Tango Argentino > Flav & Vincent on Strictly - Stunning Milonga

Discussion in 'Tango Argentino' started by Heather2007, Nov 24, 2008.

  1. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    Ummm... actually, the bit I saw wasn't quite as bad. Still pretty bad though.

    I admit I thought "Len's AT masterclass" was going to be awful. However, and amazingly, he managed somehow to lead Claudia into something that looked OK. Well, by her standards.

    And I'm less annoyed by Len calling a gancho a gaucho, than by Ian calling a sacada a gancho. :rolleyes:
  2. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    Yes - but it's not clear if they were walking through the steps or if they were practicing.

    And Camilla still needs to close her legs - she did a cross and her feet were about 20 miles apart at a rough estimate.
  3. Heather2007

    Heather2007 New Member

    It has nothing to do with arrogance. It's a bit like tapping Michelangelo on the shoulder mid-paint and saying, "oy mate, do you think you can help me fit my kitchen". Whaaattt, when you have so many Polish living among you who can do the job. Okay, so down he hops from his Homebase ladder, snatches the tool that you're offering from out of your hand and stomps out to your place next door. (Like, right now he's wasting a whole heap of what he has dedicated his life too). He'll do the job, but only expect it to be good to the raw eye. And nothing else. Want perfection, get an degree-educated interior designer. You see, the holders of these naked eyes are the TV viewers, the majority of which I suspect are non-AT dancers. Like, me, who knows nothing about the Foxtrot, Quickstep etc. I can only sit back and be seduced by the Hollywoodness of it all. And listening ignorantly when the judges start demonstrating with their hands how the heels should be placed. I don't care. I was entertained by the ballroom dancing. And that's what counts.
  4. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    Sorry, that's just plain wrong.

    For all these pro dancers, SCD is both their only remaining competition, and their main source of income.

    So you'd think that they'd take a couple of lessons in AT and salsa, because those are the dances they may have to do.

    No-one's asking them to learn cross-country running, just to learn the partner dances that are a key part of the curriculum for their jobs. It's completely reasonable for them to take a few privates or to

    Everyone's whingeing about Vincent having an advantage - well, guess what? He and Flavia didn't know how to do AT until a few years ago either - and they did this thing, it's called "learning". Nothing, nothing at all, has stopped any of the other pros from learning salsa and AT in their spare time - apart from either invincible arrogance or laziness.


    Anyway on a lighter note:
    Sounds like a drinking game to me... :D
  5. Heather2007

    Heather2007 New Member

    Huns, they only have a few days in which to learn this dance (along with another dance principle) and yes, Camilla has experience as does Vincent (heaps) in AT, their partners, however, do not. And still, still, still...we've only watched their training time. Let's see what is delivered on the night in 90 seconds (As opposed to what I have seen/experienced in 9 minutes after many years...;) ha, ha, ha) Flav and V actually do very little (social) AT in their "performances", much of what they do is ballet and modern jazz based, sprinkled with barridas, ganchos, ochos and heaps of tango face.
  6. Captain Jep

    Captain Jep New Member

    Yes - buzzword bingo! Can I add "dance of passion" to the list? :raisebro:

    Heather, I liked your prolonged riff but Im going to have to go with Dave. Most of the guys and girls are on "rolling" contracts so they should put up and shut up.

    I have to confess I've been naughty and logged onto the SCD website. Told them that "gaucho" should in fact be "gancho". Lets see if it makes a difference!! Perhaps we should have double points if they get it wrong again? (sorry this was before I logged on here :) )
  7. Heather2007

    Heather2007 New Member

    Yes, yes, yes..forgot that one:raisebro:

    And like I said in my response to DB. We've only thus far caught clips of their training, walking it through exercises. Let's see how the cake is delivered on the night. And remember, this isn't the World Tango Championships about to take place on Saturday. It's merely an AT segment of the show danced by amateurs, watched by millions of amateurs and judged by four amateurs. So some seriously slack cutting will be needed here. I await our 3-way dissecting :) (and remember, its a double-dose on Saturday, so I presume no Sunday slot).

    And yes, Len's Masterclass was surprisingly good. And Claudia did good, despite my laughter.
  8. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    Sure, but they have at least 6 months from Jan - July. That's when they could do some classes.

