Tango Argentino > CE question to leaders-the CW giro, how do you begin it?

Discussion in 'Tango Argentino' started by Mario7, Mar 29, 2010.

  1. Mario7

    Mario7 Member

    well, obviously you 'know' more than I do..and I respect that:tongue:
    but if the woman is off to my right instead of straight on...well, it's a BIG change! ..and yes the balance is different... I've never seen a woman lead as well as any average man..probably a fault of the breasts..as in throwing a baseball.:together:
  2. Zoopsia59

    Zoopsia59 Well-Known Member

    Do you WANT the follower off to your right? If you do, that's one thing...

    But if not, you do have some amount of control over whether she drifts there. Of course, SHE also has to play her part and stay in front of you, but there are things the leader does or doesn't do that affect "follower drift". Some leaders are harder to stay in front of than others. And of course, some don't actually want the follower flat-on directly in front.

    And BTW I know several women who lead MUCH better than the "average" male leader... I wouldn't claim to be one of them however.

    Speaking of followers who lead... it jsut realized we haven't seen Heather lately? Did I miss something?
  3. Mario7

    Mario7 Member

    Hmmm, thanks for the pointer. I must be sliding my embrace to the right
    when I go outside her right in parallel walking...I'm not sure that I want to do that but it has been working..I must give it some thought and more looking into.:eek:
  4. Mladenac

    Mladenac Well-Known Member

  5. Mario7

    Mario7 Member

    Just glanced at the video thanks. As I only do close embrace I couldn't see
    any relevant embrace in this dance.
  6. Mladenac

    Mladenac Well-Known Member

    You wanted giro and how to lead it.
    There you have good leader's and follower's pattern.
    Full CE is quite difficult for follower because she needs to have very good dissociation.
    So you loosen a bit, with your shoulder, or as seen in this video, by releasing an embrace a bit.
    Or it would be more difficult if they had stayed a little bit more forward.

    I saw on one video Fede and Ines what you put as grapewine.
    I will watch them again and let you know.

    can you put a link with what kind of an embrace you are dancing.
    This is usual tango salon embrace (close - open).
  7. Zoopsia59

    Zoopsia59 Well-Known Member

    Not nessesarily... she needs to know to do a crossing ocho rather than a pivoting ocho. Then there is not so much need for dissociation.
  8. Mario7

    Mario7 Member

    Oh ooh, this is obviously going to be my next 'problem'...getting the embrace, after all this input I am beginning to thing that I am 'adjusting' my embrace without giving it due thought...I don't even know what embrace I am now using! I haven't had a dance partner for two weeks and have been practicing alone...so, right now I am doing walking with giros...getting the balance and steps smooth... hopefully this week I will again be dancing with a woman.:)
    I want to dance close embrace with the woman's right breast between both of mine.
    I think that I may have slid it over even more to accomadate the outside paralell walking that I've been doing a lot of lately... but I won't know until I next have a partner to dance with.
  9. Mladenac

    Mladenac Well-Known Member


    It will be very difficult to have firm embrace all the time.
    And if lady puts her arm a little bit lower it would limit your dissociation.


    I believe its possible to do it that way.
    But it's awkard to me, and I was taught not to do giro that way.
  10. Zoopsia59

    Zoopsia59 Well-Known Member

    Just goes to show how instruction varies widely... I was taught that way first.
  11. Mladenac

    Mladenac Well-Known Member

    In giro focus on your shoulders first. Steps will come naturally.
    Always open outer sholder so you invite follower into opening space.

    I was taught to dance CE that she is in front of me.
    My righ nipple on her left nipple (with appropriate partners height :cool:)
    I tried but rotations seems to bit a little off .
    Dancing V and N on N. :ladiesma:
  12. Mario7

    Mario7 Member

    Yes, I was advised to think 'lead shoulder' by a good dance partner.
    l will try the nipple to nipple..hmm, this could get even better!:cowboy:
  13. Mladenac

    Mladenac Well-Known Member

    I wanted to say when I was in the middle of her breasts that it's strange.
    And simple ocho cortado is very awkard.

    Dancing her in front of her gives you a better feel where she is,
    and your frame is not shifted to the side i.e. shoulder for giro.
    And all body dissociation you make it will be well transfered and all body movements as well.

    And you push her with your body, arms are only for the embrace and rotation that are led with frame and opening shoulder.
    Arms shouldn't be stiff not limp, but active.
    Varying embrace in CE you prepare partner for various circular movements.
    e.g. using free leg, circular colgada, dinamic circular movements.
    So remember: embrace is never constant during the dance.

    Dancing that try to be in V position, you slightly to your left, her to her right.
    Here forehead should be on your cheek.
    So you will be able to feel her like you would have and instrument that you play e.g. violin.
    The way she steps, the weight, where is her free leg cause all spine movements will be transfered.

    Check Pablo Rodriguez and Noelia Hurtado.

    If you are taught by Julio Balmaceda teachers that you have stiff embrace, but very flexible lower part.
    Rodrigo Palacios and Augustina Berenstein are his pupils.
  14. tangobro

    tangobro Active Member

    If i'm dancing apilado style my default rt turn is this one as it was taught by Monica Paz:

    I'm working on using the sacada


    If I'm dancing close embrace in a flexible v salon style (which alternates between v & flat on) the techniques in the previously posted vids are my default (lead the back ocho, step in with right foot)

  15. Mario7

    Mario7 Member

    Thanks for going to the trouble to find all the videos and writing your details...Happily, I've already been watching three of the videos.
    Thank you Mladenach too, for all your details.
  16. Mladenac

    Mladenac Well-Known Member

  17. Mario7

    Mario7 Member

    Thanks Mladenac.
    And thanks tangobro for uploading this video that I'm studying fruitfully!! Nicely videoed.

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  18. tangobro

    tangobro Active Member

    the best part is watching each of them while they dance socially in the milonga, with other people & with each other. They also did great workshops.
  19. Angel HI

    Angel HI Well-Known Member


    Those of you who know me will answer this straight away. What has been my incessant rant since I have been at the DF? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkyhik5hhw0&feature=sub

    One can actually see it? This video is a perfect example of the necessity for finding middle!!! Nice dance.
  20. Subliminal

    Subliminal Well-Known Member

    Hmm, video isn't showing up for me Angel. Is it just me, or is the link been moved?

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