Tango Argentino > Videos > Ochos, how you can make them better..!

Discussion in 'Videos' started by Chrisa Assis, Mar 11, 2017.

  1. Chrisa Assis

    Chrisa Assis Member

    Originally published for bautanz.com

    In the past, we had talked about how the false dichotomy of Heel or Toes first:
    when you are doing forward ochos, can become a barrier in your progress.
    We saw how practicing both, is the option that will give you more options on the dancefloor. And how instead of practicing more ochos it is actually better if you practice better ochos. Because better is better than more.

    Bent Knees Vs Straight Kness And Feet Together Vs Feet Apart
    2 of the most famous false dichotomies on Ochos

    Which of your teachers is right? The one telling you your feet should ve TOGETHER during the pivot or the one telling you, your feet should be APART? The saying: "ALWAYS, bend your knees" or the one asking you "to lift, to rise over your toes, stretch the knee and pivot".

    Why do you really have to choose?
    Why don't you just do try both?
    And in fact for me, if you want to make your ochos BETTER, you HAVE TO practice BOTH!

    Being able to pivot with your feet together will help you make faster, more accurate pivots, even in an open embrace.
    On the other hand, your sacadas will be amazing if you manage to, at least start, a pivot without bringing your heels together.
    While doing a gyro, in a tight close embrace, you won't get the feeling of running out of space, if you can pivot without bending your knees. But also, a fast gyro in an open embrace, can become so much easier if you just bend your knees a little bit.

    See? And those are just a few basic examples, of how your choices affect the options you have on the dancefloor... and I haven't even gotten to the embellishments..!

    More and Better Ochos
    In the video below, you will see all the basic types of forward ochos, along with the different embellishments that might derive from them.

    Make your practice, a medium for you to become more aware of your movement, more knowledgeable on how your body and mind communicate to create movement. Get the opportunity to, not only expand your choices on the dancefloor, but also to reach a new level on knowing.

    Back Ochos-- 3 Different ways to do them
    I am reaching 10 years in Tango. WoW! That is a bit of a shock!

    Within those 10 years, I have followed different schools, different techniques and styles.
    Every time I immersed myself to a different style, I heard those same words:
    "This is the real, the true Tango!" or "No, this is not the way you do your ochos...THIS is the way to do your ochos"
    And so on and so forth...

    For years I was getting frustrated trying to figure out which is the right way to do my ochos. Every time I felt I had to start over, redefine my technique and change the way I dance completely.

    Until, I realized that many of these options were correct.
    There is not ONE TRUE Tango.
    Tango is ONE but our options during our dance, are many more!

    There is NOT 1 way to do back ochos...Explore your options!
    This is the mentality I try to share with my students and with all of you who read and follow this blog.
    Instead of getting frustrated, going from teacher to teacher and not getting the results you want. Here we try to reveal the common base between the different styles and techniques.
    BauTanz is about creating options and possibilities. Breaking down the boundaries, bringing the science and art back into the dance. Hoping to inspire you to keep looking for new ways of movement, new ways of expression. Keeping your dance fresh and your practice fun and interesting.

    So with no further a do..!

    Here you have it guys a video on the 3 different ways to do your back ochos:

    • Starting & Directing the movement from the standing leg
    • Initiating & Directing the movement from the free leg
    • Starting & Directing the movement from the upper body
    Try these out, and I will be back with more. Leave a comment below with your thoughts and questions. And if you want more detailed tips on technique, styling, embellishing and much more, join the growing community of Bautanz-- Constructing Dance.

  2. newbie

    newbie Well-Known Member

    Doesn't this belong to the Dance Ads part of the forum?
    Now, having actually watched the video, what I like is:
    - Nice fireplace.
    - Nice control of the moves, doing pivots without a partner and in such slow motion is certainly not easy.
    And that's it.
    The differences between the three variations are not made crystal-clear. The point is missed. Worse, in any of the variations it never looks like a back ocho, by lack of torsion.
    Watch the lady of howcast

    No variations shown, few explanations given. But oh boy, she can certainly do ochos.
  3. koinzell

    koinzell Active Member

    Watch this video from 23-27 minutes:

    It should give you some insight on how style and technique are different things and an idea of the teaching journey/developing your pedagogy. I think it would have been better to explain the fundamental technique of all ochos then show how they can be styled differently (i.e. variations). Also very important that your knees can be clearly seen in future videos!

  4. Chrisa Assis

    Chrisa Assis Member

    Thank you for your feedback and sharing the link.
    I am coming from though in to share some other dancer have while doing ochos.
    Not that the way they learned the ocho is wrong but by exploring different ways of creating the step and/or the pivot creates a different feeling, a different form and different opportunities for their dance. It is more a video to inspire people to explore their movements and they body's capabilities compared to a video on technique.
    I would though like to put a video on how to do an ocho in terms of technique and what you shared and your comments will certainly be helpful in putting it together! ;)

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