Tango Argentino > Clothes for the Man

Discussion in 'Tango Argentino' started by bordertangoman, May 5, 2010.

  1. Madahlia

    Madahlia Member

    Yup, I don't like jackets either. They are too bulky, too formal, and as they cannot be washed easily, inclined to be a bit musty. I also don't like shirt collar corners that poke in my eye during CE dancing.

    I like guys to wear jeans or casual trousers with a nice, crisp, well-fitting, clean, pressed non-synthetic shirt, not tucked in. Not keen on ties. I like people to look casual and I'm not keen on elaborately formal clothing myself.
     
  2. I never thought about the shirt collar corners! I'm not sure there's a solution for this...
    Wow. That's an expensive T-Shirt o_O'
    Fortunately, my sweat smells of chocolate and hazelnut (at least that's what my wife tells me - agreed, she may be trying not to hurt my feelings) so I can stick to shirts which are not engineered by the NASA :)
     
  3. Zoopsia59

    Zoopsia59 Well-Known Member

    No one I dance with is tall enough for that to be an issue with me. (I'm 5'-8"+ in heels) My eyes are WAY above their shirt collar points. The few that are very tall dance primarily open embrace because most everyone is too short for them.
     
  4. dchester

    dchester Moderator Staff Member

    Check out the similar shirts by Champion. They are much cheaper than the Nike or Under Armor ones. Target (among other stores) carry them. That wicking really does make a difference.
     
  5. Temza

    Temza Member

    There is a couple in our classes: she is always in a nice frock and he wears black tie and waistcoat. They look soooo cooool! and not at all out of place. I always admire the courage of their convictions
     
  6. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    which of course : leads to my hypothesis that we should be wearing cardigans not jackets;
    i am going to initiate a retro Starsky and Hutch look.;)
     
  7. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    On the other hand, they do work well in terms of helping posture... argh, I can't decide...

    Blimey, Ms FussyPants I'll have to call you next time I see you :p
     
  8. Captain Jep

    Captain Jep New Member

    lol - after all that procrastinating you buy a jacket and then the ladies tell you not to bother! - women hey?! :p

    I'm sort of regretting all the exercise I've been doing recently. I've now all but lost my man-boobs - in retrospect they were the perfect pillow for the lady to rest their head on - hahahaha....
     
  9. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    WHAT? do you starch your jacket????? or do you mean they hide bad posture? :lol:

    went round TKMax touching fabric to see what feels nice; we could see the return of Faux suede bomber jackets; linen shirts are nice (Blue Harbour @M&S)

    Harris Tweed is more in the sackcloth line..but suits some people but they do have some dog-s*** like colours, I like large dog-tooth but that might fall into the op-art eye hurting category....

    and never mind pointy collars; some ladies earrings could pass for torture devices....
     
  10. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

    By the way, who will be there this summer?
    Looking forward
     
  11. Joe

    Joe Well-Known Member

    You fellows who wear wicking clothing...your partners must really love you. :rolleyes:
     
  12. eran

    eran New Member

    This is a really good discussion!
    Here (Melbourne Australia) the men are very casual to milongas, ie trousers and either long sleeved shirt or t-shirt.
    I always wear a suite (without a tie) and shirt. My reasons are as follows:
    - I would like the ladies to be sexy and glamorous so I should expect no less of myself
    - Formalizing the dress makes the occasion more special... there is a reason why professional dancers wear suites
    - The jacket part is important because I think it must be most unpleasant for the followers to have to put their arm on sweat
    My 2 cents worth...
    Eran
     
  13. tangobro

    tangobro Active Member

    depends on the milonga - outdoors I'm casual, usually dress jeans with either a T-shirt or Under Armour compression T, or a Polo shirt. If it's outdoors at the pier I'll pull a sweater over - usually cashmere, silk, or a silk cashmere blend. Because they're lightweight & not uncomfortable to be close to dancing CE.

