Tango Argentino > Videos > New Melina & Detlef vids uploaded

Discussion in 'Videos' started by opendoor, Oct 26, 2010.

  1. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

  2. ant

    ant Member

  3. JohnEm

    JohnEm Well-Known Member

    Ant, they've circulated a post of dates recently and commented they are
    on their own website, as quoted here:

    In case this does not work, you can also watch two of them on our site:
  4. ant

    ant Member

    Thanks for information, it has been helpful.

    I have now looked on their website as you suggested


    and can see only two of the three performances have been posted. I know all three were videoed as I stood next to the guy that did the filming. (I thnk it was Andreas Witcher doing the filming but I can be wrong) and I notice on D+M's schedule for 2011 they are doing a Devonian weekender so I guess that will be in collaboration with Andreas Witcher. Attending those workshops will be study in the detail of Salon Tango thats for sure.
  5. JohnEm

    JohnEm Well-Known Member

    I stayed away from Eton on Saturday evening on the grounds
    Baldwin Hall would be packed. Lovely hall though it is, it isn't
    the easiest for navigation when busy. Sunday evening was ok.

    I'll know more about D&M after next month.
  6. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member


    The link to D&M´s site tangodesalon.de

  7. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    Well I was in Cambridge, and it wasnt anything like as crowded as previous all nighters; some nice dancers; D&M are a bit OCD for my taste...
  8. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive–compulsive_disorder ?

    f.i. steps in double tempo?
  9. JohnEm

    JohnEm Well-Known Member

    HaHa - assuming you mean obsessive about details and compulsive in their teaching?
    Is that a Disorder? They seem very, very Ordered to me.

    Perhaps too ordered and contrived? It's only observation though based on
    video and seen personally at milongas. Perhaps the Disorder part comes
    from being left with an odd feeling of unnaturalness when watching them!

    Don't get me wrong here though. Their concentration on salon/apilado
    is very welcome. And people who constantly teach, constantly looking
    for ways to get their constructive message across, must find it very difficult
    to abandon all that and dance naturally. Indeed I suspect that with their popularity
    they must always feel to be on show to a certain extent.
  10. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    its all very Germanic unt precieisz:
    Vorsprung durch Technik

    I have no problems with what they teach; their dancing leaves me looking for a bucket, and his posture in this video is a bit arsy rather than valsy

  11. JohnEm

    JohnEm Well-Known Member

    Even I wouldn't go that far, and I'm a blunt northerner!

    However, that seems to date from 2004 and their style has changed
    since then. In fact, apart from the now absent bent legs, it seems more
    natural & flowy than how they dance currently which is somehow stiff.
    But no, it wasn't very vals-like and missed a connection with the music.
    That was then, this is now and both dancers and teachers change.

    Maybe indeed their dance now looks rather mechanical so I'll go along with this:
    but I've no idea if I would be any different if I was having to be so
    permanently aware of what I was doing in order to teach it.
    After all Melina has said in the interview just posted that she teaches
    more than dances. How would any of us be?

    In my heart, I’d say just Tanguera, but these days I just don’t get enough time.

    It's a good interview and quite revealing of the conflicts teachers suffer.
  12. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    unfortunately i couldnt watch the .mov s on my PC to see if their style has changed
    but maybe as you imply they're overly self conscious.

    i watched their Bramshaw performances; his posture looks better; but now she has the dreaded spider claw embrace and their musicality seems robotic.

    PS: maybe you've been too long in the South?
  13. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

    Re: D&M

    I browsed Detlef and Melina´s homepage (w ww.tangodesalon.de) to find some information about their teachers, and actually found nothing "eye-opening".

    One thing made me wonder, I like El Indio, his large steps, his elastic hold, his dynamic lead.. But tell me, why is El Indio listed at the first position of D&M´s influences. I cannot find anything in their dancing that resembles Indio´s style, except Detlef´s toe-first steps.

    compare on YT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvci7yTkbYI
  14. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    that is so much nicer..never seen El Indio before but it has all the qualities Detlef doesnt show.......

    say lavvy....
  15. JohnEm

    JohnEm Well-Known Member

    I love it!! We've gone now from the mechanical to the robotic!! :D

    Yes jantango (don't swear) has missed that one out from her recent blog
    postings of the different embraces by the woman.


    Melina's is a cross between the "Gripper" and the "Crow's Foot", it's weird
    to be following someone down the room with that embrace. All you see is
    this disembodied arm as if it had been thrown over a wall. Ugly, ugly and
    has a strange feel too. Perhaps we could call it "The Hanging Crow's Foot".

    And then there's "The Hinge" but I won't blame Melina for that one.

    You implying I've gone soft? Call it mellow . . . . oh ok, maybe not.
  16. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

    .. the nearer Halloween comes, the ... :p

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