Vibrance, very well said. I gave up on posting on this thread along time ago, because most of the guys just didn't "get it". They always responded that their way was a successful way to "pick up" women which they believe is what it's all about. I didn't read much that indicated they wanted to develop some kind of mutually respectful friendship or relationship. PS I thought your comments on the "facial expressions" thread were right on, clever, and very funny! Sorry Josh, I have to disagree with you here. Although no one may have said "treat 'em mean", few gave any indication that they were trying to "take care" of these ladies. The talk was about how you successfully "pick up" women. In most posts from guys there was nothing about treating them with respect or anything other than treating a woman as something to acquire. I haven't seen these kinds of comments from you. But, you are apparently interpreting what many of these guys are saying much differently than I am. Please don't take my comments as criticism of you. The only reason I responded to you here, rather than the ones who I think are the main offenders, is that you seem to be a very reasonable person. The other guys just don't grasp the concept that their way of thinking may be offensive to women.