    For indoor milongas I struggle with the internalized voice of my teachers who grew up & danced in the Villa Urquiza milongas & insist that dressing for the milonga was part of what Tango is about, and the here & now reality that, unless someone came directly from the office, jackets and ties are seldom seen on the social dance scene.

    At indoor milongas dress shirt (cotton, or linen) & dress pants or suit, possibly with vest, tie and cufflinks. At the monthly milongas I'll be apt to wear more formal, at the weekly milongas less formal - no jacket, no tie. If I wear a jacket I avoid heavy wool, I'll wear silk or something light that the ladies won't mind being in close embrace with.

    Why
    1) My comfort
    2) comfortable for partner in CE

    No polyester
     
  14. Zoopsia59

    Zoopsia59 Well-Known Member

    When a guy is the only guy at a milonga in a suit, I guarantee you that the followers are not sitting around thinking ."Wow.. I can't believe he is so tacky as to dress up.. he looks AWFUL!" ;)

    Women are far more critical of other women being overdressed for an occasion than they are of men. (Women are more likely to be critical of men when they are too casual for the occasion). A man can even show up for an outdoor BBQ and use the "I came directly from work/ a funeral/ whatever" excuse. Its hard for a woman to get away with being overly made up and wearing a slinky cocktail dress with high heels when it is not warranted. A guy who goes to breakfast in a suit looks like he is going somewhere afterwards.. A woman who goes to breakfast in a cocktail dress looks like she never went home from the night before. Jackets on men are almost all-purpose attire. Sexy dresses on women are not. (at least that's how it is in much of the Eastern US)

    So if you want to dress nice, go for it! Standing out because you are the one guy who put in the effort is not a bad thing (Its like a job interview... better to be overdressed than underdressed!) Remember... even when a woman is dressed casually, she probably spent a fair amount of time putting together a stylish "casual" outfit and doing makeup that looks like she's not wearing any. It takes a lot of effort to achieve effortless-looking beauty.

    Personally, I have not found a suit jacket to be a problem in CE. Maybe some men don't have properly fitting suits? It must be buttoned however.. an unbuttoned jacket does tend to drift around and both the jacket front and the follower will have trouble staying where they should be.
     
  15. Madahlia

    Madahlia Member

    I'm afraid I think that using a few pounds of shoulderpads and interlining to beef up your posture is just plain cheating!

    Not at all, it must be a pretty easy look for a guy to achieve. After all, shirts are sold in every men's outfitter in the land, in a fairly standard cut so decision-making is cut to a minimum. Ditto jeans. All it takes is choosing some that fit nice and keeping them washed and pressed.

    Having said that, many's the time I've wanted to drag some poor bloke off the dance floor and give him stern advice on dress sense and personal hygiene, so clearly it's not that easy. Maybe I'm just bossy.

    Yeah, it happens when midget me dances with a bean pole. It just doesn't work.

    I'm not crazy about the tango cliches - fedora hat, baggy trousers, red & black, flashy shoes, tie, linen jackets. I guess if people feel that's their natural style then you have to go for it, but I really like seeing younger dancers that make a very casual look work for them.

    That bit about looking casual taking a lot of thought and effort - very true.
     
  16. dchester

    dchester Moderator Staff Member

    As strange as it sounds, yes. A lot of women really do prefer dancing with me when I'm not soaking wet in a cotton shirt. Although a few women have said they don't mind the sweat as long as I'm clean (i.e. no odor).
     
  17. mshedgehog

    mshedgehog New Member

    I like jackets. They make many men much easier to dance with (I happen to dance with a lot of slightly-built men) and they often make the embrace much more comfortable and easy for me.

    Some men change their posture radically for the better when they put on a jacket, just because of the way it makes them feel. But the whole point of the design of a suit jacket anyway is that it gives a certain smooth and squarish shape to shoulders and torso.

    Also I quite like the formality and grown-upness. But I am equally happy with a normal nice shirt of whatever kind in a nice colour - polo shirts are good. Jackets take a bit of looking after and have to be dry cleaned regularly, and they also must fit reasonably well or they may rattle about a bit. I don't like T-shirts; I don't want to be dancing with a man who's dressed as a child. But that's all about context so would vary from place to place.

