Wow! Several persons here on the DF will remember when I was severely beaten up...on 2 threads...for saying this same thing many months ago. Further that...How can someone effectively lead if they have no concept of how to follow the follower's response. As in life. I just told someone yesterday that man (mankind) hasn't learned a thing in 2K years. The smarter we become...the dumber we seem to be. Forgive the mini-hijack...just a side thought.