Tango Argentino > Media Luna (Half Moon)

Discussion in 'Tango Argentino' started by Clive, Sep 3, 2010.

  1. AndaBien

    AndaBien Well-Known Member

    I've never heard it used in relation to AT, but it was a standard step taught for Ragtime Tango. It's anyone's guess where the term came from then.
  2. dchester

    dchester Moderator Staff Member

    When I've heard the term in Buenos Aires, we were talking about food. They are quite tasty, BTW.

  3. Zoopsia59

    Zoopsia59 Well-Known Member

    Me either.
    (me neither?)
  4. Peaches

    Peaches Well-Known Member

    Really? I've heard it plenty of times.
  5. ant

    ant Member

    I presume you are a leader and therefore asking from that point of view. IMO at the time you lead a Medina Luna (I am assuming here it can mean any three consecutive steps, with any starting step, of the giro), those three steps will be led differently depending on whether it is a forward, back or side step to begin with (as with a giro). The three steps themselves will be lead in a similar way to a giro except that you will need to put more intention into leading the third step (which I think is a different lead to a giro even if it is the same step) so that you can then lead the follower out of what will be an expected pattern.

    Incidently, when I first started learning AT, I can recall only two classes where the term Medina Luna was used by the teacher to descibe what they were actually teaching.
  6. spectator

    spectator Member

    it's all arbitrary words. just bollocks. that's the problem we have on many of these threads. pedants getting their knickers in a twist over jargon. we might as well bring bck the fruit loop. i'm sure he'd have lot to say about syllabi.
  7. spectator

    spectator Member

    oh yeah, is "clive" actually going to any lessons or is he just teaching himself from videos? i just can't be bothered to read the thread to find out flicking through there seems to be a lot of tedious nit picking.

    Zoopsia i was remembering the story of how the cottage cheese was corrupted by Omar Floyyo when he used his left foot at an angle of 43 degrees rather than the accepted 36.89 degrees and added a further step to the left as a result of losing his balance. whenever i see those naif fools doing Floyyo's ricotta thinking it to be a true cottage cheese i'm never sure whether to correct them, or accept that the beauty of the cottage cheese (so often called Kottoj ches by those mistakenly doing the ricotta) is lost to all but those left of the diaspora still surviving in a bolivian cave.
  8. Zoopsia59

    Zoopsia59 Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure what you are trying to say, all I know is that I'm hungry now.

    Perhaps DC is right and the tango words really just describe food.
  9. spectator

    spectator Member

    for those not in the know, a media luna is a croissant.
  10. Clive

    Clive New Member

    Well, a croissant is formed in a crescent shape (which is why it is so named), and the Media Luna has the follower make the same shape on the floor around the leader, so the name is perfectly apt.

    Hey - I've made a friend: Hi, spectator.
  11. spectator

    spectator Member

    chris is that you?
  12. Steve Pastor

    Steve Pastor Moderator Staff Member

    Jo Biam (darn can't remember her name or the title of the book, whcih I had from the library for quite some time, but that was montsh ago) is a musician. She gives very detailed information about some little discussed ascpets of tango. Being a musician helps with many things. (Like for instance, how alike or unlike was rockabilly from rhythm and blues, western swing, etc?)
    And yes, she shows a few measures of Andalusian tango, and compares the with Argentine "tango" at a similar moment in time.
    Now, if only I can remember the name of the book...

    Baim, Jo. TitleTango : creation of a cultural icon / Jo Baim.Publication info.Bloomington : Indiana University Press, c2007.

    oooff. been a long day.
  13. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    Re: IDTA syllabus for AT:
    I don't get it - the IDTA doesn't have teaching examinations in AT:

    See? No mention of AT...

    So how can they be publishing a syllabus for it?
  14. JohnEm

    JohnEm Well-Known Member

    Well they can publish what they like, it's just missing from their home webpage.

    Leaving aside the whole subject of the red tape and the commercialism
    of medals for dancers and diplomas for teaching, the syllabus could be here:

    And AT is definitely here:
    described as:
    Commissioned as a technique for IDTA's Argentine Tango Teaching Diploma
    and suitable syllabus figures for IDTA Bronze, Silver and Gold Medal Examinations.

    So is the secretive Clive (see the exchange about his location) really an
    IDTA teacher "qualified" in other dances? And perhaps now trying to grasp
    whatever pastiche the IDTA have made of it.
  15. ant

    ant Member

    DB there is

    Here is the list of dance styles

    The description given for AT is a bit confusing with the reference to Ballroom Tango, I am assuming that because Ballroom Tango is listed in its own right they are considered to be two different dances by the IDTA.

