Salsa > Different styles of salsa

Discussion in 'Salsa' started by Salsaonone, Dec 17, 2004.

  1. Salsaonone

    Salsaonone New Member

    From what I have heard from dance instructors out here in Phoenix, there seems to be two "extreme" ends of salsa style...NY and LA (dont ask me about details as this might be an exaggeration...hehe), and every place inbetween is some hybrid and that everywhere you go, you might find different styles of salsa dancing...this is depressing to me....

    I want to be able to dance my style, whatever style it is, where ever I go and have followers not freak out because its a different style than what they leared from their local teachers. Is my worry over-rated or is this a real concern? I know within my own salsa community there are differences, but it was made out to me that if I went to LA or NY, I would be starting all over again.

    I also see that is true in rueda as well. I saw a clip of a move, I think it was called "Evelyn" or something like that, from a link on DF, but when I went to a rueda class here, they showed a different move, almost the same, but different enough with the same can you do rueda if you have people who think a move is slightly different?

    Just for an example, the evelyn move on the movie clip starts with what I call an "adios" start then the man does the hook turn, and then de li que no (I dont know how its spelled), while the class I just had, started with a tap move (like montana, and sombero, siete) does something like the first part of montana, then goes into the hook turn, brings the lady to the side and then deliqueno...hmm...

    I dont know if I explained that well..but the point is that the two moves, with the same name, were different, and if you are doing rueda, that might make it hard if the members think the same move is two different moves....
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  2. Pacion

    Pacion New Member

    Welcome to the twilight zone! :twisted: :lol: It doesn't happen with just rueda but it happens with shines also. I have "been there, done that and worn the t-shirt". But, you just have to try and keep the two moves (same name) compartmentalised in your brain.

    As for going to NY or LA and "starting all over again", I think that would only apply if what they are teaching you is their own version/interpretation of salsa. :roll:
  3. tj

    tj New Member

    Well... :?

    Truth be told, I find myself as an On1 dancer with a background of LA Style and Rueda de Casino in a primarily On2 town. There are still plenty of dancers who will dance my way/style, you just need to find them.

    Bottom line is that if you can lead it, and lead it well, there will be Follows who will appreciate you.
  4. aimerrouge

    aimerrouge New Member

    I personally don't believe that. If you have true timing capabilities and have good control of your movement, it's not difficult to "switch to" any of the 3 styles mentioned.

    My way of handling people who believe that is to not talk to them about this subject. They believe their way is the ONLY way. :roll:
    I let my ability to dance all 3 styles speak for itself.
  5. peachexploration

    peachexploration New Member

    Salsaonone, TJ really nails it here.

    To me, the thing about Rueda is that MOST of the moves WILL be closely related. I've viewed clips in Germany, Denmark and Texas when I had forgotten something I had learned and have gone to class and got through it fine. Even if it was slightly different, and since I had developed a basic Rueda foundation, I could easily pick it up and make changes quickly. The key is getting that basic foundation which I think you already have, and then adjusting.

    Since Rueda/Casino and LA style are On1, they wouldn't be as hard to pick up as On2 would be. For example, you can do the same moves in ON1 and ON2 BUT the execution of the moves are on different beats. That's where it gets tricky. So you will have difficulty if you dance On1 and "everyone" else dances On2. In that regard, I wouldn't think of it as completely starting over, just learning a new philosophy of Salsa.

    Unless you're moving to an On2 town and only know Casino Rueda, I wouldn't worry about it too much, muchacho. :D There will always be differences anywhere you go but as you develop as a dancer, you will easily adjust with no problem. Just my opinion. :D
  6. Pacion

    Pacion New Member

    This is an interesting comment. I read once (somewhere in my murky past of salsa googling) that cuban salsa is (drumroll) on2. You just wrote that rueda/casino is on1. Does this mean my information source was incorrect (quite possible as there were other "discrepencies" in the article) or in Cuba they dance both on1 and on2 or, as will other styles, they are taught but the count is modified to suit the teacher?
  7. peachexploration

    peachexploration New Member

    I've only seen and done Casino Rueda On1 but that doesn't mean it's the only way. The point I was making is if you have learned any style ON1, it would be easier learning or adapting to any other style ON1 than it would be learning ON2.
  8. Sagitta

