Salsa > "I keep on falling": turning on the CBL!

Discussion in 'Salsa' started by Twilight_Elena, Feb 9, 2005.

  1. azzey

    azzey Member

    Yes, there is a different feeling when dancing each style. NY, LA, Cuban. There are lots of small differences which add up to a big difference. It's mostly about listening and expressing the music differently in each style. Although there are also a lot of technical differences.

    It's not really possible to describe the feeling of each style as people usually say the same things. e.g. "I feel the music more when I dance X style on Y beat". The the only real way to understand is to learn to dance in each style with instructors/dancers who only do that style. Even going to a club where they specialise might give you an idea.

    Alternatively you could get an idea by watching professional dancers who dance that specific style really well. Buy a congress DVD or if you can't afford that there are lots of video clips of social dancing free on the internet.

    However, there are lots of articles for the specialist styles which give you an idea of how the dancers think. Which affects their style.

    LA style. http://www.salsaweb.com See the articles section.
    NY style. http://www.salsanewyork.com/ourdancemusic.htm
    Cuban style. http://www.salsaroots.com/articles.htm This is a place to start.
     
  2. Twilight_Elena

    Twilight_Elena Well-Known Member

    Watched a couple. Hmm. LA is sort of... flashy, isn't it?

    Twilight Elena
     
  3. azzey

    azzey Member

    Yes, influenced by West coast mentality. Although it's not all about tricks and dips like some people think.

    NY style is cool like Newyorkers with lots of footwork (shines) influenced by Puerto Rican style from which it comes.

    LA style is based on NY style with other bits of dances added and has only been around since early 1990's.

    Cuban and Puerto Rican styles are the oldest and are the basis from which all others were developed. Musicians and dancers from the two islands collaborated and influenced each other, but are now widely different styles. Similar but different.
     
  4. Twilight_Elena

    Twilight_Elena Well-Known Member

    Wound't it be better for abeginner to learn the oldest ones first, since they seem to be more solid and stable?

    Twilight Elena
     
  5. Pebbles

    Pebbles New Member

    I'm hoping that salsa will never be stable. It is always changing and evolving. If one day salsa is reduced to a set of instructions printed on dead trees, and everyone dances like they came out of a clone factory, I think the dance will be in trouble. In the mean time, pick whichever styles you like most, make them your own, and dance like no one's watching :)
     
  6. azzey

    azzey Member

    Good advice! Twilight - In Cuba the dance is always evolving. Once a dance stops evolving it dies. In fact Cuba was a breeding house for many of the dances you now see today, like Cha cha, Rhumba (the ballroom one) and many of the South american Salsa's like Columbian. Each country adds a little bit of their own native dance into the mix to make a new flavour. The basics of Salsa are still the same in each country though. So join us and make your own 'twilight' mini style. This is part of what makes dancing with different people so interesting, you never know quite what they're gunna do. :)
     
  7. azzey

    azzey Member

    For a beginner it would be better for them to learn whichever they like and is most available to them. Since the only way to get good at Salsa is to dance a *lot* AND get good instruction, the one with the most number of good dance partners is the one you should choose first. It takes a couple of years to get good even dancing only one style of Salsa, then you can branch out and learn other styles more in depth later on.
     
  8. Twilight_Elena

    Twilight_Elena Well-Known Member

    Setenta w/turn update: I think the trick in it is that teh lead has very, and I mean VERY soft hand technique. Leading too strong is bad in this particular field.
    Also, interesting tidbit of info. We're doing colombian style. Didn't know that! apparently, there's a small tap between the counts: 1-2-3-tap 5-6-7-tap. Any comments on that?

    Twilight Elena
     
  9. vey

    vey New Member

    Havn't heard about colombian style salsa, but "taps" on the 4th and 8th count are often used for instructional purposes, so beginners would get used to staying on beat, it can be also used as occasional styling...
     
  10. Sagitta

    Sagitta Well-Known Member

    Talking of rueda or salsa? I actually prefer setenta moderno/complicado...one of those...to setenta.

    I have seen many people do a tap on the 4th and 8th beats as a regular dancing style. I am not sure what style it is...and they can dance just as well without those taps.
     
  11. Twilight_Elena

    Twilight_Elena Well-Known Member

    Talking of salsa. What's the difference between setenta moderno/complicado and normal setenta?
    Yes, it's just the same without the taps, it's just a styling thing.

    Twilight Elena
     
  12. azzey

    azzey Member

    Colombian style is a simplified form of Cuban style. Unless your teacher is from Cali, Colombia - where they do a more showy version.

    In most of Colombia they don't even do *any* turns. Just dance closely together (cheek to cheek) or do lots of body movement. That's what I mean by simplified. Not to disrespect the style.

    Most western teachers who have done Colombian style then move on to learn and teach Cuban as it has the same basic steps, but more rich turn patterns.

    There's a series of Colombian salsa videos which you can get from Amazon.com. The lady who is the teacher is recognised as an authority on the style, but I forget her name. You won't miss her anyway, as she's the only one with Colombian videos out.
     
  13. azzey

    azzey Member

    Moderno is a 'modern' setenta and Complicado is any 'complicated' version of Setenta. I kid you not! Any move can be interpreted and made more complicated (i.e. 'Complicado') by the dancer, it doesn't have to be a fixed move. That's why enchufe complicado can have 10 different versions all correct in different regions of the country. That's the Cuban way of doing things. The name of the move is more a metaphor for how it should look/feel/be expressed.

    Moderno is usually done by turning the girl behind and to the left of you, while Complicado is usually done by turning the girl behind and to the right of you at the end of the setenta.

    You're lucky, I'm feeling in a helpful kind of mood today.
     
  14. Twilight_Elena

    Twilight_Elena Well-Known Member

    Sounds like his style - in bachata lessons he is all for doing nothing but the basic back, forth, sides and small circles. No turns, no fancy steps. Just that. Which is, IMO, good for bringing up the feeling of the dance.
    And azzey, sorry for all the questions. I'm a pain, I know.

    Twilight Elena
     
  15. azzey

    azzey Member

    No problemo. What's the point of knowledge if not to share it?
    :)
     

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