    I suppose Brendan's too busy in that time going on I'm A Celebrity Love Rat Island Get Him Out Of There or whatever though...
  9. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    Nah, you don't want the Beeb's site, you should be on Digital Spy, that's where the real fun forum is :D

    I was quite impressed - Len actually looked like he knew how to lead AT, his hold looked good. He even managed to make Claudia look good.
  10. Heather2007

    Heather2007 New Member

    The Celebrities on the other hand, do not. They have merely...a week.
  11. Captain Jep

    Captain Jep New Member

    Wahoo! Just had a look and am divin' right in. Dave, are you in there under the same ID?

    See you kids Saturday (if I surface by then)

    PS Can we agree to disagree that they are all lazy arrogant twits then? :)
  12. Heather2007

    Heather2007 New Member

    See you on Sunday (I'm off to a swishy birthday bash so will watch it on the BBCi come the Sunday morn)

    "Arrogant twats"? Ha, ha, ha. Are finally on the same page or are you still referring to Strictly whilst, now, my mind is cast over many of those seen at a London milongs. Hee, hee.

    p.s. My one glorious memory of this summer. A wonderful warm weekend with my sister in Canterbury. Didn't know it was situated inside a wall. Reminded me of a small Jerusalem and an even smaller Medina in Marrakesh. :nope:
  13. Captain Jep

    Captain Jep New Member

    I'm back from Digital Spy. Seems to be full of teenagers (read 40 something Mums) going "Gosh I love Tom, he's really tasty.. "

    Maybe Dave needs to tell me where the good stuff is (the proverbial whisky under the sink)

    I havent been in London recently cos of money and my own past bitter memories. I think I had a good dance once at the Bedford, but it's so long ago now I cant be sure (a distant ghostly memory). So yes I could be on the same page. Though hope (and innocence) spring eternal.

    Canterbury to my mind is one of the loveliest cities in the UK. In the evening with the crooked little streets, lamplight and a smell of woodsmoke. Im glad you enjoyed yourself. Flattered to have it compared to those other places too (sadly been to neither) :(

    PS Forgot , I did have fun at Regents Park, but that's partly because you can eat and drink at the same time :)
  14. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    DavidJames. It's a long story.

    Have fun - I recommend the "This Is Most Definitely Not An Appreciation Thread", and I definitely don't recommend the "appreciation" threads.
  15. Captain Jep

    Captain Jep New Member

    Thanks will check it out.

    Forgot am also out on Sat (though with dance friends - am sure we will be watching SCD!) Will comment Sunday.
  16. Me

    Me New Member

    And for those who missed it... here is Len's "lesson!" :rolleyes:

  17. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    To be fair, Claudia is seemingly congenitally-incapable of moving her feet under direction, and Len's a ballroom specialist.

    Given those admittedly-large caveats, and given that there's always some rubbish on about the flavour of the dance, it's actually better than I thought.

    If you turn the sound down, and look at what he's trying to lead, it's really not that bad. If you look at when he gets into hold then does a couple of walks (around 3:20), it looks OK.

    I was all ready to throw something at the telly, but I was pleasantly surprised.

    Plus, I found out that (Ballroom?) Tango used to be classed as a Latin dance, and that Jive used to be a Ballroom dance, which was news to me.
  18. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

    Please correct me, but I think there was an initiative some years ago to get Jive back into the standard ballroom section, with failed then.
  19. Me

    Me New Member

    Re: Len's Lesson

    My eye-roll was in regard to the blatant lack of content and preparation for the commentary. They had canned clips. Would it have killed Len (or an assistant) to have a little sit down with Flavia to pick up a few key points? Instead Len chooses to use lots of "Oooh, look at that," talk about saucy movements, eye-to-eye, etc. Gaucho and little flicky things? Honestly. That was bad. There is no excuse for this. :rolleyes:

    But yes, it could have been much worse. :)

    I am very happy there was no talk of sweaty cowboys and prostitutes!
  20. Captain Jep

    Captain Jep New Member

    :) In an earlier segment of the show, F&V were showing off the sandwich, leg rubbing etc. Claudia could hardly contain herself with glee. I think she said "Oooohh - It's one of my favourite dances". Obviously only to watch... :rolleyes:

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