  14. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member


    basically cos most brits cant dance it.....I'm more of a Vooom dancer*

    is that the tango connection everyone waffles on about?



    *"Voom is so hard to get,
    You never saw anything
    Like it, I bet.
    Why, Voom dances to anything
    musically as can be!"

    Then he yelled,
    "Take your hat off now,
    Little Cat Z!
    Take the Voom off your head!
    Make this milonga Go!
    Hurry! You Little Cat!
    One! Two! Three! GO!"

    Then the Voom...
    It went VOOM!
    And, oh boy! What a VOOM!

    Now, don't ask me what Voom is.
    I never will know.
    But, boy! Let me tell you
    it allows you to dance to Galla Ciego!


    with apologies to Dr Seuss
     
  15. Zoopsia59

    Zoopsia59 Well-Known Member

    I did quite a lot of V embrace with my head facing right this past week. I discovered that actually, I'm not as bad as I thought... it must have been the few leaders who I was first doing it with who made it awkward in some way. The people I danced with this weekend felt comfortable. It's still not as natural for me as looking over the leader's right shoulder or at least having my forehead to his cheek, but it wasn't impossible for me anymore either.
     
  16. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member

    Is there a thread that talks about the various types of embrace? As in explaining not arguing about?

    Would be a good read, if such a thing existed.
     
  17. AndaBien

    AndaBien Well-Known Member

    Yet, when we in this forum mention VU we all seem to understand what the reference is. If we see a couple dancing that way we can describe it as VU.

    Milonguero style didn't exist until Susanna Miller began teaching it, but soon after that everyone knew what it meant. The people who danced that way had been doing so for many years without it having a name. The name is now out of vogue, but if someone says milonguero, I think we all know what it means.

    The fact that terminology comes and goes, for whatever reason, doesn't mean that way of dancing doesn't exist.
     
  18. tangomonkey

    tangomonkey Active Member

    Good luck with that...:)
     
  19. Peaches

    Peaches Well-Known Member

    Awww...aren't you so cute! ;):D

    Seriously..I don't think so. It would be interesting, and informative, but I doubt you'd get any sort of agreement or coherence. Possibly civility, but a greater likelihood of incivility.
     
  20. Peaches

    Peaches Well-Known Member

    Funny how that can work, innit?

    There was one guy I danced with a couple of times a few years ago... I had the absolute hardest time following him AT ALL when I started. I'd gone for the usual-around-here straight-on embrace, and just nothing felt right. I mean, seriously everything felt hella off. It had me seriously doubting myself. And then one time--still not sure how, if I adjusted, or we opened-then-closed and I ended up in a different position--I ended up sort of off to his right side with a pretty significant V-opening...and suddenly everything became easy. The leads were crystal clear, movement was easy, things just flowed. Strange how that happens sometimes.
     

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