  16. Clive

    Clive New Member

    I'm bowing out of this forum. There is a minority (I hope it's a minority) of Tango dancers who are so up themselves, that they perhaps don't realise, or (more likely, just don't care) how rude they are being towards complete strangers.

    No one has asked me where I'm from: I'm not being secretive. Someone made an assumption that because I mentioned a dance organisation called 'INTERNATIONAL Dance Teachers Association', that meant I had given away my location. Given that they have offices in Brighton, that presumably means, using the same flawed logic, that there is a probability that JohnEm (who comes from 'UK South Coast') is actually the qualified IDTA teacher from Brighton, sniffing round 'real' dancers, hoping to pick up tips.

    If you saw the book & DVD (both of which I have on my shelves, along with a whole load of other learning resources), you would very probably conclude that their take on the dance is in the character of pastiche. Is that my fault? I asked a simple question about the Media Luna, that's all.

    I can assure the curious that the IDTA (like several other teaching societies) has an AT Teaching Diploma and accompanying syllabus. The technique booklet (book is too grand a title) is illustrated in the above link, as is the new 2010 Professional & Amateur Dance Syllabus, which incorporates it for the first time. I don't have one, but saw a copy in the hands of my own teacher earlier this week, and we were comparing whether the syllabus (first published in 2009 - I have the first edition) had been amended in any way for the 2010 version. (It hasn't).

    Would it matter (it seems to be bothering JohnEm) whether or not I am a dance teacher 'qualified' in other dances? Would it be any different if I was a dance teacher who was not 'qualified' (like most AT teachers)? Might I just be an amateur dancer who has trained with IDTA teachers, and have shelf full of medals and shields in all sorts of styles, with a date in my diary for a forthcoming AT 'Silver Medal' (must be Silver, because the Media Luna isn't in Bronze, so must have done that already....).

    Is it any of your business: particularly as no one asked?

    What I have said of myself was that:
    and it really is quite likely that I'm telling the truth. I'm not a complete beginner - I've been dancing for 25 years+, but AT for less than a year. I attend regualar AT classes with more than one teacher (none with any connection with the IDTA to the best of my knowledge), and I have several books, and a handful of DVDs (the other being the well known ones by the London teacher 'Federico'), and have watched lots of YouTube stuff (just like everyone else). I even go to weekend workshops with visiting teachers who have Buenos Aries stamps in their passports. So what?

    Why are you having a go at me: what did I do?
  17. JohnEm

    JohnEm Well-Known Member

    Wow, that question touched a raw nerve!

    That's nothing, you should have read how rude some were to me!

    As you say it's International so it's no more likely just because I live somewhere
    along the South Coast. And I asked a question which never said anything about
    probabilities! Pot, kettle and black come to mind here.

    "Sniffing around real dancers" - LoL!!!! As for IDTA or any other form of TA,
    not likely, ever. And I don't intend to mix up pleasure with business so will not
    be teaching classes either.

    Never said it was your fault. Touchy aren't you?

    It isn't about medals and diplomas and all that paraphernalia.
    Does what you do bother me? Absolutely not. Do you think it should?

    ???? Something of an oxymoron.

    Oh I do hate it when someone starts talking about telling the truth!
    Why am I left with the impression that it's not what you say but what you don't?
    It's best if I leave it there . . .
  18. dchester

    dchester Moderator Staff Member

    I think there's some truth in what you said, although I've found that it seems to apply to most internet forums (and not just this one). You have to be a bit thick skinned to post on internet forums, along with figuring out who to reply to and who to simply ignore. This forum is one of the tamer ones though.

    Another observation I made a while back is that some tango people get rather weird when discussing things like teaching organizations that do anything other than tango, or for that matter, what "real" tango is. There are lots of different opinions on this stuff, and a lot of people have very strong opinions (to the point of being rude and/or fanatical about them).

    My last thought is that there are an awful lot of opinions and preferences that get passed off as rules (and this applies to tango teachers as well as the forums).
  19. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    There's a description of the dance, there's no description of any teaching qualifications / examinations in the dance. But, they sell a syllabus.

    So how can you offer a syllabus, without having anyone who's "qualified" to actually teach it? I mean, presumably you'd need to train the teachers before those teachers can, well, teach students?

    Or am I missing something? :confused:
  20. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    Pah, you should see some of the forums I hang out in - this one's full of *****cats in comparison. Also, if you want some real vitriol, hang around Tango-L...

    Where are you from? :D

    Fair enough - is it simply an omission on their website then?

    I'm genuinely interested in seeing if there are any decent teacher-training courses available for AT. So far, I've not found any - at least not locally - that I can respect. :(

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