true dat. Some instructors I know who casually teach some salsa every now and then make me so annoyed that I can't bear to watch them teach a student. There's little intensity, passion, and they dance it as if they just don't care. That's why even though I know a bit of ECS I refuse to teach it to students who request it-- I flat out tell them I don't like it, and they would be getting cheated by having me teach it. no worries on 'dabblers' africana-- use it freely, i can collect no royalties. :wink: however, i must answer no for your question, "is it possible to dabble while appreciating how much work and skill something takes?" Sure, you can have some understanding and respect of it, but at higher levels the hard work is made to look easy, so IMO, you can't fully appreciate a certain level of any accomplishment if you have never been at that level. case in point: how many salsa dancers go through an intro level group class for a few weeks, and come out thinking that they're badasses, even when they see other better salsa dancers? why? they aren't able to recognize finer points of the dancing that make it look smooth, or sharp, or whatever, because they haven't been introduced to those concepts yet. it's like trying to examine an object at a cell/molecular level while only being equipped with a magnifying glass... you can see higher details, but to get to the next level of appreciation/examination, you really need a microscope.