    Those dry shirts are excellent - no wetness whatsoever, and many of them just look like an ordinary polo shirt or something. Some look sportier than others, some look more formal.

    Cotton shirts I am not keen on as they get horribly wet really fast.

    Ties for tall men are good as they make them button up the shirt collar which gets in the way otherwise! Also they look very good. But they're probably not for every day, only a few men wear them frequently. I don't mind as long as the collar doesn't get in my face.
     
  18. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    going to hijack my own thread here; with a small grouch..

    womens hair.. the number of times I wish I hada pocket of hair grips or even a large paperclip..getting hair in the eyes and sometimes the mouth aint pleasant; asymmetric hairstyles are required for tango get your hair on the left-hand side of your head please and if its curly or frizzy pin it down.

    BOT
     
  19. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    The truth about 'wicking'

    "There is a lot of pseudo-science surrounding the subject of "wicking". Let's be clear about this. A "wick" is a strip of fabric made of organic fibres such as cotton, linen or hemp, used in oil lamps. Oil is sucked up by the porous fibres from the pool of oil. When the synthetic manufacturers needed to describe the process by which their synthetic clothing dried, they obviously felt that the term "drip" (for this is what it really does) was not suitable for their advertising campaigns, and so they came up with the idea of turning the noun "wick" into a new verb - "to wick".
    The problem is that most oil-based synthetics cannot "wick" in any sense of the word as they are incapable of absorbing moisture, any more in fact that a plastic washing up bowl. They are non-porous. Moisture only moves through synthetic clothing by virtue of the knit construction. This ensures that the lines of knitting slope outwards, and gravity does the rest - dripping!

    Merino, like all wools, actually absorbs moisture, and then sheds it gradually to its outer surface. This is "wicking". No synthetic can do it - only attempt an approximation of it.

    There are cellulose-based fabrics coming on to the market now, bamboo being one, however these can absorb far too much moisture and then hang on to it, creating a cold wet garment that can add to the dangers of hyperthermia for the wearer. For use for hot (dry) weather garments, these fabrics may be fine, but they are not suitable for all-round, all-weather, garments.

    There is a commonly held belief that a wicking base layer will stop your clothing becoming damp and sweaty. This is not necessarily true. It depends on what you are wearing on top of your baselayer.

    When you work hard your body produces perspiration to help you keep cool. If you are stark naked, this sweat normally evaporates from the surface of your skin. If you are wearing a single layer of absorbent clothing, the sweat will be absorbed by this layer, and eventually evaporate into the atmosphere if it is warm enough. When you stop working hard, or just slow down a bit, and start to cool down, the absorbent layer you are wearing will become cold and damp next to your skin.

    A "wicking" garment is supposed to pass the perspiration through from your skin to the next clothing layer. However it can only pass it from its own inner surface to its own outer surface. Each succeeding layer must do it's own job of passing on the perspiration to the next layer until it eventually gets to the outer surface and is passed into the atmosphere. If one of these intermediate layers is absorbent it will absorb the perspiration as well as passing it on - but only "if". As we said before, synthetic fibres do not absorb moisture. They "drip". Their interlock construction allows moisture to trickle down through the gaps.

    You can therefore have the situation of wearing high performance wicking underwear giving you a dry comfortable skin but your cotton or synthetic midlayer is very damp under your breathable jacket, making you feel cold - and possibly giving you wet feet!

    For maximum performance wicking underwear requires a middle layer which will wick at a similar rate and an outer layer capable of passing the perspiration rapidly to the atmosphere. Because of merino's ability to both absorb and shed moisture, and because of its ability to keep you warm even when wet, it makes an ideal base layer and mid layer under any outer layer."
    FROM:
    http://www.chocolatefishmerino.co.uk/technical/wicking.html
     
  20. Joe

    Joe Well-Known Member

    Who knew?
     

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