    Sagitta Well-Known Member

    I have done Casino rueda on1 and on3. I must start learning to call out moves too. Opps. :oops: Another goal to end to my 2005 list. :car:
  9. youngsta

    youngsta Active Member

    I don't believe that if you dance one style you'll be starting all over in a city with a different style. If you personally believe you can only dance one way and not adapt to your follow then yeah, you're SOL. But I travel a lot and have never had a problem dancing with follows in different areas. It's all salsa, I don't care what count you're dancing on.
  10. peachexploration

    peachexploration New Member

    Getting back on track. Again, Salsaonone, I think you're okay and you should not worry too much. The more you dance, the more you find that you will be able to adjust to any style of Salsa.
  11. Pacion

    Pacion New Member

    :shock: Peach I got the point you were making. I was just expressing a thought that came into my head when I read what you wrote and was reminded of something that I had read previously. Maybe I will start a different thread on it :roll: :wink:
  12. alvaro

    alvaro New Member

    All cubans i've met dance salsa and rueda on 1, but cubans dance son on 2 so it could have confused whomever wrote that article you read. I've seen guys dancing salsa on 2 like a 'casino-son' but it's definitely not the mainstream.

    There was a related thread here about the differences between cuban style and the 'linear' styles, so you might want to check that one.
    -I- think its a real concern, but since i like to learn at least a little from different styles i'm not too worried about it. But followers will probably be able to follow a carefull good lead in any style, so maybe the concern is not that real ...

    That sentence about the 'extreme' styles, sounds either wrong or just too USA-centric to me. I can't picture cuban style, nor colombian (many very different styles there), as hybrids from LA and NY... also, think about it, (as far as i know) LA style is a 'young' style.
  13. squirrel

    squirrel New Member

    I love dancing with people who have a different style... :). Last night, I met this salsero from Norway and he was leading so very differently from the local guys... sort of a delayed signal... for instance, I've been taught that in a normal CBL with a turn the turn should be signalled on 6 (I dance on1)... but he was giving me the signal on 7! :)

    I loved dancing with him, as his patterns were completely different than ours... and he seemed to have fun and was very careful with me! :)
  14. azzey

    azzey Member

    Norway has a lot of Cuban style dancing. Cuban turns are lead on 7, that is prepared on 7 in one direction, then lead on 1 in the other direction.
  15. azzey

    azzey Member

    :lol: :lol: Not unless they had a time machine. :wink:
  16. squirrel

    squirrel New Member

    I said Norway... :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: I must have been sleeping... he was from Copenhagen, Denmark...
  17. azzey

    azzey Member

    Rueda (dancing in a wheel) and Casino (Cuban style dancing) are often done in Cuba to Timba music (it was invented by Cuban musicians for dancing rueda and has rueda calls in the lyrics). Timba often starts off with a section of Son (which you dance to On 2), then other sections which are Salsa (On 1), Cha Cha (On 2) or Rumba (the african dance NOT the ballroom Rhumba) etc. Each phrase you dance with the appropriate beat. i.e. Mostly On 1, but sometimes On 2 or On 3 where required or rather how the music makes the leader feel and dance.

    So the quick answer is yes to On 2, but also On 1, also On 3, it depends on the music and the how the dancer interprets it.

    One thing though, when Cubans talk of dancing On 2 they're talking 234 678 (contra-tiempo), which is different to Mambo timings like Eddie Torres.
  18. azzey

    azzey Member

    Same for Copenhagen. Most of europe predominantly Cuban-centric, except for some cities e.g. Milan where LA style is predominant, but they still do Cuban as well.
  19. squirrel

    squirrel New Member

    Well... he didn't really dance Cuban... but some sort of CBL style... on slots... yet the signal was late, on 3 and 7... :)
  20. azzey

    azzey Member

    The difficult bit in distinguishing what people dance is that they say they dance one style, X and until you actually see them dance (or rather feel them dance) it you can't tell if they actually dance that style or just their idea or what they've been told/shown is that style.

    Classic example is when someone says "Casino Rueda". Now if it was a Cuban dancer he would probably say he dances "Casino" or "Salsa", which are the dance and sometimes he does "Rueda" which is dancing in a wheel. Schools/people in Miami tend to use the words synonymously to mean their style. i.e. Casino Rueda = Miami style dancing. Confusing huh? .

    Miami style to me looks much like a fusion of Cuban and NY style. i.e. doing Cuban turn patterns with NY footwork. e.g. spins for the girl instead of stepping the turn.

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